Run-Away Vine

Can anyone tell me what it is and how to get rid of it permanently?

Thanks a bunch.

Might be bindweed. Compared to a quarter, how big are the flowers?

Can't see the borealis from here. Too far south, darn it. We got some
fairly spectacular shows in Michigan at times.

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> Thanks for the prompt reply. The flowers are morning glory size, possibly
> two inches across.

This Google search produced plenty of results:
http://images.google.com/images?q=bindweed+leaves+and+flowers&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

There are several varieties of the plant, related to the Morning Glory.
Compare leaf shapes to narrow down what you've got. I consulted the NY State
Department of Environmental Conservation abuot 15 years ago for advice on
eradicating the weed. I was told that although there are chemicals you could
use to kill it, you'd need a special permit to obtain them, and you'd be
insane you use them anywhere on your property. The roots spread deep and
wide. Your best bet is to simply control the weed by hacking at it.
Theoretically, you could also cover the affected area with plastic for two
seasons, killing everything.

I found that 2-3 attacks with weeding tools per season kept it under control
around flowers, vegetables and shrubs. In the lawn, the situation was
hopeless. BUT....during the time when lawns normally turn brown, the
bindweed remained green & thick, and was very comfortable to walk on. So, I
stopped fretting about it.

maybe I can cover it with trash bags. It (the bindweed??) has taken over
the rock garden around my waterfall. I'll try it and see what happens.
Thanks again.

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I'll do what I can to get rid of it.

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I had reasonable success with roundup on freshly emerged vines that were not
coming up in the middle of my perrenial beds. When it did come up in the
middle of planted beds or lawn, hand pulling kept it in tow pretty well, as
long as I did it very regularly.

I have to say the bindweed is the one & only plant I don't miss, now that I
have moved & started anew with gardens at my new property. Good luck to you
in your battle.

Bindweed and morningglories are related, but in NE US morningglories are an
annual, spread by seed, whereas, field bindweed Convolvulus arvenis) spreads
by seeds and rhizomes. The rhizomes can be as deep as 6 meters, so
impossible to get all the roots out. It is actually mostly spread by
cultivation (pieces of rhizomes). Round-up is probably the only practical
remedy. Even then, you'll have to be persistent. (Source: "Weeds of the
Northeast")
_________________
John Henry Wheeler
Washington, DC
USDA Zone 7

Thanks a bunch for your comments, both of you and "Spare Bedroom".

Are you going to paint it on full strength? I've got a can of the stuff
and am hesitant to use it full strength, but I think that would be most
effective on stubborn, woody nuisances with vast underground root
systems.

One spill or slip, and I'll really mess up the soil. I was going to
pour just what I thought I needed in something smaller over the toilet
(ducking).

I will pour it into a tin can and dip the paint brush in that.

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You're exactly the type of organism the chemical companies pray for: Dumb as
a box of rocks.

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She/he "ducked" because it was clear that the idea was a bad one.

By the way, it doesn't matter that you have a septic system. They are
designed to allow seepage into the soil, or they could not function
properly. Underground water can travel quite a distance, taking contaminants
along with it.

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In any case, it is obvious that you are no dumbell. Can we call a truce?

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(ducking).

you must follow the directions on the can in order for roundup to work
properly.
not doing so can make its effectiveness that much less. also roundup is
a contact
herbicide not a systemic one so it only affects the plants and does not
remain in
the ground. cyaaaaa, sockiescat:).

--
sockiescat

Hmmm. I was thinking of a baby food jar labelled big bad poison bacause
I can cap off any I don't use and don't have to worry about spills
pouring it back in the can. I don't think diluted will handle what I
plan to paint on the woody whacked off parts. Maybe I should wait for
leaves and just paint those. I am not looking forward to messing with
the stuff at any strength.

It shouldn't affect the soil after a few days at least, but I don't know
about full strength.

I don't know what my son sprayed with, it wasn't roundup, and it took
care of most of it, but some of the tougher stuff and pre-emerging stuff
it didn't phase. Some got on my fern which I tried to double plastic
bag, part of the leaf turned black but I tore it off and it looks better
than it ever has.

I'm glad I found this as I knew I'd tacked a question on somebody's post
and was trying to remember which one.

