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DynamicSloth posted:The 2008 financial crisis is the only thing to ever make a dent in emissions, I don't see why the Covid crisis, presuming it entails economic fallout at least as bad as 2008 will have the same effect, certainly more of an effect then any politician would have managed. Yes, but you need to understand the scale here. If we stopped 100% of emissions for one year and then resumed as normal, that would extend our budget by... one year. It doesn't matter whether you're aiming to stay below 2C, 3C, or whatever arbitrary target. That buys us one more year to hit that goal. A 20% reduction for a couple of years (probably unrealistically optimistic for even a major global depression) buys us a few more months, assuming emissions return to normal as the economy ramps back up. Reducing emissions isn't enough. We need an accelerating reduction that constantly goes down from where it is now, year after year.
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Tab8715 posted:The response to COVID-19 is good analogy as to what we need to do to combat climate change in a specific way as in the entire international scientific community and governments are exclusively focusing on this virus however make no mistake there is absolutely zero lining when it comes to climate change. Renewables projects are full steam ahead in NA as anything out to 2023 is bought and paid for. I'm even getting a hazard pay bonus for the next 8 weeks. This is going to kill off a huge number of lovely O&G projects and producers, however, and may destroy the US Shale industry permanently if the price war continues through the summer. These are both very good things.
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How are u posted:I don't mean any silver lining when it comes to emissions, rather that this whole coronavirus pandemic has thrown back the curtain and shows that literally anything is possible if we simply decide we want to do it. Now there's a real world, extraordinarily contemporary example to point to and say "We need to be responding to climate change like we are responding to coronavirus." I agree that there seems to be some sort of general lack of faith in humanity or ourselves in the last few decades. I'd rather we all come together over something like NASA with Apollo 11 than a massive health crisis that was largely preventable.  DynamicSloth posted:The 2008 financial crisis is the only thing to ever make a dent in emissions, I don't see why the Covid crisis, presuming it entails economic fallout at least as bad as 2008 will have the same effect, certainly more of an effect then any politician would have managed. The collapse of the Soviet Union had a bigger dent in emissions but at an enormous cost of ruined human lives, violence, death, etc. Rime posted:Renewables projects are full steam ahead in NA as anything out to 2023 is bought and paid for. I'm even getting a hazard pay bonus for the next 8 weeks. I can't past the stupid paywall but orders but demand appears to be decreasing for solar - Coronavirus could cut solar demand for first time in 30 years. There are also obvious price increases and supply chain disruptions but the point here is this is not good. As for the US Shale industry all that's going to do is bankrupt smaller companies and their remains will be divided among the oil majors. If it gets any worse than that'll just increase the US dependency on importing oil from places like Saudi Arabia while we're stuck bailing out the whole industry.
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Anyone got any recommendations for good environmental documentaries?
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Jaxyon posted:Anyone got any recommendations for good environmental documentaries? Our Planet. The walrus scene on repeat forever.
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tuyop posted:Our Planet. The walrus scene on repeat forever. gently caress man I hate remembering that
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that scene made me angry as gently caress and made me vomit
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Here's a behind the scenes version of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVJzQc9ELTE iirc the ice they rest on has disappeared so they all congregate to this island and yes that beach is full of dead walruses who slip and fall off
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I'm the cameraman's anger and indignation.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:This rules. It's E, right? A, B, and D seem wrong because meteors and earthquakes are unrelated to global warming, and then I think C is wrong I'm pretty sure arctic ice going down is the way we break records these days Yeah, it's E but guess what, in the game, I randomize the order of the answers. Scoring still works fine. I'm even randomizing the ordering of the questions.
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bobvonunheil posted:'climatic' not 'climactic' Thank you. Do you think it would be wrong to use the Quiz as a way out for players to get supplies? It's so so tempting.
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The climate silver lining of Covid-19 is that the US is handling the federal response so poorly that there is no doubt a giant global depression will ensue that will completely eclipse 2008. And regardless of who wins in November now there will be no good federal response to this and thus at least the American economy will never recover. China will of course pick up the slack of an EPA-less world, but still. Imagine the Great Depression without FDR, especially made even worse since the safety nets put in place by progressives especially in response to the 1930's will be rolled back once Republicans start having a bunch of 5-4 or 7-2 Supreme Court decisions to try to STIMULATE MUH ECONOMY. It's already happened to the EPA, and I am sure any lawsuits that will arise from the recent gutting of the EPA will get eventually blocked by said SCOTUS. No amount of climate pause will make up for the complete lack of any sort of near-future climate regulation in the name of MUH ECONOMY. Edit - Vox's Today Explained did a good interview with David Wallace Wells about this last week. jeeves fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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It is not a sliver lining at all. The challenge of taking on climate change is how to do it without throwing millions under the poverty bus (and hence mass deprivation, death and desperation of people, not seals). Covid19 is going to throw millions under the poverty bus without meaningful progress on changing the systems that provide food and shelter for the worlds population. Rime points out that alternative power construction is continuing which is encouraging in that it might not all be a loss but this is in no way a sliver lining. There is not going to be patience for the greener solutions in India during the upcoming food riots for instance and the most likely outcome is the overall changes required for climate change have been set back years.
