Former Intelligence Agent Says Google In Bed With CIA

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Former Intelligence Agent Says Google In Bed With CIA
Steele also sounds off on 9/11 doubts

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | October 27 2006

A former clandestine services officer for the CIA who also maintains
close relationships with top Google representatives says that the
company is "in bed with" the intelligence agency and the U.S.
government. He has also gone public on his deep suspicions about the
official explanation behind 9/11.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/google_in_bed_with_gov_cia_says_former_agent.htm

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Stubby be a fucking man and add something...any fucking thing to your
post. There's nothing to debate...hollow and empty like your brain.
pathetic.

p.s. you should get the names of a few of the defense department
intelligence services to use in your conspiracy stories. everyone at
the hardy boys secret decoder ring conspiracy theory club likes to
weave stories around agencies like Strategic Support Branch. CIA is
very passé since they've been relegated to relatively mundane
bureaucratic analysis functions after 911.

You have about 150,000 miles of neural network in your body. You
probably only use a few hundred feet in your lifetime.

You use about .002% of your brain. What do you suppose the other
99.998% could be used for? Don't have any idea? Someone does. Someone
has come a long long way to find your uniqueness and exploit it in ways
you may find "simply unbelievable". Don't you see your designed
for greatness. Designed far greater than you imagine. Jesus put it
perfectly" greater works will you do than i have done"!
Someone is just noticing that "ability, capacity, uniqueness, ? And
want to use it (in various ways) via:

Limiting it (in certain lineages)
Expanding it (in certain lineages)

They often just "check on it" in many lineages. Just to see how the
project is coming. You are unique... and someone knows it... whether
you do or not.

Is there a government involvement about Abductions and UFO matter?

Yes.

Here is an interview with some canadian scientist and me: this short
interview (and notes provided here) is included for clarification of
this event.

NEWS WIRE MESSAGE AND RESPONSE FROM DERREL SIMS, UFO INVESTIGATOR AND
EX CIA (INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVE) HOUSTON, TEXAS

We're going to go ahead and do a 5-minute interview with you. The
host's name is Neil Aitchison...
SUBJECT: CANADIAN D.O.D. SCIENTISTS WORRY: UFO CHASERS MIGHT TRIGGER A
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH ALIENS!

********Here's the story that came off the newswire:
Toronto -- A couple of Defense Department scientists are worried that
amateur UFO chasers might trigger a close encounter with aliens.

Derrel Sims: If only one of the cases that I investigate (worldwide) is
true, even in the slightest sense, then this "contact" has already
happened. The real question is "Who knows" that besides the victim of
the experience? It is my contention that the US Government, Brazilian
Government (both, in part) know of this contact at the intelligence
levels. The US and Brazilian contact is well documented and on my
Internet sites (www.alienhunter.org or www.FIRSTevidence.org).
Classified papers are there between the US Government and Brazil.
Daniel Goldin and Warren Christopher's signatures are on the documents.
Soon I will put up the rest of the story. When the Brazilian story
broke, it hit the front page of the Wall Street Journal (even if only
tongue in cheek) Perhaps we should pay attention. Someone on Wall
Street did.

NASA's own Farouk El -Baz (NASA geologist-primary investigator, Apollo.

Director for Research for the Smithsonian's National Air and Space
Museum and geology instructor for the Apollo astronauts states: "There
have been quite a few unexplainable objects, but most interesting are
those tremendously long shadows cast by enormous spires seen almost
everywhere on the moon...They're much lighter in color than the
surrounding mare or lava fields, which gives them an additional aura of
mystery. They seem to have been constructed of different materials."

DS. It is not the non-professional UFO chasers that bother me. It is
the professional ones. I mean they have really gotten the money to
Chase a UFO (with our tax dollars and then classify the finds so that
we pay for it but don't get it!) The US DSP (Defense Support Program
Satellite System) alone should tell us all something. This system of 18
satellites are so sensitive that they can read the dial on your watch,
detect mad cow disease from space and even track UFOs (AKA
"Fastwalkers", in intelligence lingo).

They're urging the federal government to censor any communications
intended for aliens.

DS. If aliens don't exist then why all the fuss? NASA under the
Extraterrestrial Exposure Law (circa 1981's) states that (ostensibly an
astronaut) can be fined $5,000.00 dollars and be imprisoned and
quarantined if these laws are violated.) ... my question is again. IF
THERE ARE NO ALIENS THEN WHY THE LAW? SHOULD THERE BE A CONCERN? I
think there is concern.
At a former Soviet bloc 7 nation conference for the study of US and
SOVIETBLOCK MIL/INTEL COVER-UPS Sims was the featured speaker to
present his case of cover-up. The presentation was met with a medallion
for his efforts. SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) is a system capable
of doing more than shooting enemy missiles out of the air. A number of
Russian Scientists figured this out quickly.

The two astrophysicists, who work at the defense research establishment
in Valcartier, Quebec, made the appeal directly to the Prime Minister
by e-mail. They're worried that inexperienced UFO chasers could
inadvertently invite an invasion from other worlds.

DS. If one looks at the US/CANADA area from the satellites at night,
the entire outline of the continent can be seen by the lighted cities.
Did we think no one would notice?! No one has expressed a definition of
what an "alien" might be. It seems to me, we'd better be finding out
what it is that the DSP infrared/ultraviolet and visual range sensors
are picking up.
Interestingly enough, I am finding physical evidence findings with
these light ranges on some alleged abductees. The DSP satellite system
of 18 units, 22,300 orbit miles, is designed to detect the launch of
ICBM and test-band monitoring. It is primarily IR digital,
multi-bandwidth, with "special" detectors. So what is a "SPECIAL EVENT
SENSOR": These two sensors are quite interesting in that they are made
from relatively thick-walled aluminum (and therefore are NOT alpha or
beta particle detectors) and are filled with crystals. Some think that
these are the sensors uniquely designed to detect "FASTWALKERS" or
UFOs. If so the PROFESSIONAL UFO CHASERS are already doing the job they
claim doesn't exist.

For example, they say UFO cultists could send a message through space
asking extra-terrestrials to come and rule earth.

DS. If a person is not a scientist he is automatically a "cultist"? I
certainly have no interest in cultists (in the intelligence community
or otherwise) but IF someone could "make contact" shouldn't the
government be a bit interested in the technique(s) involved. After Sims
went on the Art Bell Radio show (15 million potential listeners) and
spoke on this subject he obtained 180 hits on his (www.alienhunter.org)
website. The hits were from NASA, CIA, NSA, ASA, and a NSA computer
located in the WHITE HOUSE. It makes you wonder who is watching whom. I
feel like governments should be accountable to tax payers inquires. We
are paying for this secrecy. Whatever the UFO phenomena is, good, bad
or something else, this kind of information belongs to the world at
large. It should not belong to the US, Russia, science, or to an
investigator. It is a world class issue. It is an issue that should be
solved once and for all.

