Pablo, Kevin, their Child Porn and their Cyberstalking

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OSP/LIA/3 ORIGINAL: English DATE: December 1, 1999 WORLD INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY ORGANIZATION GENEVA workshop on service provider liability

Geneva, December 9 and 10, 1999 NOTICE AND TAKE-DOWN AGREEMENTS IN
PRACTICE IN EUROPE VIEWS FROM THE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRIES AND THE RECORDING INDUSTRY prepared by
Dr. Nils Bortloff, Legal Advisor, International Federation of the
Phonographic Industry (IFPI), London and
Ms. Janet Henderson, Rights Strategy Manager, BT Internet and
Multimedia Services, London

"Displacement ; to counter the possibility of any monitoring
activities, it is common to place material in an area where one would
not expect to find it. This is particularly prevalent in the case of
newsgroups; for example illegal pornographic pictures have been posted
in alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus."
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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/5th/0041299cr0.html&friend=washingtonpost

IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
No. 00-41299
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Plaintiff-Appellee
v.
RONALD SCOTT PAUL
Defendant-Appellant

Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Southern District of Texas
November 19, 2001

"Exhibit Two was an e-mail exchange between Paul and
Stewart Anderson on October 29, 1999, in which Anderson warned
Paul not to post on the newsgroup
alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus, as this newsgroup was
considered illegal and hackers could find out the identities
of those posting messages. Anderson advised Paul to view or
download pictures rather than post to newsgroups, and told him
that it might be safe to post "innocent" pictures in a
newsgroup called alt.binaries.pictures.boys. Paul replied to
Anderson, thanking him for the advice and stating: "It was me.
I'm still very new at this and don't understand the do's and
don'ts. But with help for [sic] friends I'll learn, hopefully
before I get busted for something I don't understand."

Exhibit Three was an e-mail exchange between Paul and an
unidentified individual calling himself "Ghost Writer." Paul
asked Ghost Writer whether a series of symbols that he had
seen in a newsgroup was a picture or a code and how to read
it. When Ghost Writer responded that he was unsure, Paul
replied: "It is there. I think I'm doing it right. I'm not
downloading anything and I'm not posting now, Caveman clued me
in on that."

Exhibits Four and Five are e-mails from Paul to Anderson
dated October 30 and 31, 1999, in which Paul stated his desire
to give Anderson three books with titles suggesting that they
contained child pornography. Paul told Anderson that he could
pay the postage, but that otherwise the books would be a gift."

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http://adoptionworld.org/awi/porn/netabuse.html
Stamp Out Child Abuse on the Net

Child pornography is growing at an alarming rate on the internet.

Here are a few of the newsgroups alt.binaries.pictures.boys
alt.binaries.pictures.girls
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.boys
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.girls
alt.fan.prettyboy
alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus
alt.binaries.pedophelia
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen
alt.sex.pre-teens
alt.sex.children

UPDATE:
June 27 1999
Here we go!!! One of the largest kiddie porn distributors, movies, has
been arrested in Russia. This is a major event as this group publishes
over 35% of all sales in the area of underage pornography (graphic).

UPDATE
March 29 2000
More good news, there was another arrest of a large pornography ring in
the USA. We can not give out the specifics due to legal advice, but
this was a major shutdown and more children will be saved.

http://www.vachss.com/help_text/archive/ring_2.html

Five Charged In Overseas Kiddie Porn Ring
U.S. Web Site Allegedly Served as Gateway
By David Noack

Originally published at APBnews.com, April 14, 2000
DALLAS (APBnews.com) - A Texas couple's Web site served as a gateway
to a world of kiddie porn, providing access to sites based in Russia
and Indonesia that showed children as young as 4 years old engaged in
sex acts, federal prosecutors said.

Source:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/
Czech Republic - République Tchèque - Rep. Checa Prague

http://www.ageofconsent.com/czechrepublic.htm

Tedy po precteni vyse zminenych clanku potrebujete znat uz jen jedine:
jmena on-topic
diskuznich skupin.
Zdaleka nejlepsi je alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen , pote
nasleduje
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.ll-series . Specielne v prvne jmenovane,
pokud mate
dobry newsserver, by melo byt tak 10.000 hlavicek, spousty obrazku a
filmu.
Koho zajimaji chlapecci, ten by si nemel nechat ujit
alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus

BARF!!!!!!!

Web child porn ring broken
International ring included parents abusing own children
August 10, 2002 Posted: 4:18 AM EDT (0818 GMT)

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/09/internet.child.porn.bust/index.html

I personally know of at least two child counselors who stopped
participating on usenet for quite some time following the bust referred
to below.

58 posts......posted to alt.magick---ALL nuked.

8 authors contributed to the thread.

1) !Pablo, from alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus, as well as predator
of a young man posting to the teen and gay teen ngs,

2)Convicted child molester Mark D. Morin

3)a sicko trolling teen pen pal ngs using the name Leon.MacFadden,

4) a sicko using the nym "Grrrr" of AST ---whom I believe is probably
LP...

5) John Price...

6) A school teacher considering reporting the molestation of a student
to authorites.

7) one post by Andrew

8) one post by an unknown author using the nym Crazed Lunatic...

The very same week...the ranking members of the SPP lying stalking
filth had their big pow wow in alt.magick---there were some interesting
posts about Kevin F, Ian Rennie...and others of their sordid
background in alt.magick---along with a thread called "You people talk
too much."

As Janet Reno said in her 1999 report...cyberstalking is engaged in by
child pornographers and baby rapists.....

