NOTICE HOW GAS PRICES SHOT UP TODAY??

They don't have to make up anything. Their profits have been nearly a
trillion $$$ every year Bush has been Preznit da Pirate.
With the money Bush raided from our treasury, used for research, we could be
driving non emission solar cars at 200mph for months on one hour of
sunlight.

You were doing OK till you got to that 200 mph crap. We should LOWER
speed limits and thus prevent THOUSANDS of highway killings each year.

Yeah, but with President Bush's anti-pollution initiative, there
wouldn't be that one hour of sunlight. All that research money would
be wasted.

Judy, your ignorance shows no bounds. You know gas goes up before most
holidays.

--
"The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and
balance for one another. It is within the court’s duty to ensure that power
is never condense[d] into a single branch of government." - Judge Anna
Diggs Taylor

Dumbass, they've been going up for a MONTH since the Saudi's and Opec
said they are cutting production. Notice this happened BEFORE the
election.

The other things conspiracy nuts like yourself were once again wrong
about is that Bush would "bring out" Bin Laden, who has been in custody
all along.

Check your facts before you make a fool of yourself in public because
these are the retail gasoline prices in cents/gallon for all US grades,
all formulations as published by your own Department of Energy
(http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html):

Oct 02, 2006 236.0
Oct 09, 2006 231.0
Oct 16, 2006 227.4
Oct 23, 2006 225.5
Oct 30, 2006 226.4
Nov 06, 2006 224.6

According to the DOE, overall gasoline prices three days ago were 11.4
cents/gallon lower than they were on October 2 and lower than they had
been at any time since.

One of the many investigations that need to be done by the new congress
next year is to look into the price gouging by the oil companies.

David

...like it goes down before elections.

Actually raising the speed limit and increasing driving test standards
would lower the accident rate. Lowering the speed limit will decrease
fatalaties, but it won't keep idiot drivers off the road. Germanies
Autoban has NO speed limit, except in some high traffic areas, and the
Autoban accident rate is the lowest in the world.

They have not, you liar. I bought gas on monday for $2.04 and that's
the lowest for me in over a year.

29 cents?? You mean like 50 years ago??? Who cares about that.?
We're talking about how gas has been rising the last couple years
under bush and then tumbled the last couple months and is now rising
again.

Except when anti-business Democrats are the incumbents.

--
http://hume.realisticpolitics.com/

I've got them

AP Story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219637,00.html?sPage=fnc.business/energy

"OPEC to Cut Production 1 Million Barrels of Oil Per Day", OCTOBER 11.

And

http://www.futuresource.com/charts/charts.jsp?s=CLZ06&o=&a=D&z=610x300&d=medium&b=bar&st=

As you can see, oil prices have gone up since the announcement. If
Bush had "big oil" in his pocket, as the nutcase OP implies, the cut in
production wouldn't have been announced until after the election.

Finally, unleaded gasoline prices:
http://www.futuresource.com/charts/charts.jsp?s=HUZ06&o=&a=D&z=610x300&d=medium&b=bar&st=

As you can also see, unleaded gas is higher now since about mid/late
Sept.

Your numbers are retail numbers. Are you making the claim that somehow
the government has influence over the markup at the pump? Laughable.

Of course, this all doesn't mean ANYTHING because anyone that isn't
insane understands that Bush doesn't control crude or gasoline prices.

There are speed limits on most of the autobahn. When they do have
accidents on the autobahn, they almost invariably result in fatalities.

> As you can see, oil prices have gone up since the announcement. If

The excuses for oil price changes run from the reasonable to the absurd.
Hence a running joke on fark.com.... sample recent fark headlines:

"Oil over $59 on American public voting K-Fed out of marriage"
"Oil prices rise on news that someone has pictures of Marcia Cross nekkid"
"OPEC has finally decided on the best means to get that pesky barrel
price of oil back up. If you guessed "Terror", go ahead and light your
fat Cuban cigar with a flaming $1000 bill"
"Oil prices climb $2 a barrel on news that Oprah has approved of
Madonna's adoption of African boy"

Some of his sponsors have some power over them however.

How many more times will you need to prove you're a moron? The Autoban
is a limted access divided highway. Where ever they are, the accident
rates goes way down since you avoid cross traffic and most chances of
head on accidents.

The original poster was referring to gasoline prices, not light crude
oil prices. And even the chart you cited shows that light crude is
still lower today than it was month ago so you are wrong when you say
"they've been going up for a MONTH".