A spokesman for Jean Chretien says the government doesn't think that
fraternizing with aliens from outer space is a problem.

DS. Does this mean that your Government is agreed to "fraternization
with an alien presence" or is it strictly "tongue in cheek?

One of the scientists says his efforts to contact aliens are not
related to his work at the defense department.

DS. Is this an admission that a Professional Alien Chaser is attempting
human/alien contact? If so, Perhaps he should contact my team and me.

This e-mail was obtained by The National Post (excluding this
interview).

125 MILL DOLLAR UFO DETECTOR the dsp (Defense Systems satillite). The
18 units see in the ultraviolet, infrafred and visible light range. Ron
Regehr and I met years ago and discussed the uniqueness of my uv, ir,
and visible markings finds of 1992. This unit detects "mad" cow disease
and cattle that appear to have been fluorescently "premarked" by the
alien entities.

And, to finish, do you think that we will able to resolve this mystery
( UFO & Abductions ) within some years?

PART OF ONE OF MY 5 BOOKS ON EVIDENCE AND THE ALIEN AGENDA:

R: MED/PSYCH/SCI EVIDENCE OF ALIEN ENTITIES: AND WHY THIS WILL NOT
REVEAL THE INTENT OR GIVE CREDIBLE EXPLOITATION OF THE ALIEN AGENDA:
The body of Medical evidence here will show that this is a Medical
situation of great import, but the Medical work that we do will not
Cure the problem. The medical evidence will only show there is a UFO
phenomena and a UFO problem.
The body of Scientific discovery prompted by our Field work and
highlighted by our Medical finds will show that the Scientific Work
will not solve or completely answer the UFO problem.
The Psychological PhysioDynamic will show that there is a Psychological
UFO problem. It will tell us about the UFO maze and UFO puzzle...the
UFO problem but will not show us the Answer.
I spent over 2 years in the C.I.A. in covert ops. What I discovered
about that system of thinking, is that you have to have (or use) other
hats "to think with" before coming to a conclusion.
For instance: Mad cow disease: In an interview with Ron Regehr, a DSP
Satillite specialist and aeronautics engineer 1997 I reported, on Art
Bell, that this specialized satellite system could discover the
propensity mad cow disease via one of the 3 "eyes" of the system.
The particular eye is the infra red one. It can detect the heat
differential of 5 degrees in one animal (like a deer or elk in the
herd, or a cow for that matter in a slaughter lot) . Now this is
amazing. It is also horrific that the Dsp Systems May have known this
information for some time...Particualrly after looking at known
infected herds in England.

My question to Ron, a dear friend, was "Has the Dsp system seen a
heat ratio like that in deer / elk population in the USA?
Answer YES
Was that detection primarily in the Colorado, Utah, Wyoming area?
Answer YES.
This gives us the Scientific "VIEW" but it really doesn't address
the question of "How did it get here?"
The MEDICAL answer is now in progress. My friend and former police
officer Ted Oliphant was the first person to show a connection to mad
cow disease and other spongiforms as possible "jumpers" of species.
The Medical and the Scientific approaches have only told us "it
exists, and what it does in terms of effects" it hasn't (YET)
answered the question of "why is it here".
The intelligence Question (HAT) here is Where/Why did it get here, and
what is it's purpose?
THIS ANALOGY IS CENTRAL TO MY POSITION HERE.
The UFO ENIGMA is not a medical problem. The UFO ENIGMA is not a
Scienfic problem. The UFO ENIGMA is not a Psychological problem.
THE UFO ENIGMA is an intelligence problem. Since the big questions are
"why are they here, and Why are they deceptive" the science, the
medical field, and the psychological field will never be able to answer
fully those questions. The primary reason is "the evidence you find
will often be elusive, spoon fed to you, misidentified, misinterpreted,
categorized in ways that are not "what it is" but what it is
"allowed".
If my Thesis is correct. Then what we have is not a med/psych/sci
problem, but an intelligence agency problem.
Why do you think the CIA was started in ? Why do you think the NSA (8
times the CIA) was started in 1947?
All were directly after WWII and immediately after "the 509th Atomic
bomb wing's reporting of a downed 'flying saucer".

Why? Do you think the Intelligencia about UFOS stopped then?

It always has these omnipotent GODS sitting in control. Presidents are
really Zeus in disguise.

You do realize that F.D.Roosevelt planned the Pear Harbor attack.
Bush controls oil prices.
Oh, we musn't forget that Nixon was the mastermind behind the Kenedy
assasination. That was because of Kennedy's involvment in the cover-up of
the foiled Martian invation in New Mexico.
The most astounding power is that ANYTHING gets done in the government.
The second most astounding thing is the mesmerization of the public to think
that the members of CIA or FBI are other than hum. But, maybe with all
their super powers, they are not really human.
Of course we mustn't forget the power of congressmen / Senators who can fool
these super organizations such as CIA and FBI.
Oh, I almost forgot the latest release from a recent CIA retired person.
Reagan established the Taliban and the entire New Islam movement to
culminate in 9/11 so that we could take control of the mid-east oil. BUT
that required Abraham Lincoln to create a fake war here so that the Anti Jew
movement could get started in the mid-east and spread to Germany.

You just don't understand the power of these alien gods who pretend to be
Presidents, CIA, FBI.

OR we could know the truth.
They are people.
They (none) are there with super powers.
We are lucky they don't destroy America with cross purposes, much less put
together a super secret plan.

Oh, yes, I have worked with (not in) just about every government agency. I
feel real smart when there. The part I envy is that they have attained
lifetime income with near zero knowledge OR cognative capability. One of
the primary uses of OUTSIDE contractors is to allow two or more government
persons to work with each other. I had top secret clearance for many
years. The SECRETS were about as secret as Madona's boobs. They just
thought that no one else knew.

-snip-

Did you really write this Vernon, or is this a case of bad quoting?
In any case, I guess even the super secret sections of the office in
Langley and the Pentagon need to have their floor mopped. I can see why
they would give you top secret clearance. Even if you did come across
some real secrets, it would be impossible to tell the difference between
the real thing and those from your rather vivid imagination.

119 views with 29 ratings. At least that's in the realm of
possibilities.

keep up the great detective work, sherlock.

pretty 'tarded

Yes there's nothing shady going on. A fucking pandemic which we have a
GD cure. A president who killed thousands of New Yorkers so he could
grab some oil. Yes...nothing shady going on. just move along...

Some people actually believe that nonsense.
Bush would have to be the most powerful and omnipotent human to ever have
live in order for that to have happened.

Those same people have zero idea where profits come from and under what
circumstances in the oil industry. Simple minded conspiracy nuts who give
godly power to their pretend gods.

