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TildeATH posted:Edit: Holy poo poo! I think Pozzo was referring to my earliest diaper-days of SA... Maybe that's what I was pissed at, but I remember disliking Fire Snakes. Yeah, probably. Folk didn't like the sacrifice of a migrant to test a danger-room or something and then she started flooding caravans into the caverns. Many a cot was violently emptied of toys at this behaviour, I remember. As for criticising Overseers sure knock yourselves out but you still don't get a say, in the end. Of all the LP's the one overseer that I think was most deserving of criticism was Charlie72 who was terrible at pretty much every aspect of it, and he not only did not respond to any of the criticism, he didn't even acknowledge it in thread. Then he disappeared from the thread immediately afterwards. So there you go, I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.
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FinalSin posted:Seeing as I'm going to turn up a Cheesemaker or something and walk into a goblin ambush, I'd say it's a pretty good dwarf story. I dunno. When I first saw my dwarf I thought "How unlucky, he has no useful skills and is afraid of combat." Now I realize that being practically agoraphobic and having no talents to draw one outside or into other Places One Shouldn't Be is a recipe for a long, if not necessarily exciting, life. I applaud our overseer's decisions so far - and though I am no brewer I hope he will continue to let me try my hand at other various Safely Interior trades...
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Pozzo posted:Sorry I may not have made it clear but I was basically agreeing with your sentiment there. To be fair, there is a difference between intentionally skewering some poor migrants and accidentally having someone starve because the well is inaccessible. It was an honest mistake, and we shouldn't expect flawless playing out of overseers. Otherwise you might as well complain about every death in the caverns that has been caused by overseers not stomping on dangerous animals the second they show up. VVVV Welp, knew I was forgetting something. I thought Boing intentionally killed those dwarves. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Except the skewering wasn't even intentional, it was accidental because there was confusion over regular spears vs. training spears.  Look, there's a solution for all of this: make me overseer. I'll give EVERYONE something to hate. Together.
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Bad Munki posted:Look, there's a solution for all of this: make me overseer. I'll give EVERYONE something to hate. Together. I'd vote for you, just as long as you don't fondle either me or pixelme.
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 28th Opal, 238 Two weeks ago I woke from a strange dream. At least I thought it was a dream. As I woke, I stood in a workshop, woodworking tools in one hand and a strange scepter in the other. My muscles ached, and it felt like I hadn't slept in years. Slow fading memories spoke of a realm beyond what we see with our mundane eyes, and I wonder if I traveled there while I was asleep. As I stumbled out of the workshop, dwarves came to support me, and they asked me if I was alright. Surely but slowly, I realized I had created this scepter, and shivers ran down my spine as I realized the implications. I had been the subject of a Mood. I first took the scepter to my father, who then took it to Nettle Soup. Nettle Soup estimated it was worth 13,200. I was stunned, and when they asked me what the scepter would be called, I muttered "Naragseth Tislam Roth", as if those three words had been with me from birth. The next morning, as I wandered the fortress and reflected on my strange journey, I found a piece of wood and a small knife. In minutes, I had fashioned a beautiful eagle in mid-flight, all from a bare piece of wood. I believe I have found my calling. I am not one to change directions on a whim, but I see now what these hands can accomplish. I can be a great asset to the fortress, and I do not wish to insult whatever forces commanded me. --- This is a tower-cap message-board. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. To: Overseer Zapdos Lensblaze From: Black Griffon Pulleymute Requisition form for private workshop I will not go into useless poetic appeals in this request, you have no love for that. Instead state my request bluntly, as I know you favor that Way. My Skill with woodworking tools is undeniable. I have shown that with the forging of Naragseth, and I can show it again on request. Those of us with my level of Competence are few and far between, and for that reason, I believe I can be a greater asset if I am given my own workshop. We both know that I have no other skills of value. I've grown bored of training beasts, and without that I am nothing. We've been gifted by whatever forces set this Mood on me. Use that gift as best you can. Our fortunes rise and fall together.
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drat, y'all need to calm down. The fortress moves on. Thinking more on the auditorium, there'd need to be multiple z-levels of open space in addition to an orchestral pit. For acoustics, I'm presuming you'd need something like arched ceilings and the like? Not sure how that works out.
