Hunter Causes "Y2K" Blackout

Sunday night shortly after 9PM, about 10,000 homes and businesses lost
power. In Rome, home to the former Griffiss Airbase and Woodstock 3, the
outage was sporadic, affecting some districts but not others.

Niagara Mohawk Power Corp officials are now saying that the mass outage
was caused by somebody shooting at a transmission pole. Due to the small
diameter of the lines and most firearm projectiles, it's thought that the
shooter used a shotgun. The shots ultimately caused two power substations
in Rome to be knocked out.

Obviously it was Art trying to salvage his dignity. Well if he had dignity, he
would want to save it. Ok, if he had one and he could save it, he would.

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Before you buy.

[snip]

Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun? And why would they be out in
the woods (which is where this happened). And, this is the Rome-Camden
area. More rednecks than boils on Bob Barr's butt.

"Earth is like the Alabama of the universe...They all know we're here but they
don't want to have anything to do with us"

Simple logic?
Your logic is a little *too* simple. If I were to apply it to your post I
would have to assume your illiterate and retarded.
Again, where is the part about a "hunter"? A hunter does NOT go around
shooting out transformers, criminals do.

It's quite clearly fabricated since your average hunter would have
difficulty hitting a transmission pole with a laser-guided automatic
grenade-launcher, let alone a shotgun.

JJ.

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You call that "logic"? In every police patrol car I've ever seen, there
is a shotgun. Does that make the policemen in the car "hunters"?
(Spare us any sophomoric crapola about the cops "hunting" humans. Those
shotguns are almost never used, for anything.)

Although I don't own one, I've heard many home defense "experts" claim
that a shotgun is much more effective than a handgun. A gun nut
acquaintance of mine says - and it intuitively sounds right to me - that
the "tschi-TSCHIK" sound of a pump-action shotgun chambering a shell is
all that is needed to get an intruder to bolt from the premises.

I don't know anything about the Rome/Camden area. I have been in areas
classified as "suburban" in which woods abutted the back of people's
properties.

Your conclusion that the shooter must have been a hunter is indicative
of sloppy and wishful thinking.

Most common gun for home protection.

Don't you know that hunting season for Transmission Poles always starts
at this time of year?

Cathy
http://members.xoom.com/afa_b/

Faulty logic. anyone can own a shotgun.

More faulty logic. Only hunters go out in the woods? This is going to be a
shock to all those nature lovers! :^>

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with animal rights activist about "poor
starving children" you might just as well
bring up aliens from Mars. As they
probably know more about that than
being poor, starving or children."

Verne

You know... I couldn't help but have the same first reaction.....

:-)

Cathy Credulous <disinf...@disinfo.net> wrote in message
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>> How is it that someone shooting a shotgun at nine o'clock at night is a
>> hunter?
>

Yes, but if you bag one, you're supposed to skin it and eat it. Wasting
game is a serious violation. And leaving wounded Poles in the field to
die is also a serious breach of hunting etiquette. You're supposed to
finish them off. This explains, for example, why we have the Karch
wandering around, gutshot and groaning--because some hunter didn't
finish off a wounded Pole.

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Cathy Credulous wrote in message ...

>Cathy
>http://members.xoom.com/afa_b/
>
>

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His e-mail adress surely reminds me of Dave... ;)

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=On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Phil McCracken wrote:
=
=> Chalupa Chupacabra <bo...@waste.org> wrote in message
=> news:Pine.LNX.3.96.100010...@waste.org...
=
=[snip]
=
=> More trash.
=> Where exactly is the part about a "hunter"? For all we know, it was Marika
=> out there shooting.
=> Nice try
=
=Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun?

A trapshooter?

=And why would they be out in
=the woods (which is where this happened).

Because it's a free country?

=And, this is the Rome-Camden
=area. More rednecks than boils on Bob Barr's butt.

I see. You're a bigot. I should have picked that up earlier.

=
=
="Earth is like the Alabama of the universe...They all know we're here but they
=don't want to have anything to do with us"

Who is "all"?

G. Boggs, HoS

A few observations and much reasoning lead to error;
many observations and a little reasoning lead to truth.

- Alexis Carrel

More obviously someone who like spamming a bunch of groups with
irrelevant BS.

No, since insulators are tethered with no chance of escapement, it
isn't considered "fair chase".
B&C is supposedly very big on "fair chase" these days, they wouldn't
even consider it. In fact, there may some violation of that canned
hunt law here.

