Hosea's End Time Prophesies

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Dan 9:27 occurs brfore the Messianic Era, and before the second coming of Christ.
Yes it is. I have always believed this, its 7 years before the Return.
I have to admit you are better than the other commenters I have had discussions with.
That is because I have intensively studied the Prophetic Word and I know the Bible very well. I have had no 'brainwashing, Bible college training.
Have you looked at my website?
 
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You have an impressive web site. Since you live in New Zealand, you might be interested in the prophetic dreams for New Zealand of Michael Griffiths, who also lives in New Zealand -
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You have an impressive web site.
Thanks. There are over 800 articles, mostly on Bible Prophecy. They are condensed into my intro and my thesis.
We Christians should know what God has planned for our future. He has told us; read and understand.
Since you live in New Zealand, you might be interested in the prophetic dreams for New Zealand of Michael Griffiths, who also lives in New Zealand -
I have never heard of Michael Griffiths, but I am aware that New Zealand will be badly affected on the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.
As Isaiah 13:13 says; the earth will shake and be moved out of her place.
This will result in huge tsunamis, wiping out any coastal habitations.
As I know the strike will hit at mid day Middle Eastern time, Zephaniah 2:4, and the sound will be heard around the world, Jeremiah 25:30-31, I have enough time to get to high ground and into my prepared safe room. Isaiah 26:20-21 Which is a reefer container.
 
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Are you aware of Nathan Shaw of Heart of David Ministries which is also located in New Zealand?
I looked at his website.
It seems he is more interested in prophesies by others than in the Bible.
He is based in Mosgiel, South Island, so quite a way from where I live.
 
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Hosea 6:1-3 Come: Let us return to the Lord, He has punished us1 but He will restore us. After two days He will revive us2, on the third day He will raise us up and we will live in His presence3. Let us strive to know the Lord, whose coming is as sure as the sunrise. His coming will refresh us like the spring rains.

Hosea 6:4-11 How shall the Lord deal with His people? Their loyalty is like the morning mist, that is why His prophets castigate them and His Word indicts them. Their God requires loyalty, not sacrifices, belief and trust in Him rather than offerings. But they have transgressed the Covenant and brought defilement upon themselves. The House of Israel has prostituted itself and for Judah too, a harvest of reckoning will come4.

Hosea 7:1-2 & 13-16 When the Lord decides to restore the fortunes of His people6, their guilt will stand revealed. He constantly watches5, they are unaware that He has kept account of their misdeeds and faithlessness. Disaster will strike4 them for their rebellion, even though He desires to deliver them, but their false beliefs and insincere worship indicts them. Their leaders will be killed for speaking falsely, foreigners will deride them for their foolishness. Ref:REB Abridged


1/ Punishment by exile from the holy Land for 2730 years. Ezekiel 4:4-6, Lev. 26:18-28 - 390 X 7 = 2730. From about 712 BC to about 2020 AD

The House of Judah has returned, but the House of Israel remains in exile.

2/ 2 days = 2000 years. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8

3/ The 1000 year Millennial reign of Jesus. Revelation 20:6, Luke 13:32

4/ The terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath. Ezekiel 7:1-9, Hosea 8:14, Zephaniah 2:1-2, 2 Peter 3:10-11, Revelation 6:12-17

5/ God is watching us. Job 34:21-23, Psalm 11:4, Psalm 33:13-15, Jeremiah 16:17

6/ The time of Restoration: The period between the 2nd Exodus of all of the Christian Israelites and the Return of Jesus. Described in Ezekiel 34:11-16, Ezekiel 36, Jeremiah 31, Isaiah 61, Joel 2:22-32 and in Romans 9:24-26.


The great gathering and judging of the Christian Israelites:

Ezekiel 20:34-38 By My strong hand and outstretched arm and outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from the nations and gather you from the lands where you have been dispersed. I shall bring you into the place of judgement and there I shall confront all of you, even as I did to your forefathers in the wilderness. I shall make you pass under the rod of judgement, counting you as you pass. I shall purge out all those who revolt and rebel against Me, they will come out of the nations where they now live, but they will not set foot on the holy Land of Israel. This is the Word of the Lord God. Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Acts 3:19
 
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Hosea is primarily concerned with Ephraim. For spiritual Israel, Ephraim, the second-born, today is represented by Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and especially the USA. The UK represents Manasseh, the first-born. Jews living in the USA, for instance, would also be considered of the house of Ephraim.

