Rare case of a superstar who more often than not gets single coverage because of the team he's on. That doesn't make him an MVP, just a great player who wanted the easiest of rides. Not my thing but then I haven't played my whole life with 2-3 defenders hanging off me. Would be kinda cool if he hit something like 70TS% for the season from a historical POV.

Prius wrote:In a perfect world the MVP deserves to come out of the Warriors but the voters won't vote for a Warrior player for a 3rd straight year even if Curry or Durant is truly the MVP.

im not sure you actually understand the concept of the mvp

Black Jack wrote:This Durant fella is pretty great, gotta give it to him. So far he's putting up 27 pts, 8.2 rebs, 4.3 assts, 1.8 stls, shooting 57% FG, 40% 3pt, 84% ft for a 29.8 PER.

I'd say he looks like an MVP candidate to me! Really shutting up the nay-sayers.

Did you know who he was before he joined your team? He's putting up numbers he's been averaging for years.

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Black Jack wrote:This Durant fella is pretty great, gotta give it to him. So far he's putting up 27 pts, 8.2 rebs, 4.3 assts, 1.8 stls, shooting 57% FG, 40% 3pt, 84% ft for a 29.8 PER.

I'd say he looks like an MVP candidate to me! Really shutting up the nay-sayers.

Who were these nay-sayers? I don't think anyone ever questioned his talent. He's been widely considered a top 3 player for most of his career.

The guy has seen constant double teams his entire career and now he's surrounded by so much talent he often gets to be the wide open spot up shooter in the corner. He must be in heaven.

I'm sure the GSW fans are elated. I can't really add much to the other responses here that make clear that no one doubts KD's talent. Why he has become more than a little despised is about his lack of competitive integrity. His "if you can't beat them join them" attitude. It's as if Jordan had left the Bulls to join the Pistons when the Bulls were trying to break through. Why don't they just put all the superstars on one team and have them play the Washington Generals? Kevin wanted the easy way, and most sports fans don't care for that attitude. In this light, how about Kevin Durant?

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The_Hater wrote:

Black Jack wrote:This Durant fella is pretty great, gotta give it to him. So far he's putting up 27 pts, 8.2 rebs, 4.3 assts, 1.8 stls, shooting 57% FG, 40% 3pt, 84% ft for a 29.8 PER.

I'd say he looks like an MVP candidate to me! Really shutting up the nay-sayers.

Who were these nay-sayers? I don't think anyone ever questioned his talent. He's been widely considered a top 3 player for most of his career.

The guy has seen constant double teams his entire career and now he's surrounded by so much talent he often gets to be the wide open spot up shooter in the corner. He must be in heaven.

Right. That's why I respect the hell outta what Durant did this offseason, straight up. He needed to go for the throat like LeBron did in leaving Cleveland because you don't waste opportunities. Period. Ask West if all the valor and manliness make up for not closing the deal year after year. No. You go get that big fella, you get Chamberlain to play old man in the paint and bring a ring if you have to. Fighting fair is for losers, period. Ask Kareem if he regrets moving to LA when he had the chance to You go for those opportunties, Kobe or whoever go ahead and take shots, that's why Kobe was trying to whine his way to all kinds of trade scenarios for YEARS while Shaq was dragging him towards that promised land. Durant took those rhetorical arrows in the back and now gets to show what he can do as one of the great all time talents and class acts in this game, period.

All you naysayers can whine blah blah but go ahead and look it up when Steph Curry's trade value was in the dumps because of his stupid ankle issues I went to the OKC board under my last screen name Frank Mulely and floated Curry for Westbrook 1:1 swap, and got laughed at by the OKC elite fanbase braintrust because Curry wasn't worth the golden child aka 21st century Iverson Westbrook PLEASE NOTE I'm the ultimate Curry lover who was in conniptions when he fell to us and almost soiled my trowsers laughing when Phoenix thought Nellie was going to gift him to them for Amare with the bad wheel No, I did NOT float that trade to OKC because I really thought the next evolution of the point guard was worth parting with, it was just because I thought it was SO CRIMINAL to yoke a talent like Durant with a bull headed drive to the lane first PG instead of a patient freak shooter who knew how to unleash a multi-tool freak like Durant. Yes Myers + West + Kerr are going to ride this squad for everything it can do the next 10 years. Stop even mentioning Klay Thompson trades. we won't do that

I been saying for years now it was CRIMINAL not to put some shooters around Durant in OKC and let him work. Heck the irony is yall had that team but the owners didn't wanna pay what a few extra million? Take what OKC will pay overrated role players in the next few years and you coulda kept what SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT SQUAD together. Take the ball away from Westbrook and make him put in work on defense like he oughta, do the obvious (gee now we see how nice Harden is as a PG eh, big surprise) put it in Harden + KD's hands, add you guy's favorite physique from the motherland, and boom. Even LeBron wouldn't have been able to stop that squad. But noooo, you wanted to keep the overmatched coach, and got cute by letting Harden walk. Yeah I'm gonna throw salt in that OKC wound extra after all the reckless talk I seen on the boards this year about my man Kevin, who by the way was nothing but class in that situation. We all knew what was gonna happen after the Warriors couldn't close the deal against LeBron, that was Kevin's opening to back out of the situation with the point guard who didn't want to give up the rock and the suspect front office decisions. Deal.

