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Brent

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Nov 26, 2008, 8:42:17 AM11/26/08
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On 2008-11-26, Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:
> Just saw a news story on TV that our Treasurer is involved in a
> lawsuit that will include a claim that photo radar tickets are illegal
> because the law that authorized them did not have the required 2/3rds
> majority to pass a tax increase. He says it's a tax because it is
> just a civil assessment with no points and that the only purpose when
> the law was passed was to raise money. This should throw a monkey
> wrench into the entire 100 camera system they are just finishing
> installing. Driving the freeways is like living in a police state now
> there are so many cameras.

One step at a time and maybe 90+% of traffic tickets in general will be
seen for what they are, selectively collected taxes.


necromancer

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Nov 26, 2008, 3:30:29 PM11/26/08
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Any bets on when the AZ Treasurer finds himself embroiled in a scandal
(and probablly over something trivial c.f. Elliot Spitzer)?

--
"New Rule: Next time we are in a financial mess, the guy we
are relying on to get us out of it can't look like Col. Klink."
--Bill Maher

Brent

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Nov 26, 2008, 5:24:52 PM11/26/08
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On 2008-11-26, necromancer <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:42:17 +0000 (UTC), Brent
><tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-11-26, Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:
>>> Just saw a news story on TV that our Treasurer is involved in a
>>> lawsuit that will include a claim that photo radar tickets are illegal
>>> because the law that authorized them did not have the required 2/3rds
>>> majority to pass a tax increase. He says it's a tax because it is
>>> just a civil assessment with no points and that the only purpose when
>>> the law was passed was to raise money. This should throw a monkey
>>> wrench into the entire 100 camera system they are just finishing
>>> installing. Driving the freeways is like living in a police state now
>>> there are so many cameras.
>>
>>One step at a time and maybe 90+% of traffic tickets in general will be
>>seen for what they are, selectively collected taxes.
>
> Any bets on when the AZ Treasurer finds himself embroiled in a scandal
> (and probablly over something trivial c.f. Elliot Spitzer)?

That's probably close to 100%. When something like that happens I always
wonder what the political motivation is. It's all about who you are and
if you did something to oppose the power structure. Those who play ball
can get away with anything. Like Barney 'banker bailout' Frank.


Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

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Nov 27, 2008, 12:26:57 AM11/27/08
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Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ggjjnp$128$1
@news.motzarella.org:

HAHAHAHAHA. It's not a tax except in the "minds" of you libertarian loons.
Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting is and the
offenders definitely should pay a fine. Stop being a criminal coddler.

We need more cameras and stiffer penalties for you deadly speeders.

Kadaitcha Man

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Nov 27, 2008, 2:58:39 AM11/27/08
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:Xns9B62E45D6C227r...@216.168.3.70...

> Brent <tetraethylle...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ggjjnp$128$1
> @news.motzarella.org:
>
>> On 2008-11-26, Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:
>>> Just saw a news story on TV that our Treasurer is involved in a
>>> lawsuit that will include a claim that photo radar tickets are
>>> illegal
>>> because the law that authorized them did not have the required 2/3rds
>>> majority to pass a tax increase. He says it's a tax because it is
>>> just a civil assessment with no points and that the only purpose when
>>> the law was passed was to raise money. This should throw a monkey
>>> wrench into the entire 100 camera system they are just finishing
>>> installing. Driving the freeways is like living in a police state
>>> now
>>> there are so many cameras.
>>
>> One step at a time and maybe 90+% of traffic tickets in general will
>> be
>> seen for what they are, selectively collected taxes.
>>
>>
>>
>
> HAHAHAHAHA. It's not a tax except in the "minds" of you libertarian
> loons.
> Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting is and the


Speeding IS NOT a crime you idiot. Killing innocents like BUSH is. Why
don't you go suck your dog's cork?


richard

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Nov 27, 2008, 6:12:33 AM11/27/08
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Well dear boy of little knowledge, I will have you know that in Ohio
such cameras are totally illegal. Why? Because state law says only an
officer of the law can cite for an observed violation. Every camera
that's been challenged in Ohio has been taken down for this reason.

