SHOW NOTES
Episode 082 - JAY THORNHILL | Baopals
Jay Thornhill is a co-founder of Baopals, a website designed to help English speaking expats in China access the wonderful world of shopping available on Chinese-only Taobao and its sister site, TMall. Their success story is really inspiring, and Jay’s insights gleaned along the way are priceless. Also this week we debut a NEW FORMAT for the show that we would love your feedback on.
Baopals website:
https://www.baopals.com
Baopals employee Heather featured on Mamahuhu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVFiS8YXy-Y
Mamahuhu Reverse Culture Shock”:
https://youtu.be/qw6IUOvRIYk
Jay Thornhill on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thornhilljay
EPISODE 079 - VINCENT YIP and PETER CHEN | How China Works LIVE! at Stanford University
Today’s show was recorded live at Stanford University and features our guests Vincent Yip and Peter Chen. This is the 2nd of 3 live shows we did in the US this Fall. Don’t forget to visit howchinaworkspodcast.com for more!
EPISODE 078 - MIKE KEHOE and BIN LI | How China Works LIVE! in San Francisco
Welcome to the first of 3 “How China Works LIVE!” shows we did while in the US this Fall. Today we bring you our chat with Mike Kehoe of Onepiece Work (where we recorded this) and Bin Li. Mike Kehoe is a serial founder and currently serves as the VP of Business Operations at OnePiece, where he works across the operations, sales, marketing, and business development teams to drive growth and launch new products that serve the cross-border tech startup community. Bin Li Bin Li, earned her Master's degree in Accounting and has been worked in business and social innovation sectors since 2001. Her company, Collective Impact Across Borders, exists to minimize the impact from the trade tension between US and China, enhance the collaboration, and promote more resources, knowledge and capital sharing, eventually achieve global regenerative economy.
We also have video of the event plus bonus materials to share in the next few weeks, so keep an eye on howchinaworkspodcast.com for more.
SHOW Topics:
What is it like working as an American in a Chinese company or Chinese in an American company?
What are some management considerations and techniques operating a cross-border and multi-cultural team?
As a cross-border entrepreneur/investor, what do you see are the most common pain points in US-China engagements and how can you best prepare to foresee, manage, or avoid them altogether?
The birth of OnePiece Work and its cross-cultural engagement & influence.
How tech to bridge cultural differences & foster communication between entrepreneurs from different cultures?
Tips on fostering the greatness of culture at work.
EPISODE 077 - LI XU | International Mergers & Acquisitions
“Behind cultures, we all want the same things”. Li Xu founded and runs International Mergers & Acquisitions (IMA), a company whose principal work is indicated by their name. But Li Xu’s diverse experience and perspective brings added value that extends far beyond their stated scope of work. Yingying Li sat down with her on the sidelines of the Horasis China Meeting in Las Vegas for a tight, focused conversation. Also, Brendan shares details of the THREE California Bay Area “How China Works LIVE!” events we’re doing, starting Sunday, Nov 3. Join us if you can!
“How China Works LIVE!” West Coast US Events, 2019
November 3:
ONEPIECE WORK - San Francisco, CA
414 Brannan St
11:00AM - 1:00PM
STANFORD UNIVERSITY - Palo Alto, CA
Koret Pavillion, 565 Mayfield
3:00PM - 5:00PM
November 5:
UC BERKELEY - Berkeley, CA
Haas Business School, Room 270
6:00PM - 8:00PM
#076 - DR. BETTINA AL-SADIK-LOWINSKI | Global Women Career Lab
Dr. Bettina Al-Sadik-Lowinski is the founder of Global Women Career Lab. She has extensive global corporate experience as an author, researcher, and senior executive coach with a focus on helping mentor and train women for senior management leadership roles. Yingying Li interviews her in front of a live audience and they have a focused, intensive talk.
#074 - SIMON YOUNG | Red Circle network
SIMON YOUNG is the founder of Red Circle Network, a full-service advisory designed to help businesses get China ready. Simon lived in Shanghai for years but spoke to us from New Zealand to give us his perspective and share tips and tactics to succeed across borders. Visit https://www.redcirclenetwork.com to learn more, and enjoy the show!
