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OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!

Fargo Fukes posted:

To put you out of your misery, combat reports don't go away in-game. If Minty hacks a goblins head off, goes inside to have lunch, has a snooze, patrols aimlessly for a few months, then rips the legs off a war bear, Minty's combat report will show him hacking the head off a goblin then ripping the legs off a bear with no apparent division between the two. The combat report is showing the same weasel as ever.

Different weasel from Bad Weasel. But that's ok.

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OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!


From the Overseer Diary of OhCrap Mountainmist, 238, Bronzestabbed


23rd Malachite 238

Dwarfs have finished Walls. It is better for Kilrudzat. Still much more to Do.



I order Mortal Sword to join Own Fine Squad. Bad Munki crankies that she only has 9 dwarfs in Stormy Lancers. I do not Heed.



Mayor Kaishai crankies that she does not have Own Fine Room yet. I order TremendousMajestic to help Mine to Do Faster. He complains of no Sieges to Operate, anyway.




26th Malachite 238

Vox Nihili labours at Make Copper Crafts. Vox Nihili does not forget of greaves and mail shirts.




28th Malachite 238

Who found Bikindok Bits? Tomb was to be for Good Dwarf Moonwalk! I needed tomb for Leal, who I do not know to be Good Dwarf. Now because of Bikindok, I must do tomb for Moonwalk and Leal. Bikindok! :argh:



Markus_Cz advises that Qword is Chirurgeon and Assists with Medic duties.




5th Galena 238

Teim labours to Make Blocks and Coffins.



Markus_Cz does Apply Cast to Mzbundifund.



Idles advises of Good Care by Markus_cz and Natty Ninefingers.



Many beds are made Ready. Soon more Quarters will be required.




7th Galena 238

I order Well be made Pretty. No Dwarf likes a Sandy Well.




9th Galena 238

Vim Fuego labours at Mine Mayor Kaishai room.




11th Galena 238

I order Stormy Lancers to explore Spider and Troglodyte cavern more.




12th Galena 238

i poo poo trains shouts of Bad Big Lizards!

scamtank
Feb 24, 2011

my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL


Poor lizards. :allears:

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

Fargo Fukes posted:

To put you out of your misery, combat reports don't go away in-game.

This does in fact make me feel very dumb! I was right about one thing at least :shobon:

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost
I just wanted to say that I am really loving these updates, OhCrap. I can't help but laugh every time I see Something.Engraving.

Oh, and those poor lizards don't stand a chance against the legendary i poo poo trains. It's almost unfair.

scamtank
Feb 24, 2011

my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL


Nemo2342 posted:

Oh, and those poor lizards don't stand a chance against the legendary i poo poo trains. It's almost unfair.

Take note that he's in a martial trance. Lower bodies are gonna fly by the next update.

e: on that note, I did a double take when the minotaur got cut in half. Just how strong is i poo poo trains?

Ignimbrite
Jan 5, 2010

BALLS BALLS BALLS
Dinosaur Gum
Does lepermod increase the rate of Martial Trances? I haven't seen one for a few fortresses. Either way, Bad Lizards are soon to be do Dead.

DrMelon
Oct 9, 2010

You can find me in the produce aisle of the hospital.



17 Malachite, 238
I have arrived at BronnzeStabed and as such I want to keep A Record of My Time Here. I may not be so good at writinges, unlikke the engrafers whom I look up to, but I Understand Cheese, and have spent much of my time toiling by the churn. The Cart Journey here was uneventful savve for the unwanted presence of, of all things, flies among the cheeses. What does a fly want among Cheese? It cannot cut the Rind. It has no cheese axe.

SourceElement swore up and down she saw a scary weasel fighting a kangaroo but there was No Sight of such a Thinge when I did look and sommetimes I do not tryst her jujment.


23 Malachite, 238
I am young of age and full of beard and muscle, and so would hope that one day I could join the ranks of the great warriors here - I have heard storyees traded about by the dwarvves at the fine tables in this Place, and the Great Warrior 'i poo poo trainnes' was only days ago going on an expedition into the caves below this fortress. I awaitte his returne and I one day hope to see him in acshun.

I noted there are menny good doktor dwarves here. I have very sturdy and steady hands from cutting cheese and I dowt therre is much differense in cutting a cheese and cutting a dwarf. Once you get past the rind it is Much The Same.

I couldde be a good Doctor as well as a Fighter. But I will not leave the humble days of Cheese until my own young Nekomata can replace me.

DrMelon fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jul 22, 2012

OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!


