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brian trdina

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Dec 8, 2002, 8:35:56 AM12/8/02
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So what exactly was the nature of the injury that caused Grame to retire?

Its too bad to see anyone have to quit cycling (e.g., Ronde Champ quitting
to plan his wedding). I've seen Grame do some pretty impressive stuff when
local races had enough $$ in them to inspire him to show up. This summer,
it was interesting to see him, a salt-and-pepper 42, ride away from a good
local field at the (relatively hilly) course at Murraysville. Of course,
I've seen him do some really gay shit too: Swearing and abusing riders who
don't ride the way he wanted them to <use a limey-longshoreman accent here>
"Why don't you pull through, you thick cunt....!?!" The kind of shit you'd
never see a 'nice guy' do.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see him go.


Stewart Fleming

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Dec 8, 2002, 4:35:02 PM12/8/02
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"brian trdina" <trd...@dejazzd.com> wrote in message news:<0VHI9.122$vQ1.1...@nnrp1.ptd.net>...

> So what exactly was the nature of the injury that caused Grame to retire?

Lower back injury, ruptured disc. He had an operation to try to fix
it, but the prognosis was not good. He said he'd prefer to give up
bike racing if it meant he =could still actually walk for the rest of
his life.
Apparently sustained while lifting a bike case at an airport.
It's pretty sad to see him go.

He had some nice things to say about Julian Dean who he rates as the
top NZ rider at present.

Oh, and 8 days in to his new career as a real-estate salesman, he
sells a $2.5million (that's Kiwi dollars, divide by 2 in the US)
house.

> I've seen him do some really gay shit too: Swearing and abusing riders who
> don't ride the way he wanted them to <use a limey-longshoreman accent here>
> "Why don't you pull through, you thick cunt....!?!" The kind of shit you'd
> never see a 'nice guy' do.

That's bike racing.
Especially Kiwi bike racing.
I mean, really, what is the point of being in a bike race if you don't
contribute to it? Here, if you respond to the abuse and do your
share, you get respect after the race; if you don't it's like you
don't exist. I'm familiar, happy and comfortable with that style of
bike racing; it was the same in Scotland as it is here in New Zealand.

Just think about the poor prospective buyers of homes in Auckland
now...
STF

brian trdina

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Dec 8, 2002, 9:52:36 PM12/8/02
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"Stewart Fleming" <drm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> That's bike racing.
> Especially Kiwi bike racing.

No, that's poor sportsmanship.

> I mean, really, what is the point of being in a bike race if you don't
> contribute to it? Here, if you respond to the abuse and do your
> share, you get respect after the race; if you don't it's like you
> don't exist.

If you let someone abuse you into riding the race the way they want you to,
then you're a sucker. If you want respect, drop the abuser (if you can).

>I'm familiar, happy and comfortable with that style of
> bike racing; it was the same in Scotland as it is here in New Zealand.

Most people are familiar with that style of bike racing. The people who
engage in it are still being douchebags, though...


JTN

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Dec 9, 2002, 10:15:21 AM12/9/02
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the verbal abuse is just how it was in the "old days". everyone did it and
especially the women. I have noticed after getting back into it recently for
fun the difference from the old days to now are remarkable. the verbal abuse
has switched to glaring sportsmanship. races today are much more
sportsmanlike than about ten to fifteen years ago. of course i was perfect
in this regard..lololo

there is a poster on this site who was one of the worst i ever saw in
regards to the verbal abuse. im surprised to read his stuff and find it so
un-offensive. if you beat him he would rip your ass for racing the race
wrong. lolololololo


The Pomeranian

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Dec 9, 2002, 5:06:32 PM12/9/02
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Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
> "brian trdina" <trd...@dejazzd.com> wrote in message news:<0VHI9.122$vQ1.1...@nnrp1.ptd.net>...
> > So what exactly was the nature of the injury that caused Grame to retire?

> > "Why don't you pull through, you thick cunt....!?!"
>

> That's bike racing.
> Especially Kiwi bike racing.
> I mean, really, what is the point of being in a bike race if you don't
> contribute to it?

Are you fucking serious? That's some pretty funny stuff.

brian trdina

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Dec 9, 2002, 8:09:29 PM12/9/02
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"JTN" <jne...@garfield-county.com> wrote in message

> there is a poster on this site who was one of the worst i ever saw in
> regards to the verbal abuse. im surprised to read his stuff and find it so
> un-offensive. if you beat him he would rip your ass for racing the race
> wrong. lolololololo
>

Sunquist, right...?