I wish they would nuke Kali's FAQs which includes the address of some
property I own along with the sordid disinformation she spread
throughout cyberspace.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

{ Disclaimer: Non Existent words contained within this poast
were created in response to the Paperwork Reduction Act.}
{If you have a problem with that,
take it to the Environmentalists Complaint Dept.}

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Even if she doesn't nuke them or admit she was wrong, I can sit her
smug with the satisfaction of knowing that she must have felt completely
threatened by little ole PT 9971 winning, which makes her a luser!! ;)

The netdead: a foul and wasteful stench.

card xii

Well, perhaps if and when I decide to sell that piece of property and if
it has any reduction in the sales price due to the FAQ's ( Realtors have
a name for property for events like death and internet targets of the
malicious kind), then I can claim a monetary loss.
So
The only foul odor is yours and kym barnard's...............
And yes, I am stating that if and when I sell that property, if I incur
a loss, you betcha, we will be seeing each other in court. So I hope
you have your oars and ducks in the water.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©
1988.

A Free Thinker. © 2003

And Dan since you are a behavioral PH.D in psych, then I suggest you not
push it further by taunting me, cuz I may just put the property on the
market, just to avoid any further snide remarks from people like you!

The netdead keep clawing at those who live.
The netdead press against the doors of the living, trying to
live off the vibrant energies of the living.

A foul stench.

card xii

Consider filing requests for information via the FOIA about any
relationship which the psycho's and/or felons who participated in the
gang stalking/harassment and global defamation of you may have had to
the allegedly defunct FBI-DCS-NSA Stalker Division (#5 in Denver).

I am.

PS: Allegedly, the Stalker Divison was shutdown in November 2005.

The netdead are going to be taking home a portion of your monthly
paycheck. The netdead are going to take a piece of your assets and
hitting you in the wallet...

"Gore, L" wrote:

I finally have a substantial financial loss.
This is no small time pay the sheriff for live scan of fingerprints, and
add in the kinkos charges.
No more APA
and they have finally fulfilled their self fulfilling prophecy of
screaming KOOKSUITS!!

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

In my case, *They* are psychiatric patients, drug addicts, child
porno collectors, child molesters, cross dressing drag queens, porno
writer/phone sex business owner, S & M freak, and assorted felons.

I have good reason to believe *They* were recruited by a Spc. Agent of
the Fuzzy Butt Institute aka Denver's Dirty Division # 5 aka The DCS
Stalkers to cyberterrorize me and mine for years.

So long as Denver's Dirty Division # 5 was an on-going operation---the
chances of my obtaining info about cyberterrorism of US citizens like
me were slim and none.

However, as of November 2005, the global outrage at Human Rights
Violations inherent in the *Tag-Team* Abusive Interrogation Tactics
employed against detainees in Abu Gharib and Carson City's Military
base appears to have led to the discontinuation of all operations whose
objective was psychological terrorism e.g. snap people's mind, which,
includes cyberterrorism of the sort engaged in by the SPP Stalkers
and their toadies.

Now, that it appears that a halt has been put to domestic contact
services involvement in the cyberterrorizing private citizens...I might
be able to obtain info via the FOIA about the blatant cyberterrorism of
me and mine, for years, in flagrant violation of dozens of state and
federal statutes.

I'm still sifting through the records, but, from what I can
see---you were being personally attacked, but considered *Off Limits*
for the full DN treatment right up until Pablo escalated his
cyberterrorism of me and mine to include his recruitment of the
SPP/AUK stalkers to assist him, then, then, Kapow, "They* went
after you with a vengence.

My theory is that *They* went after you with a vengence upon the
escalation of the terrorism of me and mine, because *They* wanted a
clear path to me, the target; therefore, afforded you the DN
treatment to neutralize you...to clear the path to me, and/or
cyberterroized you to deflect attention from their cyberterroizing me
and mine.

If either is true, then you have a case, same as me.

Hence, I am advising you to request info via the FOIA regarding any
involvement the Fuzzy Butt Institute aka Denver's Dirty Division # 5
aka DCS Stalkers had in the cyberterrorism of you for YEARS.

The reality is that targets of the SPP Stalkers need a court order to
get all the defamatory articles about them taken down from websites
around the globe, and, the only way that targets of the SPP
Stalkers gang stalking is going to obtain a court order of the scope
needed to have all defamatory articles about them taken down, is to
prove their defamation was a by-product of the dirty doings of the
Fuzzy Butt Institute.

I want ALL defamatory articles about me taken down----don't you want
that wrt you, too?

.

The alleged DCS Stalking operation by Denver's Dirty Division #5 of
the Fuzzy Butt Institute was allegedly halted owing to Human Rights
Violations.

Any and all lying stalking filth carrying on the Human Rights
Violations such as the "net death" BS may be doing so without the
protection being an agent/provocateur of Denver's Dirty Division # 5
aka the Fuzzy Butt Institute may have previously afforded the lying
stalking filth.

Be scrupulous in archiving all annoying, harassing, threatening
and/or dehumanizing articles *they* publish to or about you.

quite a kook you are, hoofy.

maybe you should start threatening death by thunderbolt upon your
enemies.

--
Dave Hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"I can't find my puppy, can you help me find him? I think he went
into this cheap motel room."
-Dave Hillstrom

>> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š

>> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

amazing. hoof'n'mouth selling property because of usenet teasing.

how much more owned can you get.

What's better is that other kook claiming that being ignored on usenet is
a "Human Rights Violation"

lol

--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7

get help sicko

>>>> Psychology. © 1988.

>>>> A Free Thinker. © 2003

now THATS fricken KOOKY!!!

>> >>> Psychology. Š 1988.

