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  Late Granite? 239? lunrais. It was his fault I lost control this time. I'll have to keep that in mind. In the mean time, best get right back to it. I never know when I'm going to get booted, and I've plenty to do. First things first, my "public works" project.    It's been halted? And some extra tunnels were added? What on earth is going on here? I have no idea what's going on, but fortunately I don't think anyone else does, either. I poke around the area, and notice that the magma pool seems to be a bit low.   After some quick investigation, I think I know why. It appears someone has ordered his own public works project. From the looks of it, I'd say it's a pump stack, apparently intended to bring magma to--or at least near to--the surface. I'm...actually really okay with that. In fact, I like it. I leave the orders untouched. However, I reinstate my own orders. There should be plenty of miners to get both done in parallel, and it's always good to have a backup. Not long after sending the orders out, I get word that apparently some former overseers are creating so-called "masterpieces."   I head out to investigate, and find Sky Shadowing at a forge. Well, not so much at a forge as "running off like mad to go get a drink." Won't stop to answer any questions, but I don't really care much anyhow. What I do notice, however, is the sign on the door: "Forge of Sky Shadowing, Reigning Overseer." Oh, reeeaaally? That's curious. I consider adjusting the sign to be more accurate, but then decide that really, wouldn't it be better to have a plausible scapegoat? If everything goes haywire, why not let this fool continue to claim to be in charge? The dwarves are following my orders all the same, so what difference does it make? When it comes to blame, I'm all for sharing the wealth.  As for the other, I find LeJackal hard at work at a glass furnace, making enormous glass corkscrews. It's not hard to guess what they're for, and I leave him to his work undisturbed. How fitting, for a former overseer to contribute so directly to what I have in store.  While I'm down at the forges, I notice that curiously unlabaled level I'd spied previously. Taking a quick look around, I spy Mad Whack and wave him over. "You qualified to operate levers?" I ask. "Well, yeah, I guess so." "Great, pull this one for me." Suddenly suspicious, he approaches the lever slowly. I inch away. Oddly, he examines the ceiling very closely as he steps up to the mechanism. Finally, he spits on his hands, rubs them together, yanks the lever over, and jumps away. How odd. In any event, nothing happens, at least nothing I can discern. Maybe it's not connected to anything? I'm about to ask Mad Whack to set it back, but he's already run off, and I have better things to do. I guess it'll stay on for now, because as I'm standing there trying to decide what to do, a dwarf runs up to me, breathless. "Sir! Urgent report from outside, Sir!" Ugh, what could it be this time? "Out with it."  Strange, I would have expected that to affect my control more. It wasn't even unsettling. Something about minotaurs, I guess. I head for the surface and take a look over the walls.  "That is one busted-rear end minotaur. What the hell happened to it?" I ask a nearby soldier. "lunrais, Sir. He's been peppering it with bolts. Said he has nothing better to do, so every time it comes near, he sticks one in it." lunrais again. Of course. Well he can just fend for himself, then, if he's so intent on showing off. I stop by my public works project to see how it's going, and am disappointed to find not a single dwarf at work. I storm back to the office and find that only one dwarf has responded to the updated orders.  I check the labor assignments and find a number of dwarves that are skilled with a pick have been taken off that particular duty. I order them all back to work immediately, including Leperfish himself.  It's been a few days now, and I keep getting reports of masterwork items being lost.    Knowing that these are most likely the slabs and coffins I ordered the removal of, I can't help but smile at a job well done. It shouldn't be long, now, and we'll all have a little extra company. Just gotta kick back, relax, and--  The news sets my head reeling. A caravan showing up now? With the murk clouds and the minotaur and the forgotten beasts and the fires and the dwurks and all the other poo poo going on? Seriously? It's almost enough to make me lose control. Almost. Back at the walls, I take a look around. Caravan in the southeast, dwurks in the northeast, minotaur to the west, and apparently a lone dwurk harassing some echidnas up north by the bridge.  