Carl Sundquist

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Dec 9, 2002, 8:17:22 PM12/9/02
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"brian trdina" <trd...@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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Fuck you, Trdina : )


Amit

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Dec 9, 2002, 9:38:46 PM12/9/02
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"JTN" <jne...@garfield-county.com> wrote in message news:<uv9cu0e...@corp.supernews.com>...

A smart rider knows how saying the right thing can make another racer
react the way he wants him to. Yelling at one guy to slow down might
make him slow down, yelling at another guy to slow down might make him
speed up.

-Amit

Eric Harvey

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Dec 10, 2002, 12:17:07 AM12/10/02
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Yeah, it is unfortunate he could not quit racing bikes on his own terms.

Last year (2001) he came up to the Vancouver area for the BC Superweek
(Tour of Delta and Tour de White Rock, now includes the Gastown GP from
2002 onwards). I recall him saying he could still make more money
racing his bike than doing anything else, so he had no incentive to
stop.

He kicked our asses singlehandedly in all but the White Rock RR. He and
Eric Wohlberg rode away in the Delta crit with Graeme winning the
sprint. He won the Delta road race in a 5-up sprint. At White Rock's
crit he lapped the field by himself on a tough course with short climb.
And in the White Rock RR he was 2nd to Andrew Pinfold in the pouring
rain, after being the prime animator from the first kilometer. Miller
is a damn good rider, he'll be missed.

Eric.

Ewoud Dronkert

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Dec 10, 2002, 7:38:18 AM12/10/02
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brian trdina wrote:
>>there is a poster on this site who was one of the worst i ever saw in
>>regards to the verbal abuse.
>
> Sunquist, right...?

Ah damn, yes thought that too (Re: The consecutive winners).

n crowley

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Dec 10, 2002, 3:55:12 PM12/10/02
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drm...@yahoo.com (Stewart Fleming) wrote in message news:<4a1c6b42.0212...@posting.google.com>...

> "brian trdina" <trd...@dejazzd.com> wrote in message news:<0VHI9.122$vQ1.1...@nnrp1.ptd.net>...
> > So what exactly was the nature of the injury that caused Grame to retire?
>
> Lower back injury, ruptured disc. He had an operation to try to fix
> it, but the prognosis was not good. He said he'd prefer to give up
> bike racing if it meant he =could still actually walk for the rest of
> his life.
> Apparently sustained while lifting a bike case at an airport.
> It's pretty sad to see him go.

Yes it is sad to see him have to quit when the instant cure is there
for his problem, that is if that risky surgery has not done far more
serious damage to his back. All lower back pain especially that which
is caused in the same manner as his was, can be completely eliminated
by the changeover to the pedaling style as used by Anquetil. If the
man can walk completely free of lower back pain, Anquetil's technique
not only enables his to continue cycling but also to improve the
condition of his lower back. Normal pedaling strains and causes injury and
pain if the back is defective, Anquetil's pedaling removes all strain
and has a beneficial effect on the lower back and is invincible in
time trials and track pursuits.

brian trdina

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Dec 11, 2002, 4:44:39 AM12/11/02
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"Carl Sundquist" <car...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message

> > Sunquist, right...?
> >
> >
>
> Fuck you, Trdina : )
>

Yeah, exactly the kinda verbal abuse I'd have expected...


Carl Sundquist

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Dec 11, 2002, 8:19:28 AM12/11/02
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"brian trdina" <trd...@dejazzd.com> wrote in message

> > > Sunquist, right...?
> >
> > Fuck you, Trdina : )
> >
>
> Yeah, exactly the kinda verbal abuse I'd have expected...
>

But it still doesn't give you the answer to your question.


Dave Hansen

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Dec 11, 2002, 6:38:11 PM12/11/02
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"n crowley" <crowl...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> Yes it is sad to see him have to quit when the instant cure is there
> for his problem, that is if that risky surgery has not done far more
> serious damage to his back. All lower back pain especially that which
> is caused in the same manner as his was, can be completely eliminated
> by the changeover to the pedaling style as used by Anquetil. If the
> man can walk completely free of lower back pain, Anquetil's technique
> not only enables his to continue cycling but also to improve the
> condition of his lower back. Normal pedaling strains and causes injury and
> pain if the back is defective, Anquetil's pedaling removes all strain
> and has a beneficial effect on the lower back and is invincible in
> time trials and track pursuits.

