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Cully_J

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Aug 14, 2005, 4:31:02 PM8/14/05
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Hey folks,

In the "hanging bikes upside down?" thread, someone mentioned that hanging a
bike upside down causes the frame too stretch over time.

To be honest, I've never heard of a frame stretching problem until I read
that post.

if that's true, could somebody please explain it?

regards,
Cully_ J


wafflycat

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Aug 14, 2005, 4:59:29 PM8/14/05
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"Cully_J" <aca...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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In said post, note my line, "Must dash, Matron has my medication ready for
me to take ;-)"
That should provide a clue as to the seriousness of my response ;-)

Cheers, helen s

Bill Sornson

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Aug 14, 2005, 5:06:20 PM8/14/05
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Just prop a broom under the bike to take weight off the frame. Then you
only have to worry about compressed bristles.

HTH, BS


Arthur Harris

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Aug 14, 2005, 5:17:54 PM8/14/05
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It's well known that steel frames go soft over time. Eventually, they get
so soft that they stretch when hung upside down.

Art Harris


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di

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Aug 14, 2005, 6:32:48 PM8/14/05
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<ken...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, but if you hang it right side up the following winter it will
> compress back to it's original size. Also good if you have a Mutt &
> Jeff team sharing a single bike.
>
> Joe
> ---


This is almost as bad a when I heard a tire salesman try to tell a woman
customer that her tire had a bent steel belt and should be replaced.


Leo Lichtman

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Aug 14, 2005, 6:49:19 PM8/14/05
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<ken...@hotmail.com> wrote: Yes, but if you hang it right side up the
following winter it will compress back to it's original size. (clip)
Rong. Whether you hang the bike right-side-up or upside-down, the weight is
stretching the vertical components. A more advanced theory is that the
compression during riding is high enough to more than reverse the hanging
stretch. Of course, this cannot be exactly true for all rider weights and
relative riding/hanging times. Carl Fogel, do you have links to data on
this?


mo fo

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Aug 14, 2005, 7:07:23 PM8/14/05
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I'm gonna hang my bike by the back wheel only, so it can stretch
longer. Then I'll put on another seat and make it into a tandem!

~R

"Leo Lichtman" <l.lic...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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: <ken...@hotmail.com> wrote: Yes, but if you hang it right side

:
:


Brian Wax

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Aug 14, 2005, 7:23:40 PM8/14/05
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I would be more concerned about the compressed air in the tires. As you
know, the air packs down over time and you have to add more on top of the
air that is in the tire--unless you have a leak. If you fill your tires at
sea level the air is heavier than the air in the mountains. Therefore, you
can put more air in your tires at higher elevations.


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BobT

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Aug 14, 2005, 8:41:38 PM8/14/05
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"Cully_J" <aca...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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Gravity acts on the frame causing it to stretch. Initially, the effect is
small, but eventually it can affect handling. The effect is most pronounced
at higher latitudes as gravity is less strong at sea level near the equator
because of the bulge of the earth in the middle. Typically, if one sits on
the bike on a steep hill facing down the hill with the front brake locked
for about 1 minute for each hour the bike has been hung, the effect will be
nullified. Look for a hill with at least a 10% grade. I think Sheldon
Brown has a faq on this, see http://www.sheldonbrown.com/articles.html

I hope this helps.

BobT


Dr. Long Duck Dong

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Aug 14, 2005, 9:20:24 PM8/14/05
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"Cully_J" <aca...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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>

Do you know that there is no such word as "gullible"? It's not in the
dictionary. Go ahead, look it up.


jobst....@stanfordalumni.org

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Aug 14, 2005, 11:27:16 PM8/14/05
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anonymous snipes:


>> In the "hanging bikes upside down?" thread, someone mentioned that
>> hanging a bike upside down causes the frame too stretch over time.

>> To be honest, I've never heard of a frame stretching problem until
>> I read that post.

>> if that's true, could somebody please explain it?

> Do you know that there is no such word as "gullible"? It's not in
> the dictionary. Go ahead, look it up.

In addition to your frame being stretched, your spell checker is broken.

Jobst Brandt

Tom Keats

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Aug 14, 2005, 11:44:40 PM8/14/05
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In article <3xRLe.7313$Pl1.2351@okepread02>,
"BobT" <robertREM0VE...@cox.net> writes:

> Gravity acts on the frame causing it to stretch.

If you hang the bike by the front wheel only, and it's a
straight-gauge steel frame, you'll eventually get a
butted frame. If it's an aluminum frame and you leave it
hanging for long enough, eventually the rear half of the
bike will fall off the still-hanging front half.