I mean REALLY deranged people.

Will then who did bring down the building Vernon? Surly your not
stating WTC 7 fell in demolition style due to deisel fires?!?

"I'm convinced that within one or two years at most, the entire
academic community will agree that the 9/11 commission report is a
travesty and a fraud."

Brigham Young University physics professor Steven Jones
I should say ex-professor as BYU censures free speech.

Yep, Bush is a super power god and he has all these other super power gods
working for him.
At least Brigham Young U is intelligent enough to relieve an insane person
of their worries. That is something a few other Universities need to do.
Irrational speech in an academic environment is NOT FREE speech.
Zombies sitting in the classrooms completely uninterested in learning what
they came to learn is not the sign of a good University.

Go get an engineering degree and work in buildings a few years and then see
if being deranged allows you to continue.
Yes, I saw WTC 7 videos and I made the comment and accusation of how stupid
and low bid the building was. All of the external / internal explosives
etc. could not create the sequence.

There are literally THOUSANDS of architectural engineers and demolition
engineers who saw the films. I am in agreement with them. I also do not
believe Bush is a god with super powers. There are also thousands of
experts in the oil industry who know what makes it tick and 9/11 wasn't an
answer and neither is the Iraq war.
None are not sitting around considering free speech ramifications.
Out of all those experts who make a real living being right, one nut
"professor" (non-productive) has some inside knowledge? SUUUURE He has
already taken care of ten years salary with monies from speeches and
articles.

HE MUST HAVE KNOWN TO MUCH

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"Vernon" <anere@anhere> wrote in message
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Can you link the thousands?

Bush is anything but God...perhaps he's the the devil or a minor
minion. Steve is not a lone voice in the wilderness. There are plenty
of high ranking people and many in the intelligencia who KNOW for a
fact the physics are impossible or the hole in the pentagon is not via
an airplane. See scholars for 911truth link below.

On the collapse. The netherlands TV did a debunk story on 911 but found
out the physics class came to the same conclusion. The official story
is imposible. period.
Replay a few times and notice: (see video)

* The roofs dips inward
* Explosions are visible running up on the right side
* Explosions are visible in the front
* Simultaneous symmetrical collapse (all joints fail at the same
time)
* Falls at free-fall speed
* Falls into its own footprint without damaging surrounding
buildings

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

The question is not are they right or wrong...the question is WHY with
so many reputable people stepping forward the mass media is silent.
(silence=guilt)

http://tinyurl.com/yltsdk

Duuuhh when things fall there is dust.

Ask the thousands of architectural and demolition engineers, but FIRST get
an education and then get rid of hate for what you think is a god, THEN ask.

The only general consensus is that the buildings were built by low bidder.

Anyone and everyone can walk around the site. There would be residue from
any explosive. That is unless you also think the government people have
supernatural powers that can erase the residue. BTW, The residue would
STILL be evident DDUUUUUUHHHH.

So you are certifiably insane.

More insane folks. I'll just list a couple. All critics of the official
story. If you like I post many many more. Where your link on those
thousands?

Cleland, Senator Max - Member of the 9/11 Commission. Former U.S.
Senator from Georgia
Berg, Philip J. - Deputy Attorney General, Pennsylvania
Conrad, David Mark - Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs
Ray, Col. Ronald D. - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under
Ronald Reagan

Nope seen the certificate when this theory went out. Everything built
according to specs. Did you know both towers needed miilions if not
billions of renovations? Luckily he added terrorism insurance just in
time.

1. A few short weeks after 9/11, tons of metal from the collapsed twin
towers was sold to scrap yards in New Jersey. Thereafter, the steel was
re-sold to other recyclers in the United States and overseas. Anecdotal
evidence suggests that the "scrap" has ended up in India, Japan,
South Korea, China and Malaysia.

It is the FSC's position that the thousands of pounds of debris was
crime-scene evidence. It should have been examined, catalogued, and
stored in a secure location.

Why were the steel beams sold and shipped overseas and not retained as
evidence? Was the material examined before it was sent overseas? If
examined, then by whom? Were any diagnostic studies/tests performed? If
not, then why? Whose responsibility was this?

Former FBI Acting Director Thomas Pickard said that the FBI wanted to
take over Ground Zero and make it a crime scene as was done at the
Pentagon. If that had occurred all materials from the scene would have
been protected until an investigation was complete. Pickard also stated
that you, Mayor Giuliani, would not allow the FBI access to the pit
area.

http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html

Vernon, I have to agree with you. A HS classmate of mine owns an
implosion company, and he and I watched the video when he visited NY a
few years ago. His comment was that if it were an implosion, just how
did the conspirators manage to sneak in all of that explosives without
alerting anyone?

AFAIC, these people are as bad as laetrile pushers.

It's a fact that President Bush's brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt
Walker III were both heads of the company in charge of security for the
WTCs. It's also been reported that noises were heard before the attack
on floors that should have been empty also a strange dust was reported
to settle in the offices. It's also a fact someone called off the
explosive sniffing dogs when the building was evacuated for "upgrades"
to the infrastructure.

Why jump in? Not trying to defend Israel now are you?

Between August 26 and September 11, 2001 a group of speculators from
Israel sold 'short' a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be
expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks.
Investigations as to who they were by the SEC, DoJ and the FBI have
mysteriously stopped dead in their tracks. Also...remember those
celebrating Mossad agents during the attack?

just curious: what's a mastermind like yourself do for a living?
what's your educational background?

keep up the greay work!

p.s. why didn't the Israeli stock traders buy the puts or write naked
calls instead of merely selling the equity short?

p.p.s. sure was nice of ben laden to play along with the whole plot.
never realized he was so pro-Israel.

The point is we can't find out who they are. Some money even went into
an unmarked account and it's still there. Millions...nope nothing
strange about that.

none of your fucking business.

keep being an anonymous whore on a Lyme newsgroup and saying NOTHING
about lyme! I've had lyme and now I need to re-learn thousands of
words...It's a symptom. Making fun of those with a disease...you must
be a Rush Limbaugh fan.

be nice if we could ask them huh?

Don't know about this. I've seen the video where he eats from his right
hand (he's left handed) and wearing a gold ring which is forbidden in
the Muslim religion. Then there's the CBS report by Dan Rather that
Osama had been admitted to a Pakistani military hospital. They knew
where he was before and shortly after the attack. They...did...nothing.

Boy, there goes your invitation to the next State of the Union
address.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"George Bush is a gruesome boob." -- Bill Maher

Sense you're interested.

"Selling Short" is the borrowing of stock, selling it at current
market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock for
some time. If the stock falls precipitously after the short contract is
entered, the seller can then fulfill the contract by buying the stock
after the price has fallen and complete the contract at the pre-crash
price. These contracts often have a window of as long as four months.