You are so full of that Anquetil B.S. so you are telling me that my henioated disc I have at L5 will
miraculously cure itself if I just change my pedaling style? uh huh....do you live on beach front
property in Montana?
Dave


n crowley

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Dec 12, 2002, 5:47:06 PM12/12/02
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"Dave Hansen" <dhans...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<D%PJ9.123167$%k2.31...@twister.socal.rr.com>...


If you cannot spell your injury correctly, you obviously do not have it.
A back/disc injury is for life and the best you can do is be careful and
learn to live with it and you can be free of pain. But if cycling is your
sport the story is very different but Anquetil's style eliminates the root
cause of all this pain which is the strain of normal pedaling that continually
aggravates the damaged part of the lower back.
After many years of expensive research, the very expensive ROTOR cranks are
now on sale. With a very unbalanced pedaling style, by indirectly giving you
back some of the pedaling time lost in the dead spot area, ROTOR claim that
you gain an extra 3 mins. of pedaling time in an hour. Considering that a
total of twenty mins. of effective pedaling is lost per hour that is not much
of a return for your money. That 3 mins is saved in the 12 to 1 o'clock area.
Using the same time saving method for comparison purposes, by directly
eliminating all that 12 to 1 o'clock with both pedals Anquetil's technique
gives an extra 10 mins. pedaling time when cruising in time trials and when at
maximum power output you could pedal at a rate of an extra 15 mins per hour
but that effort almost total dead spot area elimination could only be
maintained for about the last 2 laps of a 4 k pursuit. It is probably
because all experts are of the same ideas on pedaling as yourself that
all cyclists today are still using the same technique that the penny farthing
riders used a century ago.

Prof Wilhelm von de Leihavon

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:15:36 PM12/12/02
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On 12 Dec 2002 14:47:06 -0800, crowl...@eircom.net (n crowley)
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>"Dave Hansen" <dhans...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<D%PJ9.123167$%k2.31...@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>> "n crowley" <crowl...@eircom.net> wrote in message
>> news:b77ae8ef.02121...@posting.google.com...
>> > Yes it is sad to see him have to quit when the instant cure is there
>> > for his problem, that is if that risky surgery has not done far more
>> > serious damage to his back. All lower back pain especially that which
>> > is caused in the same manner as his was, can be completely eliminated
>> > by the changeover to the pedaling style as used by Anquetil. If the
>> > man can walk completely free of lower back pain, Anquetil's technique
>> > not only enables his to continue cycling but also to improve the
>> > condition of his lower back. Normal pedaling strains and causes injury and
>> > pain if the back is defective, Anquetil's pedaling removes all strain
>> > and has a beneficial effect on the lower back and is invincible in
>> > time trials and track pursuits.
>
>>
>> You are so full of that Anquetil B.S. so you are telling me that my henioated disc I have at L5 will
>> miraculously cure itself if I just change my pedaling style? uh huh....do you live on beach front
>> property in Montana?
>> Dave
>
>
> If you cannot spell your injury correctly, you obviously do not have it.
>A back/disc injury is for life and the best you can do is be careful and
>learn to live with it and you can be free of pain.

Miller you are full of shit! Anquetil was even fuller of shit than
you, if that is possible! <g>

Prof

n crowley

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Dec 12, 2002, 6:32:47 PM12/12/02
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"Dave Hansen" <dhans...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<D%PJ9.123167$%k2.31...@twister.socal.rr.com>...

Before anyone jumps in, because of the duplication of dead spot areas
the
times that I mentioned 20 mins loss of pedaling time, 10 mins extra
pedaling and 15 extra pedaling should now read 10 mins. , 5 mins., and
7 1/2 mins.
respectively. However it is still well over ROTORS time gained and
pedaling
is the smoothest possible and is applied directly in the dead spot
area with
no added weight or increased friction and it's free.

Tom Paterson

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Dec 12, 2002, 7:27:47 PM12/12/02
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>From: crowl...@eircom.net (n crowley)

>Before anyone jumps in, because of the duplication of dead spot areas
>the
>times that I mentioned 20 mins loss of pedaling time, 10 mins extra
>pedaling and 15 extra pedaling should now read 10 mins. , 5 mins., and
>7 1/2 mins.
>respectively. However it is still well over ROTORS time gained and
>pedaling
>is the smoothest possible and is applied directly in the dead spot
>area with
>no added weight or increased friction and >it's free.

Only problem is you need three legs.
--Tom Paterson

Tom S. aDouche

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Dec 14, 2002, 2:12:01 PM12/14/02
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Wow, this sounds great! Please tell us more Noel, what is this style?
How do you do it?


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