The chart cited here shows that unleaded prices did not start to rise
until just a few days ago and actually fell by 13 cents/gallon between
the beginning of October and the beginning of November. IOW, neither
citation supports your erroneous statement that prices have been going
up for a month.

I'm not making any claim at all. I was just showing US government data
that indicates the price of gasoline paid by the consumer has not been
going up for a month. The only oil-related price that has any meaning
to the consumer is the price of retail gas, so from a political
standpoint that's the only thing that matters.

I worked for an international oil company for 30 years, and like any
other business prices are managed in the context of profits. If a
company is willing to take less profit, they can lower their prices
regardless of their variable costs. Oil prices can go up and gasoline
prices can still go down if the oil companies have an incentive to do
make that happen. In fact, anyone that isn't insane understands that
if a special interest group backs a particular candidate, they may do
whatever they legally can to help that candidate. A short-term loss of
profits to secure long-term profitability by getting your candidate
elected is not beyond the realm of possibility. Actually, it could be
a wise business decision unless the strategy backfires.

It's not the lowest in the world, you pathetic lying idiot!!!!

It's pretty obvious he was talking about mpg and his mph is a misprint.

Maybe not, but the accident rate is lower than on any U.S. freeway.

So where is it you pathetic stupid idiot?

and replace it with this reality:

"Study after study has shown setting speed limits to conform with the
actual rate of travel increases safety and smooths traffic flow" (and
reduces police revenue :P )

Learn it, live it, love it - chop, chop Judy, get with the program, we
haven't got all day...

> It's not the lowest in the world, I'm a pathetic lying idiot!!!!

You want to come up with a cite for the first statement, or are out
content to be known as a pathetic lying idiot?

Oh, yeah, I cleaned up the headers some.

--
Loco laura bush - VEHICULAR shows us all - yet again -
what an idiot it really is:

"Radios shouldn't be in cars either. Only an idiot would argue that."
--laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE, 8/5/06
Ref:http://tinyurl.com/hwevv
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I wouldn't want you as my financial advisor. Pretty clear upward trend
in the last month to me.

Look at the start of October.

Ayou know, oil and gasoline are commodities, and not manufactured
products. Oil companies can directly affect crude oil prices as much
as a CEO can directly affect their stock price.

You have already demonstrated quite a bit of ignorance already. First
of all, trying to compare the Autobahn with US highways is like
comparing apples and oranges. Next, you infer that the Autobahn is
mostly speed limit free and that is false. Most of the Autobahn is
"high traffic areas" and does have speed limits. Driving on the
Autobahn is nothing like the US where you have mostly low population
areas. Germany is very densely populated so you are constantly moving
in and out of high traffic areas that definitely have speed limits.
I've driven all over Germany and the areas in which you can actually
achieve high speeds are few and far between because of all the traffic.
That being said, the average driver in Germany is head and shoulders
above the average American driver in terms of driving knowledge, skills,
and ability. However, you can't compare their accident rate with the US
because they have a very different dynamic there. Everyone who drives
is used to high traffic and they take driving much more seriously. It's
very expensive and takes a lot of training to get your license there.
It doesn't take much to get your license revoked and it is very hard to
get it back if you do lose it.

Not on fark.com, but here's my contribution to the list:

"'Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS,' makes a logical and coherent
statement. Oil prices triple in 1 hour.

--
"Oh yeah. Well i've gone 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash
so i must be doing something right."

--Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/
Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM), 9/24/2006

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/qdotr
Msg ID: ivadh2t9kd05ilrgd...@4ax.com

That's exactly why we compare it. Because it shows that speed doesn't
kill, idiotcy and incompetence does!

Your lame insult aside, I guess you need new glasses because if the
charts you are looking at are a "pretty clear upward trend in the last
month" then you are blind. Let's just go to the source and screw the
charts.

World crude oil prices in $/bbl direct from the DOE
(http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_wco_k_w.htm):

Total World:
09/29/2006 54.93
10/06/2006 54.92
10/13/2006 53.72
10/20/2006 53.86
10/27/2006 53.58
11/03/2006 53.32

OPEC Average:
09/29/2006 56.07
10/06/2006 55.73
10/13/2006 55.22
10/20/2006 55.63
10/27/2006 55.45
11/03/2006 55.00

Non-OPEC Average:
09/29/2006 54.16
10/06/2006 54.36
10/13/2006 52.71
10/20/2006 52.67
10/27/2006 52.31
11/03/2006 52.14

Estimated contract prices are based on government-selling prices,
netback values, or spot market quotations. These are upward trends as
of less than a week ago only if you use Republican math.