Anyone with an interest in their second amendment right? You think only
hunters own guns? You daft?

How do you know? There was nothing to that effect in your original
post.

And where are you from? Because wherever that is must be among the most
intellectually void areas on the farging planet.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.

--
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"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to
prayer." -mark twain.

: Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun? And why would they be out in
: the woods (which is where this happened). And, this is the Rome-Camden

Trap (or skeet) shooters use shotguns. They don't necessarily have to be
hunters. It's a compentitive sport where no animal is shot.

Your logic makes you vulnerable. One could say you're a clay pigeon.

Chalupa Chupacabra <bo...@waste.org> wrote:

>diameter of the lines and most firearm projectiles, it's thought that the

Bit of convolution in your logic there...We know only that the person
had access to a shotgun.

That the person was a hunter, or even owned the shotgun is simply your
inference.

Jim

Either that, or it's a power company that didn't want to look like
complete idiots for being the only ones on the planet to have an
actual y2k blackout, so they decided to blame it on a phantom hunter.

Jim

I vote it was just another example of random vandalism.....

Check the AP newsire, moron.

A rifle would be hard. A shotgun, easy.

> snip..............

He was in the deep woods with a shotgun, shooting up the place. He
wasn't holding up a liquor store. He's a hunter, not a armed robber.

> > [snip]

> Again, where is the part about a "hunter"?

Are you slow? A shotgun. Woods. Shooting up poles. Rome/Camden.
This says hunter. Not "somebody holding up a 7-11 store".

Oh I see. A hunter who breaks the law is no longer a "hunter" when he
becomes a criminal. Does he lose his membership in the NRA also?

Not *every* moron in the woods with a gun is a hunter.

Jim

You have assumed that because someone is outdoors with a gun they are
hunting. You win the numbnut dipshit award of the day!

Thats right. You win again. Just as if someone shoots an animal illegally
they are no longer a hunter, they are a poacher. See the difference?
I didn't think so.

Why is it so fucking hard for you intolerant boobs to understand plain
english?

Obviously you know nothing about either. If given my own rifle, picking off
something like an insulator could be easily accomplished out to 100 yards,
further if given enough time. I doubt a shotgun with game loads would even
damage an insulator let alone a cable.

It was probably a Greenpeace member who become very disgruntled after the
fizzled Y2K doomsday thing. They probably got so mad that they didn't get to
use their new generator or eat their 100lb sack of oats for the next year
that he/she just snapped. Probably went down to Kmart to buy a gun from
Rosie Odonnel to carry out this most heinous crime.

So given your "logic" and the fact that your in here shooting your mouth
off, does that mean your a moron?
Or that your name is Bob?
Or you live in your mothers' basement and watch old Star Trek reruns all
day?

Your thinking is flawed, better get it fixed.

Oh yeah, you've also assumed the gender of the criminal to be male. Is your
perpetrator also african-american?

moron

And it mentions that it was a _hunter_, rather than a yahoo with a gun in
the woods shooting up the place? Let's have the citation then..

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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Phil McCracken wrote:
>
> > > [snip]

> > Again, where is the part about a "hunter"?

>
>On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Phil McCracken wrote:
>
>> > [snip]

Apparently, for beings from your planet, anyone who happens to be in
the woods with a firearm is a "hunter". On Earth, we require that the
person actually be hunting to fulfill the definition.

That should clear the air.

Most hunters don't belong to the NRA. Even if one assumes every NRA
member is a hunter (which is false), a moron would immediately see
that there are many more hunters than NRA members. Have you been
getting garbled transmissions wherever you are out there?
G Boggs

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. -Y. Berra

>[...]

Where are the "deep woods" in that area? Do you mean he was more than
100 yards from the road?

>[...]
>

Having extensive experience with both types of arms, it would be
easier for me to damage an insulator with a rifle than with a shotgun.
Semi-sentient gasbags, like those from your planet, may differ.

Ok I give up Phil, are you refering to me???
Bob B.

NO This says: A shotgun. Woods. Shooting up poles. Rome/Camden.
And based on the orginal post, How was it determend that it was done
with a Shotgun?, Did the Law enforcement officers find a Shotgun Hull
laying next to the pole??? And if so was it an old hull, or a new one?
Was it checked for fingerprints. So as you see your theory of it being
a "Hunter" is unjustified, and circumstantial at best...Nice try who
ever you are...

Amen....

Denpends on if the person in question is a member of the NTA.