Jews can be of any tribe. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, and Anna the prophetess was of the tribe of Asher at the time of Christ. Today these distinctions are only important spiritually since genealogy isn't sufficient and hasn't been maintained. As Christ said, "If you were the sons of Abraham, you would do the works of Abraham." This is the true test for determining human origins.
 
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Thanks. There are over 800 articles, mostly on Bible Prophecy. They are condensed into my intro and my thesis.
Promoting your personal vision again I see? After more recruits?

We Christians should know what God has planned for our future. He has told us; read and understand.
How? We can't. You said God has sent a spirit of confusion on most of us. Except a special few.


I have never heard of Michael Griffiths, but I am aware that New Zealand will be badly affected on the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.
Ah, NICE DODGE! Otherwise you might have to admit this guy's personal, untestable, private vision "from the Holy Spirit" doesn't correspond to YOUR personal, untestable, private vision. Pretty much the way the Koran is a personal, untestable, private vision.

Keras you told me you have a special anointing: "I did have a vision and I surely have had help from the HS to do what I have done. Other people have His help, to do evangelism, etc. God has not given so much prophecy to us without some people knowing how the end times will unfold, as Daniel 12:10 says; a few will understand. But the majority, especially those who grip onto false theories, will be shocked and surprised at what will soon happen."
4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

1. Show me one other person that agrees with your timetable and timing - and that came to it independently and not from your website? Because I simply don't believe it when you say "a few will understand" it your way.
2. If you and you alone are the only person God chose to give 'a vision' to - why aren't you drowning in thousands of followers? I mean, there's probably hundreds of millions of Christians on earth so why doesn't he want his children to know this little detail about the DATE OF THE END OF THE WORLD? Oh that's right - although God wrote it down in the bible - only YOU can understand it. Everyone else has a spirit of confusion.
3. Do you believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17, that God can 'thoroughly equip' us through his word? Don't you think knowing about the date of the anti-Christ is the whole point of the book of Revelation - but only a few get to understand it?
4. In a similar vein, if you read Revelation 1 it seems John wants his generation to hear and OBEY his message - not totally cloud it up! These things are starting SOON, for the TIME IS NEAR, for HE shares in their TRIBULATION, and they are to OBEY his whole message! No one is to cut any out. They shouldn't tamper with it by redacting it, or reinterpreting the majority of the book as being inaccessible to THEM! THEY are to OBEY it and it is utterly impossible to obey a message that's only going to unfold in 2000 years. EG: Imagine John wrote to us something like.... "The Cyborgs will gnarfle the Whomping Frothy-bods in the year 4000AD on the sides of Olympus Mons, and all who hear it must flee." Now OBEY THIS!
5. Can you not see how self-aggrandizing and dangerous these claims sound? " I did have a vision and I surely have had help from the HS to do what I have done." Then you go on about the anti-Christ in 2026 (NOT going to happen!). It really sounds a bit like Jim Jones and David Koresh. Your personal vision is exactly like the Koran - a subjective, untestable statement that "You had a dream." Boy I'm glad I'm not bound by scripture to take anything you say seriously - for two reasons. My faith is profoundly shaped by John 3:16 and 2 Timothy 3:16! "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be *thoroughly* equipped for every good work." The bible is all I need to be thoroughly equipped to do EVERY good work. If it isn't in the bible - I just don't need it. If you can't convince me from the bible - you can't convince me, period.
6. The other reason is you are already a failed prophet. You fell for the 2012 prediction - and that didn't happen! Deuteronomy 18:22 comes to mind. " If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."
7: So the bible is all we need, as the theologians I read attest. I am also specifically told to ignore presumptuous failed prophets. That means you. Oh well. You tried - but it might be time to be honest and delete that website.
 