>
>

OK. I'll dilute it to the proper strength if I can get the math right.

Uh, was that necessary?
>
>

No, I'm sure he meant me, and I'm right up there near you. Was. Am
slipping due to age and stress.
>
>

Perhaps not, but true, if you mishandle chemicals whose toxicity is unknown.
Since the toxicity of ALL garden chemicals is unknown, you can draw your own
conclusions.

I'm convinced not to use it full strength. Some time back we were
talking about another chemical which the hardware store didn't have that
some people use, and I confess to having a hard time keeping it all
straight because I haven't used toxic chemicals for years, actually I
don't think ever in liquid form. I don't even like to spray or have my
house sprayed.

My young Orkin man got sick years ago, and I suspect (he did, too) that
it was because his immune system was compromised by using those
chemicals all day.

I checked my notes. It was triclopr. So I bought Roundup and have put
some thought into the safest way of handling it. Probably on the
sidewalk by the outdoor tap.

Unless a poster (not you) has something really helpful to say, just shut
up. I don't want to poison the whole water supply and however I poured
the stuff, was hoping to avoid spilling one drop, but have to have some
kind of contingency plan.

It wouldn't have any effect. Roundup (Glyphosate) has to be
sprayed (spread) onto growing foliage and absorbed. Using it
any other way is just a waste of your money.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

I gave this only a brief look, wiki info isn't always
correct. It did appear to have the basics though, explaining
exactly how Glyphosate works.

Anyone who uses Roundup or Glyphosate should take the time
to read and understand how it is suppose to work before
using it.

If you buy your groceries from the store you have been
eating the stuff (Glyphosate) for years now. Trace amounts
can be found in virtually all products made from
commercially grown crops.

High scores on Mensa's little picture & word puzzles do not mean you are
well informed on all subjects.

Pixi

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Do you know which one of the two of us you are arguing with?

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My conclusion for some time has been that they could all be dangerous
and should be handled with extreme caution. My conclusion is also that
I do not fire the first volley of gratuitous insults at another poster.
But that's usenet. I'm used to it.
>
>

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That's what the guy told me at the hardware store where I bought it.
Foliage. That's good enough for me. Easier, too.

Yes, I will read the back of the can carefully before I tackle that.
Thanks for the good info.

Shock has value. There is NO excuse for using these chemicals at home. Not
ever.

Have a good one.

Pixi

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So who is going to dig all my dandelions, kill all my Virginia Creeper,
kill all my unknown kudzu-mimicing vine, all the underground root
systems, all my oxalis, all my creeping charlie, all my crabgrass, all
my lamb's ears (pull that by hand because of my violets), all my stuff
that looked like marijuana that nobody ever id'ed, my volunteer walnut
tree that refuses to give up when I whack it, and who knows what else is
lurking out there? This is my reward for my environmentally friendly,
bird-loving, pet-protectionist, self-protectionist do-nothing approach
for years. It's getting a couple apps of some broadleaf pesticide a
year and paint brushing from now on. I'd do it myself, but the tank
when full weighs 40 pounds and you wear it like a backpack. It's bad
enough I have to hand weed my wildflowers and some other spots.

I think I'll go dump all my old gasoline and chemicals in the rain drain
across the street because I don't want to waste fossil fuel, my time and
my energy driving it to the hazardous waste center where disposal is by
appointment only. I'm just kidding. I did dump gasoline in it years
ago before I knew better.

My yard is looking better every day since I got rid of most of those
weeds.

Unless we buy 100% certified organic food, we are eating products that
have been treated with chemicals by the hundreds of tons. I never will
spray my fruit trees though. One lady who wanted an apple from my tree
wouldn't let her kid pick any until I assured her they hadn't been
sprayed. Just about everything around us has one kind of chemical or
another in it.

>
>

Interesting last paragraph. Based on that logic, we're wide open to do
almost anything we want, simply because somebody else is doing it. This
reminds me of my mother's nagging: "Just because your friends do stupid
things, it doesn't mean YOU have to do them, too".