You're not paying attention. The original poster was talking about
gasoline, not crude oil. Oil companies may not affect crude oil prices
very much, but they definitely can and do affect gasoline prices by
pricing strategy, reformulation and refinery output. Since they all
sell to each other and use each others' product in their own
formulations, it is hardly a free market in the conventional sense.
Gasoline prices are relatively easily managed independently of crude
oil price.

IDIOT - there is no actual rate of travel. No matter what you set
speed limits at, 20% or so are gonna exceed. At least they will as
long as they get off with mere fines. Make the speed limit 55 and jail
anyone doing over 65. That's the answer.

<Rolleyes> Yeah right. Where I am gas went from 2.09 to 2.17 at a grand
total of two gas stations. The rest are holding steady on prices. They
have *really* "shot up." Get a life, you scum. </Rolleyes>

TBIM

You got that right

Well, the Autobahn does have speed limits in places - they're variable
and dictated by conditions, but that makes too much sense for us -
especially when we let idiots like Aunt Judy get licenses.

Fucknuts -- the price of unleaded regular gas, in Lexington, KY, was
$1.99 on election day.

Today it's $2.29.

Is that up or down?

Got an answer, Fucknuts?

near me, the lowest stations at were at 2.149, those are now at 2.279 go
figure.

How many of us now have an I-told-you-so pending? I for one predicted
this. I'm surprised how fast they reacted. I thought they might wait
a week so as not to be too obvious.

Gas companies blame high gas prices on crude oil prices, but they fail
to remind you they are in the crude oil business too, and the
transport business, and the refining business, and the exploration
business and the retail business. It is completely integrated. They
control the entire process from well to nozzle.

"This is absolutely bizarre that we continue to subsidize highways
beyond the gasoline tax, airlines, and we don't subsidize, we don't
want to subsidize a national rail system that has environmental
impact."
~ Joe Biden

"Environmental quality was drastically improved while economic
activity grew by the simple expedient of removing lead from gasoline -
which prevented it from entering the environment."
~ Barry Commoner
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/

<Yawn> Yeah, right. Bush and the neo-cons are responsible for the
refiners switching some of their capacity to heating oil - heaven forbid
they do this in light of the upcomming demand for heating oil because of
something called winter - resulting in a decrease in supply of gas, and
a projected increase in driving due to the silly season and its
associated nonsense. And of course, the neo-cons are responsible for the
increase in the price of oil because the Crown Prince Akbar Hijacker
couldn't find a goat to suck off last night and ordered a cut in
production.

I might not be the biggest fan of the bush admin, but even I don't think
he is stupid enough to try what you and numbnutz are suggesting inlight
of the fact that there are enough people like you and numbnutz who jump
to conclusions at the slightest price increase. </Yawn>

--
necromancer

Official Overseer Of Kooks And Trolls In rec.autos.driving

Yes, supply, demand, and speculation.

Besides your loony conspiracies, you?

You mean the way jail time has eliminated murders, rapes, and the
selling of illegal drugs?!?! Wow, we live in utopia!

<sarcasm> I like how the threat of execution deterred Danny Rolling.
</sarcasm>

--
Aunt Judy demonstrates its lack of understanding
of the concept of "</killfile>," and "<killfile>,"
and what a "thread," is:

"Now that takes nerve. You claim to killfile
me TWICE in the same thread and you expect
people to take you seriously???"

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/r5qp9

You are really stupid. Why would anyone defend the oil companies???
Exxon made over $10 billion last quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know.

Its a crazy little thing called the truth. My friend, TBIM, has a thing
about it.

Damn, I should have invested in Exxon stock!

--
Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend foams like a Bartlo
(and spelling or gramatical errors are left as is):

"Hey - necromancer is a criminal coddler. BTW the article
says 4X and then it says the BAC was .187 which doesn't
make much sense. Not that it matters. Drunk drivers who
kill should get life wo parole."

Ref: http://tinyurl.com/rqvtg
Message ID:i2k082lf3gv2p6h1s...@4ax.com

You do know that Aunt Judy perceives Roedy to be it's z^hhero, don't
you? They tend to run together in the political discussion groups.
Considering how much they agree with each other I briefly considered
one was a sock.

According to this, Oil went down in price, it even went down this week, but
the price at the pumps has gone up 23 cents here in WI. Why is that?

--
"The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and
balance for one another. It is within the court’s duty to ensure that power
is never condense[d] into a single branch of government." - Judge Anna
Diggs Taylor

People who can add two numbers together without using a calculator?