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aldantefax posted:Thinking more on the auditorium, there'd need to be multiple z-levels of open space in addition to an orchestral pit. For acoustics, I'm presuming you'd need something like arched ceilings and the like? Not sure how that works out. Yeah, the professional halls tend to be massive spaces that narrow down toward the stage, which is slightly elevated off the floor level, with multiple levels of balconies and boxes stretching back. Not that we need that. Provided someone is actually bored enough to build it at some point, the easiest and most basic would be what's in the diagram; a two z-level space with the audience seated at the lowest z-level, and the stage one z-level above the floor. Something a little more realistic would be to have a multiple z-level space with the same stage one z-level above the seating area, but then once you're back a few tiles from the stage, have the audience area slope upward toward the back of the hall, with the furthest back rows of seats at or above the level of the stage. Then again, if someone wanted to go completely nuts, they could try their hand at one of these: Orchestra Hall; Symphony Center, Chicago   Uihlein Hall; Marcus Center, Milwaukee   Overture Hall; Overture Center, Madison 
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Leperflesh posted:OK guys, let's not forget that Zaodai-dwarf murdered another dwarf while having a temper tantrum. And, the well not working isn't exactly the overseer's fault either. Nor is the invasion trapping them inside. And I believe there was already a jail, so the only option he really had was whether or not to convict. I had this come up in a game yesterday. A chained dwarf was starving and dehydrated, and despite having 30 idlers (mostly adults with feed prisoners enabled) no one could be bothered to help him out. Feeding prisoners is an incredibly low priority job now. I ordered his chain deconstructed, and someone came along to do that job right away.  Anyway deconstructing his chain freed him (this probably wouldn't work with cages) and he immediately gobbled down a meal before the sheriff came and locked him to another chain. I deconstructed that chain, and he ran to the booze stockpile, where the sheriff apprehended him and dragged him back to the jail with the barrel of wine in his arms. When he was chained again he dropped the barrel, but he wouldn't drink out of it despite it being inside his chain range. I put a food stockpile under the barrel, still no joy. As long as he was chained he wouldn't eat or drink from stockpiles he could reach (this is different then what I've observed before 2012). Finally I designated his chain for deconstruction again, and as soon as someone arrived to destroy it I locked the door to the jail. Once freed he grabbed the barrel and had a drink. Then I unlocked the door and the sheriff locked him back up. His sentence ended safely a few weeks later and he went back to work. Apparently the dwarf justice system has been taking lessons from RL and wants prisoners to suffer as much as possible in this version. 30 idle dwarfs refused to feed him for several minutes. At least 20 of those were adults, and 2 of those adults were "nurses" who enjoy helping others and who have NO jobs but feeding patients/prisoners enabled. Jobs to deconstruct the chain (furniture moving?) and jobs to chain a prisoner were both done almost instantly. I did see them take food to bedridden patients several times in that game, so it isn't that feeding jobs were totally broken, just feeding chained prisoners. Another prisoner in that same game died of dehydration when I wasn't paying attention. I had a well, in fact I had six fully functional wells nearby and dozens of free buckets. TL;dr: chained dwarf was freed 3 times, and 3 times the sheriff simply chained him back up. No beatings, no extra punishment for "escaping". While free he was able to eat and drink normally.
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Rabble rabble rabble is all I am seeing. Can we get back to the game? I thought it was pretty funny, but my dwarf didn't which is why I kept it to a journal entry, but if that caused this. Ooops.
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Angela Christine posted:I had this come up in a game yesterday. A chained dwarf was starving and dehydrated, and despite having 30 idlers (mostly adults with feed prisoners enabled) no one could be bothered to help him out. Feeding prisoners is an incredibly low priority job now. I ordered his chain deconstructed, and someone came along to do that job right away. I know I've had that happen before. And yet in this very same fort (post-turn farting around) I've seen dwarfs happily feed prisoners, regardless of chain or cage. I wasn't even paying attention to jobs and had few idlers. I have never yet seen a prisoner feed themselves or do anything but No Job (or tantrum). Leperflesh posted:If nobody in-game reports being a witness, there is literally nothing else in-game you can do to investigate a murder. You can't actually question witnesses, or examine evidence. The game just doesn't provide that. Again in this fort, I have seen a tantruming dwarf break the mayor's leg. Which interrupted him from reporting the crime, so he could go rest his injury. Plenty of other dwarfs were around, and one child also had the report crime job showing. Yet the crime was never reported. In this case there was no body to report, so the game forgot about it. Self-same dwarf continued to tantrum and went beserk, then attacked a war dog in a main corridor with much the same end effect as Ajaxify. And all with no pants  Loden Taylor posted:Yeah, the professional halls tend to be massive spaces that narrow down toward the stage, which is slightly elevated off the floor level, with multiple levels of balconies and boxes stretching back. Not that we need that. Spider Cavern is ready made for purpose  e: Apeynap is the son of Zaodai, with his wife Hutter. They have no children as yet. But overthefalls may yet have hope that her cursed family line will continue
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I thought my son died to a monster attack before I arrived at the fort?
