I have download Turbo Delphi. I would like to know if I can install
Turbo Delphi in same machine that has BDS 2006 installed?
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> I have download Turbo Delphi. I would like to know if I can install
> Turbo Delphi in same machine that has BDS 2006 installed?
No, you cannot.
http://bdn.borland.com/article/33659#14CanIhavemorethanoneTurboinstalledonmyPCatonce
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> I have download Turbo Delphi. I would like to know if I can install
> Turbo Delphi in same machine that has BDS 2006 installed?
No.
http://bdn.borland.com/article/33659#14CanIhavemorethanoneTurboinstalled
onmyPCatonce
But you can always install it in a virtual machine (VMWare etc.)
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> I would like to know if I can install Turbo Delphi in same machine
> that has BDS 2006 installed?
No, and there is no point in installing Turbo Delphi on a machine that
has BDS installed.
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> Chau Chee Yang wrote:
>
> > I would like to know if I can install Turbo Delphi in same machine
> > that has BDS 2006 installed?
>
> No, and there is no point in installing Turbo Delphi on a machine that
> has BDS installed.
But theres a point in install Turbo delphi exlorer win32 plus turbo
delphi explorer .net, and still you cannot.
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> Chau Chee Yang wrote:
>
> > I would like to know if I can install Turbo Delphi in same machine
> > that has BDS 2006 installed?
>
> No, and there is no point in installing Turbo Delphi on a machine that
> has BDS installed.
Turbo Delphi == BDS 2006 Delphi?
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Or Turbo C++.
What a crazy restriction. Unless the following is true:
Price of Turbo Delphi + Price of Turbo C++ > BDS 2006
Of course:
Price of Turbo Delphi Express + Prices of Turbo C++ Express == FREE!!!
It makes even LESS sense!
Only Borland could make such move...
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> Hi Chau Chee Yang,
>
> > I have download Turbo Delphi. I would like to know if I can install
> > Turbo Delphi in same machine that has BDS 2006 installed?
>
> No, you cannot.
>
> http://bdn.borland.com/article/33659#14CanIhavemorethanoneTurboinstall
> edonmyPCatonce
>
> Groetjes,
> Bob Swart
Why?
"Can I have more than one Turbo installed on my PC at once?
Only one Turbo product can be installed on a PC or VM at a time."
What's the reason?
If Microsoft allows me to install Visual C++ Express and Visual C#
Express why can't Borland let me install Turbo Delphi + Turbo C++?
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> > No, and there is no point in installing Turbo Delphi on a machine
> > that has BDS installed.
>
> Turbo Delphi == BDS 2006 Delphi?
Turbo Pro is BDS 2006 Pro with only the single personality installed,
yes. Turbo Explorer is the same thing with a limitation that you can't
install components.
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| Turbo Delphi == BDS 2006 Delphi?
Turbo Delphi == BDS 2006 (Delphi personality only)
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> What's the reason?
The reason is that the Turbos and the BDS use the same registry space,
as they are very similar products, and the IDE won't do that and still
work properly.
We are aiming at removing this limitation for future versions. But for
now, that is the way it is.
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The explanation that's been given on these newsgroups is that it's a
limitation of how BDS is setup (something to do with how configuration
info is stored in the registry, IIRC), which doesn't allow multiple
copies to be installed on the same machine. Since the Turbos are just
single-language versions of the BDS, they have the same limitation.
It's also been indicated that they might try to fix the problem for a
future release, but it doesn't sound like a simple change.
Rich
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"Joanna Carter [TeamB]" <joa...@not.for.spam> wrote in message
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> We are aiming at removing this limitation for future versions. But for
> now, that is the way it is.
I think having an installation where everything is in one folder (and
subfolders), with no registry keys and all configuration in INI or XML files
would be a huge selling point. I would love to backup my development system
folder and know I could reinstall with a simple copy command.
-Johnnie
> Does that mean that components and addins that work with BDS2006 will
> automatically work with Turbo...?
Correct.
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> The reason is that the Turbos and the BDS use the same registry space.