Carbon fibre is unaffected, but it has it's own problem, in
accumulating static electrical charges and zapping the rider.


cheers,
Tom

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Blair P. Houghton

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Aug 15, 2005, 2:04:29 AM8/15/05
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di <di0...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>This is almost as bad a when I heard a tire salesman try to tell a woman
>customer that her tire had a bent steel belt and should be replaced.

You don't want to ride a tire that has a crimped wire in the bead.

--Blair
"Enter Kevlar."

di

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Aug 15, 2005, 8:58:53 AM8/15/05
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"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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An automotive tire & a steel belt not a bead, you don't bend steel belts.


AustinMN

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Aug 15, 2005, 1:16:57 PM8/15/05
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BobT Wrote:
> Gravity acts on the frame causing it to stretch. Initially, the effect is
> small, but eventually it can affect handling. The effect is most pronounced
> at higher latitudes as gravity is less strong at sea level near the equator
> because of the bulge of the earth in the middle.

The bulge at the equator is only part of the effect. Don't forget,
there is a lot of centripital acceleration at the equator that is less
at the poles.

BTW, this is the reason people are so much happier at the equator,
because things are less grave (due to less gravity, the opposite of
happiness).

Austin

Leo Lichtman

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Aug 15, 2005, 2:00:09 PM8/15/05
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"AustinMN" wrote: (clip) BTW, this is the reason people are so much happier
at the equator, because things are less grave (due to less gravity, the
opposite of happiness).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
People are happier at the equator because they "get around" more. People at
the poles don't get around at all--they turn in place. It must be very
dull.

The opposite of gravity is levity. If we had more levity, bicycle frames
would't stretch at all--so this thread serves a useful purpose.


Mark Hickey

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Aug 15, 2005, 9:22:33 PM8/15/05
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jobst....@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

>anonymous snipes:

>> Do you know that there is no such word as "gullible"? It's not in
>> the dictionary. Go ahead, look it up.
>
>In addition to your frame being stretched, your spell checker is broken.

Jobst, go look in the mirror... there's a hook stuck in your cheek...

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

jobst....@stanfordalumni.org

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Aug 15, 2005, 10:01:42 PM8/15/05
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Mark Hickey writes:

>>> Do you know that there is no such word as "gullible"? It's not in
>>> the dictionary. Go ahead, look it up.

>> In addition to your frame being stretched, your spell checker is broken.

> Jobst, go look in the mirror... there's a hook stuck in your cheek...

This one has been around too often to catch many fish. Do you need
caricatures at the end of sentences in this context to catch the
meaning?

Jobst Brandt

AustinMN

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Aug 16, 2005, 1:19:01 PM8/16/05
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
<snip>

> People are happier at the equator because they "get around" more. People at
> the poles don't get around at all--they turn in place.

That thought just makes me dizzy.

Austin

Chris Zacho The Wheelman

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Aug 18, 2005, 6:36:18 PM8/18/05
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wax...@ix.netcom.com (Brian Wax) noted:

>I would be more concerned about the
>compressed air in the tires. As you
>know, the air packs down over time and
>you have to add more on top of the air
>that is in the tire--unless you have a
>leak.

Good point! If you plan to store your bike for long preriods of time, be
sure the valves are positioned at the top, or they may become clogged
with air, making "topping off" difficult or impossible, requiring
replacement of the tubes.

- -

"May you have the winds at your back,
And a really low gear for the hills!"

Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

Chris'Z Corner
http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

Bob the Cow

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:39:54 AM8/19/05
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"Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" <Chrisz...@webtv.net> wrote in message

> Good point! If you plan to store your bike for long preriods of time, be
sure the valves are positioned at the top, or they may become clogged
with air, making "topping off" difficult or impossible, requiring
replacement of the tubes.

None of that foolishness would be necessary if you'd just remember to
completely change the air in your tires every two weeks. Only stale and
lumpy air will clog the valve, irrespective of the valve's position. Fresh
air won't cause the problem at all, and only lazy people "top off" anyway,
and they deserve clogged valves.


Bruce & Lois Nelson

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Aug 24, 2005, 10:27:56 AM8/24/05
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For $20 (Canadian), I will send instructions for air changing. I used to
sell kits, but have been having trouble locating a Canadian manufacturer of
suitable small lightweight equipment. Probably easier to find equipment
vendors in the US.

If the change is not done properly, permanent damage to the tube, tire, and
possibly the wheel, may result.

Bru$e


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