Well, the caravan isn't going anywhere, and lunrais is slowly wearing down his foe. Shouting over the walls, I ask if he's in a squad. "Of course I am! The Walled Skies!" I shout back, "Okay, well, I'm officially ordering The Walled Skies to kill that blasted thing." In response, he immediately turns from the minotaur and begins firing northeast across the river. "What the hell are you doing?!" I shout, angered at this clear insubordination. "Attacking the enemy! I've got them on the run!" he replies. I look, and spy one of the dwurks, standing about, staring at what's left of its feet. The bolts aren't coming anywhere near it, to the point it doesn't even notice it's being shot at. I shout new orders. "Okay, nevermind, DON'T kill the minotaur! At ease, soldier!" lunrais immediately turns in the direction of the minotaur and begins firing, every shot a hit. Okaaaay..."New orders! Kill the minotaur!" I shout, wondering if I somehow have had this "chain of command" thing completely turned around in my head. This time, he follows my orders, and continues to pursue the minotaur. How bizarre. After a few more shots, he informs us he is running low on ammo.  Apparently checking his quiver switched something in his brain, because he begins fruitlessly firing across the river again. He must really have something against the abomination that Tunicate has become, what with having had half his body melted off in the fire. I rescind my previous orders, again. This is getting annoying. Apparently hearing me shouting to not kill the minotaur, said minotaur assumes he's in the clear and begins to approach lunrais. Suddenly, lunrais decides to fight back again. I notice his quiver is now empty, and he is down to his last bolt. There is a twang as the crossbow looses its bolt. The lone echidna bone bolt flies across the field, heading straight for its quarry. The minotaur stiffens, a look of surprise coming over its face as he realizes what is about to happen...  
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Feb 16, 2013 00:22
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What? What is about to happen? 
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Feb 16, 2013 00:47
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Honestly can't say. A lucky pause literally caught that last echidna bone bolt mid-flight, halfway between the Illunrais and quarry. After that, he's completely out of ammo, and still stuck outside with a minotaur, a handful of dwurks, and who knows what else. Also: I added in a screenshot at the very end that I'd failed to include the first time. It shows the bolt, mid-flight. That's where I handed the save over to IK.  e: also fixed "illunrais" to be "lunrais" because  ee: And apparently it has two n's, but screw it, DF LPs have a long history of mis-spelling names. 
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Feb 16, 2013 00:58
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Christ, do all my levers summon forth horrible beasts?
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Feb 16, 2013 01:42
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Oh, and if someone wants to look the new minotaur up in legends, feel free. I didn't go into details about him because frankly, my dwarf doesn't care. However, if a resident dwarf wanted to dig into the fortress records to see what he can glean, go for it, don't worry about spoilers on that one. I mean, keep it specific to the minotaur, of course, but yeah, I'm not intentionally hiding anything there.
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Feb 16, 2013 01:49
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Yay, another one of Bronzestabbed's horribly inbreed incestuous minotaur neighbors! 
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Feb 16, 2013 01:50
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Feb 16, 2013 01:51
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I can't find much relation to the old clan, but Gusmul just happens to have an 18-year-old daughter named Apuk. Only notable for fending off the assault of a human adventurer when she was two, she doesn't have a fear-inducing name yet. I expect she'll come asking after her mother.
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Feb 16, 2013 02:53
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Cuzzin Gusmul done come find Uspsast at Granny's own request, like.
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Feb 16, 2013 03:32
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Bless his soul, he wasn't the smartest cow-boy.
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Feb 16, 2013 03:56
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 Today as I was working in my private forge I heard a knock on my door. I opened it to find Internet Kraken standing there, a most uncomfortable look in his eyes. I felt the forge heat leave my face and I suddenly felt a very, very overpowering desire to find the strongest drink imaginable. I ran off towards the stairs, but I paused as I turned the corner to see Internet Kraken studying the sign on my door. drat those masons. I could have sworn I had put in a work order to have the 'Reigning Overseer' part stripped away when I stepped down, but it must have gotten lost in the work orders caused by the new reign- there is some confusion among the miners as to whether or not a project is to be completed- or I dreamed it. I shall speak to Internet Kraken after I finish my drink to inform him that I am not the Overseer anymore, nor do I consider myself as such, and would like the work order hastened to remove that from my door.` (OOC: I had meant to remove that from my dwarf as the last act of my turn, but apparently I forgot. Oh well!)