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Zaodai posted:I thought my son died to a monster attack before I arrived at the fort? Not according to what I have. Apeynap was still alive and well as at end of my turn. John Charity Springs was the son of i poo poo trains, so your nephew e: Just looked back, and Apeynap arrived at the same time you did, during JamieTheD's turn. OhCrap fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Angela Christine posted:I deconstructed that chain, and he ran to the booze stockpile, where the sheriff apprehended him and dragged him back to the jail with the barrel of wine in his arms. That was pretty hilarious to imagine.
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Seeing as jails seem to be broken as of now, I propose that the justice system be replaced with HAMMERINGS FOR ALL 
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So everyone who was crying out for Zaodai's freedom was actually very concerned for his well-being? Coulda fooled me. I propose that we link up half of the chains and cages to a special lever, and every so often, when there are prisoners, the overseer dispatches a dwarf to pull the lever. This frees the dwarves and allows them to get at a nearby food and booze stockpile, and when they're fed, we allow the sheriff in to put them back in jail in the other half of the chains and cages. Which are linked up to a second special lever.
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Thadius posted:So everyone who was crying out for Zaodai's freedom was actually very concerned for his well-being? That seems unnecessarily complicated, even for dwarf fortress. Each time you free someone you'd have to manually re-link a bunch of stuff. Just ditch the cages in the prison, use them for cage traps. Disassembling a chain manually frees the prisoner, and you only have to do the one you want. Keep small food and booze stockpiles in the prison room, prisoners won't have time to make it to the dining room before the sheriff catches up with them anyway. If you were a prisoner, would your really want a bunch of naked police officers chasing you through the halls?
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Angela Christine posted:Just ditch the cages in the prison, use them for cage traps. Disassembling a chain manually frees the prisoner, and you only have to do the one you want. Keep small food and booze stockpiles in the prison room, prisoners won't have time to make it to the dining room before the sheriff catches up with them anyway. Yes. quote:If you were a prisoner, would your really want a bunch of naked police officers chasing you through the halls? Also yes.
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Zaodai posted:Leperflesh, I specifically said that it wasn't a matter of my death not being heroic. For future reference, no overseer is generally "held accountable" for individual dwarf deaths for any reason. Most dwarves die ignoble, pointless, often nonsensical deaths. It happens. Gross negligence isn't so much punished as expected. That said, playful poo poo-talking is encouraged. For example, I would certainly have gone to great lengths to keep a plot-important dwarf alive. 
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I got my ranting out of my system already (if not all the alcohol.  ) so I won't really be making GBS threads up the thread with stuff about my dwarf in the future, barring maybe a last journal entry to round things out when I'm in a bit more normal state of mind.For now, I'll be rooting for my son. The spreadsheet says he's a Farmer, so he might just produce more of our family line. And then they'll stab and punch all the goblins and minotaurs. But especially the werehyenas.
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aldantefax posted:Thinking more on the auditorium, there'd need to be multiple z-levels of open space in addition to an orchestral pit. For acoustics, I'm presuming you'd need something like arched ceilings and the like? Not sure how that works out. See, this is what I'm talking about people. Auditoria? Maybe we could get at least a drawbridge and moat constructed before we start worrying about performance art.
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Pussy Cartel posted:All this time we were worried about dwarven deaths causing a tantrum spiral in Bronzestabbed, but never once did we imagine that the real tantrum spiral might be right in this very thread. A tendon of the narrative has been deconstructed! The tantruming user strikes the Overseer in the story with his New Criticism! Suspension of Disbelief has been torn!