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy
Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The
World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following
trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options
Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but
only 396 call options... Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought
by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these
"insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were
bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again,
there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;... Again,
assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders,"
they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six
times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago
exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of
the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought
in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an
average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's
share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks.
Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon
knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have
profited by at least $1.2 million. Merrill Lynch & Co., with
headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options
bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous
average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200%
increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88
to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by
"insiders," their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich
Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers
with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns
more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a "double
whammy" for them.]
On September 29, 2001 - in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by
the major media - the San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Investors
have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading
options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist
attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market
data.

"The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors - whose
identities and nationalities have not been made public - had advance
knowledge of the strikes." They don't dare show up now. The
suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it
impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators
started looking.

http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

Oh, you don't understand. These people have supernatural powers, probably
part of the Illuminati, the true illuminati. They are aided by knowing the
real DaVinci code that was the ORIGINAL plan for 9/11.

You really are insane.

And

Full of plain every day hate and bigotry.

Thousands of educated people disagree with you.
Educated people get that way because they are not insane and have near zero
bigotry.

My name is Mark Draper. I live in North Palm Beach, FL. My email is
webmaster @101click.com You can look up the DNS registratration and
confirm my identity. F' it....call me on the phone if ya like. But
to any action-conspiracy-freaks who dare mess w/ me, let it be known
that I do exercise my Second Amendment rights. Now it's your turn to
show me what an anonymous ahole is all about. What's you name and
address?

I'm truly sorry about your condition. Very glad you are getting
better.
Could Lyme cause paranoia? Not being a smartass w/ that question.

I think Limbaugh is a blow hard. But if you'd like something to sink
your hate into, let it be known I'm a big Ann Coulter fan.

God Bless,
Mark (aka "Joel")

Man, don't you know? Ben Laden is a Jew in disguise and really a second
cousin to Bush. Get with it.

We must not forget the collusion the gods had in this. Bush is really Zeus
in disguise.

Millions? Gee, millions. Peanuts except to the uneducated.

Oh, now we know, the business of fucking. Thank you, hate pimp.

Gee, you don't suppose they have different traditions than you do???
Did you notice that almost all Europeans are left handed. Videos prove it.

Videos prove beyond any doubt that the English don't know which side is up
on a fork and often they are so stupid they mistake their saucer for a cup.

Thank you for again illustrating what people without an education fall for.

It's my email addy. Sorry confused you with another...we have anonymous
pricks screwing up this newsgroup...I'm also a big fan of that Second
Amendment right. Live in Humble, TX.

It can and does do pretty much everything. Find a disease and you'll
probably find borrelia.

Is there a difference?

LOL I used to trade derivatives for Bear Stearns. I'm series 7 and 63.
And technically speaking, selling an equity short is simply selling it
before you buy it. A short contract pertains to futures and options
trading.

5 million is nothing in the options/futures market. and there's
imbalances all the time on any given day. arbitrage traders routinely
trade blocks of index derivatives worth hundreds of millions simply
based on black-scholes calculations.

the fact that you'd even use a 5 million trade to support your argument
shows how little you knowabout the derivatives markets. you sound like
doctor ecil asking for ONE MILLION DOLLARS or he'll blow up the world.

as for the volume of contracts traded, the open interest was not out of
line with the trading history. look up the graph for yourself.

this is just silly.

have fun

I'm rubber and you're glue...

blah,blah,blah.

May want to have something of interest to post before typing it out
next time.

Vern your stupidity cracks me up and btw I'm college educated and was
one of the smartest workers in each corporation I worked for. PGE,
Exxon, and Tractebell to name a few. I was a Mark to Market analyst.

All of this is details and you're trying to find a small one to break
the thread. you have not.
It boils down to this. WTC7, which was never hit by a plane, which had
similar buildings nearer to the WTC1 & 2 which did not fall, which
Silverstein told the firemen to "pull", which people where seen on a
video stating it was going to fall, which had all the telltales signs
of a controlled demolition, FELL. It was a controlled
demolition...period. The government can in no way explain and as of yet
they have not.

Nice try...yes as a whole it's not much but when we're talking about a
specific company it can be. especially if there a huge swing in the
price which there was. you know better than that.

Gosh, you mean to say that an international plot involving something in the
order of 600 to 700 million dollars and requiring the knowledge by thousands
of people making about 4 - 5 million is a bad investment? Don't tell
Brent. But, then, again EVERYONE knows how stupid the Israelites are.

Limbaugh is an entertainer. The problem is that in his satire, he gets way
too close to the ignorant truth of many in the U.S. Personally, I can take
about 2 or 3 minutes and have to switch stations.

Ann Coulter HAS to be part of the group that downed WTC, she has made way
more money with her books than the stock trading by those nasty Israelites.
Imagine making that much money in a couple years just by pulling the tail of
an ass. It is really fun to watch.

To very small minds, anything seems large.

And you are an architect or have worked around them?
You have worked with demolition people?
SURE

And you have seen exact replications of the tower construction demonstrated
as unsafe in any area subject to earth tremors.
They collapsed in a classic manner.

It is unconscionable to construct a building that tall with only horizontal
and vertical beams.

What are you blabbering about. It's not about these investments it's
about guess what? oil. We now have bases all around the oil pipelines
in Iraq. Israel has america in a war against their enemy. You probably
believe there were WMDs don't you? Stop getting your news from FOX. It
rots your brain.

>

What other type beams are there?

7 World Trade Center
The Mysterious Leveling of Building 7
This image, showing the site of WTC 7, is a small portion of a large
high-resolution photograph taken by an airplane flying at 3,300 feet on
September 23, 2001. It appears that much of the building's remains have
already been removed.

At 5:20 PM on 9/11/01 the only building with a World Trade Center
address that stood on a different block from the rest of the complex,
47-story steel-framed 7 World Trade Center, underwent a sudden total
collapse. Officials and all government reports published since the
attack that mention the building blame its collapse on a combination of
structural damage and subsequent fires. However, the available evidence
on the condition of Building 7 prior to its collapse fails to document
more than superficial structural damage (from the "collapses" of the
Twin Towers) and small isolated fires.

The official explanations of WTC 7's collapse are problematic for
several reasons:

* Fire has never caused any steel-framed high-rise building to
collapse in any manner, let alone with the vertical precision of
Building 7's destruction. 1 Other steel-framed skyscrapers have
experienced far more serious fires than Building 7.
* WTC 7 fell straight down, which necessitated that all of the
load-bearing columns be broken at the same moment. Inflicting such
damage with the precision required to prevent a building from toppling
and damaging adjacent buildings is what the science of controlled
demolition is all about. No random events, such as the debris damage
and fires envisioned by the official reports, or explosions from fuel
tanks proposed by some, could be expected to result in such a tidy and
complete collapse.
* The collapse of WTC 7 exhibited all of the features of a standard
controlled demolition. To suppose that a cause other than controlled
demolition could produce an event with all of the features uniquely
characteristic of controlled demolition defies logic.