Radar cameras are installed purely for making money.

Do you know how radar works? I do and I'll bet I can beat any citation
issued. What they should do is install "lidar" cameras. That way the
beam is focused on only one vehicle at a time and there is no question
as to what the speed was.

lidar aka laser.

I know a person who was recently cited in Arizona for speed by an
officer. In Phoenix they use "roaming" cameras installed in cruisers.
One favorite spot is Northern ave as it looks over I-17.
The cop sits on the bridge and, while illegally blocking traffic, lets
the camera do the work.
This person was travelling in the outside HOV lane and the officer was
at the opposite end of the bridge. He was clocked allegedly at 70 in a
55.
My question is, at that angle, how exactly how did the camera get a
clear enough picture of the license plate to even read it properly?
His main argument is, if he was guilty, then how come the officer
didn't pursue him and personally cite him?
Why? Because of his position, it would have taken the officer to long
to get onto the highway and catch up to him.

In order to get a clear picture, the officer would have had to be
parked directly above that lane. And be out of his vehicle observing
the traffic.

Nothing more than an issue of "meeting the quota" and raising money.

The Honorable Dr. Rocky Roads Presiding Judge

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Nov 27, 2008, 8:19:07 AM11/27/08
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"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>
> Radar cameras are installed purely for making money.

Not always. I know of one place in Davenport, Iowa where they raised the
speed limit when they put one of those cameras in because they didn't want
to catch a lot of people.

It just so happens that same stretch of road had a fatal accident on it once
so they might be trying to catch something like that.


Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

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Nov 27, 2008, 12:11:15 PM11/27/08
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richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:fousi45idn07vbcvj...@4ax.com:


>
> Well dear boy of little knowledge, I will have you know that in Ohio
> such cameras are totally illegal. Why? Because state law says only an
> officer of the law can cite for an observed violation. Every camera
> that's been challenged in Ohio has been taken down for this reason.
>
> Radar cameras are installed purely for making money.
>

You are a criminal coddler. Speeders are the number one crime problem in
america and you want to let them go. Get help please.

necromancer

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Nov 27, 2008, 1:06:01 PM11/27/08
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SFB spewed:

>HAHAHAHAHA. It's not a tax except in the "minds" of you libertarian loons.
>Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting is and the
>offenders definitely should pay a fine. Stop being a criminal coddler.

So, you think that murderers and child molesters should only pay a
fine? Are you admitting to something here, you murderer and child
molester?

>We need more cameras and stiffer penalties for you deadly speeders.

Becareful of what you pray for, you christian american (sic) fuck. You
might get it.

Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS <Xeto...@yahoo.com>
(a.k.a. Shit For Brains or SFB for short) admits to being
a murderer and child molester:

"Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting
is and the offenders definitely should pay a fine.
Stop being a criminal coddler."

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 11/27/08

Ref:http://tinyurl.com/56ksok
Message ID: Xns9B62E45D6C227r...@216.168.3.70

richard

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Nov 27, 2008, 3:30:38 PM11/27/08
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Dear little boy, when you grow up you will understand that cops are
fallible humans and do not always play by the rules. Even governments
will try to break the rules.

If done correctly, radar is a good means of catching speed demons,
such as yourself. Radar cameras are illegal because it is not a crime.
Since when do criminals go to civil court to pay a "fine"?
Since when do civil court judges toss criminals into jail?

Mike Corey

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Nov 27, 2008, 4:15:17 PM11/27/08
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xeto...@yahoo.com wrote:

>Speeding is a crime just like murder and child

> molesting is...

You're comparing class X felonies with a class C misdemeanor? Are you
daft?

>...and the offenders definitely should pay a
> fine.

And now you think murderers and child molesters should only pay a fine?

>Stop being a criminal coddler.

Yes you should.

Kadaitcha Man

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Nov 27, 2008, 7:57:03 PM11/27/08
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:Xns9B6367A222A45r...@216.168.3.70...