Bob B.
>

Well.....ah....I don't think so, but I COULD have been ; )

> > How is it that someone shooting a shotgun at nine o'clock at night is a
> > hunter?
>

I take it back... Even "Judge" Wheeler wasn't this dense! :-)

>Not *every* moron in the woods with a gun is a hunter.

Not every hunter in the woods with a gun is a moron, either. But the
percentage is pretty high.
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Ok just checking....
>

Why would anybody but hunters be out in THAT part of the woods. Duh.

> Although I don't own one, I've heard many home defense "experts" claim
> that a shotgun is much more effective than a handgun. A gun nut
> acquaintance of mine says - and it intuitively sounds right to me - that
> the "tschi-TSCHIK" sound of a pump-action shotgun chambering a shell is
> all that is needed to get an intruder to bolt from the premises.

Great. But this didn't happen in anybody's home. It was in an area
frequented by hunters.

> I don't know anything about the Rome/Camden area.

I do. So pipe down.

> Your conclusion that the shooter must have been a hunter is indicative
> of sloppy and wishful thinking.

The only wishful slop is coming from you.
1) You assume it's my assessment. It isn't.
2) It's what NiMo and the authorities are thinking.

Yeah, but who tends to own them? Hunters. Overwhelmingly.

> More faulty logic. Only hunters go out in the woods?

Correction- you mean go out in the woods WITH A SHOTGUN.

> This is going to be a
> shock to all those nature lovers! :^>

Not really. Nature lovers don't go into the woods with guns.

No bias on your part I see.

> =Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun?
>
> A trapshooter?

In the woods. AT night?

> =And why would they be out in
> =the woods (which is where this happened).
>
> Because it's a free country?

You guys are grasping at straws. I think you're a little too sensitive.
Post a little Y2K fun and you guys whine like the girly men you are.

> =And, this is the Rome-Camden
> =area. More rednecks than boils on Bob Barr's butt.
>
> I see. You're a bigot. I should have picked that up earlier.

Yeah, I hate boils.

> ="Earth is like the Alabama of the universe...They all know we're here but they
> =don't want to have anything to do with us"
>
> Who is "all"?

Don't know. it's a tagline I saw, chuckled at, and adopted.

Typical movement of the goalposts.

Interesting way to justify a lie....

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Verne

Because there was a power pole they could vandalize wihtout being seen or
caught? Double duh...

I wonder if this person's an ARA, too?

Source for this statistic, please....

Another movement of the goalposts....

If this Chalupa is only a troll, he found your (collective) button.

jonathan

[...]

The point is hunters wouldn't be out at night. Also what makes you think it
was in the woods? From what I've seen not many transformers are in the
middle of the woods (no need).

Don't you mean by some nut that wanted to vandalize the power companies
property?

Wrong. I go into the woods with guns, and *I* love nature.

Broiled, preferably.

I really do love nature. I have the bumper sticker, and everything!

My most favorite parts of nature are the parts you can eat.

P.S. I didn't trim the headers, because I have never posted anything to
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, and I thought it would look really good in my
Dejanews profile.

P.P.S. I don't think animals are all that ethical, and lots of them aren't even
vegetarians, either. Must really limit the topics of discussion.
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When I'm out hunting jack rabbits, I look for places they may be hiding
like a good clump of sagebrush or and old shed or something. I put a
few rounds into it to scare them out. Then I slay the little rodents.
After I kill them, I smear their blood on my face and tie one of their
ears to my hair. It's fun. My grandson loves it.

I'm tired of all you anti-hunters complaining. Hunting is a very
honorable sport. We respect and honor the game we kill. It's almost a
religous experience. I know I feel closer to God when the bullet finds
flesh.

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Nonecked moron. You assume it's my assumption. It's not. It's what the
authorities and NiMo are thinking.

Yes. You are so maladjusted and defensive about your "lifestyle" going
extinct, your ilk will try any mental gymnastic to defend anybody who
hunts. Is a licensed driver who get arrested for drunk driving, no called
a "driver"? This is your logic.

If your mother wears army boots and picks her nose, and gets caught
shoplifting, the fact that she's also a criminal doesnt change the fact
that she still wears army boots and picks her nose.

And why are you so defensive abut a humorous Y2K story. I think you're
strangely defensive.

> Jim

Granted. But NiMo and the cops seem to think it's a damn likely
proposition that it's mostly likely a hunter.