FEMA on Building 7

Despite the inescapable logic of the above, the official theory for the
collapse, as published in Chapter 5 of the FEMA report goes as follows:

* At 9:59 AM (after the South Tower collapse), electrical power to
the substations in WTC 7 was shut off.
* Due to a design flaw, generators in WTC 7 started up by
themselves.
* Debris from the collapsing North Tower breached a fuel oil pipe
in a room in the north side of the building. (This means the debris had
to travel across WTC 6 and Vesey Street -- a distance of at least 355
feet -- penetrate the outer wall of WTC 6, and smash through about 50
feet of the building, including a concrete masonry wall.)
* This, and other debris (that also made the journey across
Building 6 and Vesey Street), managed to start numerous fires in the
building. (Unfortunately, this event did not prompt anyone to turn off
the generators.)
* The backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil
pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel oil (diesel)
was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where
it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel.
* The extant fires raised the temperature of the spilled fuel oil
to the 140 degrees F required for it to ignite.
* The sprinkler system malfunctioned and failed to extinguish the
fire.
* The burning diesel fuel heated trusses to the point where they
lost most of their strength, precipitating a total collapse of Building
7.

The last point is the greatest stretch, since it asks us to believe
that an event that would be expected only to cause the sagging of a
floor instead led not only to total collapse, but to such a tidy
collapse that directly adjacent buildings were scarcely even damaged.
This is surprising behavior for a steel-framed skyscraper designed to
survive fires, hurricanes, and earthquakes.

After laying out this highly improbable scenario, the FEMA report
authors conclude:
The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to
collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on
the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis
has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research,
investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.

Unfortunately for investigators hoping to resolve this issue, nearly
all of the evidence had already been destroyed by the time the FEMA
report was published.
Documents and Command Center Destroyed

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to
numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four
thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the
relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. 2

Perhaps even more interesting than the loss of these case files is the
fact that WTC 7's collapse destroyed the OEM's command center on the
23rd floor

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

I assume you thought I was serious.
I was stating what many actually think, assuming they have the capability of
thinking.

Jew haters are all alike.

What a clod.
Even a highschool student knows what other type beams there are other than
vertical and horizontal.
Get an education and find out how real buildings are built and how even a
three story building is often built in the Southwest and always in S. Cal.

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The above is not horizontal or vertical. Those cants ( note not Jewish
Cantor) are what is used in real construction.

Oh just for you, here is a definition of cant.
1. a salient angle.
2. a sudden movement that tilts or overturns a thing.
3. a slanting or tilted position.
4. an oblique line or surface, as one formed by cutting off the corner
of a square of cube.
5. an oblique or slanting face of anything.
6. Civil Engineering. (def. 6).
7. a sudden pitch or toss.
8. Also called flitch. a partly trimmed log.
-adjective 9. oblique or slanting.
-verb (used with object) 10. to bevel; form an oblique surface upon.
11. to put in an oblique position; tilt; tip.
12. to throw with a sudden jerk.
-verb (used without object) 13. to take or have an inclined position; tilt;
turn.

NOT HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL

You can copy print all you want and you cannot overcome the thousands of
EXPERT architects and demolition experts that have a good laugh at your
quoted idiocy.

I'm not an expert nor never claimed to be. I Iet the BYU physics
professors among many others do the science. PLEASE for the hundreth
time back up your claims on the thousands of EXPERTS. If you can't then
your a proven LIAR. I'll await your answer.

Let's see.

1. There are thousands of architectural engineers. (of course you wouldn't
know that) (Do a web search)
2. There are about a thousand demolition companies, filled with experts.
(of course you wouldn't know that either) (Do a web search)
3. Both of the above work, not theorize, in the field. (Now that premise is
way above your head or an EX BYU PHYSICS teacher)
4. It's hard to imagine any who missed seeing the films. (Another premise
also above your head)
5. None of these have come forward to even suggest any collusion. (Why
would they go out of their way to say what happened was AS presented?)

Bush is not God.
Bush is not omnipotent
The CIA / FBI at the time was no where near being controlled or formulated
by any existing government. (officially they were, but they had become
nearly independent of administration)
There have been plenty of retirees, new job people from the agencies, many
disgruntled and ONE makes a dumb claim.

Oh, I forgot, you people think the Jews are actually in control and have
eliminated all dissidents.

========================

LMAO .... that's good!

I'd like to see someone like Vernon get a show on Comedy Central or HBO
as a counter-point to Jon Stewart/Bill Maher

I never claimed anything about Jews in control. Kindly stick that BS
back up your ass. I'm not searching anything. You made the claim and
apparently you cannot back it up. I'm not surprised. As far as the BYU
proffesor he resigned to continue his work. Thats all the time I plan
on wasting on you. btw Vernon tell your bosses they aint getting away
with it...the list of patriots will grow.

50 Senior Military, Intelligence, & Govt. Critics of 9/11 Commission

Berg, Philip J. - Deputy Attorney General, Pennsylvania
Bowman, Col. Robert - Director of Advanced Space Programs Development
under Presidents Ford and Carter
Burks, Fred - State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W.
Bush and Bill Clinton
Christison, William - Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and
Political Analysis
Cleland, Senator Max - Member of the 9/11 Commission. Former U.S.
Senator from Georgia
Cole, John M - Intelligence Operations Specialist, FBI
Conrad, David Mark - Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs
Costello, Edward J. - Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
Dew, Rosemary N. - Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism &
Counterintelligence, FBI
Dzakovic, Bogdan - Counterterrorism expert, FAA
Edmonds, Sibel - Language Translation Specialist, FBI
Elson, Steve - Special Agent, FAA
Fitts, Catherine Austin - Assistant Secretary of Housing under George
H.W. Bush
Freeh, Louis - Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001
Goodman, Melvin - Division Chief and Senior Analyst of Soviet Affairs,
CIA
Goulder, Morton - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under
Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter
Graf, Mark - Security Supervisor, Department of Energy
Graham, Gilbert M. - Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI
Heikal, Mohamed Hassanein - Foreign Minister, Egypt
Hellyer, Paul - Minister of National Defense and Deputy Prime Minister,
Canada
Honegger, Barbara - White House Policy Analyst Under Ronald Reagan
Ivashov, Gen. Leonid - Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces
Kleiman, Diane - Special Agent, U.S. Customs
Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Karen - Political Military Affairs Officer,
Office of the Secretary of Defense
Larkin, Lynne A. - Operation Officer, CIA
MacMichael, David - Senior Estimates Officer, CIA
McGovern, Raymond L. - Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA
Meacher, Michael - Undersecretary for Industry, Minister for the
Environment, UK
Nelson, Col. George - U.S. Air Force aircraft crash investigator
Pahle, Theodore J. - Senior Intelligence Officer, Defense Intelligence
Agency
Peck, Edward L. - Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on
Terrorism under Ronald Reagan
Ray, Col. Ronald D. - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under
Ronald Reagan
Reynolds, Morgan - Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under
George W. Bush
Ritter, Maj. Scott - Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief UN
Weapons Inspector in Iraq
Roberts, Paul Craig - Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under
Ronald Reagan
Rokke, Maj. Douglas - Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project
Sarshar, Behrooz - Language Translation Specialist, FBI
Shayler, David - Counterterrorism Agent, MI5 (UK)
Stubblebine, Maj. Gen. Albert - Commanding General, U.S. Army
Intelligence
Sullivan, Brian F. - Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA
Tortorich, Larry J. - US Naval Officer and Dept. of Homeland Security
Turner, Jane A. - Special Agent, FBI
Vincent, John B. - Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
von Buelow, Andreas - Minister of National Defense, West Germany
Weldon, Rep. Curt - Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee
Whitehurst, Dr. Fred - Supervisory Special Agent, Forensic Examiner,
FBI
Wittenberg, Capt. Russ - Air Force Fighter Pilot and Commercial Jet
Pilot
Wright, Col. Ann - U.S. Army and Former Diplomat
Zipoli, Matthew J. - Special Response Team Officer, Department of
Energy
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Nice wacky conspiracy theory that does not address the facts.