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Feb 16, 2013 05:11
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Ehh, I honestly didn't notice until you started making masterpiece something-or-others. I still don't know what IK had you building down there. Hopefully pipes or something for the pump stack. The drink thing was literal, too. I got the notification you'd done something you were proud of, found you down in the forges, looked at your current job and saw "DRINK." I decided that was the game telling me to just leave it alone.
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Feb 16, 2013 05:13
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Sorry about the lack of updates. Been busy the past few days, will get something out tonight. EDIT: You guys have no idea how tempting it is to read Bad Munki's updates so I can figure out what the hell is going on 
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Feb 17, 2013 22:56
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Ah ha, there you are. :P I was just wondering if I'd failed to tell you I was done or if I forgot to sync to github or something.
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What-  What's happening?  What the hell is going on?  What are they-  What the gently caress is-  WHAT THE gently caress IS GOING ON?!?! 16th Timber, 245 Okay...now that I've had some time to...collect my thoughts...I need to figure out what has been going on here. First problem, I've been "asleep" for half a month. I have no idea what is happening to me. I thought I was being knocked out and dragged away the first two times, but the dwarves speak as if I have been here the whole time. I've been ordering them around yet can’t remember any of it. This can't be right... Whatever, I've got bigger problems to worry about at the moment. Like this minotaur.  Well I call it a problem but lunnrais has riddled it with so many bolts that all it can do is limp around vomiting everywhere. It's of no threat to anyone anyways since the gates are closed. I'm not sure what lunnrais is doing outside anyways, buts she seems to be doing fine so I'm not concerned with her safety at the moment.  Here's the real problem; that loving structure is being dug out again. I specifically told everyone NOT to dig there, yet they are doing it again. Worse yet, I've realized this structure is a massive death trap.  For it is being dug out right above the abyssal magma pool. Rocks are falling down into it, creating deadly clouds of magma mist that scald anyone that gets to close. If the digging continues, a huge amount of rocks will fall right into the magma sea. No doubt this would flood the entire forge area with deadly mist, killing dozens. More importantly, it would gently caress up my pump project!  Already one of our miners has died as a result of this work. He peered over the edge to look at the magma pool and was caught in a sudden burst of mist, melting his face off. Needless to say I ordered all digging to stop. However, what good will it do if these orders are once again given sometime in the future? Once again they supposedly are coming from me...argh, this makes no sense! But I’m sure the queen and her dark cabal is responsible! She must be, who else would intentionally try and kill so many dwarves and gently caress up my glorious plan at the same time? 18th Timber, 245 Even after I have ordered all digging to stop in that damned area it is still a death trap.  The rather haphazard way that structure has been dug out has left several dwarves trapped inside it. I thought they'd be fine so long as they didn't touch anything while we tried to dig them out, but smoke and fire has started to fill the areas they are trapped in. I have no idea what is causing it. Some of the workers down in the forges claim they have seen fireballs shooting out of the magma pool.  As if some malevolent force dwelling within the magma sea is striking out at us.  This all just confirms my belief that nothing good will come of this thing. I must think of a way to end it for good, before even more lives are wasted on it. 22nd Timber, 245 I have ordered thick walls to be constructed on the paths leading to that death trap. My hope is that if someone orders that area to be dug in AGAIN, the walls will prevent the dwarves from doing so long enough for me to notice and put a stop to this. Unfortunately, even more dwarves have gone missing before the walls went up. Green Intern and Malraedior were last seen digging in that area before the fireball crisis. I'm not willing to send anyone else in there to look for them, so we must assume they have perished.  Speaking of doomed dwarves, lunnrais has for some reason wandered further and further from the fort. She has crossed the river into the charred wasteland ruled by the murk zombies. Lowering the gate now poses a risk of her drawing their attention and then running back into the fort with them in tow, so we must leave her to fend for herself.  She did manage to lure that minotaur into a cage trap, so at least I'll not have to worry about that. 23rd Timber, 245 Fireballs have once again started shooting out of the magma pool. This shouldn't be an issue, but of course the resident morons make it one.  