Pixi

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intelligent.-

slipping due to age and stress.-

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okay lets get this straight lol. i said before that roundup is not
systemic. i was
referring to how it works :(. okay roundup is systemic to the plant
itself it stays
with the plant and acts for about 10 days. but roundup is non systemic
to the
soil itself actually it binds with the upper layer and is gone within a
few days.
it does not seep into ground water therefore does not contaminate water
courses.
so anyone thinking that it does affect the water table or contaminate
underground
water should do a google search and see what it has to say about it.
the only way u would get roundup into your water is if u mixed it right
over an open
well otherwise u are not going to contaminate anyones water course.
cyaaa, sockiescat.

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The whole post was interesting to me. My logic is impeccable. 1. I do
not like to use pesticides, herbicides, genetically spliced seeds, or
kill mice.. 2. I had my son spray as a last resort because I am
getting old and my yard was the scourge of the neighborhood and I didn't
want to spend the summer digging dandelions. 3. For once my son
offered to help; he has all the gear. It was either him or chemlawn.
They charge. 4. My next-door neighbor is trying to sell his house and
mine makes his look less desirable. Plus he wants too much for it. And
a whole bunch else that is not germane but has everything to do with
everything in my little corner of the world..

It is not stupid to want my yard to look better and I am not dumb as a
box of rocks. You have not gotten a letter from your city about your
weeds I'll wager. I have. Multiple times about multiple things. The
last one was about my trees. They have to have 8' clearance over the
sidewalk.. The last letter I got said if I let my grass get too high
again, I would have to come down to court. That scared me. So I,
naturally, had to conform with the crowd. Pisses me off.

Now you don't want me to spray. You must belong to one of those
environmental groups.

Now let's call a truce and agree to disagree. You retract what you said
about my being as dumb as a box of rocks and I won't tell you you are
being a prick. OK?

>
>

I get rid of my weeds and keep my gardens well groomed wtihout the use
of chemicals. It's a pleasure to weed, dig in the dirt, prune, garden
in general, and I've got every single weed you mentioned plus more.
I've got many gardens around my .6 acre. It's called gardening and
it's very easy to do it without chemicals. Why you want to douse
everything with poison is beyond me. You may not be as dumb as a box
of rocks, but you certainly do sound a bit lazy.
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Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

OK. You're not dumb. You're too busy to think this through completely. Call
the nearest high school and ask if they have a system to connecting students
who want short term jobs with people offering them. The principal at my
son's school started such a program and it was so successful, he had to hire
a part time secretary to handle the volume.

Environmental group??? I don't join clubs. I just read a lot, and I
understand what I'm reading.

Let's knock off being nasty to Lucy.

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To dig out every single weed that has taken over practically your whole
yard? Just what did they do? You'd have to have them keep coming back.
And pay them, of course. I don't want to be too negative, but when I
needed my steps poured and was trying to find someone reasonable, I
called work force, nyet, they don't do that any more, called churches to
see if they had people who did cement work reasonably, couple tried, I
wasn't asking for charity, but no takers; they have more important
things to do anyway, didn't know any illegals to call, but heard some
Spanish speaking in the nicer block next down from mine while lawn work
was being done. That doesn't mean they were illegals. When I needed my
car fixed, I called the local community college. Didn't have time for
my car. It's all such a hassle.

I might try to fit in a call like that today just to do some fact
finding, but it is summer and I don't want to go vote, but I am going to
try to fit that in. And sand the fill on one of my projects, and it's
going to get near 90 so I won't make much progress on that, and it's
going to be a heck of a lot of work. It's old lead based paint, and I
don't want to sand it in the house which I sometimes do and vacuum it
all after.

Well I made a feeler call, looked in the yellow pages. We have probably
20 high schools in the area. I picked my alma mater. Couldn't find
number for principal's office. Called admin ctr. They transferred me
to special programs, "let me find out who I need to send you to, hold
on". Pause. Transfers me to lady, won't name her. Ring. ring, ring,
thought I'd get a recorder. She picks up the phone. I am specific,
kids to weed lawns without using chemicals. "No, nothing like that,
can't honestly answer". Suggested college kids or community service.
Referred me to Juvenile Court. I'm sorry but that is not an option
because I have dealt with court cases who have stolen from me and done
worse, like kill people. In my case it was checks, went to Wal Mart,
bought stuff, returned it for cash. It took some time to get myself out
of that mess and my credit union thought I might be in on it so I had to
submit handwriting samples, report to police, very humiliating on my end
actually. So I don't want kids in trouble up here, had enough trouble
with my own.