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The real silver lining is that the next ten years will accelerate the radicalization of the American working class. Hell my parents are educated professionals and this is the second time they've lost their retirement savings in ten years.
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I should have mentioned if it wasn't noticeable that I was being sarcastic about the silver lining thing on my post. COVID-19 is just another gift in the lap of the rich to get the world's economy to collapse as quickly as possible so that they can buy up as much assets as possible on the cheap. And if entire swaths of poors die along the way, then bonus! Anything climate related will once again take even more a back seat to THE ECONOMY, and anyone left "lucky enough" to have a job will be more than happy to continue to work no matter how polluting it is when everyone else they know is dying in the streets. I know at least a dozen friends who worked at restaurants and currently are completely jobless with no prospects at all besides unemployment checks. If a company came to them with a job of burning tires or cutting down as many trees as they can find just for the hell of it, they would gladly take it. It's why I think anyone who thinks any sort of "CLIMATE OFFSET!" by this temporary economy lapse will be beneficial in the long run is completely delusional. It's like saying the climate recovered by people too busy killing each other in WW2 and then completely forgetting about how good humans got at polluting the planet after the war. jeeves fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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There are lucrative opportunities just around the corner in the guillotine and guillotine accessories industry.
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https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/1250109236991967236 If only it had a mortality rate of 20-30% and spread a little faster, this virus would have been the best thing to happen to the planet in a century. It probably still is, with an unfortunately shorter long-term impact since we're going to spin everything back up as fast as possible and go twice as hard to make up for lost time. Unless enough people realize this is the last and only chance we will ever have to prevent poo poo from restarting, of course. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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That dip in 1981 is instructive of what people can do voluntarily with just a little bit of pain through high prices.
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Rime posted:https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/1250109236991967236 Don't give up hope yet; we know it infects the testes, so it might turn out to cause long-term fertility issues!
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Unfortunately casually banning me for "Malthusian Eco-Fascism" once a month doesn't change reality. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rime posted:Unfortunately casually banning me for "Malthusian Eco-Fascism" once a month doesn't change reality. That wasn't even a particularly aggressive post Mods are cops The air quality graphs are interesting, and I wonder if this will eventuslly provide data on how much we're cooling the atmosphere short term with particulates.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:That wasn't even a particularly aggressive post I've already hyped myself for a big spike in warming as polluting industries struggle to get back up to speed, everything burning down, crop failures, etc etc
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Car Hater posted:I've already hyped myself for a big spike in warming as polluting industries struggle to get back up to speed, everything burning down, crop failures, etc etc   Hitting records is good right
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It's gonna be a brutal year. I'm feeling pretty worried about 2 years in a row of major crop failures in the US. Plus like actual wet bulb temp events.
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Remember when people were talking about these things happening in "like, uh, 100 years maybe" and people thought we might be able to tackle this in time? Because I do and I miss those long lost times of 10 years ago. Just once I'd like some news to be better than anticipated, instead of worse by an order of magnitude.
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I try to take solace in all the times humanity eventually got it right even if it was too late for too many people.
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Reading KSR's Green Earth trilogy right now, and it's very easy to map the depicted societal breakdown from abrupt climate change on to our current moment, and see how accurate his predictions probably are. Of course KSR seems to have a belief in some proportion of people being selfless, rational and altruistic in the face of global catastrophe, so we'll see how that bears out I guess. Shame that a large amount of the series is about a paleobro getting way too horny tho
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He's kind of a weird one. Can strike some really good notes but when he gets lost in the woods he really gets lost for awhile. The pacing can be all over the place as well. New York 2140 actually made me kind of optimistic that maybe better things are possible, so that's kind of cool. Of course most of his stories are based on "everything got really really terrible for a long time, then we kind of got better". So...
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Thread music: https://soundcloud.com/rayn-baron-sparrow/the-doors-the-end-original-mp3
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Rime posted:Unfortunately casually banning me for "Malthusian Eco-Fascism" once a month doesn't change reality. it feels good in the moment at least, even if you do keep re-registering
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Quick reminder for newbies in the thread that this is an Onion headline.
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So what do you guys think the huge double shock in oil right now means? Oil is under $5 a barrel on Saudi pumping to beat down Russian and American oil and gas producers, combined with the huge COVID demand shock. Will cheap gas put a dent in electrification projects? Will companies permanently abandon already iffy North American shale oil reservoirs? Is there a stomach for the absolutely massive subsidies Exxon will beg for?
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Arglebargle III posted:So what do you guys think the huge double shock in oil right now means? Oil is under $5 a barrel on Saudi pumping to beat down Russian and American oil and gas producers, combined with the huge COVID demand shock. Yes and of course
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Arglebargle III posted:Will cheap gas put a dent in electrification projects? quote:Will companies permanently abandon already iffy North American shale oil reservoirs? quote:Is there a stomach for the absolutely massive subsidies Exxon will beg for? 
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I dunno on the Drilled podcast last week they were talking about NA shale oil specifically being a huge money loser for the firms that invested heavily in it earlier this decade. Sounds like Exxon will gobble it up for pennies on the dollar because they didn't jump in during the frenzy.
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