Mad Wack and Kenning were heard screaming up above. Now I specifically made sure nobody had ANY reason to be in that area. I told them to ignore everything in there. To barricade it off and forget it even exists. There is ABSOLUTELY NO loving REASON FOR THEM TO BE THERE! gently caress them. They deserve to die for not listening to me. .... Argh, I’ll try to get them out anyways. I’m not going to be terribly upset if they are both scorched corpses by the time the walls get knocked down though. 26th Timber, 245 Kenning has been rescued from his own stupidity. We were not quick enough to save Mad Wack however. Kenning says he saw him burn to death before his eyes.  This raises the question why upon realizing they are trapped they didn't hide in one of the many safe areas that were not exposed to the magma sea. For some reason they were compelled to sit where the fireballs could hit them. Even when they were right next to Malraedior’s burning corpse.  So at the very least we know what happened to him. Kenning said he didn't see Green Intern's corpse though, so who knows where she went. Maybe she fell off the edge into the magma. I doubt we will ever find her corpse.  I’ve ordered the walls reconstructed. I NEVER want to have to deal with this loving thing again. 27th Timber, 245 Amidst all the recent death, it’s hard to remember that this fort does sometimes bring new life.  Immoral Hamster gave birth to a girl named Beanbrew. She says the name is in memory of her deceased husband Dead Cow, though I'm not sure how.  Immoral Hamster seems incredibly happy for someone that has lost both husband and child in rapid succession.  Perhaps she still believes that Green Intern is still alive, somewhere. Doesn't matter to me, though I don't see why these dwarves cling so hard to idle fantasy. Winter will come to Bronzestabbed soon. The pass of seasons means very little when we spend all our time beneath the earth, but it represents a significant amount of time passing since I took control. Yet, I do not feel in control at all. Dark forces are manipulating this fort. They are manipulating it through ME. I did not think such a thing to be possible, but it is the only explanation of recent events. I must figure out how this happening, otherwise I could be the one that destroys this fort. I suspect next month should be rather quiet though, so I’ll have plenty of time to think this over. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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Feb 18, 2013 01:53
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This gimmick is turning out pretty amazing. What can you do to top this one, have two LPers in the same room, one controlling the left side of the keyboard, the other, the right?
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Feb 18, 2013 04:14
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One guy at the computer blindfolded, the other watching over a laggy cell-phone-based video-conference, telling the computer operator what to do via voice commands, the blindfolded operator also holding the phone and pointing it at the screen so the watcher can see. All I know is that I can't wait to go back and read IK's updates. Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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Feb 18, 2013 04:30
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I can't find a dwarf named "Malraedior" in the Dwarfing List. There's a hell of a lot of dwarves there, so I'm not gonna try to just scan through the whole thing. Either a dwarf got misspelled when being dwarfed, or someone got a name that shouldn't have, or something. Also, Internet Kraken, when you welcomed migrants you posted thoughts screens but not skill screens or any indication of their main skills, so I've had to leave that column blank for the most recent migration. If you could post a list of the those dwarves' most advanced skills, and (if they have one) most advanced offensive military skill, I'd be quite grateful.
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Leperflesh posted:I can't find a dwarf named "Malraedior" in the Dwarfing List. There's a hell of a lot of dwarves there, so I'm not gonna try to just scan through the whole thing. Either a dwarf got misspelled when being dwarfed, or someone got a name that shouldn't have, or something. I, on the other hand, have no life, and thus I was able to track it down- Line 190, Maldraedior.
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Feb 18, 2013 15:24
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Ahah. Great, thanks sky shadowing.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I, on the other hand, have no life, and thus I was able to track it down- Line 190, Maldraedior. It was spelled as Malraedior ingame, so for once this isn't my fault! Leperflesh posted:Also, Internet Kraken, when you welcomed migrants you posted thoughts screens but not skill screens or any indication of their main skills, so I've had to leave that column blank for the most recent migration. If you could post a list of the those dwarves' most advanced skills, and (if they have one) most advanced offensive military skill, I'd be quite grateful. Yeah sure I'll throw that in the next update, which should be later today.
