CCKeane posted:

Merk's case on me.

kilran posted:

I'm tired. I have a 4.5 hr round trip to work each day.

kilran posted:

I have a 4.5 hr round trip to work each day.

JakeP posted:

I have similar problems kilran because I work from home, but if I want to go to the store at around 5 there is traffic, and thats annoying

CCKeane posted:

Haha job havers, it looks like the unemployed have the last laugh yet again!!!

JakeP posted:

Show a ticket for your round trip and I wont vote you

Rascyc posted:

It makes sense to me from a Cpig PoV if he's town.

It's a little different, but not that different.

Somberbrero posted:

Can you explain that to me because I don't see how that makes sense? presuming judgments about winvirus sanity or his general fuckery before assuming a lie seems specious at best imo

kilran i hope your home/job is awesome/pays well.

CapitalistPig posted:

This isn't even close to worth it unless you make 6 figures a year at least.

Rascyc posted:

I'll have to go back and check later but I'm pretty sure he did all of the above concurrently when he said "you'r either lying as scum or you're dumb" which is implicit that town lying = dumb (which it is). His chain lynch makes sense to me from his pov because he wants something to result from his death

CapitalistPig posted:

Don't let him slide on this weak bullshit.

If he's telling the truth he is a paranoid because I'm VT go ahead and kill me so you can lynch somber and then this guy.

Rascyc posted:

I don't think anyone in this entire thread took win's claim seriously except you and you did it without even thinking about all the pressure that was immediately mounted on you from day start

Somberbrero posted:

this was his first reaction that i quoted earlier tho and i feel that's the most important.



I know it's winvirus but outside of that I don't think it's worth doubting. If win virus is lying purposefully as town then he's being actively untown and will die for it so I don't think he'd do it. i don't think i totally understand why you'd vote me wrt my cpig vote but i understand the immediate votes following the day open even less.

Rascyc posted:

The short version is that your vote on Merk on d1 was based on him refusing to claim which was a pretty meh reason to vote him, but the whole time you were screaming Rarity was scum when she was voting on Merk the whole time. You never addressed this at all as far as I can tell.

Rascyc posted:

It's like you weren't keeping track of your cases/votes the entire time and were more concerned about kicking up dust to get people to focus on someone not-CE. Merk was the second vote leader at the time so it made sense to push that, but you didn't want to push the case that was going up against him at the time.

Somberbrero posted:

bored and waiting for reports to upload, someone else come post please.

Vote capitalist p because winvirus got a scum investigation.

Vote mets because his reasons for voting me are completely & transparently fake.

Rarity please explain why you legitimately believe I was trying to no-lynch day one. thanks and godbless.

CapitalistPig posted:

Fixed it

Winny posted:

Well gently caress, I was about to bust in here all confident until I saw the flips.

Okay, time for me to claim. I'm also a cop, but because of meinberg's flip, my sanity is unreliable, obviously, unless we have two sane cops for some reason?? I got a scum result on capitalistpig.

I still think lynching cpig is a good idea, and also I am not bullshitting around. At the very least we can learn if I'm insane or paranoid.

##vote cpig

PS I didn't make a big post like I said I would because I went and got drunk instead. Sorrynotsorry

CapitalistPig posted:

Don't let him slide on this weak bullshit.

If he's telling the truth he is a paranoid because I'm VT go ahead and kill me so you can lynch somber and then this guy.

##vote somber

Somberbrero posted:

Somberbrero posted:

I don't think it's really at all fair to say that's why I was voting merk.

Somberbrero posted:

this is weird

##unvote
##vote merk

what does not claiming actually accomplish?

Somberbrero posted:

His scumhunting today consists of piledriving a bad poster pretty much everyone has also called out. He refuses to claim and that's actively untown. It's a bullshit power play and I want to call him out on it. Putting it inside the content of "changing mafia culture" is so scummy holy poo poo. He is blatantly manipulating people and no one cares. His response to my poo poo was so disingenuous that it was like something that is also very disingenuous.