Just like everybody who rings your doorbell while holding a Bible isnt
there to convert you. Maybe they're just looking for directions. but the
chances are...

> I tried a quick search but couldn't find it. Can you post the URL

I assumed it would have been put out there by now. Yo may have to check
with local media then if the AP didn;t pick it up. Or call NiMo or the
authorities.

My you guys sure get bent out of shape easy. I guess it's been rough the
past 20 years.

So one has to be in the act of HUNTING, at that very moment, to be called
"a hunter"? Your logic would also say, a licensed driver is not a driver
if they are not actually controlling a vehicle.

The semantic hoops you bubbas jump through. :-)
No wonder you're dying out. Even chicks can out-logic you.
More neurotic than Woodsy Allen.

BTW how do you know he wasn't shooting at a raccoon or raven?
Just curious.

Can't see the forest for the tree I see. I dont give a rat's about your
stats or venn diagrams on NRA/hunter membership. The point is, that a
person does not stop being something because they do something stupid or
illegal.

Kind of like how you don't stop being bipedal just because you sit on your
butt and post sophomoric messages on newsgroups.

There are -7 days remaining. Ooops.

I never said anything about an insulator. Hmmm. Do you know more about
this case than you're letting on?

Also "transmission pole" may mean various things. It could mean the kind
of pole you see that also carries telephone wires.

> NO This says: A shotgun. Woods. Shooting up poles. Rome/Camden.

Bending over backwards not to see. You guys would make great
criminal-defense lawyers. You know, the ones that get criminals off and
then the NRA uses them as poster children.

"Hmmm. We have this sinking ship. There's an iceberg near it. And
there's a long, ice-filled gash in the ship's side. No, I dont think the
ship sank due to the the iceberg. A CRIMINAL did it."

I don;t know. I imagine the authorities aren;t going to release that
info to the media, due to the nature of the crime.

I think they suspect a shotgun because a scatter blast, would be more
likely to take down a line than a rifle-- only because at night, it'd be
harder to do that with a rifle. A shotgun allows for slightly less
accurate shots to accomplish the job.

Go cry to the officials investigating it. It's their theory.

Whiners and wusses the lot of you. Get some lives.

By the logic of many hunters here, one is ONLY a member of the NTA when
one actually has a small screaming animal in a trap.

I'm still trying to figure out why Hunter S. Thompson was in New York state.
I can picture him drunk and shooting at power lines, but in New York?

Yeah thats pretty funny. Too bad I was addressing you, moron.
The fact is Chalupa, you posted a lie that offends people. Man up and admit
you made a mistake.
I think the thing that is bugging us hunters is the fact that you made such
a small and obvious mistake but you refuse to be corrected.
By refusing to admit that you jumped to conclusions and assumed that "one of
us" did it, you make an absolute ass of yourself. Its all there in plain
english for anyone to read.
I can except the fact that your an idiot and a whimp, can you?
I was just trying to help you out.
But your still a moron.

Love,
Phil

Bob B.

What do you expect from an obvious troll? When pegged, they just try to
blow it off as a "joke." Question is, what is the "joke" in this case? An
obvious example of vandalism, or a blatent distortion of the facts? Either
way, our poster loses credibility....

If he had a clue, he wouldn't have made such an ass out of himself to begin
with! ;-)

Nope. Clay pigeon shooters and farmers for vermin control.
Run along now little troll.

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The road to progress is the path of fools!!!

YEah, no one likes the woods but hunters! Idiot.

So? If it happened in San Francisco, would you automatically assume a
gay guy did it?

Not enough about people though. Your loss.

So?

Your point?

Oh yeah, you don't have one.

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prayer." -mark twain.

Steve

> [snip]
>
> > More trash.
> > Where exactly is the part about a "hunter"? For all we know, it was
Marika
> > out there shooting.
> > Nice try
>
> Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun? And why would they be out in
> the woods (which is where this happened). And, this is the Rome-Camden
> area. More rednecks than boils on Bob Barr's butt.
>
>
> "Earth is like the Alabama of the universe...They all know we're here but
they
> don't want to have anything to do with us"
>
>
>

Learn to spell, dickweed. Oh and while you're at it get a sense of humour -
my posting was a *joke*.

Depends on the range, don't it? Doubt if a shotgun would hit anything at 500
yards...

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>Yeah, but who tends to own them? Hunters. Overwhelmingly.]