>> >>> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

did you hear something, TP?

Usenets sicko's don't realize they are sicko's

j

Fuck that, Goofy k'lamed that not having access to a telephone was a
human rights violation.

--

From: rock <r0...@operamail.DOT.dot.dot.com>
Message-ID: <i0jqg.67190$wA1....@fe03.news.easynews.com>
"RATZO IS RIGHT AND GOOD!!! ALL HAIL TEH MIGHTY RATZO!!!"
alt.hackers.malicious - Wanker Stomping Award - 2005

alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - May, 2005
alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - Jan, 2006

alt.usenet.kooks - Hammer of Thor - July, 2005

alt.flame - Worst Flame War - 2005

Please ask your admin to be adding alt.aratzio to your news server
alt.aratzio Usenet asshole Aratzio

David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005
Message-Id: <slrndlk3ae....@dformosa.zeta.org.au>
"But it is not isolated AUK has a massive impact the rest of usenet."

VjikQueen of soc.froot explaining sock paranoia:
Message-ID: <760l32t9k1upl5ilq...@4ax.com>
"Yep. Whether or not they're you, they're you, doesn't make no diff in
how I treat them."

The criminal stalking of Hoof has gone well beyond her being
relentlessly tracked and followed about, harassed, threatened and
defamed by a group of people comprised of long time psychiatric
patients, assorted felons, convicted child molesters, child porno
ngs subscribers etc.

The criminal stalking of Hoof included arson on her property
simultaneously to posts being posted about roasting a pig.

The criminal stalking of Hoof has included *Hactivism*.

The criminal stalking of Hoof included harassment of Hoof's local
sheriff.

The criminal stalking of Hoof included the filing of vindictive and
specious complaint against her with her professional organization

Etc.

so, cease minimizing the fact that the criminal harassment of Hoof has

included the full Diana Napolis treatment---with the same long term
goal ----given Hoof's is on a psych disability owing to PTSD.

> > >> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š

> > >> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Thank you Linda,
They are stupid.
In order for 'substantial financial damages' to be claimed, the property
would have to be sold inorder to claim a dollar amount for the damages.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Not good enough.

A group of people comprised of assorted felons, people with extensive
psychiatric histories, child molesters, child porno buffs, malicious
hackers, etc., cyberterrorized you for years, in a public unmoderated
ng having a global audience, in flagrant violation of dozens of state
and federal laws.

The aforementioned people cyberterrorized you for years, knowing full
well, that their cyberterrorizing Diana Napolis first on AOL, then,
on usenet, then all over the WWW, then,, IRL, for a total of 8
years, had driven Diana insane.

The aforementioned people cyberterrorized you for years, knowing full
well, that you were on a psych disability for PTSD owing to your being
severely traumatized TWICE; a)the suicide of the father of your
children, b) victim of a violent crime on your person.

There can't possibly exist any reasonable doubt that the objective of
the psycho's and felons and freaks cyberterrorizing you was to drive
you insane, just as they had DN.

Your training and work experience as a PT provided you knowledge
necesary to recognize the SPP stalkers and their felonious toadies and
spooges were employing extremely abusive psychological tactics to
intentionally harm targeted individuals.

You had to be neutralized.

Hence, you were cyberterrorized, too.

Now...get your butt busy filing FOIA requests for info about the dirty
doings of Denver's Dirty Division # 5 of the Fuzzy Butt Institute....so
your children will know what a truly valiant person their mother is/was
---in addition to their receiving compensation for the damage these
horrible people visited upon you by cyberterrorizing you for years.

IMHO....the same goes for Brad.

IMHO, Brad was cyberterrorized because of his outspoken criticism of
what the SPP stalkers and their toadies were doing to DN.

Brad had to be neutralized.

Hence, Brad was stalked, harassed, defamed and cyberterrorized,
too.

Brad, you and I require an official admission that psycho's, felons,
and freaks were recruited/incited to stalk, harass, defame and
cyberterrorize us for years....to get a court order to get ALL the
psycho's/felons/freaks defamatory articles taken down.

IMHO-FWIW.

?? when the same things gets posted repeatedly over a variety of groups
it pretty much loses any validity..

the 'get help sicko' has been directed at how many people now?

FYI, I believe I may have figured out a way to have an official
investigation into the cyberterrorism of me, you and Brad.

Have you ever heard Valerie Wilson?

She was aka Valerie Plume whose cover as a covert operator was blown
---an UNLAWFUL and TREASONOUS Act...since she undercover agent in
Iran's bid for nuclear power.

well, what Pablo did when Pablo knowingly exposed AC's cover in the
russian community to expose AC to unestimable danger was also unlawful
and treasonous.

A Federal crime.

That's how we are going to get a federal investigation into Pablo's
cyberterrorism and recruiting psycho's/felons/freaks to cyberterrorize
private citizens.....---eventually!

You are reinforcing the behavior by paying attention to it, though. :)

> > > > >> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š

> > > > >> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Please don't lose sight of their reasoning on stalking people on usenet
for sport or just vindictiveness.
They were operating under the assumption that their actions were only
considered 'misdemeanor crimes', not felony, and a necessary component
of Civil lawsuits is to be able to show monetary damages.
Since I am no longer working, I can't show damages, besides when they
turned in a complaint with my licensing board, the board shot them down.
My Hoof Prints Equine Photography site and the posts which degraded me
and turned me into some criminal, didn't net me enough money to prove
monetary damages for that business.
If I had been an owner operator of a Group Home, then I would be able to
show damages based on their malicious lies.

So the only way to show monetary damages is to sell the place, and let
the market decide how much damage I incurred due to their malicious
lies.