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Arglebargle III posted:See, this is what I'm talking about people. Auditoria? Maybe we could get at least a drawbridge and moat constructed before we start worrying about performance art. Sure, drawbridges and moats and other defensive works might help keep the fortress alive longer, but at what cost? At what cost?
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Skanky Burns posted:Sure, drawbridges and moats and other defensive works might help keep the fortress alive longer, but at what cost? At what cost? Won't someone think of the children?!
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6th Opal, 238 It seems we arrived at Bronzestabbed at the eleventh hour. Our journey was harmless and indeed pleasant, but only a little time has passed after we had arrived and already the fortress is besieged by goblins. Strange to see them here again, since it was because of them we left in the first place. Of course these goblins act differently than those back home - these wear armor and indeed seem quite intent at killing us. Race relations in this new colony are even worse than they were at home. The fortress itself buzzes with discontent, too. When we arrived, I spied a smelly, dirty dwarf near the entrance. He looked at me grimly from his small cage. At first I thinked of him as simply a bum incarcerated for who knows what ill behavior. At least his appearance didn't convey the image of an honorable warrior who has had almost all of his clan wiped out for the cause of Bronzestabbed - as I am now told by his partisans he was! Apparently this dwarf, this Zaodai, has died of thirst and a lot of dwarves who demanded his release in the first place (it seems Zaodai's guilt was not established entirely clearly) are now really angry. They're not calling for the Overseer's blood, at least not openly, but I think Zapdos may have lost crucial support he needs in this hour of siege. Discontent is bound grow when the forges go cold as the fuel supplies are extinguished. This fortress knows no magma yet and we can't get wood because of the goblins outside. The Overseer's decision to turtle up inside hasn't been popular among the dwarves who have grown restless because of the siege, the loss of a hero, the lack of trading possibilities despite the traders being outside - and who are now facing joblessness as well, since forges going cold will shut down an entire industry. I think if Zapdos doesn't act soon and attack the besiegers, he will either have an "accident" or a violent overthrow will occur. And if he does act, an attack against the goblins will lead to many deaths and injuries. Whatever happens I'll have work to do. I am a surgeon.
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Zapdos posted:Look at the bottom of the comments. It also has happened to me before. At least we don't need to worry about migrants getting murdered. When under siege no migrants or caravans turn up (That doesn't mean a siege cannot show up right after migrants arrive and kill the poo poo out of them though). Also, Leperflesh, Can you please alter my preference to Mechanic/Siege Engineer/Siege Operator (I'm 213 on the list). I sincerely hope to be the maker and owner of a dwarven catapult.
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In light of this, Could I get my dwarf re-job assigned to Gaoler? Just make a burrow for one dwarf with food and the prison cells, assign only feed prisoners to the dwarf. A nice dank room next to the cells would be nice too.
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Van Kraken posted:Seeing as jails seem to be broken as of now, I propose that the justice system be replaced with HAMMERINGS FOR ALL I second this motion. Nothing gets the point of the law across as well as a bash to the face.
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Chickenfrogman posted:I second this motion. Nothing gets the point of the law across as well as a bash to the face. I swear, your dwarf takes far too much pleasure in hammering I have come up with an idea to protect Apeynap from harm. We need to protect the last of Ventnor and overthefalls' line. First we'll need a lot of cloth from the hospital. Gypsum plaster is optional. Second, we'll need to keep him away from open flames. As a bonus, if he drinks enough, he'll be pre-embalmed for a tomb if the worse should happen!  It's gonna take a while to get the hang of the tablet, sigh
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Dwarves die at the whim or inattention of the overseer. The only questions are when and how. This is as it should be. Blood for the blood god.
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 Traditional Dwarven Work Song The dwarves go mining one by one, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining one by one, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining one by one, Digging down until we find Fun And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining two by two, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining two by two, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining two by two Urist died retrieving a shoe And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining three by three, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining three by three, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining three by three When the elves march, we'll burn every tree And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining four by four, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining four by four, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining four by four With magma, monsters and demon in store And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining five by five, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining five by five, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining five by five So long as there's earth, we shall survive And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining six by six, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining six by six, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining six by six Stay out of the sun, it makes you sick And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining seven by seven, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining seven by seven, Down to hell and far from heaven And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining eight by eight, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining eight by eight Pull the lever and close the gate And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining nine by nine, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining nine by nine The enemy's coming, it's past our time And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim The dwarves go mining ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining ten by ten, hurrah, hurrah The dwarves go mining ten by ten, We're borne of earth and return again And we all go mining down, in the ground Until we're Ugath's claim girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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^^^ This is far catchier than it has any right to be.
