Death by Spanking

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm

That's the problem I've pointed out here for a couple of years. Parents
often do NOT know where the boundaries are, and cross them all to easily.

Even a child jumping away or startling or making a normal human
protective move can be badly injured or killed.

Why risk it?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

There are no boundaries in hitting and hurting children in the name of
discipline, but there are boundaries for the same behavior when the
victim is over the age of 18.

It's called battery and assault in every state in the US.

LaVonne

Define a normal person.

The majority of people escalating to the death of the child started out
spanking as defined by LAW as legal.

If you lump them all together they obviously outnumber deaths as a
result of escalation.

On the other hand this is not alt.parenting.deaths-caused-by-
automobiles-swimming pools-and-medical-mistakes, is it, lil 'o'?

If those are your concern why aren't you posting in related newsgroups?

You are here. Spanking is the subject of this ng. And the risks of
spanking on topic.

No, those were YOUR Strawmen, you feed them somewhere else, if you don't
mind.

And let's discuss the dangers of spanking, like the nasty figure I just
provided that you care:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm

Shall we try again without your bales of straw?

Or have you NO rational argument to support spanking that would NOT risk
these injuries and deaths to children?

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AFfromDreamLand

Doan

No they aren't. From pre abuse to post abuse is the issue, not just post
abuse.

The issue is "escalation," not one or the other alone.

In other words, a percentage of spankers ANNUALLY, so you must add them
to each passing year...meaning that before the 18th year is
reached...18,000 to 36,000 children, approximately, are killed by
parents that escalate to it from "spanking," and approximately 2,556,000
are injured.

We aren't talking anything here but people that CANNOT ANSWER THE
QUESTION. They think they can, of course, but you do see the results
above, right?

Do you really suppose if I had put the question to them before they
escalated to injury and death they would have admitted they could not
answer The Question?

No, they would have answered JUST AS YOU DID, DOAN. "What the Law says."
"What a reasonable person would say." "Parents can judge that for
themselves better than the state." etc. Plus of course, "It's none of
the state's business what I choose to discipline my children."

I don't recall you mentioning the last one, but you have said, "Leave
that up to the parents to decide."

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That depends on the circumstances. It would be if the police tried to do
so for the same reason parents spank.

The only thing in reality standing between it being legal and illegal
assault is the law, nothing more.

Morally and factually it is assault on a child.

You must be one of the anti-spanking zealotS.

You certainly bring no logic to this issue.

To hit a child and lie to yourself that it's not hitting?
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If you had an argument of any merit you'd make it rather than a constant
string of ad hom.

Any reason you have not answered the reasonable questions I ask?

Any issue you wish to promote in the area of parental spanking?

Between 1,000 and 2,000 a year, lil 'o'. That's what the point was of
my posting.
The USDHHS estimated it.

They started spanking legally and escalated. That's what escalated in
this context means....from the legal (which we have to presume reflects
the "norm" you refer to) to teh illegal and death. Thousands more
children injured by the same mechanism.

Make you happy, does it...so much so you'd try to minimize it as you do
above and below?

How does it compare with skateboard, bucket drownings of toddlers,
falls out windows, disease, starvation, neglect by parents....just what
does comparison tell us, lil 'o'?

Other than your attempt to divert for minimization of this crime that
began as a legal sanctioned practice?

I can assure you that drowning deaths probably in same age range where
children are kiled by escaspanking (escalated spanking), are less than
a thousand a year. The Product Safety division has posted this
information, and I'm sick and tired of YOU asking such questions
without looking them up yourself...but of course if you did YOU'D HAVE
NOTHING TO SAY, because they prove you are stupid and ignorant and
wrong every time.

However, how could that be a bad thing?

I'd love if you came up with facts. Because if you did, you and I would
be partners in trying to stop this insanity of death dealing
'spanking.'

But since YOU are part of the problem, I hardly can expect THAT to
happen.

So tell us, now that I've told you (and I looked it up, Stupid) that
drowning deaths of the most fatalities for both groups, that is
escaspanking as well as drowning, isn't that big incomparision, are you
going to run over to the alt.talk.drowningdeathsofchildren ng and
suggest they stop worrying about fences around swimming pools?

Did you study to be stupid?

Over a thousand formerly living breathing human beings, small and
unable to protect themselves. Gone, forever. They aren't coming back.
They aren't in heaven. They aren't.

And by the end of this year, a thousand more. And the next year and the
next....etc.

You should go to jail with the parents that do it.

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