But what about the Turbo Explorers. Is it only the techniqual limitation
or is it also a legal limitation?
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>But what about the Turbo Explorers. Is it only the techniqual limitation
Yes, since Turbo Explorer is exactly the same as Turbo Pro, just without
the Pro license installed. Purchase and install a Pro license, and viola,
Explorer becomes Pro. So the limitation applies to both.
>or is it also a legal limitation?
Do you mean in terms of the license for Turbo Explorer? If so, then no.
The license allows you to install Turbo Explorer as many times, on as many
machines (or VMs), as you'd like. It's only a techical limitation that
prevents multiple installs on the same machine.
For the record, this limitation has been part of Delphi since D1. Only
recently, since the personalities were available as separate products, has
this caused a major inconvenience.
> Is it only the techniqual limitation
> or is it also a legal limitation?
It's only technical.
Will the license files work without activation through an internet
connection? I have a machine with no internet access on which I'd like to
install Explorer. Do I need to request another key for a second machine?
> It's only technical.
Then I can publish a first screenshot of the "Borland (Turbo) Developer
Studio Explorer".
http://andy.jgknet.de/misc/TurboExpressStudio.png
Maybe I should write a little tool that paints over the "Borland Developer
Studio" a "Turbo Developer Studio" :-)
(*I should increase the amount of memory for my VM*)
>
> Price of Turbo Delphi Express + Prices of Turbo C++ Express == FREE!!!
There are no Turbo Express products. There are Turbo Explorer products.
Don't want to confuse people ;)
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> Ewan McNab wrote:
>
> > Does that mean that components and addins that work with BDS2006
> > will automatically work with Turbo...?
>
> Correct.
NO that is wrong.
If your addin is a package addin and you use Turbo Delphi.NET PRO or
Turbo C#.NET then your package addin will not work unless it is
installed under the Known IDE Packages key (instead of the Known
Packages key).
It is also not a simple matter of renaming the Register global method
to IDERegister and having it work under the Known IDE Packages.
This is why the IDE needs a notification in the OTAPI to tell addin
developers when the IDE core has been fully initialised.
> It's only technical.
So if someone could come up with a solution that may overcome this
technical limitation, you wouldn't mind if he/she blogged about it?
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> And for that I used only one VM. So no copy of files. Just a installed
> Turbo C++ Explorer after Turbo Delphi. (what would not work without
> some registry changes).
And that worked with no problems for you? I had a thought that it *may*
be possible to get around the technical limitation by using the -r
command-line switch and having multiple installs in different locations
on the HDD, but your approach (multiple Explorer personalities in one
IDE) is much nicer.
I thought a stumbling block may be with the .msi installer insisting on
doing an un-install/repair* if you attempted to install the second and
subsequent Explorer editions, but you've obviously overcome this. I was
in the middle of researching how to delete the info for the first
install from the msi database.
I'm sure many here would be interested in seeing your steps to get this
to work. Perhaps if DevCo are cool with it, you could create a BDN
article which then could be used to show Users how to achieve a
multiple personality Explorer version. Of course, they may well have an
issue with this, as it would then encroach on the BDS market.
*Hmm... on second thoughts this may not have been so bad, provided it
didn't remove the files from the first install, but placed the ones
from the second install.
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> If your addin is a package addin and you use Turbo Delphi.NET PRO or
> Turbo C#.NET then your package addin will not work unless it is
> installed under the Known IDE Packages key (instead of the Known
> Packages key).
Excellent point.
> This is why the IDE needs a notification in the OTAPI to tell addin
> developers when the IDE core has been fully initialised.
Agreed 100%. Let the crusade begin! :-)
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> JED wrote:
>
> > If your addin is a package addin and you use Turbo Delphi.NET PRO or
> > Turbo C#.NET then your package addin will not work unless it is
> > installed under the Known IDE Packages key (instead of the Known
> > Packages key).
>
> Excellent point.
What it really means is that Turbo Delphi.NET PRO users won't be able
to use the CF integration I wrote. Unless they have access to the
version on my home PC <g>
> > This is why the IDE needs a notification in the OTAPI to tell addin
> > developers when the IDE core has been fully initialised.