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Promoting your personal vision again I see? After more recruits?
Yes; it would be nice if more people would believe what the Prophets say.
How? We can't. You said God has sent a spirit of confusion on most of us. Except a special few.
That is your problem. You tell God that He is unfair.
Ah, NICE DODGE!
I looked up Michael Griffen. He seems to have very weird beliefs.
Keras you told me you have a special anointing:
Not an 'anointing, just a vision, a momentary glimpse of how it will soon be in the holy Land. As Hosea 4:3 and many other prophesies describe.

Your points:
1/ A Jewish man; Matthew Young, from Houston USA, helped me with the 7000 year timeline. Many others do agree with it, no one has yet proved it wrong.
2/ I do not know the date the Lord will change the world. It will be His terrible Day of fiery wrath that will come as a thief.
His Return in Glory will be known; as it comes exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the Anti-Christ. Then the New Heavens and the New earth come 1000 years later.
As for my 'followers', I have none. Neither did the ancient Prophets; Ezekiel 20:49, Jeremiah 6:10 I am just a messenger, I promote what they said.
3/ We are equipped to confront and overcome Satan. Knowing what and when God plans for our future is another matter.
4/ Revelation is Written to us today. Proved by how what it describes from Rev 6:12, has not yet happened.
5/ To those who have already decided about the future, I cannot help but sound like a know it all. It is the typical 'shoot the messenger' response.
If it isn't in the bible - I just don't need it. If you can't convince me from the bible - you can't convince me, period.
But what I quote IS Biblical. The Words of the Prophets. Believe them!
6/ I did go along with the euphoria of 2012, that was a mistake and shows my humanity. The Biblical timeline shows how close we are now to dramatic and world changing events. We should not be in the dark about what must happen.
7/ The Bible is all we need. Why then do you reject so much of it as irrelevant and unworthy of your attention?
The only reason I can fathom for your hatred of what I do, is jealousy and a fixed, peer supported belief how you want God to act.
 
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I looked up Michael Griffen. He seems to have very weird beliefs.
So, you two have something in common then.

6/ I did go along with the euphoria of 2012, that was a mistake and shows my humanity.
Was this hard for you to admit, that you're human? Are we supposed to believe that you're not capable of making any mistakes like that again?
 
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I looked up Michael Griffen. He seems to have very weird beliefs.

Ha ha ha ha ha! On the irony.
You mean his weird untestable 'vision' distorted his reading of Scripture?
I'm shocked! :oldthumbsup::doh:

Not an 'anointing, just a vision, a momentary glimpse of how it will soon be in the holy Land. As Hosea 4:3 and many other prophesies describe.
Oh puuuuhhllllleaaase.
Anyone obsessed with something long enough is going to have a daydream or nightmare about it.

Your points:
1/ A Jewish man; Matthew Young, from Houston USA, helped me with the 7000 year timeline. Many others do agree with it, no one has yet proved it wrong.
Except history - every time one of their 'certain prophecies' fails - like yours will in 2026.

2/ I do not know the date the Lord will change the world. It will be His terrible Day of fiery wrath that will come as a thief.
yes - you've made this quibble before.

But you've dated the anti-Christ to 2026 which means Fiery Wrath is sometime in the next 5 years which is a close enough guess to be unbelievably arrogant. Jesus said STAY watching, because we WILL NOT know. You've just implied all Christians watching were wasting their time for the last 2000 years.

His Return in Glory will be known; as it comes exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the Anti-Christ. Then the New Heavens and the New earth come 1000 years later.
Or - as the majority of theologians with knowledge of Hebrew and Greek and Apocalyptic Literature (200BC to 200AD) it's number symbolism that has a clear metaphorical value as expressed in countless writings. But you just ignore all that and go with your gut feeling! :oldthumbsup:


As for my 'followers', I have none. Neither did the ancient Prophets; Ezekiel 20:49, Jeremiah 6:10 I am just a messenger, I promote what they said.
There's that wonderfully consistent martyr complex again.