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Internet Kraken posted:It was spelled as Malraedior ingame, so for once this isn't my fault! Honestly, the largest motivation for me checking was that I was afraid it was my fault!
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1st Moonstone, 245  The chill of winter has come to Bronzestabbed. I doubt the cold will make any difference to the murk zombies, so my decision to keep the gates closed does not change. I must take this relatively calm time to review my actions and figure out what has been happening to me. But first, I have to deal with Leperfish and his constant need for accurate records. He's upset that I just told the new migrants to do whatever it is they happen to be good at and wants me to actually figure out their skills. What a waste of time! But if it shuts him up I guess I'll do it.  Anchors is a mere child so of course she is completely useless. Why must children sit around doing so little?  Ayana only has minor skills in animal training so he is also worthless. As such he was drafted into the military upon arrival.  Aznua claims to be a ranger but I find her skills to be lacking. Still she has at least held a weapon before so she was also drafted.  Dauntasa made a similar claim but actually had skills to back it up. Obviously I drafted her as well.  Forebodingburger is an engraver. Not even a good one. When I think of the things this fort needs, another idiot running and carving images of dwarves worshipping cheese or other dumb poo poo is not one of them. As such, he was drafted.  GorfZaplen is another completely unremarkable dwarf. If the military wasn’t full she would be drafted, but instead she can spend her time throwing seeds into dirt.  I guess if we ever need some pots made we can ask Maugrim for them. I doubt that will ever come up though so she is another worthless peasant as far as I’m concerned.  Oystertoadfish talks too much and annoys me. However she is good at making clothes, and we do actually need to replace the rags we are wearing. So she might be useful.  Then there is Pookum…who the hell dedicates their life to dyeing? What a weirdo.  We could use more dwarves like Rumda, an experienced ranger. If all our soldiers were as skilled as she is, Bronzestabbed would never fall.  Weaponboy knows his way around a forge, so he is actually useful.  And lastly there is Xenocidal. Only notable thing about him is the amount of enthusiasm he showed when being drafted. Which is good, since he sure as hell isn’t going to waste time cleaning fish anymore. So that’s all the skills of the new arrivals. Most of them are useless and only good as potential recruits, so overall I consider this to be a big waste of my time. At least Leperfish will keep his mouth shut for a while. I don’t mind him, but he can be overbearing at times with his constant record keeping. 2nd Moonstone, 245 Dammit.  Barbarossa died in the hospital. The wounds she sustained fighting off the murk zombie were fatal after all. Shame to see such talent and bravery go to waste. Markus_cz claims he did everything he could to help her but I can't help but feel that our medical program is rather lacking. Dwarves seem to bleed out a lot and those that do survive their stay in the hospital always seem to have permanent damage. Still, I don't have the medical knowledge to know if Markus_cz has lied about his skills.  I guess I'll just have to take his word for it. 3rd Moonstone, 245 I can’t even hear myself think with these constant distractions! Something always comes up, every day, to keep me from sorting this mess out. Today a dwarf named Kal909 demanded I help “rescue” her daughter. I had no idea what the gently caress she was talking about of course, so she led me down to the workshops.  Apparently the child Quixzlizx has barricaded herself inside a workshop and refuses to talk to anyone. She labors on an unseen project, and only communicates with us to gather materials. Kal909 believes she is being controlled by evil spirits and that if I don’t meet their demands something terrible will happen. It seems silly at first, the idea of spirits controlling the living. But events like this have happened before. I wonder if… Well regardless of what is going on this child is wasting labor time by keeping that workshop locked up. She has been sliding pictures under the door of various items, which some dwarves think are what she needs to complete the project. The pictures are of gems, skeletons, leather, and wood. I’d think we would have all those materials, but I guess I’ll have to review the stocks. 6th Moonstone, 245 It just never loving ends.  I had assumed whatever was causing those fireballs to shoot out of the magma sea had vanished, but another dwarf has been incinerated by one. The area I was using as a dumping ground is no longer safe. If we are to continue using the magma sea as a trash burner, I must find a safer place for items to be dumped.  To make matters worse, the pumping project has had unforeseen consequences. There is no longer enough magma beneath our forges to keep them operational. I had assumed any magma removed from the pool would be refilled, but this may not be the case. I’m not sure yet, but I may have to relocate both the pumping project and the forges if the magma does not return. 