#073 - GORDON DUMOULIN | Herbs, Organic Health, & Education
GORDON DUMOULIN’s passion for herbs led to his career sourcing, trading, using, and exporting natural ingredients and botanical raw materials for pharmaceutical, health, food, skincare and cosmetics applications. He is also an educator, by way of his and his wife’s Easton Bridge Education center, and a writer and commentator, via his 5iZ China blog. Yingying and Brendan sat down with Gordon for Round 1 of what will no doubt be an ongoing conversation. Enjoy!
Gordon Dumoulin online:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gordondumoulin/
#072 - JESSE APPELL at the US-China Comedy Center
“How China Works LIVE!” this month comes to you from the US-China Comedy Center in Beijing, where we were joined by its proprietor, comedian JESSE APPELL. Jesse and his venue are dedicated to exploring both English- and Chinese-language comedy by way of standup & improv performances. Jesse is also a student of Chinese xiangsheng or “crosstalk” comedy, which he demonstrates here. He's one of the most insightful writers and entertainers working in China, and it was a great talk. NOTE that during the live event we played several videos, which are linked in the show notes. The full audio is NOT included here because we want you to see them in their full glory. Enjoy!
JESSE APPELL videos:
“Laowai Style”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dp5X5WOf2Q
“Post-80s Talk Show”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE80Rb76tzg
Jesse Appell's episode of “Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom”:
http://bigfishmiddlekingdom.libsyn.com/009-crosstalk-improv-standup-comedy-in-beijing-jesse-appell
SEARCH the US-China Comedy Center’s Official Account on WeChat!
#071 - VIDEO: FU HAN at The Bookworm w/ MARK LEVINE & ISABEL CROOK
We are very pleased to present the VIDEO version of our 1st “How China Works LIVE!” event, recorded at The Bookworm in Beijing, China on August 20, 2019. Businesswoman, artist manager, & filmmaker Fu Han presents her documentary “Isabel Crook: Childhood Memories From Bailuding” and then we interview her for our show, along with guest Mark Levine, with whom she performs two songs, & surprise guest Isabel Crook herself! You can also find the audio-only version of this show as Episode 068, but this version includes not only the interviews and performances but also the complete documentary. Enjoy!
Special thanks to Ian McMath and Reina Lynn of North Capitol Productions 北都制片, Aladin Farré of The Middle Earth Podcast, & David Cantalupo of The Bookworm!
AUDIO & INFO: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com/fuhan
MORE: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com/resources
North Capitol Productions 北都制片 online:
Instagram: @northcapitolproductions
Facebook: facebook.com/northcapitolproductions
Web: northcapitolproductions.com
Middle Earth Podcast / Aladin Farré:
WeChat Official Account: middleearthpodcast
SEARCH the MEP in all podcatchers!
#069 - SHU CAO mo | A Minerval Education
SHU CAO MO lives at the intersection between art, education, and the public sphere. Her work merges cultural diplomacy, civic engagement, and community development both for & through the arts. The three of us had an introspective, philosophical conversation, and we hope you enjoy it.
#068 - HCW Live! | FU HAN (w/ MARK LEVINE) Live at The Bookworm
Today we bring you our very first “How China Works Live!” event, featuring Chinese businesswoman and force of nature, FU HAN, plus special guest Mark Levine (from last week’s show). The focus of the evening was Fu Han’s musical & business collaboration with Mark, plus Fu Han’s 1st ever documentary film about an incredible lady named Isabel Crook. Isabel is 103 years old, born in Chengdu to Canadian parents in 1915, and she joined us as well. A special video version of this night will be out in a few weeks too, but for now, please enjoy the podcast!