Somberbrero posted:

Okay that's fair. Full context, vote CipPag because this was his immediate reaction.

Somberbrero posted:

Rarity please explain why you legitimately believe I was trying to no-lynch day one. thanks and godbless.

Somberbrero posted:

As much as I love rando turbos Crazy is fine if we can't lynch merk. Would prefer winvirus or rarity though.

Somberbrero posted:

I forget when the deadline is, but I am fine with lynching winvirus, rarity, and crazy eyes in order of preference.

Somberbrero posted:

I read this last page of merk and while I have mad respect for ras and yuming I don't see the merk case.

For my own sake because this game moves fast and is hard to follow, I want to lynch any of these people today.

ce - Cpig vote is weird since he completely ignores winvirus because of his perceived meta-notions but he is ready to call out Cpig on low effort. Also weird because CPig is posting hard and I like him this game. However, I like this post okay.

Somberbrero posted:

merk and Crazy Eyes are the vote leaders, it's twelve hours until deadline and the thread is pretty quiet. I'm fine trying to push for a different lynch candidate because I'm not nuts about either of those two, but it's probably not going to happen.

Somberbrero posted:

this is weird

##unvote
##vote merk

what does not claiming actually accomplish?

Somberbrero posted:

Actually reading this I feel way better about CE being town because I feel like I'm being manipulated by you.

Somberbrero posted:

As much as I love rando turbos Crazy is fine if we can't lynch merk. Would prefer winvirus or rarity though.

Rascyc posted:

?

Rarity posted:

Time's starting to get tight and no other viable lynch candidates have shown up. Somber's suddenly gone cool on Crazy, he never gives a reason for the change of mind.

Somberbrero posted:

i do actually in that post you quoted!

Somberbrero posted:

You quoted other reasons in that post and there are more in my history :\

Rascyc posted:

I disagree. Can you explain? It all rooted itself when Merk did the "I'm not going to claim" thing. You reacted so weirdly to it that I read it as distancing at the time.

merk posted:

A role claim by itself should not sway anyone's vote in any direction, so I'm no longer claiming on day 1. It's the 'soru strategy'.

Somberbrero posted:

No I'm voting you now because you're being a huge goddamn weirdo and you're not playing mafia, which is scummy.

Winvirus is scum too and you should vote him. You should be fighting to lynch anyone besides yourself rather than trying to change the culture of mafia. I'm voting him using this radical new approach that is based on a mix of content and gut. What do you think?

merk posted:

I have played more mafia this game day than the entire thread combined. Your vote... sucks.

What do you think of CE?

Juanito posted:

This is an amazing case. Amazingly bad.

Somberbrero posted:

I will do my best!

Going back to page 17, I saw this as an attempt to shift discussion away from scummy behavior and ironically provide a distraction to merk's actual content.


Instead of making a choice to defend himself or push crazy here, he chooses here to focus on meta-mafia arguments. I realize that this is in response to my questioning him, but he brings up the point to begin with.

I still have trouble with this behavior.

Reading my response now, I don't fully get this point across in that moment.


His response is dismissive and arrogant. I've been trying to pay a lot more attention to when players dismiss points against them and only pretend to address whatever concerns are presented in the post, like here.


I actually respond in the affirmative, saying that we should also lynch ce. When I reread that ce post a little later though, I feel like I'm being manipulated, hence "merk fear".

Merk calls out CE for just commenting on other cases rather than pushing his own. I'm pushing other cases and he doesn't even bother to comment.

I could go on but the further we get away from the genesis of my vote the less relevant this content becomes. I'm beat and this post is starting to feel incoherent, so I'll just get right to it.

##duel Capitalist Pig

merk posted:

I think CPig is a good vote. His content yesterday jumping to and off of CrazyEyes multiple times looks scummy. He's also the only person CrazyEyes cased/voted, and the case/vote looks like something completely awful with trumped up language to sound legitimate. That is, it looks like it could be a bus/distance. With this stuff and winvirus' result (even with a Cop flip out there), I don't see why we wouldn't lynch CPig.
##vote Pig