Should jaywalking be legalized??

But when you jaywalk, then YOU decide when it's safe to cross. That's
how it should be.

How about you stick to the crosswalk but wait for a green light or an
opening in traffic?

Naah, that would make too much sense. In fact I ENCOURAGE you to
jaywalk at every possible opportunity. Given your demonstrated superior
judgement in practically all matters it is only a matter of (not much)
time before natural selection works its magic.

nate

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Yes. The sooner that the vile infidel, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are
MURDERERS," is sent to face judgement before Allah, the better.

Imam Widdershins

Ah, ah, ah, can't forget the arrogant miniature rice-burner
operators...or video-operating Corvette enthusiasts. :^D

Here's a recommendation...why don't YOU try the experiment. Hopefully
Hector will be behind the steering wheel at the time.

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides,
flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to
another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we
sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of
Allegiance?" -- Jay Leno

<Crazy Climber voice mode on>

Go for it!

<Crazy Climber voice mode off>

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"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's homosexuallity:
the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie.
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en

"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle:
I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash.
: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en

Lemee at 'em. :-D

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That's how it is where I live. If you walk out in front of a car and the
car's not speeding and the driver tried to stop, you are at fault, not
the driver.

Make you a deal, jackass. You don't walk in the street, and I won't drive on the
sidewalk.

Comprende ?

Then do it and enjoy theafter life. We wont miss you, but maybe a
little when bored.

I thought you were claiming they, the illegals, the SUV drivers, the
DUIers, the midgets with long fixtures affixed to their feet, the soccer
moms, were doing it on purpose. Now you say they just misjudged their
stopping distance. Isn't that reason to let them off?

--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."

+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"

Sometimes it's deliberate and sometimes it isn't. Doesn't matter. Their
reckless driving killed someone and they should do decades of time, but
they never do. Stop defending murderers, you coddler.

It's not an issue of inept drivers; it's an issue of inept civil
engineers. You know, just like how Mary Jo's death was the result of
the ineptitude of the people who built the bridge at Chappaquidick?

LMAO. You're so stupid.

Then let's see *you* put it into practice, SFB. And say, "hi," to Darwin
for me when he comes to colllect you.

--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS admits to being
a criminal coddler:

"I'm no speeder and i'm no kid-killer and i sure as
hell ain't no coddler. Next question."

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept. 19, 2007, 1220 hours

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So are you so stupid that you follow the CROSS light whether or not
someone is going to hit you?

But it was an accident.

What is "jaywalking"? Is it going from one street corner to another
*diagonally* or is it just crossing a street where there isn't a zebra
crossing painted on it? Because it could be safer, depending on
circumstances, if you distance yourself from an intersection since there
are fewer possible directions for cars to be coming at you.

Those lights - not just the "cross" light but the red-yellow-green
gizmos too - have become mere "suggestions". You pretty much NEVER
know when someone is gonna do something stupid at an intersection.
Truthfully, it IS better to jaywalk ... the middle of the block
is less congested and the traffic is definitely in motion rather
than theoretically suspended.

AJ's so hideously grotesque and so pathetically stupid, even Darwin
doesn't want it. =))

Shhh! Don't give it any hints!

Don't your traffic lights have a pedestrian phase that operates when someone
presses a button to select it ?

Graham

<< snip SFB's screed >>

Some do, but most don't.

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necromancer

Criminal Coddler. And Proud of it, Man!!

The Free Right turn is always on, however, so you can still get
flattened. The cross sign usually is illuminated as "go ahead, I dare
you" when the cars are free to go straight across or right.

How is that gonna stop some drunk from slamming into you while you cross
the street in the designated walkway?. Do you understand what this thread
is about?

The right-turn-on-red is in many ways a bad thing. It encourages drivers
to inch forward and block the walkway and then make a quick turn while
looking for cars without looking for the peds. As you say, red is now just
a suggestion to stop.

Eat shit, you criminal coddling psychopath.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gave much thought to this years ago when I was part of group looking
at health and safety in a very large city.

A driver at a simple cross street intetrsection must look in three
directions for cars and at a wider angle for walkers. It's a dangerous
place.
The walker has to look in several directions, also.

Were the walker to go down the block ten yards, he will be where the
driver is concerned with looking in only one direction and the crosser
in only two.

Thus, it's much safer to cross the street at this point, if there is
no traffic.

This is against the rules and the walker has to go trenty yards more
for each sreet he crosses.

It's safer, but he might get cited. Take your choice.

Ayup.

I have seen some areas where the planners are trying to be "pedestrian
friendly" installing mid-block crosswalks. These can work well, if
clearly marked so drivers see them in time (visible signage, or a yellow
cone set on the double yellow seems to be typical around here.) There
are some problems with this implementation however:

1) In at least one area (Ballston) they have *both* mid-block crosswalks
and typical crosswalks at the corners. WTF?