MORE: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com/fuhan
WATCH Fu Han’s film “Isabel Crook: Childhood Memories From Bailuding” (23 minutes):
https://m.v.qq.com/play.html?vid=a0890i293zp&ptag=v_qq_com%23v.play.adaptor%233&from=singlemessage&isappinstalled=0
#067 - MARK LEVINE / 马克力文 | A True Friend Of China
MARK LEVINE is an American professor who has made quite an impression on China. He moved here ahead of the 2008 Olympics, and his love for his new home inspired him to write & perform original folk songs based on tales from the land and the people. He's both a China green card holder AND a recipient of the Friendship Award, which is the highest civilian honor China gives to foreigners. Mark is ALSO a special guest on our upcoming “How China Works LIVE!" event on August 20 in Beijing, with his friend and musical collaborator Ms. Fu Han.
MARK LEVINE links:
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/PipCDIqljZoAmUd-FBEj-g
http://chinaplus.cri.cn/video/China/2410/20190404/271401.html?from=singlemessage&isappinstalled=0
"HCW Live! w/ Fu Han & special guest Mark Levine" - sign-up link:
https://yoopay.cn/event/02160601
#066 - YINGYING LI & BRENDAN DAVIS | A Video (Re)Introduction
This new video episode is ALSO a do-over for Episode 0001, our Introduction to the series - which is the first thing most people hear when they subscribe. Since we’ve evolved and improved the show substantially, we wanted to record a fresh take on what we’re all about and WHY we do it. Please enjoy, & share / rate / SUBSCRIBE!
VISIT: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com
LISTEN - APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-china-works/id1440747395 / ALL PLATFORMS: http://howchinaworks.libsyn.com
#065 - KELVIN LIU | Illuminating The Process of Education
Kelvin Liu is a Forbes 30 Under 30 honoree, a Masters graduate of both Johns Hopkins and Cambridge, where he is also finishing his Doctorate. He has been a researcher at Tsinghua and Stanford, and he’s applied insights gleaned from his diverse educational experiences to found Illume Technology, an e-learning company using cutting-edge applied science to best help students learn HOW to learn. His perspective on this topic is not to be missed!
Kelvin Liu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvin-liu-b8932849/
#064 - JOEY YANG | Youth Leadership Exemplified
Joey Yang is a respected up-and-coming author, maker, doer, and thinker in the areas of philosophy, politics, & economics, among others. He’s also just 17 years old. Joey’s ideas are often brilliant, and his talents & ability to execute them are prodigious. We had a wonderful time talking with him in this very in-depth interview, and we look forward to a Round 2.
“How China Works”: LISTEN - APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-china-works/id1440747395 / ALL PLATFORMS: http://howchinaworks.libsyn.com / WEB: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com
#063 - VIDA ZHANG FARGIS | International Etiquette Education
VIDA ZHANG FARGIS is an etiquette expert with a special focus on preparing children who will live global lives for their journeys, and on empowering their mothers to be a modern Chinese woman. Vida uses the home environment as a laboratory, updating traditional roles to best meet the future.
Vida Zhang Fargis LINKS:
“Making House Into A Home”:
http://www.beijing-kids.com/blog/2017/01/26/making-house-into-home-ettiqette-crafts-and-home-decor-at-v-ettiquette/
“Mum’s The Word”:
https://enapp.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201906/15/AP5d0462d6a3107b899aca63d9.html
#062 - OLIM ALIMOV | SCOLAR & The Future of Community
OLIM ALIMOV is a consultant, entrepreneur, and a co-founder of SCOLAR. The SCOLAR Network is a platform aimed at bringing together young leaders from 18 Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) countries to strengthen connectivity, promote dialogue, and contribute to regional development. Olim sits down with Yingying Li to share some of his many excellent insights.
#061 - MALCOLM CLARKE | Better Angels & The US-China Relationship
MALCOLM CLARKE is a 2-time Academy Award-winning documentary filmmaker. His new film BETTER ANGELS examines the world’s most consequential relationship - that of the US and China - in a powerful, moving, & candid way. This week Yingying Li talks with him about the film, lessons learned, & much more. A fantastic talk.