From the Overseer Diary of OhCrap Mountainmist, 238, Bronzestabbed


12th Galena 238


To Help or To Cheer?




Ventnor shouts "I'm a-comin' Son!"



Bad Big Lizard stabs i poo poo trains!



Oh no!



i poo poo trains :smith:



Ventnor crankies Bad Big Lizards!



Oh no!



Ventnor does not look so hot!



Ventnor :smith:




13th Galena 238


neongrey Fast Runs at Bad Big Lizards!



I ALREADY KNOW NEONGREY! DO NOT LET BAD BIG LIZARDS STAB!






COME ON NEONGREY!



PLEASE DO NOT DEAD NEONGREY I WILL BE A BAD OVERSEER



Neongrey :smith:




14th Galena 238

I KNOW THAT MLLE DO NOT LET BAD BIG LIZARDS STAB!



BAD MUNKI AND TOSCA CAKE RUN TO HELP MLLE!



NOMIKOS FAST RUNS AT BAD BIG LIZARDS!



MLLE RUNS FROM BAD BIG LIZARDS



CHEETAH OF WAR HELPS NOMIKOS



BAD BIG LIZARDS CHASE MLLE. BAD MUNKI FAST RUNS TO HELP MLLE.



NOMIKOS FIGHTS MANY BAD BIG LIZARDS



LIZARDS RUN FROM NOMIKOS AND ZAODAI AND CHEETAH OF WAR



BAD MUNKI DUELS BAD BIG LIZARD HIGH ABOVE



NOMIKOS AND ZAODAI AND CHEETAH OF WAR FIGHT TO SAVE MLLE



Mlle :smith:




15th Galena 238

ZAODAI REVENGES



NOMIKOS AND JOECOOL REVENGE




:supaburn: OH NO! :supaburn:




I am a Bad Overseer. Worst.

OhCrap fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jul 22, 2012

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


If I survive this, I demand to have my weapon forcibly upgraded! :colbert:

i poo poo trains :(

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


i poo poo trains :(

He deserves beautiful music.

scamtank
Feb 24, 2011

my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL


i poo poo trains! :ohdear:

We need a hero crypt.

Anchors
Nov 27, 2007
I hope i poo poo trains' crypt is spider shaped. The arachnodwarf is dead, long live the arachnodwarf.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
My poor family. :smith:

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

22nd Hematite 238

I was up to my eyes in lye when I was told I have been made mayor of Bronzestabbed. This is as exciting as it is bemusing. My stance on the economy must be popular, namely what should be traded for, namely things which have been in a furnace or which could be thrown in a furnace without making dwarves weep. My new duties as I understand them are to talk with the liaison from the mountainhome when he comes, console weeping dwarves, and take many baths so I won't become a hypocrite. In exchange for this I get my own room that promises to have lovely malachite in it and the right to mandate goods and probably be ignored. I can demand Gnu Sheriff In Town throw a dwarf in a cage if I am ignored though. The Overseer seems impressed with her, and she does have an eye for criminals.

It is sobering news too. Until this my only job was to make bars of things, which I have done as I could. Now there is responsibility. The Overseer will have much to say on what the liaison is asked for, but it is for me to get favorable import and export rates. And what of the consoling? If I fail in this some grieving dwarf could start running around naked and babbling--or do much much worse. (Well... whether anything is worse depends on the dwarf I suppose.) I have negotiated before; I have consoled. I have not done either with a mission against evil resting on the minds and hearts of the fortress. It is little compared to what the military will do for us but it is important enough I must do it well.

Of course having seen the mayors at Pagevoice I suspect mayorship will only lead to statues of me embracing my turkey. Oh, well. I won't take offense if he doesn't.


10th Malachite 238

In battle against a minotaur, Moonwalk fell. Three others were injured. I will suggest extra and extra-large booze rations for the living soldiers. It is the best consolation for seeing a comrade killed with a shirt I can think of, but that does not say much.

15th Galena 238

I HATE LIZARDS. HATE. HOW DARE THEY ROAM OUR CAVERNS AND KILL OUR FEARLESS HERO AND HALF THE MILITARY!

There is not enough consolation in the world.

OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!
The combat log as it stands right now: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?xx5lknv51u6e04o

Bad Munki posted:

If I survive this, I demand to have my weapon forcibly upgraded! :colbert:

i poo poo trains :(

I did change you from the assigned battle axe to individual choice, but I just looked and it hasn't taken - I wanted to try that way in case it now worked, sorry. The good news is that you are presently heading to the hospital for a Rest, with a couple of minor cuts in your right hand and left arm. They will certainly heal, and soap has been working well.