Do you have a point to make?

Oh, I see. You seem to "THINK" that Israel was somehow responsible.

Before this post, I just thought you were stupid. Now I know you are a
moron.

Plenty strange...since it is not possible to confirm your conjecture.

Uh-oh...a bad word. So, you do not want to admit your are a paid
bullshit artist?

Just admit that Lyme caused your brain damage to allow you to believe
these bullshit conspiracies. I'll be on your side.

Zoooooooooooooooooooooom...you missed the point....do you know anything
about stock trading?

Thought so. I cannot explain the mechanism of stock trading, so I did
not jump in. However, your points are right on. The whole stock selling
yarn is utter bullshit.

Could you take a moment to fully explain why selling short as alleged by
BrentB is absurd in this case?

Use small words.

Vernon, could you email me at mark{dot}probert{at}gmail{dot}com?

No, I never said that. I think silverstein knew, I think there are
those in Israel who knew. Who they are and how much the knew is
speculation.

So are you stating all these people have brain damage due to Lyme? Are
they all morons?

You missed it. I caught him trying to obfuscate the issue. Know what a
Mark to Maket analyst is? I'll explain it as soon as you answer my
question concerning patriotic morons.

What's absurd is not the selling short. But the size and type of
trade that BrentB offers as suspect irregularity is laughable. It is a
very common trade that occurs many times every day. Also, there are
many other types of trading vehicles that someone would use to take
advantage of higher leverage if he had a "sure thing."

Let me make a comparison to everyday events to illustrate the absurdity
of BrentB's contention. Let's say there was a truck going 20 mph over
the speed limit that was stopped by a cop as it headed out of NYC.
Let's say that this incident occured only 10 minutes before the planes
hit the WTC. Then let's say officer BrentB implicates the truck driver
in the WTC attack based on the following facts:

1) The truck was heading OUT of NYC.
2) The truck was going over the speed limit!
3) The truck was owned by an Israeli company!

The comparison is a bit strained, but you get the idea of the loose
parameters BrentB is using as damning circumstantial evidence.

What, not the loosechange site?

In case you didn't know, and which you probably do, NEVER give out personal
information like you just did. It's not safe to do. People actually do
come to you, call employers and/or friends, or do all kinds of unsafe
things. You can delete this in Google but it probably wouldn't help. Try
to be safe. Am I worried about this stalking kind of stuff, you bet.

Anyways, on a different note, I am in South FL. Don't you love the weather
we finally are getting? Right now it's early but I am hoping that the
humidity is low. It's been so sticky and hot. I have to work today and
part of it is outside measuring so cool, low humidity would be very welcomed
by me.

Did you go to school down here? The reason I ask is your name sounds very
familiar to me. I was raised in S. FL and even had my son at Good Sams many
years ago. UM MOM Susan

>

No Longer The Minority: 82% Plus Support Charlie Sheen
Over four-fifths back his public stance on 9/11

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 24 2006

Despite the best efforts of the now whimpering attack poodles of the
mainstream media, an online CNN poll shows that over four-fifths, or 82
per cent, agree with actor Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government
covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks.

Every establishment media mouthpiece aside from CNN tried to hang Sheen
on his own words but it simply didn't work because those same questions
are firing the synapses in the heads of millions upon millions of other
taxpaying American citizens.

We are now in the majority and the cynics are beginning to feel the
breeze of fear as they desperately cling to ignorant dogmas spoon fed
to them by an empire in descent, while in the back of their mind and in
their soul knowing that they have sided with the wrong team and the
wrong side of history.

As of Friday morning you can still vote in the poll and I encourage you
to do so by clicking here. A.J. Hammer and CNN Showbiz Tonight need to
be given their due as the only mainstream television news show to give
balanced coverage of serious 9/11 questions.

This is a watershed moment in the struggle to create a powerful,
educated and active contingent of individuals with no hierarchical
structure but with a unified cause.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_cnn_poll_shows_82_percent_support.htm

Almost for certain.

None that you list have any real credibility in engineering or demolition.

They seem to be suffering from some disease.

You have no clue what sell short is. You fell for a story designed to
illustrate what fools you and your kind are.

Oh sure Charlie Sheen, another engineer (taught by Barbra Streisand)

Yep, people all over the world knew and no one else knew. But then again
those people are all powerful gods called demons.

lol vern...I expected that type of answer from you. That's why I didn't
ask YOU the question.

They have no credibility in the subject, other than that disgruntled
liberals or ex employees.

Now Stubby it would be a bit obvious if they made billions of dollars
off of it don't you think? Are you in with Vernon on this theory that
the 50 reputable people who are critics of 9-11 have some sort of
disease? this is funny!

Thousands of "reputable" people put Hitler into power, but when it came to
science and engineering, they actually performed.
Those same "reputable" people said almost the identical trash your
"reputable" people say. Claims of conspiracies, bad America, bad England,
bad Jews, bad capitalists.

Sooo...what your saying is...these "reputable" people are really evil
nazis in disguise?

Good advice. I should know.

My friends in your area are more pleased about the lack of hurricanes
this year.

I did, numbnuts. Do make sure that you figure out a way to explain how
that website was able to get opinions from a dead president, and one
with advanced Alzheimer's.