As far as my PTSD. The only thing I was split on was whether my husband
was murdered or committed suicide. It wasn't my personality that
split. ( I think that is a Kali thing, but she also held/holds a past
dx of Dissociative Disorder ).
Society at large veers away from people who have experienced that kind
of tragedy in their lives.
They don't look at the big picture which means that, the person who
commits suicide is also influenced by society and therefore, if they
think they failed at something, not just their family unit. In other
words they are not living within a bubble and other factors enter into
their decision.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

> > > > > >> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š

> > > > > >> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

His case if different from mine, not only on the surface, but the deeper
issues are vastly different.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

True...
But there can be no Time Out, without Time IN ! :)
Only with Dan, he is never going to allow any time in, which is not a
part of current behavior adjustment programs, in fact, with PRU 57 the
changes in the names of behavioral programs has changed to behavior
modification.
I am not being treated by Dan in that type of setting, however, there is
no way in hell that this 'new' hoof programming of extinction could pass
before a Human Rights Hearing Committee, because there is no positive
time in.

> > > > > > >> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©

> > > > > > >> A Free Thinker. © 2003

You have *my* permission to use their stalking of moi to support your
*claim*. I don't have a problem with that at all.
I am not certain what their problem is with ken pangborn, but they
harass him too. They may not have gone quite as far with him as they
did with me, Brad or yourself and Andrew as he is an Attorney-At-Law, so
they chickened out on taking things to the extreme.
>
> --
>
> Hoof
>
> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©

> A Free Thinker. © 2003

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©
1988.

A Free Thinker. © 2003

> > > > > > > >> "With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š

> > > > > > > >> A Free Thinker. Š 2003

You have *my* permission to show that the stalking of AC was not an
*isolated incident* in a Court of Law.
[NOTE please note the asterisks in isolated incident, it will/should
help in their persecution, for criminal purposes]

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Uhm... oh. Are you supposed to be "net dead," too? I'm way out of date
here, but you seem relatively benign.

I don't think net extinction qualifies as a human rights violation,
since there is no inherent right to attention, which is what is
supposedly being deprived, AFAIK.

Nevermind, I see you subscribe to certain people's unusual beliefs.

Only because you waste your time reading the posts of the psycho's,
felons and freaks cyberharassing you.

If you didn't read what those psycho's, freaks, and felons post---then,
the psycho's, felons and freaks behavior would have no impact on
your behavior.

So, stop reading their crazy BS. :-)

LOL!

I personally can't see what psycho's, freaks and felons making
believe SPP's only sane posters are dead will accomplish other then
provide concrete evidence of my assertion *they* are psycho's!

Dead people don't post.:-)

Was just thinking on the way to Home Depot.
Brad and Renee *might* be able to sue them for *loss of consortium*
along with their other causes of action.
Giarmo on the other hand *may* have had an increase in book sales due to
their malicious lies.
It's negative publicity, but it was still publicity which is capable of
arousing the public to buy his books rather than ban his books.
--------

I was declared Netdead, and then Kali aka Kymberly Barnard 'clarified'
her reasoning for the declaration of Net Dead by stating *she* was using
a behavior modification tool of *extinction*.
Extinction usually is used to make a behavior which is *unacceptable*,
extinct.
It is generally' paired' with a positive behavior like, recreational
behaviors, educational behaviors, etc. to replace the behavior they wish
to make extinct.

So being declared "net dead" is supposed to extinguish certain
behaviors. And what behaviors are being cultivated? Because if that was
not *also* clarified, she may have meant extinct like the dinosaurs.

You see Marcia, that when I write something like; She is denying my
right to access a telephone, I am speaking from a clinical behavioral
background, where if she were to be employed as a psychologist in a
behavioral setting, her plans and objectives would be under scrutiny
from Human Rights Committee's.
Kali is aiming for a doctorate in Psych., therefore sentences where she
threatens to keep people in their cells with a rubber hose, is frowned
upon, and I specifically attempted to point out where she used flawed
reasoning. Since I don't have a doctorate in psych, but only 20 years
in the field of clinical behavioral, she chose to take me to task, and
without me filing a claim against her professional organization she is
retaining her logic that she is correct, when in fact, she is wrong.
She doesn't like feeling threatened or being told by someone that she
holds as being in an ancillary position to her doctorate, that she is
still wet behind the ears, and knows not one wit 'beyond' what she is
currently learning in her schoolwork.

Err...If you are referring to JWE, then you have failed to keep
reading his website to keep yourself updated on the consequences on
his and his family being cyberterrorized by the Psycho's, felons and
freaks who been stalking us.

According to messages he posted to his website right before it changed
hands, JWE has sold his website, gotten a divorce and relocated to
Europe for the duration.

No sane person wants to be stalked by the psycho's, felons and freaks
who have been stalking Brad, you, me and JWE.

Until the authorities DO something about these psycho's, felons and
freaks stalking us...none of us is safe.

You know that.

Yes, it is supposed to extinguish the behavior of my posting to usenet.
It is also a two way street, where she is gaining control over her own
behavior as well as mine.

As you can see the only behaviors that are being cultivated are the
posts where Dan writes things like, "He sees dead people and they are
stinking up the place: and then kali has to escalate the posts by
posting her snide remarks.
She is not only escalating my behavior, which she hopes to make extinct
because I feel the same she does to 'defend' myself, but she is
escalating herself, and the stAUKing filth posters on groups where
these messages are being cross posted.

It doesn't seem to me that anyone here is capable of denying your right
to anything. They either choose to communicate with you, or choose not
to. Then you choose your response.