I'm sorry to do this guys, but there's no way I can finish the month tonight - so we have a cliffhanger. The good news, I guess, is that this means that (I assume) Leperfish will be back for when I do finish tomorrow night.

If it's any consolation, i poo poo trains did give an incredible fight before the inevitable happened. What the reptile men did to Ventnor was painful to watch. neongrey and Mlle took incredible punishment before they died.

The combat changes are pretty good, as far as I can see.


JoeCool has become an Elite Marksdwarf in the midst of this. I suppose that makes up for the loss of Mlle, who had also become one at the very start of her battle.


There will most probably be some drafting of dwarfs to make up militia numbers. I assume that I will need to at least see off the goblin ambush before I even think of handing the save over.

We're certainly not in big trouble with this setback, but there will be some cleaning up and rebuilding to do.



I can't imagine any circumstances where any of you would want me to play through to Spring now :)

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.




15th Galena 238

I've walked right into Danger. There is not much hope for The Rare Ship, nor Bronzestabbed, but I must do what I can to improve our lot. Dwarven kingdoms have risen from lonely fortresses before, and under the right leadership, we might do the same. I am young, but death follows those who only trust the old.

I've been here such a short time, yet we are under siege from Below and from Above. i poo poo trains, whose History was spoken by many, has fallen. More fall every day. I tire of inactivity, and I hope to train with the reserve squads if the opportunity presents itself, but I know that I am no use in Battle. In time I hope to gain strength.

My daughter has the traits of a warrior, but no dwarf so young should do Battle, lest she is carried by her mother as Tradition dictates. I see a leader of dwarves in her, a future full of victory. Some days I see a corpse among many others. Let her train and build up her strength. Give her an arsenal and see what weapon she loves, but do not send her into Battle yet.

I am no warrior, but I know my way around people. In time, the fortress will know my value. Or they will perish. Everyone finds an end, fitting or not.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


OhCrap posted:

I did change you from the assigned battle axe to individual choice, but I just looked and it hasn't taken - I wanted to try that way in case it now worked, sorry. The good news is that you are presently heading to the hospital for a Rest, with a couple of minor cuts in your right hand and left arm. They will certainly heal, and soap has been working well.

Yeah, it's a hassle, but I think you still have to mark the currently-carried (and preferred) weapon as forbidden, forcing the dwarf in question to drop it and re-equip. Once that's done, the weapon can be unforbidden...and melted or something because it's copper. ;)

And personally, I say play as long as you want, up to the new year, so that we can re-align this thing. On the other hand, if you just want to add a month or two, we can slowly work towards a new-year-transition over the next couple overseers.

DrMelon
Oct 9, 2010

You can find me in the produce aisle of the hospital.


15 Galena, 238

Had I known of what gruesome and hiddeouss fates would have met me should I have joined the Fighters and Abandoned the Cheese, I would not have written my previous entry. There is no honour on the field of battle, only you and the other bugger tearing lumps out of eechuther.

The heroes are falling. Some newer ones are rising. But when one block of cheese rots, the rest follow shortly after and I fear for our safety. The twice-cursed goblins have arrived in a force, and it is all I can do to hope that I may once again stir the churn in the Safety of Boredom. I am strong yet, and I will Not Back Down yf I must join battle.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

I poo poo Trains :smith:

Why was the militia so expanded before proper armour could be prepared? Trains only had greaves on! :argh:

lesbian baphomet
Nov 30, 2011

drat, even the best of the dwarven military are dropping like flies now. :(

Also, apparently my dorf died to a minotaur who liked to grapple ears, which is not something I can be particularly upset about. :black101:

Samuel
Nov 5, 2011
I think this music will have to do, in honor of ArachnoDwarf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pISzxdEgDCU

OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!

Bad Munki posted:

Yeah, it's a hassle, but I think you still have to mark the currently-carried (and preferred) weapon as forbidden, forcing the dwarf in question to drop it and re-equip. Once that's done, the weapon can be unforbidden...and melted or something because it's copper. ;)

I knew of that from the previous versions, but it wasn't something I'd tested either way in DF2012 .. so I thought I'd see what happened. Now I know!

quote:

And personally, I say play as long as you want, up to the new year, so that we can re-align this thing. On the other hand, if you just want to add a month or two, we can slowly work towards a new-year-transition over the next couple overseers.