ANYWAY, Listen up league: this is Kevin's time to shine. Repeckanize. In the 21st century old bald white guys like Phil don't make teams, PLAYERS MAKE TEAMS. LeBron. Curry. KD. These are the ones who are organizing pitch sessions, better have those talking points straight son, no stammering.. Its like when Nike came with the weak presentation to Curry. Sorry, theres options out here. Those dunks in traffic with all that spacing created by our shooters are just extra tasty to Durant right about now. Put some Oaktown BBQ sauce on it baby and wash it down with a few shots at the late night chicken and waffles joint, tab's on with short dogg Kevin will put his backpack on and take the BART home afterwards like all the Salesforce Joes. all in a day's work, blue collar bay area style.

Heres some 2016 season notes for you, listen up kids:

- Durant has a chip on his shoulder the size of the bay bridge. He's the horse we needed, everybody could see that we needed new blood after LeBron and Kyrie took it to the rack. Iggy+Bogut did their thing in 2015, they are Warrior royalty forever but they got old real quick when LeBron got mad. I just happen to think this is Durant's year, he needs this. After watching bull-headed Westbrook wave off the best scorer on the planet for another dud drive where the refs refused to bail him out at the end of hte game, I again really really really respect what Durant did in standing up and engineering what he needed which was SPACING so he didn't have defenses collasing on him 2, 3 defenders at a time. It's chess out there and GSW are the Bulls before the ring now. Kevin NEEDS a ring to shut all you haters up who've been talking supppppper reckless. Hey Danny guess what we not gonna gift you Klay ok? We got the A-grade braintrust. West is in the executive suites, you think we're giving this up? haha we now got the ultimate wooo woo silicon valley deep learning megascary death lineup of freaking FOUR FREAKS WHO CAN ALL DESTROY YOUR SQUADS Barring injury you think GSW isn't about to toss off about 2-3 rings? Come on, this is a gimme. We got Kevin hitting his MEGA prime. We got the greatest shooter of ALL TIME Curry who can now play off the ball, we got the sickest new-era swiss army knife head game player (hi celtics fanbase! ) who lowkey is the new greatest role player of ALL TIME, mr. "LeBron without the athleticism" DRAYMOND GREEN (who no other than LeBron called out as a great defender his rookie year) and we got the next evolution of the West Coast wingman, who WILL win an MVP one of these years, Klay Thompson. Throw Iggy out there, heck, sign a guy off waivers who can hit jumpers, and you have a lineup that ensures Don Nelson can get it up still even without viagra. Yes I been saving this post up for awhile now.

- Giannis is that next dude. The kids is an ANIMAL out there. It takes mega prime Durant putting in work on the back to back on the road to outclass him, but watch out. After LeBron starts slowing down, theres no question to me that Giannis is gonna start tossing off absurd years and take Milwaukee to the finals within 2,3 years max. Even Obama has to learn his name now. I think he's one of htose high flying assets Trump was stammering about in the press conf Seriously tho, I'm thinking if Cleveland stumbles a bit, Milwaukee should start challenging next year. I am glad I went to see him live last year, it's fun watching the evolution. He's gonna dominate for awhile, and I like the squad they have developing around him too. They need to try and bring Sanders back, clean him up and then imagine how crazy athletic that squad would be, come ON. I'm just glad that all our rivals in the West passed on him (hi Utah and Dallas haha).

- LeBron should take it easy so he doesn't fall off hard like Shaq did. Hes been taking GMs on his back two at a time. He brought a ring to Cleveland, which even as a dubs fan I really loved. Lets see if Kyrie and KLove can do something. To me, LeBron has nothing to prove, nada. He's got one more ring in him with Kyrie as his DWade but why this year? Let that Cleveland pride ride. To me if LeBron wants to take the next month off and chill on he beach somewhere fat he's earned it. Deal

His free throw shooting has been atrocious.

Prius wrote:In a perfect world the MVP deserves to come out of the Warriors but the voters won't vote for a Warrior player for a 3rd straight year even if Curry or Durant is truly the MVP.

no it doesn't. MVP implies player most valuable to a team, not the best player. No one player is most valuable to the warriors since if you took either Curry or Durant off the team they'd still be the best team in the nba.

anyway who cares about regular season mvp awards, its political. its all about winning rings end of day.

Harden will win mvp this year, that's my prediction. He's unleashed now and will show what he can do production wise.

og15 wrote:

Black Jack wrote:This Durant fella is pretty great, gotta give it to him. So far he's putting up 27 pts, 8.2 rebs, 4.3 assts, 1.8 stls, shooting 57% FG, 40% 3pt, 84% ft for a 29.8 PER.

I'd say he looks like an MVP candidate to me! Really shutting up the nay-sayers.

What exactly were the naysayers saying about a guy who put up 28/8/5 last season on 51/39/90 shooting that is being shut down by his current production?

Well to be fair, that naysayers as it pertained to the team itself pointed to the fact that production would dip drastically for KD/Curry/Klay and that the decrease in shot attempts would be the eventual breaking point/downfall of them as a cohesive unit. As we're seeing in the early going, those prognostications are looking to not hold much weight. These guys are getting their shots up still.

nbafan38 wrote:

Prius wrote:In a perfect world the MVP deserves to come out of the Warriors but the voters won't vote for a Warrior player for a 3rd straight year even if Curry or Durant is truly the MVP.

no it doesn't. MVP implies player most valuable to a team, not the best player. No one player is most valuable to the warriors since if you took either Curry or Durant off the team they'd still be the best team in the nba.

That is A) Not true as it pertains to the Warriors (they're certainly not as good as last years team if you replace KD with the next man up) and B) Not necessarily true as it pertains to MVP. The argument you're using was actually very similar to the main argument made against Curry last season, and he was unanimous...

Still, the road for either to win MVP is highly highly unlikely. One would have to go down for a prolonged period while the other went ballistic along with the Warriors.