What puzzles me is why people continue engaging in the same behaviors,
when the behaviors don't *appear* to net a reward. What's the secondary
gain?

This forum is practically dead compared to what it used to be. Why do
you want to be here? Do you really think you're going to convince
whoever's declared you "net dead" to change their mind(s), behavior,
beliefs, etc.?

It seems this environment is hostile and toxic to you.

the cases became intertwined when Pablo recruited the SPP/AUK stalkers
to assist Pablo in his cyberterrorism of yours truly.

Remember, Phoenix had formosed you in 2003.

You were not subjected to the full DN treatment until 2004, when Pablo
wanted you subjected to the treatment.

So you're each hell-bent on controlling the other's behavior, and this
is so important that you continue the struggle day after day after day?
At what point do you decide you're better off without the interaction?
When do you say, "I'll control my behavior without her help, and she
can gain control over hers without mine?"

As far as the "stAUKing filth posters" go, it sounds like you're
allowing someone else to influence your thinking, too.

Can you step back and see how crazy this all looks from the outside?

In behavior modification terms:
There are positive reinforcers and negative reinforcers.
What is a negative/positive reinforcer is *determined by the
individuals* involved.

I came here years ago because I have hold a license as a psychiatric
technician in California, so my main reason was to use this forum as a
ways and means to keep abreast of the field. I don't claim it for CEU's
of course, but when this was a good NG, it allows me to see into peoples
behaviors and their thought process.

I am not trying to do change anyone's mind about anything regarding my
netdead status.

That is true, and fortunately, this NG, is not my sole source of
information.
However, I used to post in other NG's and was followed by stAUKing
filth, who chose to malign my character by posting disinformation,
misinformation, and malicious lies.
If your next thought is that I didn't have to allow them to distract me
from what I ws posting in other groups, ( not just ASH-C and SMDH) you
are also correct.
I should not have allowed them to distract me from posting to other
groups, however, the fact is that they disrupt other NG's with their
insidious comments and distract others. In fact, it was so bad in one
group, that I would only post one post until they started their crap
posts defaming me and maligning my character because it wasn't fair to
the NG where I was posting.
Talk Abortion comes to mind at the moment, and those people who were
stAUKing me ere doing so because their political viewpoints differed
from my own on abortion. They are anti-prochoice based on their
religious beliefs about abortion.
And that is just *one* small example on how political views are dealt
with on Usenet by a crowd who seeks to destroy everyone who does not
share their same beliefs.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©
1988.

A Free Thinker. © 2003

When she gets busy with nuking the FAQ's from every URL in cyberspace,
without being ordered to do so by a judge. I tried to have them nuked
and was unsuccessful at doing so. She posted them, I have the links to
those pages, but she has the power to nuke them without giving up her
email addy for one, or signing up as a user at most of the medical
support sites.

It's sad that it went that far isn't it Marcia?
<SHRUG>

She isn't influencing my thinking at all.
Long before I even had a computer, I fought legal battles over issues
tht were not in my best interests.

I have stepped back many times and on many occasions, however, I can't
post in other NG's without being followed.

IIRC: Pablo didn't get on my 'case' until long after kali began her
assault on my character, So I don't even include him.
Kali is the one who took 'full responsibilty' for her actions in
writing.

I understand how behavior modification works. I just don't think it
applies here, unless you consider how your thoughts and behavior may be
modified by bullying and manipulation, because that's what you're
exposing yourself to--from a number of directions.

This newsgroup is no longer a viable industry resource; it's ceased to
function in that respect. So even if that's your explanation for coming
here originally, it doesn't explain why you're *still* here.

This is a sick environment, and there's no parallel to it in the real
world. You can choose to remain entangled in it, if that's what you
want, but it appears to me you're the most vulnerable person here, and
you're the one most likely to be hurt. Sigh.

Yes, it has taken a 'nasty turn' from privacy issues, and free speech
issues, and medical issues, and support group issues, and is now being
played out on a 'personal level'.

Because kali has a moderated version of this NG or there is one.
SMDH isn't a moderated NG either, but it seemed to me a a few other
people that she was attempting to control the environment over there by
making it a moderated NG. She has a hidden agenda yaknow!!
One problem is that in moderated NG's like SPPM, if they don't like your
POV's it doesn't get posted, or it ends up over in SPP and the poster
whose POV they consider wrong or if the posters POV flies in the face of
what they believe, they are then assaulted. and If the poster objects to
their objections a free for all is created. Since they are essentially
gang bangers, their actions towards those they disagree with, serve as a
warning to those who support their opponents, to not become involved or
take sides against them.
The 'OR You'll be next" thing. They had outed Brad and his wife and a
RN from somewhere in the State of Washington, long before they became
involved with me.

HURT!! Why because I choose to take them to task for defaming me!!
The only one seeking positive approval is kali, because she thinks she
has the right to be here and I don't.
The fact is that I also have the right to be in this NG.
At this point in time, I am only keeping abreast of their malicious,
vicious thought process and gathering evidence to help me in future
legal battles.

I don't know what country you are from, but here in America, I have the
right to defend myself against their malicious, vicious lies and thought
processes, especially since it has ended with me incurring monetary
damages.

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. Š
1988.

A Free Thinker. Š 2003

Yep. You have the right to defend yourself, and also the right to walk
away and live a healthier life without those particular influences. The
choice is yours.

Usenet is not the "real world," but it can become your entire world, if
you know what I mean.

I think my unsolicited comments to you are unproductive and becoming
unwelcome. It's not my intention to harass you. Be well.