I have sent my normal update PM to Leperflesh and mentioned it. I'd feel more comfortable knowing his thoughts on it. I'm open to it, but also happy to end my turn :)


Demiurge4 posted:

I poo poo Trains :smith:

Why was the militia so expanded before proper armour could be prepared? Trains only had greaves on! :argh:

In fact, i poo poo trains had a bronze breastplate and bronze shield as well. I've been madly working to equip the militia as fast as possible. Making armour is slow, though, and it was also important to have a militia training as much as possible, knowing what was likely to be around the corner. It needed expansion desperately for precisely the same reason.

Things might be better if clothing wasn't also deteriorating at a rate of knots, and if I didn't have a leather shortage on top of that. We do what we can in the time we have :)


MoonwalkInvincible posted:

drat, even the best of the dwarven military are dropping like flies now. :(

I'm not so sure. I can see a number of highly skilled dwarfs still in the militia:

The Stormy Lancers

Bad Munki, Proficient Axedwarf
Nomikos, Talented Speardwarf
Haardrada, Adequate Hammerdwarf
Zaodai, Skilled Swordsdwarf
RedRansacker, Skilled Axedwarf
Jonis, Skilled Speardwarf
Zapdos, Competent Hammerdwarf

The One-Way Outs

Internet Kraken, Adequate Marksdwarf
Olesh, Competent Marksdwarf
SirPenguin, Competent Marksdwarf
Tosca Cake, Competent Marksdwarf
JoeCool, Master Marksdwarf
Mzbundifund, Competent Marksdwarf

The Creations of Luck

OhCrap, Competent Axedwarf, Meatshield
Willie Tomg, Skilled Macedwarf
Idles, Competent Hammerdwarf
Mortal Sword, Competent Swordsdwarf

MooonwalkInvincible posted:

Also, apparently my dorf died to a minotaur who liked to grapple ears, which is not something I can be particularly upset about. :black101:

Your dwarf was Best Meatshield.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I understand why the mister was taken apart, it seemed totally reasonable except for the hole in the wall.
Is there a way to make it self-contained, like run from a well or something so there isn't a hole in the wall?

Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jul 22, 2012

OhCrap
Oct 14, 2011

I MAKE VICTORY!

Frosted Flake posted:

I don't understand why the mister was taken apart, it seemed totally reasonable.
Is there a way to make it self-contained, like run from a well or something so there isn't a hole in the wall?

I saw ninja edit :)

You have gone part way to answering your own question. There was a hole in the fort, which could absolutely have been repaired in itself.

The rest of the answer gets a bit convoluted, but in short, it wasn't self-contained. It had the capacity to flood the fortress in a couple of ways, and I'd have had to spend time fixing it that I wasn't prepared to (dealing with Urist cancels Build Wall: Water is not my idea of fun). There was also no way to turn it off. I didn't think it was likely to cause a critical problem, but it wasn't something urgently needed. We did need a well, though.

It's worth pointing out that you only get to see what we screenshot. It wasn't taken apart, beyond one windmill and a couple of pumps/gear assemblies, to disable the immediate problem. There's more to the mister than that. To compromise for disabling it, I've been building a more extensive tunnel and reservoir system that will still allow for a future overseer to finish it. It has a floodgate to disable it, which proved useful when the water pressure was too low, so I could make further modifications. And, of course, we now have a well that should be useful by the time winter rolls around and freezes most/all of the above ground water.

tl;dr: Different overseers break previous overseers' stuff and it's part of the fun!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

OhCrap posted:

I saw ninja edit :)

Aw, busted.

Fair enough, I was slowly figuring it out.

Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe

OhCrap posted:

I saw ninja edit :)

You have gone part way to answering your own question. There was a hole in the fort, which could absolutely have been repaired in itself.

The rest of the answer gets a bit convoluted, but in short, it wasn't self-contained. It had the capacity to flood the fortress in a couple of ways, and I'd have had to spend time fixing it that I wasn't prepared to (dealing with Urist cancels Build Wall: Water is not my idea of fun). There was also no way to turn it off. I didn't think it was likely to cause a critical problem, but it wasn't something urgently needed. We did need a well, though.