MALCOLM CLARKE info:
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Clarke_(film_maker)
BETTER ANGELS on IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7579694/
#060 - Prof. GREGORY LaBLANC | Fintech & Edtech in China and Silicon Valley
Dr. Gregory Lablanc is a Distinguished Teaching Fellow at UC Berkeley in the Haas School of Business, a lecturer in the School of Law specializing in Blockchain, Artificial Intelligence, Venture Capital, & Corporate Law, & Faculty Director of the Berkeley Fintech Institute. He has a special focus on China, and he shares some valuable thoughts regarding the road ahead with us on today’s show.
Dr. GREGORY LaBLANC online:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lablanc/
#059 - Dr. PARAG KHANNA | The Future Is Asian
Dr. Parag Khanna wears many hats: as a strategic advisor & consultant to global companies and governments; a TED Talker, speaker, & world traveler with both data- and experientially based insights into a host of pressing issues; and an author. His most recent book, The Future Is Asian, discusses not just the well-trod “Asian Century” concept, but seeks to have a pan-Asian conversation to look at how the entire world is becoming Asian-ized.
Dr. Khanna has been on a speaking & consulting tour through China specifically, and Yingying li caught up with him after one such event the other day for this interview. From there, he went on to speak with Liu Xin, host of CGTN’s “The Point”, who has recently become famous Stateside for her ongoing dialogue with Trish Regan from FOX News. His LinkedIn page reveals a widely varied background ranging from Georgetown University to the London School of Economics, with time spent as a senior fellow at think-tanks such as the New America Foundation to serving as a Managing Partner, Advisor, Founder, or CEO at companies from New York City to Singapore. Among his more personal interests are his roles helping smart startups that are focused on improving the health of and opportunities for kids, which I found especially notable. All in all, it was a great, valuable talk, and we look forward to doing another one in the future.
Dr. PARAG KHANNA online:
Web: https://www.paragkhanna.com/about-parag-khanna
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drparagkhanna/
#058 - CLARK RUBINO | Startup Grinding & Entrepreneurship in Chongqing
Clark Rubino (鲁比诺) is Founder & CEO of Chongqing Bright Ideas Business, & Chapter Director of Startup Grind in Chongqing. He arrived in Chongqing from the United States in 2011 with the goal of opening his own wholly owned foreign enterprise (WOFE), and he has not only reached his goal, but made Chongqing - the hidden gem of China - his home. Clark shares a lot of great cultural intelligence in this episode, especially related to community building in Western China.
CLARK RUBINO contact:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clarkrubino/
#057 - MAHDI SHARIFF | Guanxi.Ai & Using Data For Good
Mahdi Shariff is a "Forbes30under30” honoree and the founder of Guanxi.AI. Their mission is to help people harness the power of data for good, and they have an admirable track record of doing so. Please enjoy the talk, and visit howchinaworkspodcast.com to learn more.
Mahdi Shariff LINKS:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mahdishariff/
Web: https://www.guanxi.ai/
Twitter: @MahdiShariff
#055 - HCW REMIX: Season 1 Overview | Yingying Li & Brendan Davis
This week we bring you a special REMIX edition of “HCW"! We’re sharing an enhanced version of one of our most popular shows, which was originally released Dec 28, 2018 as a video summary of our Season 1 highlights. Brendan also shares information about Yingying’s upcoming speaking event in Beijing on May 22 (in Chinese), and invites you to check out his newest podcast, “If I Knew You Better” this week to hear an amazing China-expat story with Hollywood actress Lee Chen.