2) If pedestrians are sufficiently oblivious and/or aggressive, they can
snarl traffic badly. Instead of crossing in groups, if one starts
across, and then another starts just as the first is getting ready to
clear the lane, then another, then another, etc... motorists are
trapped, with no legal way to move.

nate

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How did you ever get the impression that I am suggesting that someone
walk out in front of an oncoming vehicle? I even ppint
out that the walker will be looking for oncoming traffic. RTFM!

Has anyone ever told you you are a crazy psychopath? I bet they must
of, that is how you know the meaning of the word!

Care to address the issue?

He's told he's a crazy psychopath all the time. Not being affected by
that, even as it comes from all quarters, is part of the disease.

Jaywalking is funny. Leno gets some real whackos on the telly
sometimes.

And how are your stupid laws supposed to do so?? OBTW, nice grammar up
there, you fucking idiot.

Do you even know what a thread is?

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of the concept of "</killfile>," and "<killfile>,"
and what a "thread," is:

"Now that takes nerve. You claim to killfile
me TWICE in the same thread and you expect
people to take you seriously???"

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Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? You are
still evading this issue.

Imam Widdershins

Alas, I don't think that the vile sinner, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are
MURDERERS," will ever do that. Allah will have a special sewer in the
deepest parts of hell for that infidel.

Imam Widdershins

But, it was an a

Very, very true words.

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend defends a known *DRUNK DRIVER*:

"Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night.
The real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question."
--Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR
HOMICIDE (a.k.a. S&DDAM)
June 20th, 2006
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SFB tells us that every time it posts....

SFB is certainly diseased... :)

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S&DDAM indicating that it runs red lights:

"You're making a left turn right behind some semi or fedex or ups truck
and you can't see the light but you follow the truck anyway while he
slowly makes the left and when the light is finally visible to you it's
red."

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 8/8/07
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Probably due to 2). That's the advantage to end-of-block crosswalks;
everybody gets a turn. With the mid-block one, whatever mode is using
the crosswalk (peds or vehicles) after a certain density just keeps
using it indefinitely until someone from the other group cuts someone off.

That he does. Shows what a bunch of imbeciles that many americans (sic)
really are.

--
"Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only God is the all mighty Dollar
He ain't no prophet, He ain't no healer
He's just a two bit, goddamn money stealer!"
--Suicidal Tendencies

American on the Street #1: "Gore got a piece prize. It's too bad it feel
apart."

American on the Street #2: "Who's gore, I hope he wasn't injured too
bad."

American on the Street #3: "I think if we record this, we could be on
TV."

A slight lightening of the wallet is definitely less
painful than spending six weeks in a body cast ...

Hmmm ... I wonder if jaywalking fines and those dangerous
"roundabout" intersections are both creations of the medical
industry ? Maybe we should add "alt.conspiracy" to this
thread :-)

There are other places than Tucson. Perhaps proper planning
wasn't done in that city. I could cite Boston and NYC as places where
all is not perfect with the end-of-block crossswalks.
Should we do away with them because of those two cities?

Roundabouts were likely invented by the French.

Actually, you are saying that, because there is a crossewalk in Tucson
that is like that, all others are like that.

Without having seen that particular crossing, I will agree with you
that may be the case at some times. Do you sate, as you imply,
that is the case every day, 24 hours a day, as a student of
Logic / Engish would say you imply?

Personally, I have crossed downtown major city street mid-block
hundreds of times without having to wait anywhere near the
time that a trip to the corner would take. Only occasionally
did I have to wait more than the time of a corner signal
change.
I do not recall ever delaying a car because of my action.
(This was probably illegal, but no one ever complained.)
You sitck witrh ypour ciyies - I'll stuck with mine!
(How come your're citing a city outside SoCal, anyhow?)

Rudy Giuliani tried, to much hollering until they disappeared.

Giuliani tried that in the theater district on 8th Ave. Did not have much
success, either.

Ah HA !!! NOW we know !

They're no doubt behind this sudden attraction cities
have developed for that sort of crash-prone intersection.
Revenge for calling them "wimps" I'll bet ! :-)

I don't see that you have pointed out a flaw a all.

Also, I wasn't talking about needing traffic lights.
On ninty percent of city sreets where the cross streets
are so distant, the traffic is so light that there would
be no need for them. Of course, some cities like San Diego,
were designed with small blocks (more higher-valued and
taxed corner stores) so a walk to the corner is nobig deal.

You seem to be viewing these streets as a major throughway,
whereas I'm talking about a typical city street, maybe thirty
feet wide. (Think four or five cars a minute, on average.
The gap between the cars allow for the safe crossing.
In every city where I have lived, the majority of city streets
have been like this. Admittedly, most of them have been
centurys old. I asked you where you lived, so that I might
name a few for you. As you didn't respond (Well, silence
may have been your response.) I couldn't name any.

Funny enough, I can remember seeing only one collision of a roundabout
either in old England or New England). That was in Birmingham. A nurse
allowed her front fender to actually get under the trailer of a 18-
wheeler stopped in traffic. As the cab was turned. The driver couldn't
see the problem and the nurse (I acted as a witness) didn't back up.
Minor crunch. (I wonder if her car had AT and she didn't have a/the
brake/s) on.)