The damage has been done.. I can't walk away from the monetary damages,
and I don't intend to allow them to walk away from it either.
Would you allow someone to walk all over you, post defaming posts with
no basis in reality other then their own mindset, and incur monetary
damages?
I am not that apathetic.
Apathy allows these people to continue to enjoy their life and cause
damages to others without being chastised in anyway whatsoever.
I guess you don't have need of a consumer advocate or you think that
product liability is AOK!!

What is the 'real world'? I am not a machine, but if I were a machine a
programmer or engineer made me into a material object.
I am a human being not just words on a page.

Same to you..

--

Hoof

"With friends, like these, who needs enemies!" Y.G. Ph.D. Psychology. ©
1988.

A Free Thinker. © 2003

: did you hear something, TP?

Dido. But that could just be coming from my speakers.

Kali
--
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former
begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.
Hippocrates (c460-c.377 BCE) Greek physician. Law

grrrrr

Kali is a psycho, Kali always has been a psycho, and Kali always will
be a psycho.

Kali's obtaining a BS, then maybe an MS in psychology doesn't alter
her status as a psycho.

Now---Kali's status is a psycho with a BS.

MI refer to psycho's like Kali as wind up nutjobs---

Because it's so easy to wind psycho's like Kali up, and get them to
do dirty work.

Any conflict you have had with Kali is a consequence of the reality
that Kali is a sick, twisted, psycho....PERIOD.

Sigh...

Kali is just one of the legion of "wind up nutjobs" posting to usenet.

Posters who cultivate e-relationships with her --- do so because she's
a wind-up nutjob who will do their bidding.

I understand that Kali is a wind-up nutjob whose mind is so twisted she
had a pathological vendetta against you.

However, the fact remains---that AUK's regulars kept Kali's
pathological vendetta towards you in check, until Pablo began trolling
SPP/AUK regarding his vindictive stalking of yours truly, then,
Kapow, Kali was permitted to let you have it with both barrels,
whereupon, Pablo used his successful inciting of SPP/AUK to defile you
as rationale for accepting nominations to defile yours truly.

The basis for *my* complaint is that employee's from a dirty division
of the Fuzzy Butt Institute is/are/have been recruiting/inciting
wind-up nutjobs like Kali, felons, malicious hackers and freaks to
cyberterrorize private US citizens.

Pablo insists upon having a clear path to his target.

Most posters unsubscribe from ngs upon Pablo threatening to destroy
their life if they don't unsubscribe while he and his minions terrorize
the target.

Anonymous's X-postings to SPP and AST had resulted in your and I
exchanging info and mutual support regarding our respective stalkers.

Given the long standing nature of your conflict with the wind up
psycho---Pablo's chances of bullying you into unsubscribing from a ng
YOUR 20 years work experience give you a legitimate reason for desiring
to participate in discusssions on were slim and none.

So---Pablo manipulated AUK into suspending it's by-laws to allow for
the defilement of you---a person on a psych disability who already been
formosed---to neutralize you, to clear the path to me.

At which point, your cyberterrorism became intertwined with my being
cyberterrorized.

Therefore, if I have a case, then so do you.

I have been wracking my brain trying to figure out a way to get the
government to investigate this whole sordid business---because a
federal investigation is the only means targets have of obtaining the
proof we require to file suit for intentional infliction of emotional
distress and or human rights violations.

Other targets who have tried to get authorities to investigate their
cyberstalking us get stonewalled because most of the individual crimes
are misdemeanors.

Then someone told me about the Valerie Wilson Plume case---

I read up on it...

And, realized Pablo had committed the same exact crime ---by his
vindictively outing AC's cover in the Russian community---which is a
federal crime, and, may even be treason.

That's how I may be able to get this whole sordid business investigated
at the federal level--so targets of the SPP stalkers will have the
proof needed to A) get a court order to get all the
psycho's/felons/freaks defamatory articles taken down, B) file suit
against the ACTUAL responsible parties.

No private citizen ought to be subjected to the sort of violation of
human rights take place while being cyberterrorized by wind-up nutjobs,
felons, malicious hackers and freaks.

Which the US Federal government has apparently acknowledged since
Denver's Dirty Division # 5 has allegedly been shut down as of Nov
2005.

You misunderstood.

I'm 100% supportive of your filing suits against the criminals who
stalked, harassed and defamed you.

I was responding to your having expressed your wish that the defamatory
articles be taken down.

IMHO...the only sure fire way that the targets of the SPP lying
stalking ring can get ALL the defamatory articles taken down is for one
of the targets to succeed in getting a federal investigation into the
cyberterrorism the SPP stalkers engaged in against them---wherein the
targets are found victims of a crime----and the remedy is a court order
removing ALL defamatory articles.

Since cybercrimes units are refusing to take appropriate action
regarding the criminal complaints other targets have filed most
recently against Kevin, despite the reality that rational people do
feel threatened when their stalked by a psycho-freak they already told
they want nothing to do with.

So...I've been wracking my brain trying to think of something the
stalkers did---which would merit a federal investigation---

And, Pablo's outing AC's cover as a government operative IS something
that might merit a federal investigation of this whole sordid business.

We got to keep after the US Government to DO something about the
carnage the SPP Stalkers have left in their wake everyone they been.

If you email me----I can give more info about all this.

You have my permission to use the material that was posted about me on
Usenet to prove it was not an isolated incident in a Court of Law. If
your attorney needs a signature or wants to depose me let me know.

Thanks.

Myself and others are going to keep pushing the US Government to DO
something about the cyberterrorism being engaged in against private
citizens...until the US Govenment does something about it!