Yingying Li speaking in Beijing: https://tesol.i21st.cn/2019/
Lee Chen episode of “If I Knew You Better”: https://www.crazyinagoodway.com/home/lee-chen
SEARCH the shows in your favorite podcatcher or LISTEN here:
“How China Works”: APPLE: https://tinyurl.com/HowChinaWorks-iTunes / ANDROID: http://howchinaworks.libsyn.com / SOUNDCLOUD: https://tinyurl.com/HowChinaWorks-Soundcloud / STITCHER: https://tinyurl.com/hcw-stitcher / WEB PLAYER: https://www.howchinaworkspodcast.com
“If I Knew You Better”: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/if-i-knew-you-better/id1457785319 / WEB PLAYER: http://ifiknewyoubetter.libsyn.com/website/ LINKS https://www.crazyinagoodway.com/knew-resources
“Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom”: APPLE: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/big-fish-in-the-middle-kingdom/id1237037187?mt=2 / SOUNDCLOUD: https://soundcloud.com/brendan-davis-2 / STITCHER: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/brendan-davis/big-fish-in-the-middle-kingdom / WEB PLAYER: http://bigfishmiddlekingdom.libsyn.com
#054 - DR. FRANK-JÜRGEN RICHTER
We were extraordinarily honored to welcome as our guest this week Dr. Frank-Jürgen Richter. Dr. Richter is a leading international thinker on economics & monetary policy . He is the Chairman of Horasis, which hosts four events a year providing political, business, and social leaders with a platform to find common ground. Formerly a Director of the World Economic Forum at Davos, Dr. Richter engaged with Brendan & Yingying for an extended conversation that ranges from the practical to the deeply philosophical.
Dr. Richter bio: https://horasis.org/management/
Horasis: https://horasis.org
#053 - CHRIS “LU YI” ONIYA
Chris Oniya is from Houston, Texas but has been in China 11 years. He's a serial entrepreneur using his insights at the intersection of business and education towards some truly worthwhile ends. This is a high-energy, info-heavy talk and a lot of fun - we hope you enjoy it!
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chris_luyi_oniya/
WeChat: luyichris
#052 - XIAONING LYU
Xiaoning Lyu was inspired by Frieda Kahlo on a trip to Mexico and created Viva La Vida as a street-art project, but it’s grown into much more. Visit her website or connect with her online to learn more.
Web: https://www.vivalavida.today
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003716740266
WeChat ID: sth0224
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#051 - HAN TIANQI
Han Tianqi is International Co-Chair and President of the China branch of the G20 Young Entrepreneur’s Alliance, CEO of APEC Voices of the Future (China), a Forbes "30 Under 30" honoree, and our guest this week on the show.
LinkedIn: Tianqi Han
Books recommended:
《论语》《The Analects》，《六祖坛经》The Six Face of the Altar (Chinese)
G20 Young Entrepreneurs' Alliance
APEC Voices of the Future (China)
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#050 - DIEGO GILARDONI (吉博明）
Diego Gilardoni joins Yingying in Beijing for a great talk that flies by far too fast. Brendan chimes in at the end and likewise hopes for a Round 2 with all of us, in person. Diego has a lot to say, and we were honored to have him join us to say a little of it.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/diego-gilardoni-%E5%90%89%E5%8D%9A%E6%98%8E-2a72693/
Navigating Global Complexity: The Cultural Compass | Diego Gilardoni | TEDxLugano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KIbtxzzAU
http://decodingchina.org/
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#048 - RAMI BLACHMAN
Rami Blachman is a US/Israeli tech entrepreneur and venture capitalist based in Shanghai and Tel Avi. He is founder of China Israel Innovation Accelerator, a business partner and mentor in several accelerator programs, and an advisor for international business development. Rami talked with Yingying and Brendan and shared excellent insights into the East-West business conversation that offered fresh food for thought.
Rami is a frequent speaker and contributing writer in Beijing-based TechNode, the exclusive China partner of TechCrunch and the leading source on the China tech and startup ecosystems:
https://technode.com/author/ramiblachman/ and in San Francisco-based Venture Beat:
https://venturebeat.com/author/rami-blachman-china-israel-innovation-accelerator/.
