Haiku-Wiki Cleanup

Haiku-Wiki is a holdover from when TV Tropes had a lot lower standards for what is acceptable on the wiki.

As such, countless Haiku pages are of very low quality, often used for stealth complaining, and in some cases don't even follow a Haiku's actual structure.

This is the place to discuss potentially bad entries.

Edited by Primis on May 12th 2020 at 7:28:18 AM

Just on a quick look...

• Haiku.TUFF Puppy has 4 entries, all but one of which are reviews.
• Haiku.Toddlers And Tiaras is as negative as I thought it would be.

Edited by Brainulator9 on May 12th 2020 at 4:12:25 AM

The My Immortal page...
Would you even be surprised?
Lots of bashy ones.

Yeah, I'm guilty of having written one of those haikus a couple of years ago. My reason at the time was to laugh at the fic's So Bad, It's Good nature rather than to seriously bash it, but looking back I was contributing to the problem and I apologise for that. I'm on board with cutting the page or at least giving it a serious cleanup.

Edited by ArgonianLorekeeper on May 12th 2020 at 9:26:55 AM

Haiku.Twilight is unsurprisingly very bashy.

Haiku.Spongebob Squarepants also has several entries that are just complaining about Seasonal Rot.

Edited by jandn2014 on May 12th 2020 at 4:28:59 AM

It's fine, it's more an issue with the My Immortal pages as a whole; I started a short-term cleanup project for it but it petered out. Basically a lot of the good-natured humor directed at the fic can get taken a bit too far and go down the bashing route, especially when it just seems to be accepted on the pages in the first place. I can understand why you contributed to it; I probably would've too.

But yes, cleanup is needed.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 12th 2020 at 4:26:09 AM

Are there any Haiku pages on real life people?

I see that Haiku.Mark Hamill exists. I can only assume there'd be more.

Granted, the Mark Hamill page seems pretty okay. If anything it's borderline gushing, but that's better than the alternative.

Haiku.Super Minecraft Kid should probably just be nuked.

@jandn2014:

• Twilight: At the very least, we should remove the entries that bash the author and/or mention Fan Haters.
• Spongebob Squarepants: I agree with removing the Seasonal Rot-related entries.
• Super Minecraft Kid: Yikes. I understand that it's referring to his rather liberal use of those words, but it looks very tacky without that context.

Edited by ArgonianLorekeeper on May 12th 2020 at 10:11:29 AM

Why do we even have a page on Super Minecraft Kid anyway?

The show was a creative work and parody; so it's tropeworthy.

So about removing haiku entries: Do we need to ask for permission from the tropers that wrote them, or can we just remove them if we want to?

It shouldn't require agreement from the creators; we remove DMOS examples if they're against the rules without having to ask the writers, and that's a far more informal area of the site. I think we'd be just fine to remove them with consensus.

Cleaned out the Seasonal Rot haikus on Haiku.Spongebob Squarepants. Should the Mr. Krabs one go as well, or is that one okay?

I'd say it can go, as well as the final haiku on that page (about the creator's return).

This'll be easier if we have some basic standards as to what would make a Haiku cutworthy. The Haiku being inherently bash-y against the work/creator is the obvious one, but what else are we looking for? (Obviously another insta-cut reason would be if the Haikus aren't in Haiku format).

Depending on how recently that Haiku’s been put there, maybe we could also tell them that their haiku is inadequate too.

To no one's surprise, Haiku.Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 is filled with complaining. I don't think any of the haikus are worth salvaging. It's another case of a page about something bad, but it violates our rules about complaining.

Edit: I saw it was already put on the cutlist.

Edited by ADrago on May 12th 2020 at 11:08:36 AM

I just added a non-bashy haiku. Could it be taken off the cutlist?

The other Haikus would still need to be deleted. As for preventing the cut, we can't remove things from the list once they're there; you'd have to notify a mod about the update.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 12th 2020 at 11:38:23 AM

That's fine by me. First one doesn't seem too bashy, tho.

EDIT: Added another non-bashy haiku at Haiku.Sonichu

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 12th 2020 at 8:43:57 AM

You're not going to keep adding new haikus to every page we cut list, right?

Not every one. Some I'm content to just archive.