Usually, you would be correct. But usual processes of reinforcement
and contingencies don't work with the well-formed kook. Since about
1995-96, a number of clinicians posting here tried to kooks that way,
to no avail. Backfired, even.

As APA in essence has said, usenet is not the real world.

Peace. And potatoes!

card xii

Oh, that's interesting... thanks. I take it certain people have been
declared "net dead" because there *is* no way of modifying their
behavior, then?

When certain known kooks post malicious, libelous and defamatory
messages about you, is there any point responding to correct these
messages, should they be ignored, or should other action be taken?
(short of signing off Usenet forever, because there are people on
certain NGs I enjoy interacting with)

A certain person has implied and/or openly stated in numerous places
that I am psychotic, off medication, and a danger to others, which I
most certainly am not (any of those). I do not stalk, harass, or "go
real life" with anyone. Is this person likely to be believed by those
who don't have a history with her, or do you think her behavior speaks
for itself, even with laypeople?

Peace to you; I'm trying to lay off the potatoes. ;)

marcia

The netdead have banded together and publish lies and fraudulent web sites
that require attention. To be brought down. So their ISPs cancel them.

And they have at times enlisted malicious hackers to help them. That's
how they got the White Hat Hackers on their case, permanently. And the
net dead have repeatedly forged posts from the nice people here.

They reinforce each other and begin believing each others drivel. As you
find with their responses to you.

It speaks for itself, but some newbies don't understand it all. They need
to be enlightened. Or some people who google us run into the drivel of
the netdead, and they need to be given correct information.

Then peace. And kohlrabi slices!

card xii

Not _ALL_ persons declared netdead, publish fraudulent web sites and
lies.
Not _ALL_ persons have their ISP's cancel their service.

Not _ALL_ netdead have enlisted the help of malicious hackers.
Not _ALL_ white hatted hackers are good.

--

If you mean no way to keep them from making threats and stalking
whenever their foul behavior is pointed out, then yes. For
insight into the situation, consider your beef with Linda Gore.

: When certain known kooks post malicious, libelous and defamatory

Then interact. And don't read the b.s.; or else read it, shake
your head in wonder and awe at how f.o.s., hateful, and stupid
people can be, laugh, and move on to the stuff you want to read.
Sometimes it's helpful to stand up and fight, but empirically we
can say that the situation to which you refer will only worsen
if you do so.

Linda is a manipulative troll. She gets her jollies when you
become upset; it feeds her drama. So stop letting her. It's all
b.s. and everyone knows it.

: A certain person has implied and/or openly stated in numerous places

Do you believe that psych people here do these things? And
worse? If so, why? If not, why not?

: Peace to you; I'm trying to lay off the potatoes. ;)
:
: marcia
:

"Marcia" is a gutless _anonymous_ lying stalking filth who reacted to
my disengaging and ignoring her posts to and about me, by utilizing
sockpuppetry to try and trick me into replying to her, and, who
followed me from ASAD, where our butting heads caused me to disengage,
into SPP, News.group and ASD-med, and, posted posts in SPP and
Newsgroups containing the LIE that I was engaging her in discourse
where I had disengaged and ceased reading and replying to her --as is
my habit whenever a poster becomes abusive.

"Marcia", is a gutless *anonymous* lying stalking filth who "says" she
is a manic depressive who has been unable to find a satisfactory
substitute for the antipsychotic Seroquel she says she stopped this
spring owing to adverse effects.

*marcia* is also a gutless anonymous lying stalking filth who *says*
her symptoms of manic depression were treated with the antipsychotic
Risperdal before treatment with the Seroquel.

*marcia* the gutless anonymous lying stalkng filth made the above
claim, notwithstanding the fact that Risperdal is not prescribed to
relieve symptoms of manic depression because Risperdal induces mania in
manic depressives.

Risperdal, when prescribed at the normal dosages *Marcia* was treated
with is prescribed to schizophrenics and people with DID and comorbid
schizoaffective disorder of the depressed type.

Furthermore, *Marcia*'s psychostalking to date has been far more
consistent with the sort of behavior engaged in by denizens of usenet
whose diagnosis is Schizoaffective disorder with DID, then, with the
manic depression *marcia* claims she has---IMHO, FWIW.

In any event, what *Marcia* says carries zero weight with yours truly
because *Marcia* is a sleazy, slimy, spineless, yellow bellied,
gutless *anonymous* lying stalking filth who can and has been *saying*
whatever malicious and libelous lies Marcia' wants to post, while
doing so under the cover of anonymity, to avoid being accountable or
having to assume responsibility for the consequences of all her filthy
little lies.

If Marcia isn't *Kali*, whose nym *Marcia* used to initiate the
thread" whatever happened to Lg, then, it might be wise for readers
to view *Marcia* as a schizoaffective with DID in training to become
another Kali!

Just my opinion, FWIW.

> Not _ALL_ netdead have enlisted the help of malicious hackers.

Maybe not, Hoof, but you subscribe to the beliefs of a certain
individual who posts malicious lies about people. That makes you
dangerous to interact with, because you seem to have difficulty seeing
her paranoid rants for what they are and then support her beliefs. I
find this sad. My gut instinct tells me you're a decent person when not
influenced by certain people's nonsense. I don't think it's your
*intention* to harm *anyone,* but you suffer the consequences of guilt
by association (and by the action of echoing her delusions).

Unfortunately, I think many people have come to see you as this
person's disciple, and may have written you off as a lost cause. Your
belief in, and association with, this person is at the heart of some of
your problems with other people. When you react to them as if every
negative distortion you're told is true, what kind of response do you
expect in return?