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Pickled Tink posted:Also, Leperflesh, Can you please alter my preference to Mechanic/Siege Engineer/Siege Operator (I'm 213 on the list). I sincerely hope to be the maker and owner of a dwarven catapult. Done Dementedghost posted:In light of this, Could I get my dwarf re-job assigned to Gaoler? Just make a burrow for one dwarf with food and the prison cells, assign only feed prisoners to the dwarf. Done. But, in all honesty, I feel I have to tell you that it's very unlikely you'll get dwarfed - you're down below 500 on the list, and it'll be very unusual if we even make it to 400.
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 1st-9th Obsidian, 238 Hard decisions must now be made. The merchants' last report indicated 15 goblins still in the area, but they are now scattered after some took up chase of animals. Now is the time to strike.    Their leader was also still missing, and his pet toad now as well. We will not get a better opportunity.  We grouped on the hill above the entrance and prepared ourselves.   Bad Munki ordered the charge.  The One-Way Outs loosed a volley and we all rushed to engage them.  TremendousMajestic and SourceElement knocked a goblin hammerer into a pond after being dealt minor injuries.   OhCrap sliced off one's leg and arm while DrMelon broke its bones.    Magrov recklessly moved to attack. He is barely equipped and has been seriously wounded.  Idles' leg was broken but she bravely fought on. Only two were left from that group.   Only one remained.  It attempted to flee but was caught.   Finally the battle was over.  Yet from our vantage point we could see that the goblins had not broken and run as we had hoped.   I wanted to fight on. Rest of militia all agreed. The only way to secure our fortresses safety was to eliminate them all.  Mortal Sword was left behind, collapsed from exhaustion. We quickly found a single goblin. DrMelon dealt the killing blow. He has done very well so far, suffering only a bruised hand.   The next escaped, but only after losing his hand.   We crashed into the next group.  DrMelon quickly became proficient in bashing goblins, even if it was with a crossbow.  He, Nomikos and myself ganged up on one. Nomikos sliced off body parts while DrMelon and I crushed it.  The other was also nearly dealt with when we heard the tragic news.   My beloved wife was struck down by a goblin who snuck up on the marksdwarves behind us.  He quickly charged Internet Kraken while the rest of us wheeled around to help.  He ran when he saw us climb the slope. He did not make it far. I only regret I was not able to avenge Tosca Cake myself.  Then my son did something very unwise. Perhaps enraged by the loss of his mother, he charged the remaining four goblins along with Source Element and TremendousMajestic.  Munki wasted no time in ordering our last charge.  We were too late.  Tremendous Majestic had begun to get a feel for his warhammer but both he and Source Element were greviously hurt and disarmed.     Source Element lost his composure and started wildly swinging at the goblins while they pummeled him. Tremendous Majestic fainted from the pain of his wounds.  Unfortunately they were both dead before we could reach them.    DrMelon was struck down.   I suffered greatly.   We were finally victorious, though at what cost?     (OOC: Welp)
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SECRET JOURNAL OF FIDDLER THREE GRANITECLOISTER IF YOU ARE NOT FIDDLER THREE GRANITECLOISTER, DO NOT READ 9th Obsidian 238 It is hard to write my thoughts. Father is dead. Grandmother is dead. Mother is injured. Grandfather is injured. The battle was fierce. I watched from the hill as my family fought for Bronzestabbed. They were weak of arm but fought bravely and well, and made Kills of the Goblin Invaders even as the Goblin Invaders sought to make Kills of them. Now the Goblin Invaders are no more, but the Fortress itself is weak of arm. Many Soldiers are dead. Many more are injured. I feel somber. But there is need of my strength of arm now. I must persuade Grandfather to see this, and to give me my own axe. It is true I have no Skill of yet, but I shall learn. In memory of Father, Black Griffon Pulleymute, I shall make Kills of many Goblins.
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