If the banks compared handwriting samples, which they don't I can assure
you from multiple experiences, there'd be a lot less stolen checks
cleared.

I don't understand everything because some topics are actually over my
head, and I don't want to invest the time to study up on everything.
Plus I skim and/or speed read. This is not high on my list of
interests. How many women read up on getting rid of weeds in their lawn
and chemicals? Their husbands take care of it (usually by spraying or
hiring places like chemlawn to do it), they go without and just try to
keep the mowing done one way or another, some can do it themselves but
they a are a small minority, or they hire somebody to use chemicals
which is fast. I've observed properties owned by women who don't have
dh's or whose dh's aren't too dear and watch tv while their wives or
gf's cut the grass. One lady was planting a hill in early spring. She
didn't prepare it, just stuck things here and there and next time I go
by there, I'll ask her how she deals with the weeds. The lady around
the corner has pretty flowers, too large a property to handle, but the
weeds are out of control and ruining her beautiful heirloom rose bush
and the whole look of the place. There's Virginia Creeper and sumac in
that bush because she can't keep up, obviously, and she's in her 30's.
That's the way it is.

Since you made at least a semi-retraction, I'll try to play nicer.
Unless you go into insult mode again. In a case like that, I'd best
just give it a rest.
>
>

Well, superwoman I'm not, Ann. And maybe I'm a bit lazy. I'm tired and
haven't been well for some years if you must know the truth. I am
getting old. It is not a pleasure having had one case of skin cancer
among other things to be out in the hot sun weeding. yes I can do it
after the sun goes down but overcast days have ultraviolet rays bouncing
around, I have a hat and whatever, the wind blows it off, don't like it.
I don't want to weed. I don't like it. I planted some pretty flowers.
It is all I can do to hand weed those and carry gallons of water where
the hose won't reach behind the garage, keep up with the rest of the
constant watering in the heat, my interest in photography has been shot
to you know what from all this gardening work which I haven't done for
years, and it's nowhere near where I eventually want to be with it. It
has been hot. It is all I can do to keep up with that much and work on
two projects inside destined for outside if they ever get done that are
dear to my heart.

I'm glad there are some women who can do it right. I am not one of
them.

A ChemLawn employee (maybe 16 years old) once told my wife that the stuff he
was about to spray on the neighbor's lawn, a liquid which the wind would've
blown onto our veg garden, was entirely safe and approved for use around
food crops. A call to his office revealed otherwise. He was about to apply
some weed stuff that was NO WAY supposed to be anywhere near vegetables.
Unfortunately, the office people told me the stuff was safe. The young
employee was stupid. The office staff was crooked & deceptive.

Interesting. As I came out from voting, I scoped out the lawn at one of
the newer and probably one of the highest achievment academically
elementary schools in the area. There were a large dandelion, some
oxalis and other weeds by the front door. In the grass, which was
neatly mowed, there was what appeared to be juvenile plaintain, stunted
clover, much of it shaded, can't remember what else, didn't notice any
dandelions. Plantain spreads out in large pancakes if allowed to grow
for a lengthy period, so I'm assuming maybe this hasn't been there so
long, or they were smart enough to import a variety with a more compact
growth habit than mine.

So I called chemlawn and asked them if they had any contracts with the
public schools. After being put on hold, I was told that the only
contract they had was for the grass on the public fields and stadium.
Leaves some questions unanswered.

No, I wouldn't want any drifting spray on my vegetables either. I don't
grow any, too much shade and what's isn't as shaded I want for flowers.
But I'm reasonably certain all the produce I buy at the supermarkets,
hit several for this and that, has been treated in one form or another.
I eat the stuff anyway except I don't like store tomatoes and sweet
corn, but occasionally buy the Roma ones. I don't like the waxy
coating. It's more expensive at the health food store and doesn't look
as nice. We have a farmer's market where you can get wonderful produce
in the summer. It's probably a mixed bag whether any of it has been
sprayed or not. The way my son's sprayer was rigged, it created a more
like a hefty squirt, I was standing near him part of the time and
didn't want any on my skin, and I was worried about my new flowers in
the back which I covered in double bags and left until the next morning,
but then it was not breezy that evening. He used to work for chemlawn,
still sprays, but is leery about possible toxic effects from it. I know
he didn't use Roundup but can't remember what it was.