3/ We are equipped to confront and overcome Satan. Knowing what and when God plans for our future is another matter.
Prove it from the scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:16 doesn't seem to have an exemption clause!

4/ Revelation is Written to us today.
So is the gospel promise that Jesus will return. The promise is relevant - but the return hasn't happened yet. The promise has been relevant and given hope to Christians for 2000 years - but he still hasn't returned. What if the symbols in Revelation are a similar sermon that make it about the Roman persecution and then relevant to ALL Christians that have been persecuted since then? What if the end of Revelation 6 is actually describing Judgment Day - as do so many other cycles and chapters in the book?

What if you are actually robbing ALL Christians across the last 2000 years of ANY meaning or relevance of the book from Chapter 6 to 21 - basically shutting up most of the book to them?

5/ To those who have already decided about the future, I cannot help but sound like a know it all. It is the typical 'shoot the messenger' response.
There's that wonderfully consistent martyr complex again.

But what I quote IS Biblical.
Quoting bible verses at someone out of context and ignorant of the original language, genres, and audience is as much 'Biblical' as the way Satan quoted the bible at Jesus when tempting him!

There are rules the New Testament itself sets up on how to read it. You're ignoring those - especially as you sidestep 2 Tim 3:16-17 above.

The Words of the Prophets. Believe them!
As every JW or Mormon says.

6/ I did go along with the euphoria of 2012, that was a mistake and shows my humanity.
No - you're asking me to read the bible in a completely alien, incomprehensible way and just 'trust you' and your vision. Sorry pal - 2 Timothy 3:16 gives me confidence in God's word, NOT you.

The Biblical timeline shows how close we are now to dramatic and world changing events.
But aren't we always?
The collapse of the Roman Empire, the Black Plague, the invention of the printing press, the rise of the steam engine and industrialisation, the rise and fall of empires and kingdoms across the world, the invention of the atomic bomb, global warming - we're always experiencing dramatic and world changing events. Which is precisely the point of Revelation! Stay true to Christ because this world is ruled by tyrants, ruled by chaos in nature and plagues (erhem - relevant today?), ruled by worldly systems of government and temptations of wealth and power, and will all one day be destroyed.

This sermon comes to us in vivid, graphic, disturbing imagery - to really make us see OUR world in OUR age - whenever that is - in a new light. Through God's eyes! To keep us faithful to God the son. You're taking God's version of Shakespeare written for ALL Christians across the last 2000 years - and reducing it to a travel guide. It's just sad.

We should not be in the dark about what must happen.
Why? Jesus said we are!

7/ The Bible is all we need. Why then do you reject so much of it as irrelevant and unworthy of your attention?
I don't - you do.

The only reason I can fathom for your hatred of what I do, is jealousy and a fixed, peer supported belief how you want God to act.
It's not - I genuinely think you're wrong and distorting the fantastic and vivid sermon we have in Revelation into something confusing, aloof, and all about YOU and YOUR precious personal cult-like fantasies.

Keras - you can't even get Matthew 11 right. Please, get another hobby and maybe all this will go away. Maybe you'll be able to just focus on being thankful for the gospel events in Jesus - and care to share the gospel - rather than browbeat everyone here to your own will?

A hobby in retirement. It might even be a beautiful thing that gets you out of the house (when this pandemic is over) and makes friends. I'm sure you would feel so much better if you just deleted your website and got on with enjoying your retirement in a godly, gospel focussed way.

Who knows what great things you might build - whether figuratively or literally?
Be this guy...
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I genuinely think you're wrong and distorting the fantastic and vivid sermon we have in Revelation
But it is you who is wrong, as Revelation is end time prophecy, it confirms and puts into a sequence all the many prophesies of the rest of the Bible.
Calling Revelation just a sermon, a homily for us to read and then to gloss over, is a big mistake and a denigration of God's Word

It isn't me who needs another hobby, you must have time to waste, writing out your lengthy spiel. Read more, I read a lot, esp now its winter.
 