It's worth pointing out that you only get to see what we screenshot. It wasn't taken apart, beyond one windmill and a couple of pumps/gear assemblies, to disable the immediate problem. There's more to the mister than that. To compromise for disabling it, I've been building a more extensive tunnel and reservoir system that will still allow for a future overseer to finish it. It has a floodgate to disable it, which proved useful when the water pressure was too low, so I could make further modifications. And, of course, we now have a well that should be useful by the time winter rolls around and freezes most/all of the above ground water.

tl;dr: Different overseers break previous overseers' stuff and it's part of the fun!
The flaw I spotted in the mister way back when was that grates were used instead of doubled fortifications. Fortifications allow liquids to flow, but not swimmers. Sometimes flow does weird things though and I have had a forgotten beast pushed in through one, so I double them. Grates are buildings like doors, and therefore subject to building destroyers, fortifications are not.

I'm not sure how the building destroyer pathfinding deals with grates covering holes though. The mister would have therefore provided an amphibious assault route for any amphibious titans, as well as the undead who don't care about air.

TremendousMajestic
Mar 8, 2007

bye bye everybody bye bye!

OH NO MY WIFE!

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

scamtank posted:

i poo poo trains! :ohdear:

We need a hero crypt.

Alternatively a shallow grave to remind everyone that being a big shot hero who runs off on his own just nets you a spear to the spine.

Rurik
Mar 5, 2010

Thief
Warrior
Gladiator
Grand Prince
:stare:

What a massacre. Well, I should arrive at the next migrant wave and I wanted to be a militarydwarf (or a noble, but doesn't seem likely now). I just hope I have some skills (and armor!!!) so I don't immediately become target practice for goblins or something else.

Sam.
Jan 1, 2009

"I thought we had something, Shepard. Something real."
:qq:
Those spears are made out of wood. How did they manage to get through i poo poo trains's bronze armor with just a pointy stick?

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Sam. posted:

Those spears are made out of wood. How did they manage to get through i poo poo trains's bronze armor with just a pointy stick?


He wasn't in full armor from the look of things. He had a few spots covered with normal clothes which the spears tore through.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
And THAT is why you never send your military in piecemeal. Give them a waypoint far from the action, and then send them in when they're assembled in a big blob so they can all fall on enemies at once. Numbers advantage is a pretty big deal in DF melee. Now we have an ambush and the squads need to file up one by one into literally iron-clad goblin warriors who have decidedly a bit more fight than a primitive tribe of subterranean lizards. And because I wasn't downstairs I was probably taking a nap or getting a snack which means I get to be one of the poor sad fuckers to face them off. Without proper armor. :)



In retrospect using bronze for the components of a nonfunctioning mist generator and not basic protection for the military was, perhaps, not the smartest allocation of resources.

Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jul 22, 2012

Bene Elim
Feb 9, 2010

The beast from Crete that can't be beat!

Bene Elim yesterday posted:

i poo poo trains becoming this fortresses version of Holistic/Nemo/Tehsid/Minty would be amazing.


He'll die next update now I've said that.
:tinfoil: What did I do?!?


A sad loss, bit it could be much worse. I'm surprised at how fast the military is gaining skill. I've never managed to get worthwhile soldiers that fast.

EDIT: Some of the fun I imagine i poo poo trains is having in dwarfhallah

Bene Elim fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jul 22, 2012

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
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Toilet Rascal

Sam. posted:

Those spears are made out of wood. How did they manage to get through i poo poo trains's bronze armor with just a pointy stick?

They did not. The militia died from the splinters.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

OhCrap posted:

I am a Bad Overseer. Worst.



They're coming.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


Looks like the Lizard finally killed SpiderDwarf. :ohdear:

Triskelli fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 22, 2012

scamtank
Feb 24, 2011

my desire to just be a FUCKING IDIOT all day long is rapidly overtaking my ability to FUNCTION

i suspect that means i'm MENTALLY ILL


Internet Kraken posted:

He wasn't in full armor from the look of things. He had a few spots covered with normal clothes which the spears tore through.

Yeah, the first hit he got went right through his foot. The greaves and breastplate were completely impervious to those cavewood spears, but when the bleeding and the pain got to him enough to screw with his accuracy and dodging, he was toast.

It seems what did him in was the massive blood loss from being stabbed repeatedly to the face. A helmet might've kept him alive just long enough for the rest of the Lancer cavalry to arrive.

At least we have a new paragon in Nomikos. That was some stellar bronzestabbing right there.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


scamtank posted:

That was some stellar bronzestabbing right there.

Nonsense. If they had bronzestabbed, he would have lived. No, that was plain old run-of-the-mill fleshstabbing. :colbert:

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Pozzo
Nov 4, 2009

What is like posting in a thread?
A Ballista, that's what!

scamtank posted:

It seems what did him in was the massive blood loss from being stabbed repeatedly to the face.

Pussy.

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