>the price at the pumps has gone up 23 cents here in WI. Why is that? <snip>

Regular up 23¢ here in California by the Friday after Election Day,
yet crude was still in the mid-to-high 50s.

Neither one of you is anywhere close to being right. And not only is
that an answer, it is brought to you in real data:

Weekly U.S. Retail Gasoline Prices, Regular Grade

Dollars per gallon, including all taxes

Change from Change from
10/30/2006 11/6/2006 11/13/2006 week ago
year ago

US: 2.218 2.200 2.232
0.032 -0.064
East Coast 2.185 2.170 2.198 0.028
-0.097
Midwest 2.196 2.187 2.218 0.031
0.040
West Coast 2.414 2.381 2.438 0.057
-0.109

In Kentucky the average price per galon of regular one month ago was
$2.14 - today it is $2.18. One year ago it was $2.21.

Today in Louisville, a gallon of regular can be purchased for a low of
$2.02 at Sams Club on Alliant and for a high of $2.29 at the Shell at
1st and Jefferson.

The price in Louisville today is less than it was on the 26th of
October - two weeks before the election, and the same price today as it
was one week before the election - $2.17.

The data for the same periods in 2003 and 2004 show the same early fall
drop with a late fall rise. This is the cyclical nature of retail
gasoline prices and is due primarily to a reduction in demand
preceeding a shift to heating oil in supply. Isn't economics fun?

js

Oil Companies are going to do their best to soak us right now, because come
January, there are going to be a lot of questions asked in legal courts.

Interesting theory.

A little earlier today, while out and about, I noted that the price of
gas at a couple of stations has goen DOWN over the last day or two. One
from 2.139 to 2.079 and another from 2.139 to 2.099. Kinda blows SFB's
theory out of the water so far, dosen't it?

>that an answer, it is brought to you in real data: <snip>

Who massaged that for you....Trilby Lundberg?

Regular went up 23｢/gal. in my locale by the FRIDAY AFTER ELECTION
DAY. What part of that do you NOT understand?

Meanwhile, light sweet crude is still trading in the high 50s/bbl.

So much for you fluffing and foofing.

The AAA and the DOE.

Data - verifiable and accurate.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html
http://www.louisvillegasprices.com/

I don't post anecdote - I post data.

The part about the data.

Yes - and refining capacity is shifting to winter heating fuels, away
from gasoline. This is not new, it is not unexpected, and it is why
gasoline prices first dip in the fall and then rise slightly.

Not a single fluff or foof - nothing but data and facts. Here, go read
about it yourself.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasolinepricesprimer/eia1_2005primerM.html

Next time - bring data, not anecdote.

js

November 13, 2006 - The average price in California for a gallon of
regular gasoline increase by 6.8-cents from the previous week. Ending
the 14 week drop in price.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/states/CA.shtml

Why do you find it necessary to lie?

js

>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/states/CA.shtml <snip>

Quoting figures CONTROLLED BY THE BUSHIES. Nice trick.
>
>Why do you find it necessary to lie? <snip>

Not. Today's survey vs. Election Day:

BP/ARCO: $2.69 $2.32
Shell: $2.74 $2.41
Chevron: $2.79 $2.42
Alliance: $2.71 $2.39

Care to explain? I have photos of all the price boards and locations
of the stations, if you'd like to verify.

Conclusion: The Bushies are, as usual, LYING.

One of the stations I drive past every day went DOWN another $0.04 to
$2.139 per gallon. "Turkey Day," is one week away. Where's my $3.00
gas, loser?

TBIM

Yeah, the station by my house is down one cent since the election. Just
another lie from the democrats to scare out the vote. Guess it worked
because according to a USA Today poll, 43% of Americans were clueless
enough to buy into it. They've no doubt forgotten by now that gas
prices were supposed to "shoot up" right after the election.

The average American thinks that Bush and Rove had something to do with
the "outting" of Valarie Plame and that Tom Delay did something illegal.
More lies that "worked".

John Black

Here - the list of retail prices in ANY neighborhood, almost real time,
as submitted by peole just like you.

http://www.orangecountygasprices.com/

Here's your very own motorclub survey of prices:

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/CAavg.asp

Quite the conspiracy theeory you have going.

Post the photos and then document that in fact the photos represent the
day you say they were taken.

Conclusion: you have an anecdote - I have data.

Ta Ta.

js

Once again you demonstrate the moron that you are:

November 16, 2006
Oil tumbles to lowest level since June 2005
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061117/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc_9

Glad you're not my financial advisor!