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But it is you who is wrong, as Revelation is end time prophecy, it confirms and puts into a sequence all the many prophesies of the rest of the Bible.
Calling Revelation just a sermon, a homily for us to read and then to gloss over, is a big mistake and a denigration of God's Word

It isn't me who needs another hobby, you must have time to waste, writing out your lengthy spiel. Read more, I read a lot, esp now its winter.
Merely repeating an assertion you have made without new data is not an argument.
Also, did you ever consider the sheer delicious irony that you find another New Zealander's special super-secret private untestable "vision" weird? Ha ha ha ha! :oldthumbsup:
 
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What does Rev 1:7 mean? "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him even so, Amen.

Who pierced Christ? It wasn't Christians. Most people would say the Jews were responsible, specifically the Sanhedrin.

Those who pierced Christ then (Jews) all had the same spirit of satan, as those of today, all nonbelievers. The spirit that was operating then was opposing Jesus and His ministry and Christ told them, John 8:44, "You are of your father the devil."

So the disobedient today belong to the god of this world, and they are his children because they have the same spirt, just like those who pierced Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:3, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."

It has to do with whose spirit we are operating by: the Holy Spirit, or the spirit of the world, 1 Corinthians 2:12 and who we yield ourselves to, Romans 6:16.
 
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So is the gospel promise that Jesus will return. The promise is relevant - but the return hasn't happened yet. The promise has been relevant and given hope to Christians for 2000 years - but he still hasn't returned. What if the symbols in Revelation are a similar sermon that make it about the Roman persecution and then relevant to ALL Christians that have been persecuted since then? What if the end of Revelation 6 is actually describing Judgment Day - as do so many other cycles and chapters in the book?
Since Jesus has not returned as described in Revelation 19, there are timeframes given in Revelation, and in Daniel, that precede His return to know that Revelation 6-19 did not happen in the early days of Christianity at the time of the Romans.

Construct a timeline of events - working backwards from Jesus's return in Revelation - using the timeframes given in Revelation and Daniel. That will be a start of going beyond rhetoric. Same message for Keras.
 
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Getting back to the subject of this thread - here's an overview of all Joel's prophecies.
I quite agree, the book of Joel is a great hope for the future for Gods people.
But this thread is about Hosea's prophesies. Shows how much notice you take of what others post here.

But before we get to Joel's or Hosea's conclusions, there is all the ungodly to be punished and only the righteous peoples will inherit the world and go with Jesus into the Millennium. Psalms 37:29, Isaiah 35:8-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31, +

Joel graphically describes how the Lord will achieve this and we know from observation, that there is a natural means of how it could literally happen.
Construct of timeline of events - working backwards from Jesus's return in Revelation - using the timeframes given in Revelation and Daniel. That will be a start of going beyond rhetoric. Same message for Keras.
Daniel doesn't say when Jesus will Return.
Revelation makes it clear that Jesus will come after the 1260 days of Satanic world rule.
 
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Daniel doesn't say when Jesus will Return.
Revelation makes it clear that Jesus will come after the 1260 days of Satanic world rule.
Daniel 9 - the fulfillment of the 70 weeks to anoint the Most Holy.
Daniel 8 - the fulfillment of the 2300 days to break the little horn person
Daniel 7 - the fulfillment of the time, times, half time
Daniel 11 - the end of the willful king
Daniel 12 - the end of the time, times, half time

And the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army, in Ezekiel 39:1-16, Jesus Himself having returned to earth is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

I might make a you tube video(s) on how to make a chart using Corel Paintshop - which not being knowledgeable keeps people from doing timelines because the method they try, not knowing any better, does not give the result they are capable of.

Making a chart using Corel Paintshop really is just a matter of making cutouts and are arranging them in "layers" mainly, and saving the file as a JPEG which binds them all together as one drawing, i.e picture.

It was an easy adaptation for me because I had prior experience using Autocad, to create engineering/mechanical/architect drawings - which also mainly depends on using "cutouts" and "layers".

Everyone here is capable of using the same basic principles and don't need any technical background.
 
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So what did you make of the Bible Project's Reformed view of Joel? It's not mine - the Bible Project are these guys.


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