To spray or not to spray, that is the question. I'll spray once or
twice a year except for the violets on the west side of the house.
Looks like violet alley.

>
>

Gee, thanx. I'm hardly a sweet young thing anymore, I'm in the second
half of my century <G>.

I hope to be in my 90's and still working in my garden. And I hope to
be fulltime in Maine by then.

Not particularly nasty, but blunt. It isn't hard to keep your yard in
order. I've got 2.5 acres up in Maine that stays quite nice, too,
given the limited amount of time we spend at that home. I just don't
like dousing the environment with chemicals because someone doesn't
want to weed. Grass it all over and mow it (and learn to love
dandelions.

.6 acre? OMG!
i suppose you panic at the site of a mouse trap?
do you put bells around the necks of your cats?
;)

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rosie

"If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we've
experienced, it would be expected that he would retire or resign."
........................................................william buckley

a little bit MIGHT be good for you.
do a search on 'chemical hormesis'

Carl

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Cats don't go out. It isn't huge by most standards, but it's all I've
got down here. I'm surrounded, however, by over eight acres of
award-winning rhododendron woodland gardens, so it seems bigger.

i was surprised by your response about weeding etc......................some
folks just can't......................

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Yea, I got that, but I was being serious.

I don't mean to belittle anyone who can't, it's those that won't, and
use poisons.....

I apologize to anyone who can't weed but still love their gardens.

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> Got a vine here (Potomac Highlands, NE WV) that is a terrible mess. The
> flower looks like morning glory but is white. It crawls and climbs, and
> wraps itself on everything. I don't think it's a moonflower because it
> blooms all day. If I don't keep cutting it out it would choke my good
> plants out of existance.
>
> Can anyone tell me what it is and how to get rid of it permanently?
>
> Thanks a bunch.
>

Thanks, pixi. I asked one little question and got flamed, really only
two people. I'm quite used to it. I think I'm done with this group and
most of the rest of usennet.

>

If you're going to impersonate me, you should learn to spell, you moron.

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Doug Kanter
187 Willowen Dr
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Is this the biggest achievement you can point to in the past few decades?

The "bigot" part is simply untrue, but I doubt you're capable of reviewing
the messages well enough to see that.

And by the way, by "achievement", I was referring to your amazing ability to
look things up, apparently without a small child assisting you. What's your
next trick? Brush your teeth without poking your eye out?

Killfiled whom?

Sherwin D.

I Love Lucy wrote:

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> >> news:tT7xg.6268$Oh1....@news01.roc.ny...
> >>
> >>> Perhaps not, but true, if you mishandle chemicals whose toxicity is
> >>> unknown. Since the toxicity of ALL garden chemicals is unknown, you
> >>> can draw your own conclusions.
> >>
> >> My conclusion for some time has been that they could all be dangerous
> >> and should be handled with extreme caution. My conclusion is also
> >> that I do not fire the first volley of gratuitous insults at another
> >> poster. But that's usenet. I'm used to it.
> >
> > Shock has value. There is NO excuse for using these chemicals at home.
> > Not ever.
>
> So who is going to dig all my dandelions, kill all my Virginia Creeper,
> kill all my unknown kudzu-mimicing vine, all the underground root
> systems, all my oxalis, all my creeping charlie, all my crabgrass, all
> my lamb's ears (pull that by hand because of my violets), all my stuff
> that looked like marijuana that nobody ever id'ed, my volunteer walnut
> tree that refuses to give up when I whack it, and who knows what else is
> lurking out there? This is my reward for my environmentally friendly,
> bird-loving, pet-protectionist, self-protectionist do-nothing approach
> for years. It's getting a couple apps of some broadleaf pesticide a
> year and paint brushing from now on. I'd do it myself, but the tank
> when full weighs 40 pounds and you wear it like a backpack. It's bad
> enough I have to hand weed my wildflowers and some other spots.
>
> I think I'll go dump all my old gasoline and chemicals in the rain drain
> across the street because I don't want to waste fossil fuel, my time and
> my energy driving it to the hazardous waste center where disposal is by
> appointment only. I'm just kidding. I did dump gasoline in it years
> ago before I knew better.

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