8th Moonstone, 245 I checked all our stockpiles. We had all the materials that Quixzlizx supposedly needed, yet she still could not complete her project. So I said gently caress it, she would just have to make due with what was available. On reflection this was a poor decision.  Upon realizing her project would never be complete, Quixzlizx burst from the workshop in a mad frenzy.  She had a look of murderous intent in her eyes. DorfXaos screamed in panic and ran for his life, which got the attention of some nearby soldiers.  Pladdicus immediately opened fire, believing that Quixzlizx was some sort of rabid animal from the caves. Despite her bloodthirsty rage, Quixzlizk was still just a child and as a result did not put up much of a fight.  A single stab from Piezrak brought her life to an end. Of course most of the fort is greatly disturbed by us having to butcher one of our own. Kal909 is in hysterics and is accusing me of having her child killed. Now she is screaming about me being some kind of devil. If she does't shut up I'm going to arrange for the hammerer to have a few words with her. It's not my fault this kid snapped! Still to see a child thrown into such a rage...maybe it is true what they say about spirits. If spirits can manipulate the living into doing things like that, what is keeping them from manipulating me? Is this what has been happening? Am I just the pawn of some spirit? What...what the hell is going on here? 
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That poor kid.  Maybe the bones were rotten?
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The only thing rotten here is the quality of our Dwarven Medical Science.
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GrabbinPeels posted:The only thing rotten here is the quality of our Dwarven Medical Science. That, is no joke.
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"Okay, it's time to catch up on Bronzestabbed." *clicks* "...wow, I haven't read this in how long?" "...wait what?" "OH NO MY DORF WHERE IS SHE?!" "... oh god what."  Suffice to say that things have gotten awesome in only the way these LPs can. (  ) We have had some quality Overseers, and my hat is off to you all! I would love to find out what happened to my dwarf but I think that'll probably have to wait until I can dig through Legends.
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How do you get better at medicine, anyway? I imagine there's nothing like sparring, you can't practice your stitching on a butchered cow or anything.
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Yeah, only fresh bleeding meat on the operating table does it. People have made mods with custom "study hall" workshops to train those difficult skills.
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Glazius posted:How do you get better at medicine, anyway? I imagine there's nothing like sparring, you can't practice your stitching on a butchered cow or anything. Soap. Lots of soap.
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Lawman 0 posted:That poor kid. I have no clue why the kid wouldn't finish her project. As far as I can tell we did have every necessary object. I thought maybe she needed metal blocks but we had those, and their are plenty of butchered animal parts. Maybe if I had more time I could've figured it out but I only noticed the kid like 4 days before she went crazy.
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Rurik posted:Didn't someone calculate the actual chance in percentages of Munki not winning any of the rolls thus far? Any reasonably specific event is vanishingly improbable. Sevariat fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 19, 2013 |
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Was the kid in a burrow that excluded her access from it? Or does DF still have that thing where they sometimes ask for gems but really want glass? Maybe the gems needed to be cut?
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Sorry for the long delay on this one, today was my annual review so I was prepping for that the last couple days. Now that that's over, though, I can go back to neglecting my day job like a good overseer.
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Ha! I didn't have to neglect my day job to get a good turn!  I don't have one to neglect. 
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Feb 20, 2013 21:40
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There seems to be some confusion here on the respective importance of the day job and the leisure time activity. Or even which is which.
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Hey guys so I'm going on vacation for a few days, tomorrow through Monday. I'll have my kindle with me so in theory I could update the OP but it's kind of a pain in the rear end to edit that huge post on a tiny screen so I'll probably not bother. Everyone behave till I get back.
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Hey Bad Munki make sure to check your private messages before posting your next update.
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Internet Kraken posted:Hey Bad Munki make sure to check your private messages before posting your next update. I for one will not stand for collaboration in this collaborative overseership
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