>
> Agreed 100%. Let the crusade begin! :-)
Blah. I've almost given up bothering about OTAPI enhancements. You can
only get shot down so often before you find someone elses IDE to
integrate into.
> So if someone could come up with a solution that may overcome this
> technical limitation, you wouldn't mind if he/she blogged about it?
Couldn't stop you. ;-)
> I'm sure many here would be interested in seeing your steps to get this
> to work. Perhaps if DevCo are cool with it, you could create a BDN
> article which then could be used to show Users how to achieve a
> multiple personality Explorer version. Of course, they may well have an
> issue with this, as it would then encroach on the BDS market.
You would have to buy two or more Turbo Pro editions to get more than one
personality into the "TDS". And then you meight already thought about
buying the BDS Pro.
> *Hmm... on second thoughts this may not have been so bad, provided it
> didn't remove the files from the first install, but placed the ones
> from the second install.
I'll meight have finished my little tool tonight (now: 07:46) that does
all the necessary steps automatically because making changes in the
registry can destroy the whole system.
> You would have to buy two or more Turbo Pro editions to get more than
> one personality into the "TDS". And then you meight already thought
> about buying the BDS Pro.
Well, I have a theory about that too, but in the interests of not
preventing multiple Turbo or BDS sales, I won't expand on that here :-)
> I'll meight have finished my little tool tonight (now: 07:46) that
> does all the necessary steps automatically because making changes in
> the registry can destroy the whole system.
Excellent! Feel free to share, and I'll do likewise if my experiments
prove fruitful.
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> Couldn't stop you. ;-)
Looks like Andreas will beat me to it anyway :-)
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>Blah. I've almost given up bothering about OTAPI enhancements. You can
>only get shot down so often before you find someone elses IDE to
>integrate into.
I can't tell you how depressing it is to read that, from you of all
people. But then, I guess I can't expect you to hold out quite as long as
Ray Lischner.
It does speak volumes about how low a priority OTAPI continues to receive
from Borland, though.
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>You would have to buy two or more Turbo Pro editions to get more than one
>personality into the "TDS". And then you meight already thought about
>buying the BDS Pro.
First, this technique could be applied to the /free/ Explorer editions.
So this argument is mute.
Secondly, someone may purchase a Turbo Pro *today* (say, Turbo Delphi
Pro). Then, three months from now, decided they want to port their app to
.NET and Turbo Delphi .NET Pro would be the way to go. So they want to
purchase Turbo Delphi .NET Pro and use it on the same machine as Turbo
Delphi Pro.
Yes, had they realized they would eventually want both personalities, they
would have bought BDS Pro to begin with. But they didn't, and now they're
stuck.
They're stuck because they decided to "taste" what the Turbo products
could accomplish and liked it so much that they were willing to pay for
more.
You can use the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility to do just that:
>I guess I can't expect you to hold out quite as long as Ray Lischner.
And he gave up a couple of years ago. :(
> You can use the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility to do just that:
Thanks for the link, Jon.
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Yes, but I think he started a wee bit before Jeremy. Or at least before
Jeremy started being quite so vocal on the newsgroups. ;-)
At least we got a book out of Ray before he left!
> Yes, but I think he started a wee bit before Jeremy. Or at least
> before Jeremy started being quite so vocal on the newsgroups. ;-)
Actually if you know the email address I had while living in the US you
will see that I actually asked some pretty dumb questions back in 96/97.
I had a couple of years away late 90's early 2000's.
> At least we got a book out of Ray before he left!
I've always wanted to write a book. Just don't think i could fill it
with meaningful things...
> I've always wanted to write a book. Just don't think i could fill it
> with meaningful things...
That doesn't present a barrier to many people that write books.
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>That doesn't present a barrier to many people that write books.
ROFLMAO
Unfortunately, I paid for a few of those.
>Actually if you know the email address I had while living in the US you
>will see that I actually asked some pretty dumb questions back in 96/97.
And that's changed how, exactly? <g,d&r>