Let's look at some of her distortions about me, and see how much is
supported by objective evidence.

Other than my negative reactions to Linda posting lies about me, how
have you seen me behave with other people? How have I treated you? Have
I abused you? Stalked you? Lied to you?

If you look at my profile on Google Groups (which Linda does all the
time; that's where she finds most of the information she distorts),
you'll see that I typically get along with people, try to be helpful,
am direct and straightforward, and don't typically manipulate (unless
I'm being manipulated) or use other people. My behavior is consistent
and I only have one personality. You should be able to see that for
yourself.

Let's look at what Linda has to say about my medication history. IIRC,
she said I was taking Risperdal at a dose so high I must be
schizophrenic or schizoaffective (something to that effect; I can't see
the post at the moment). How would she know what dose I was taking? I
never posted that information anywhere. In fact, I was taking a *low*
dose of Risperdal, as a mood stabilizer, but it gave me headaches and
was discontinued after 3 weeks.

Next, I took a low-medium dose of Seroquel (3 years), another atypical
antipsychotic that's used as a mood stabilizer for bipolar disorder
(and also as an anti-anxiety agent, and also--at low doses--for
insomnia). The Seroquel was effective, and great for equalizing my
mood, but has recently been implicated as a cause of diabetes and other
health problems, so my pdoc discontinued it.

Now, I'm taking Neurontin (which is acceptable, but not great) as a
mood stabilizer. Neurontin is an anti-convulsant, not an antipsychotic.
Why do you suppose my pdoc switched me to a med that doesn't control
psychosis? Could it be that I'm not at risk for psychosis? I've been
seeing this pdoc for 8 years; I can tell you, he's neither incompetent
nor unaware of the risks associated with taking a truly psychotic
person off anti-psychotics. I am not psychotic.

How reasonable is it for a certain person to post messages implying
that I'm dangerous because I'm "off my anti-psychotic"? How reasonable
is it for a certain person to post messages in other groups implying I
may murder someone because I'm off my antipsychotic? I've never
committed violence against anyone in my life (okay, I kicked Judy
Copperman in both shins in 7th grade, but that's all). And I've never
behaved in a threatening or irrational way on Usenet. That should tell
you something.

If there's no evidence I've ever been psychotic, and no evidence I've
ever been violent, let alone tried to kill someone, would you say
posting that information is either paranoid or manipulative--or
possibly both? Can you see how someone can take a kernel of truth and
build elaborate, fictitious stories that support a malicious agenda?

If it's possible those accusations are lies, is it possible the person
perpetrating those lies has a *pattern* of such behavior? Is it
possible this person tries to manipulate *you*? Is it possible that you
would be treated the same way if you dared to cross her?

I don't expect you to answer this message, because I think that would
put you in a difficult and uncomfortable position, and I don't want
that. I don't want you to be hurt, and I don't want you to put yourself
in a vulnerable position with regard to anyone here, including me.

The person you know I'm talking about will tell you I'm lying, or
trying to control and manipulate you. The person I'm talking about will
try to remind you of other so-called "stalkers" you've encountered, and
other people who have caused problems for you. The person I'm talking
about will remind you of the times she's supported you, and how much of
a "friend" she's been to you.

That's because the person I'm talking about is desperate to maintain
control of you. You may not think she controls you, but go back and
read your own posts where you repeat her stated beliefs verbatim.
That's control. You wouldn't have come up with those conspiracy
theories and stalking issues on your own; I don't believe you're that
kind of person inside. People would never have rejected you or harassed
you (think about self-fulfilling prophecies) but for your association
with this person, and your support of her beliefs.

Please consider what I've written. Try to answer the questions for
yourself, privately, and see what conclusions you draw. That's all I
ask of you, nothing more.

Be well, Hoof. Take care of yourself.

marcia

> > When certain known kooks post malicious, libelous and defamatory

I noticed yesterday that appeared to have happened on the moderated
group a few months ago.

You're right; I've seen that. It makes me sad with respect to one
certain individual, because I think she's a decent person at heart.

Thank you. You've helped me feel more grounded and more at peace wrt to
this incident.

Yes, in fact, I did Google you, and saw all kinds of interesting
accusations. I also read documents from credible sources that refuted
the lies and distortions of certain netdead who shall remain nameless.
BTW, there's a really blurry picture of you on someone's blog (nothing
negative written, IIRC) that you may find amusing if you haven't
already seen it. :)

Thanks again.

Love, luck and lollipops.
(I forget where I picked that up, but I'm sure it dates me.)

marcia

I've done a little research since writing this yesterday and see her
behavior from 5 or 6 years ago remains unchanged, although the targets
seem to shift from time to time.

Yesterday was a good lesson in the futility of fighting with her. She's
not amenable to logic and has no insight into her own behavior. I've
never encountered anyone quite like this before (to this extreme, I
should say), so I find her both morbidly fascinating and repulsive at
the same time. The fascination is quickly wearing off.

She was netdead for about 2 weeks before this latest uproar. You're
right; I need to go back to ignoring her.

It was the "and everyone knows it" part that concerned me.

No, I don't believe it. It wasn't the psych people I was concerned
about (that's why I came here for advice) so much as people on groups I
frequent more often, who may be less psychologically sophisticated and
have less history with her. Part of my concern was that she sometimes
takes a kernel of truth and builds an incredible lie/distortion around
it.

I've never believed her accusations because they're so outrageous, and
need to give other people credit for recognizing that, too.

Thanks for your response, Kali. Your practical, no-nonsense advice is
grounding and reassuring. I appreciate the reality check. :)

marcia

I agree. Most of the time, anyway.