BULLSHIT! You're the criminal one for supporting illegal Aliens
destroying America's resources.


Kadaitcha Man

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Nov 27, 2008, 7:59:27 PM11/27/08
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richard, ye repulsive want-wit, frailty, thy thinking is woman, ye
inculcated:

"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

news:ij0ui456u627j7l2j...@4ax.com...


> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:11:15 -0600, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in
>>news:fousi45idn07vbcvj...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well dear boy of little knowledge, I will have you know that in Ohio
>>> such cameras are totally illegal. Why? Because state law says only an
>>> officer of the law can cite for an observed violation. Every camera
>>> that's been challenged in Ohio has been taken down for this reason.
>>>
>>> Radar cameras are installed purely for making money.
>>>
>>
>>You are a criminal coddler. Speeders are the number one crime problem
>>in
>>america and you want to let them go. Get help please.
>
>
> Dear little boy, when you grow up you will understand that cops are
> fallible humans and do not always play by the rules. Even governments
> will try to break the rules.
>


Don't you talk nice to him, he's a criminal one who supports illegal
aliens, understand pussy-richard?


necromancer

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Nov 28, 2008, 12:56:12 AM11/28/08
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SFB speweed:

>You are a criminal coddler. Speeders are the number one crime problem in
>america and you want to let them go. Get help please.


Hey!! Hey!!! POA!!!
How many kids did you rape today?

--

Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being
a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler:

"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?

Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."

Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <3c1753f7.02100...@posting.google.com>
http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg

Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj

necromancer

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Nov 28, 2008, 1:11:33 AM11/28/08
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:15:17 -0600, AWR7...@webtv.net (Mike Corey)
wrote:

>SFB spewed:


>
>>Speeding is a crime just like murder and child
>> molesting is...
>
>You're comparing class X felonies with a class C misdemeanor? Are you
>daft?

Daft woulf be a huge, *HUGE* improvement for SFB....

>>...and the offenders definitely should pay a
>> fine.
>
>And now you think murderers and child molesters should only pay a fine?

SFB thinks that child molesters should get easy treatment for a
reason....

>>Stop being a criminal coddler.
>
>Yes you should.

SFB is the epitome of criminal coddling.

HAND...

--
"There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything
close to 7 million jooz. Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11
official story. "

-- Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 12/01/2004
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/9oog5
Message-ID: <780ea958.04113...@posting.google.com>

Larrybud

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Nov 28, 2008, 10:47:45 AM11/28/08
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Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote in
news:9elpi494ub8mbq8mf...@4ax.com:

> Just saw a news story on TV that our Treasurer is involved in a
> lawsuit that will include a claim that photo radar tickets are
> illegal because the law that authorized them did not have the
> required 2/3rds majority to pass a tax increase. He says it's a
> tax because it is just a civil assessment with no points and
> that the only purpose when the law was passed was to raise
> money. This should throw a monkey wrench into the entire 100
> camera system they are just finishing installing. Driving the
> freeways is like living in a police state now there are so many
> cameras.

I doubt it. They'll just modify the law so that you'll get a ticket
AND points.

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CP Miller

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Jan 19, 2010, 8:37:30 PM1/19/10
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On 11/27/2008 11:06 AM, necromancer wrote:
> SFB spewed:
>
>> HAHAHAHAHA. It's not a tax except in the "minds" of you libertarian loons.
>> Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting is and the
>> offenders definitely should pay a fine. Stop being a criminal coddler.
>
> So, you think that murderers and child molesters should only pay a
> fine? Are you admitting to something here, you murderer and child
> molester?
>
>> We need more cameras and stiffer penalties for you deadly speeders.
>
> Becareful of what you pray for, you christian american (sic) fuck. You
> might get it.
>
> Speeders& Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS<Xeto...@yahoo.com>

> (a.k.a. Shit For Brains or SFB for short) admits to being
> a murderer and child molester:
>
> "Speeding is a crime just like murder and child molesting
> is and the offenders definitely should pay a fine.
> Stop being a criminal coddler."
>
> --Speeders& Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 11/27/08You're a moron.
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