His parameters do no rise to circumstantial evidence.

SmurfBoy, your fallacious use of logic is astounding. Let's parse what
you typed...

You said "I think silverstein [sic] knew..."

You do acknowledge that this is conjecture, as you state "I think".
While it is debatable that you actually do "think" we'll assume that to
be a true statement, i.e., that you "think".

You then did the same exact thing when you stated "...I think there are

In both cases, you are clearly expressing your conjecture, and nothing
more.

Then you claim that "Who they are and how much they knew is
speculation." Of course, that statement assumes that 1) "they" exist and
2) that "they" knew something.

IOW, your statement is all mirrors, and quite circular. It holds as much
water as a Klein bottle.

Where did you find that? There are many causes of brain damage.

Are
> they all morons?

I looked at your list. I checked some out. None of them have civil
engineering degrees or direct experience with imploding buildings.

A HS classmate of mine does. He has a MS in CE and has owned an
imploding company for over twenty years. Some of his handiwork is
featured on the Discovery Channel.

He knows my connections to the WTC, and the several of the people who
died. We had long discussions about the weirdo conspiracy theories. He
looked at every publicly available video of all three buildings
collapsing and told me that none of them were imploded. Not one.

I'll take his word over anyone else's.

I also took a look at the list with a view as to whether anyone on the
list would have their opinion, as you claim, publicly available. They are:

Louis Freeh
Jimmie Carter
Bill Clinton
Richard Nixon
Ronald Reagan

Now, go do some homework. Find actual proof that any one of these four
men bought into the yarns about 9/11 that you are shilling.

BTW, Being the really nice guy I am, let me point out that Nixon died in
1994. So, please make sure that whatever you cite about him, also make
sure that it documents how they learned of his opinion.

As for Ronald Reagan, by the time 9/11 happened, his Alzheimer's was
quite advanced and there was no public contact. Do find a way to get
around this hurdle.

That leave you with three. Good luck, and happy hunting.

What a maroon!

Just answer the question. You state that anyone who is a critic of the
9-11 government line is brain damaged and/or a moron. I will repeat the
question are all the 50 reputable people (imo) brain damaged and/or
morons. a simple yes or no will do.

Thats all fine and good. Shouldn't this be openly debated and looked
into, seeing as how most americans do not believe the government line?
Do the peoples voice count?

Yes.
There a LOT of them in the government and Universities.
More brain damaged / malfunction / cognitive aberration than simply moron.

Of course you expanded the line to ANYONE who is critical.
No one has stated any thing that can be construed as ANYONE WHO IS CRITICAL
of the 9-11 line.

Most people do not believe the government(see CNN and zogby polls) so I
suppose most americans are brain damaged morons who are brainwashed by
evil nazis trying to take over the world. I must assume Mark agrees
with your assesment due to his inability to answer the question.

One of them, Ronald Reagan, probably could have been described as
"brain damaged", as he was in an advanced stage of Alzheimer's when he
was supposed to be giving a considered opinion on the matter. I don't
know whether Richard Nixon was either, what with him being dead at the
time.
--
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Didn't you claim that something like 82% of the American people believe
that there is a cover up? I could not find a credible reference to that.
Got one?

You should realize that I live in the area impacted by the WTC attacks.
I lost friends, neighbors, etc. as a result.

NO ONE I KNOW feels that there is a cover-up. The 9/11 Commission did a
superb job of investigating it. Did you read their report cover to
cover? I did. There were library discussions with many of the
participants being first responders who were there at the time. NONE
claim implosion or hearing explosions.

No, and I see no proof that they hold that opinion. You dishonestly
snipped my comments about how that list is incredibly flawed.

Do prove, as I asked, that those on the list hold the opinion you claim
that they do. I'll cut and past my comments and the list for your
convenience. Here it is, with my comments. Do try to actually address
the flaws.

Here is the list of critics and their comments. I did not see Ronal
Reagan on the list but I did see those who worked for him. Are these
people reputable or are they brain damaged nazis trying to take over
the country as Vernon claims? (third time asked and not answered).

FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS

Congressman Curt Weldon, "What's the Sept. 11 commission got to hide?"

Rep. Curt Weldon

Rep. Curt Weldon - Vice Chairman of the House Homeland Security
Committee, Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.
Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania.

* Fox News Article 8/28/05: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "There's
something very sinister going on here that really troubles me," Weldon
told FOX News on Thursday, blasting the Sept. 11 commission for not
taking the claims more seriously. He said some panel members were
trying to smear Shaffer and Able Danger. "What's the Sept. 11
commission got to hide?" Weldon asked." http://www.foxnews.com/...

* Press conference transcript 9/17/05: Regarding the 9/11
Commission Report "There's something wrong here, something tragically
wrong. The American people, the families, the country and the Congress
need to know the truth, the whole truth, the complete truth. And so far
we haven't gotten it. ... Somebody's got to connect the dots and answer
the questions. If the 9/11 Commission won't do it, then Congress has to
do it." http://www.globalresearch.ca/...

* Bio: http://curtweldon.house.gov/Biography/

Max Cleland, The 9/11 Commission is a national scandal.

Senator Max Cleland

Senator Max Cleland - Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned
in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the
Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia
1996-2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982-1996. Administrator of
the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded
Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee
from war injuries.

* Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit
access to White House documents], I, as a member of the commission,
cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of
victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is
now compromised." http://www./...

* Salon Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a
national scandal." http://dir.salon.com/...

* Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03

* Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will
have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to
America. But this White House wants to cover it up."
http://www.democracynow.org/...

* Bio: http://memory.loc.gov/...

Mark Dayton

Senator Mark Dayton

Senator Mark Dayton - Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services. U.S. Senator
from Minnesota.

* Senate Hearings on the 9/11 Commission Report 7/31/04: "They
[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they
lied to your 9/11 Commission. ... For almost three years now NORAD
officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical
failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst
hours in our history." http://www.911truth

* Editor's note: On August 1, 2006, Thomas Kean, Chairman of the
9/11 Commission said, "We, to this day, don't know why NORAD [the North
American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us. It was just so
far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got
tied." Link Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners
and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a
single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for
lying to the 9/11 Commission.

* Article: "Dayton, a former Minnesota state auditor, called the
FAA's and NORAD's failures "the most gross incompetence and dereliction
of responsibility and negligence that I've ever, under those extreme
circumstances, witnessed in the public sector." http://www.9111

* Bio: http://dayton.senate.gov/about/biography.cfm

Louis Freeh

Louis Freeh - Director of the FBI, 1993-2001. Former U.S. District
Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by
President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in
New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army
JAG Corps Reserve.