There are roughly seventy million gun owners in the US. According to
the US Fish and Wildlife Service's latest figures (1996), there were
14 million hunters that year. You do the math.

>
>[...]

Your correction is correct. Nevertheless, your conclusion is still
wrong.

>
>> This is going to be a
>> shock to all those nature lovers! :^>

Some do. Really! You just don't know everybody, so you seem to be
having problems with your... "logic".

>[...]

_______

G Boggs

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. -Y. Berra

Asking for the URL is "bent out of shape"??? You certainly are a
thin-skinned lot of gasbags on your planet.

Dunno, Duh-man. What's out there to hunt this time of year?

How do you know hunters "frequent" that area?

Good to know. Then you'll have some statistics to support your silly
claims.

The URL?

>On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, G Boggs wrote:
>
>> =Simple logic. Who else would own a shotgun?
>>
>> A trapshooter?
>
>In the woods. AT night?

No less likely than a hunter in the woods at night. Game is
notoriously difficult to see at night, much less aim at. As are clay
pigeons.

>
>
>> =And why would they be out in
>> =the woods (which is where this happened).
>>
>> Because it's a free country?
>
>You guys are grasping at straws. I think you're a little too sensitive.
>Post a little Y2K fun and you guys whine like the girly men you are.

I have made no claims about anything, hence I have no straws to grasp.
You have failed to support any of your claims. That's the bottom line.

>
>> =And, this is the Rome-Camden
>> =area. More rednecks than boils on Bob Barr's butt.
>>
>> I see. You're a bigot. I should have picked that up earlier.
>
>Yeah, I hate boils.

And "rednecks", apparently. Most of which could cobble together a
better argument than you've been able to.

>
>> ="Earth is like the Alabama of the universe...They all know we're here but they
>> =don't want to have anything to do with us"
>>
>> Who is "all"?
>
>Don't know. it's a tagline I saw, chuckled at, and adopted.

It worked. Now we're laughing at you.

>You have to admit, for an admittedly minor and unsubstantiated piece of
>news that someone subjectively attributed to hunters, you guys are sure
>frothing at your collective mouths.

If pointing out logical flaws is "frothing at the mouth", then, yes, I
suppose we are. However, such a definition is somewhat different than
the usual understanding about the meaning of the phrase.

However, I do enjoy ridiculing people like Chalupa, whether they're
consumers of tofu hot dogs, keepers of feral cats, loony philosophers,
or anti-hunters. I've made no bones about that being exactly the
reason I participate in this newsgroup.

>And Mr. Mercer calls vegetarianism a
>social group that "...emphasizes labels, group solidarity, and group
>superiority..." He should check you guys out.

He's here, so I assume he does.

>
>If this Chalupa is only a troll, he found your (collective) button.
> [...]

Since I'm not much of a collectivist, I can tell you that loony claims
are definitely my personal Fun Button. And it appears that you're
getting ready to push it in a post or two down the road. Please do.

Apparently, nobody has been caught in the normal, usual sense of the
word "caught". You see, that's why I'm laughing at you. You just can't
seem to get through a post without some stupid error like that.

>
>[...]

It's not defensive to point out that your grasp of the language leaves
much to be desired, as I did above. But it is fun.

Yes. Right now, I am not a "driver". Those people are out on the road.

"Chicks"? Now there's a revealing comment.

"Out-logic"? "Out-logic" is a verb? You are obviously a product of
outcome-based education.

How do you know the shooter was a "he"? Just curious. Among your other
amusing beliefs, do you also think "chicks" don't own guns?

Another amusing sentence construction from the person who apparently
believes "chicks" don't own guns.

No, the point was that your comment about NRA membership was stupid.

Moreover, I made no claim that someone "stopped being something"
because they "did something stupid". My claim was completely
different. I claimed that a peson who goes into the woods to shoot at
a power pole is not "hunting" (unless the location of the power pole
is unknown). Nor do I, or I think most semi-rational and rational
people, consider me a "hunter" when I go hiking in the mountains in
the summer. They consider me a "hiker". When I go "camping", they
refer to me as a "camper". I know that's an amazing stretch for
someone of your obviously limited ability, but it's nevertheless true.

No, one doesn't stop being "bipedal", but no one has ever called me a
"hiker" or "camper" when I was sitting down typing. I realize you
probably won't understand why, but your analogy is completely
inappropriate.

I guess semi-sentient gasbags from your planet just have a tough time
with English, eh?

How can -7 days "remain"?

>Oooops.

Indeed!