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#047 - MIKE SUI (隋凯)
Mike Sui is most well-known as a comedic actor, having found fame in TV, viral videos, and in such films as THE WANDERING EARTH, currently the 2nd highest grossing Chinese movie of all time. But Mike also has great insights into both himself and the two cultures - American and Chinese - that most shaped him. This week he shares his thoughts with Yingying in Beijing, while Brendan checks in from Paris.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sui
"12 Beijingers” - Mike Sui at the bar (w/ English Subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HENoGStC6As&fbclid=IwAR03R9X8LiE2479kZK__qjfD7YDLlJLSWPCf8gokzhoWNtt9zZHUzC2yu1A&app=desktop
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#046 - LI BOLUN
Li Bolun is the co-founder of Diinsider, a content creator and solution provider for entrepreneurs, development actors, and partners in the bottom of the pyramid (BoP) market. Diinsider currently has offices or is involved in projects in China, Myanmar, Philippines, Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand. Bolun is a Forbes China “30 under 30” leader in social enterprise.
LinkedIn: Bolun Li
Web: https://www.diinsider.com/
Book mentioned by Bolun:
英国史学家阿诺德·约瑟夫·汤因比《历史研究》
British Historian Arnold Joseph Toynbee 《A Study of History》
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#045 - DONALD J. LEWIS
Our shared human civilization is much more intriguing, much deeper and more complex than was previously imagined. China’s modern reimagining of the historic Silk Roads through its Belt and Road Initiative reveals remarkably deep connections between Asia and Europe and much more. In this HCW episode with Prof. Don Lewis, we discuss the three ancient civilization zones of China, India, and Southeast Asia – and a fourth civilization zone in the Mediterranean - the true cradles of human civilization.
Adjunct Professor
Department of Economics, Law, and International Business
School of Management
University of San Francisco
旧金山大学商学院兼职教授 经济法律和国际商务系
Associate Member
Brooke Chambers
Chancery Lane, London, UK
www.brookechambers.co.uk
https://www.brookechambers.co.uk/associate-members/4594474525
Expert/Member
Public International Law Advisory Group, Paris, France
http://piladvisorygroup.org/
http://piladvisorygroup.org/donald-lewis
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/donald-lewis-36867526
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#044 - STEVE “CAPTAIN HOFF” HOFFMAN
Steve Hoffman is known in both Silicon Valley and now China by his nickname Captain Hoff. He is the Founder and “Captain” of Founders Space, a leading tech incubator and the largest foreign one in China. He’s also a best-selling author and has spoken to millions of people live or on webcasts about East-West cooperation and the opportunities therein. So it was a pleasure and an honor to have him join us on “How China Works”.
Steve Hoffman Bio: https://www.foundersspace.com/captainhoff/
Founders Space: https://www.foundersspace.com
WeChat & Weibo: https://www.foundersspace.com/wechat/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/foundersspace/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/captainhoff/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/captainhoff
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#043 - PROF. KERRY BROWN
The future people live depends on the stories they tell themselves - or believe - now. Prof. Kerry Brown - Professor of Chinese Studies and Director at the Lau China Institute - joins us today from London for a deeply thoughtful chat about “this extraordinary moment” in China relations right now, and much more. Many of today's topics are what people tell us privately they care about the most.
Kerry Brown
Professor of Chinese Studies and Director, Lau China Institute
伦敦国王学院 中国研究所 主任 凯瑞.布朗教授
Web: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/lci/people/director/Professor-Kerry-Brown.aspx
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lau-China-Institute/211519015539440
Twitter: https://twitter.com/lauchinainst
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/7428058
Resources
Research & references:
“Examining Stakeholder Relationships in Chinese Public Relations Practice: A Case Study of LinkedIn China and Its Sub-Brand Chitu” by Yingying Li
The Logic of Finance (Chinese) by Professor Chen Zhiwu
Top 10 Country’s GDP Growth (video)
Ten documentaries to understand China.
Great article about “Sang” or “Bereavement Culture”
Foreign Policy report on US students studying in China
Yingying Li original appearance on “Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom” with Brendan Davis
Yingying Li & Brendan Davis announce “How China Works” on “Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom”
Show CreditS
“How China Works” is written, directed, and produced by Brendan Davis & Yingying Li
Post-Production by Brendan Davis
Social Media by Yingying Li
Theme Music by Carl King (carlkingdom.com) with drums by Mike Stone
Logo by Ronald Paredes (The Creativity Roots Podcast - LISTEN: https://anchor.fm/creativityroots/)