* Wall Street Journal Essay 11/17/05: "Even the most junior
investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta
in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many
times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11
Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically
significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the
failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its
findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility
and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission
historically insignificant itself. ... No wonder the 9/11 families were
outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to
investigate." http://www.opin/...

* Bio: http://www.fbi.gov/libref/directors/freeh.htm

Ambassador Edward Peck, We request an immediate re-investigation of
9/11

Edward L. Peck

Edward L. Peck - Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on
Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert
Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and
Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977-80). 32-year veteran of the Foreign
Service.

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. ... As Americans of
conscience, we ask for four things:
o An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General
Eliot Spitzer
o Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
o Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
o The formation of a truly independent citizens-based
inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ...

* Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Peck

Morton Goulder

Morton Goulder - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for
Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter
(1973-77). Founder of Sanders Associates.

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. ... As Americans of
conscience, we ask for four things:
o An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General
Eliot Spitzer
o Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
o Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
o The formation of a truly independent citizens-based
inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ...

Morgan Reynolds, "We can prove the government's story is false."

Morgan Reynolds

Morgan Reynolds, PhD - Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor
under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal
Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor
Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

* Video: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when
the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. ... We can prove that the
government's story is false." http://video.goo...

* Essay: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific
debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and
building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I
believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis
is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...

* Bio: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=bio

Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD - Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury
under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor
of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for
Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.

* Essay: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building,
much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed.
Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation
of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...

* Essay: "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore
the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that
if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against
calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations."
http://www.counterpunc....

* Bio: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/bio.htm

Catherine Austin Fitts, "The Commission was a whitewash."

Catherine Austin Fitts

Catherine Austin Fitts - Assistant Secretary of Housing under George
H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall
Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co

* Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11 "The official story could
not possibly have happened... It's not possible. It's not
operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45
minutes into the file.) http://157....

* Essay: "The first category of people who benefited were those who
are guilty and complicit in designing, implementing and financing the
9-11 operation. On such a sophisticated and successful covert
operation, the people responsible would have had budgets and financing
and would have organized the operation to maximize their political and
financial benefits." http://globalresearch.ca/...

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11.
http://www.911truth.org/article ...

* Bio: http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html

John Loftus

John Loftus

John Loftus - Former investigator and Federal Prosecutor, Office of
Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents
Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Former U.S. Army Intelligence officer.
Currently author and frequent media commentator on terrorism and
intelligence services.

* Article 9/6/03: "The information provided by European
intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no
longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of
incompetence." http://www.guardian.co.

* Bio: http://www.harrywalker.com...

Fred Burks, "How is it possible that our military's highly touted
missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes
it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense
system of the U.S.?"

Fred Burks

Fred Burks - Former State Department Interpreter for Presidents
George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Al
Gore, Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright.
18-year State Department career.

* Essay: "How is it possible that our military's highly touted
missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes
it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense
system of the U.S.? ...

An even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these
questions? Why isn't our military spending many millions of dollars to
find out why military defense systems failed on 9/11? Why is it that
the 9/11 commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the
Challenger Disaster or even the Monika Lewinsky
affair?"http://www.wanttoknow.info/911star...

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11.
http://www.911truth.org/...

Daniel Ellsberg

Daniel Ellsberg, PhD - Former Special Assistant to the Assistant
Secretary of Defense. Former State Department envoy to Viet Nam. While
working for the government, Ellsberg attained the ultimate civil
service grade of GS-18, equivalent to a Major General. Former U.S.
Marine Corps officer. Former military analyst for the Rand Corporation.
Most well known for leaking the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times
in 1971.

* Interview 7/14/06: Regarding 9/11 "There is no question in my
mind, that there is enough evidence to justify a very comprehensive and
hard hitting investigation of the kind we have not seen. With
subpoenas, general questioning of people, releasing a lot of documents.
There's no question that very serious questions have been raised
about how much they knew before hand and how much involvement there may
have been." http://www.infowars

* Bio: http://www.ellsberg.net/bio.html

Philip Berg, "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11
is a lie."

Philip J. Berg

Philip J. Berg, Esquire - Former Deputy Attorney General, State of
Pennsylvania.

* Article: "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11
is a lie." http://www.americanfreepress.net/...

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. ... As Americans of
conscience, we ask for four things:
o An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General
Eliot Spitzer
o Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
o Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
o The formation of a truly independent citizens-based
inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...

* Bio: http://www.911forthetruth.com/...

U.S. MILITARY OFFICERS

Albert Stubblebine

Major General Albert Stubblebine

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) - Commanding
General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981-84.
Also commanded the U.S. Army's Electronic Research and Development
Command and the U.S. Army's Intelligence School and Center. Former
head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical
Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

* Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of
the Army's Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical
Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet
equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the
Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to
have hit the Pentagon. And I said, 'The plane does not fit in that
hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's
going on?" http://www.und ...

* Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board....

Colonel Ronald Ray, "I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced
by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not
seem to suggest that's accurate."

Col. Ronald D. Ray

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) - Deputy Assistant
Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly
decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple
Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the
American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992
Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces.
>From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy
Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical
Center, Washington, D.C.

* Article: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under
the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and
Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official
story of 9/11 - calling it 'the dog that doesn't hunt.' 'I'm
astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration
could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's
accurate,' he said." http://www.pris/...

* Bio: http://www.firstprinciplespress.org/...

Colonel Robert Bowman, "A lot of these pieces of information, taken
together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory
of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible."

Col. Robert Bowman

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Director of Advanced
Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air
Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics
and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

* Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together,
prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11
is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible. ... There's a second group
of facts having to do with the cover up. ... Taken together these
things prove that high levels of our government don't want us to know
what happened and who's responsible. ...

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about
9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the
first place? When you take those three things together, I think the
case is pretty clear that it's highly placed individuals in the
administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the
very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the
people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive
cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of
impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say
that's much too kind, however even that is high treason and
conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go...

* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...

* Bio: http://bowman2006.com/about....

George Nelson, "With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon
crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that
a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged."

Col. George Nelson

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Former U.S. Air Force
aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year
Air Force career.

* Essay: "The government alleges that four wide-body airliners
crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of
more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft
evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of
the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential
evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. ...

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash
site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a
Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with
all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most
doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the
ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. ...

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives
and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome
and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be
involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."
http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson....

Douglas Rokke, "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash
site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building
and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete
walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the
damage, it was obviously a missile."

Major Douglas Rokke

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) - Former Director U.S. Army
Depleted Uranium Project.

* Article: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When
you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane
parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the
projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like
the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was
obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf....

Russ Wittenberg

Capt. Russ Wittenberg

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force - Former Air Force fighter
pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and
United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767,
and 777 's. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines
airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in
Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

* Article: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is
total B.S. plain and simple." ... Wittenberg convincingly argued there
was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended
7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree
banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall
without touching the lawn." ...