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Ger Apeldoorn

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Re: Meskin/Robinson
« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2012, 03:47:16 AM »
I am trying to create a timeline of the word of Mort Meskin and Jerry Robinson in the period they worked together. No one has done this systemeticly yet. First thing I ran into was Justice Traps the Guilty (1947 series) #v1#4 [4] - Guilty Boys, which at the GCD has no credits, but looks like it's pure Meskin to me. Steven Brower has it as Meskin/Robinson in his Meskin checklist, but I don't see Jerry here. In fact, if you compare it to the story they did in JTTG #5, you can clearly see, what it is he brought to the collaboration.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2012, 10:00:59 AM »
My take, Ger,
is that they learned their weaknesses and strengths in that first JTtG #4 job, and quickly and permanently shifted roles for the one in JTtG #5. I think #4 is Meskin pencils and Robinson inks, and almost every other team-up is Robinson pencils and Meskin inks.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2012, 12:02:13 AM »
Nice take... I'll look for that. That would mean this might be their first collaboration of that period?

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2012, 07:02:32 PM »
It might be, Ger,
I was relying on YOUR comment that this was the earliest thing on Steven Bower's checklist in my speculation. I really have not studied their team-ups all that much. I LOVE them, and collect them, but I've not tried to sequence them.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2012, 01:46:30 PM »
My take, Ger,
is that they learned their weaknesses and strengths in that first JTtG #4 job, and quickly and permanently shifted roles for the one in JTtG #5. I think #4 is Meskin pencils and Robinson inks, and almost every other team-up is Robinson pencils and Meskin inks.

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And the Headline estory before that?

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2012, 01:50:17 PM »
No, actually, there are 'collaborations' in Headline #29 and on ein Young Romance with an earlier publication date. As well as Billy The Kid  #v1#2, which the GCD has as solo Meskin, but which has a lot of Robinsonisms, startin from the splash page. So first thing I have to do, is ut them all in libe...

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« Reply #96 on: January 19, 2012, 03:55:26 PM »
No, actually, there are 'collaborations' in Headline #29 and on ein Young Romance with an earlier publication date. As well as Billy The Kid  #v1#2, which the GCD has as solo Meskin, but which has a lot of Robinsonisms, startin from the splash page. So first thing I have to do, is ut them all in libe...


I am anxious to participate in the discussion, Ger, but I require (sorry) issue numbers, publishers and dates to do so. Which Billy the Kid #2? Not all of us share all of your familiarity? Please make it easier for us to join in the conversation.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2012, 04:29:53 AM »
The Billy the Kid is on show at my blog (www.allthingsger.blogspot.com) where I will eventually have all relevant materials available. I am sort of jumping the gun here. I am very busy with my television work at the moment and it will take me a while to do this properly.

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« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2012, 03:58:37 PM »
I hate to tell you this, Ger, but I don't want to wade through your blog. I generally HATE blogs. Can you just give me a publisher, title, issue # and let me go from there. I have all those comics, too, and it's so much easier to just grab an original comic and take a look for myself.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #99 on: January 21, 2012, 12:54:39 AM »
I took a look and I think Ger is talking about this one Jim -
'Billy The Kid'
15 pages Western Fighters (1948 series) #v1#2
(June-July 1948)

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2012, 03:09:40 AM »
Yep... I will do a list with my opinions as soon as I am ready. As I said, I may have jumped the gun here. I am still getting everythng ready for a discussion. I am just now scanning the Mesking story from Headline #29. But if you want to have a look, Jim... there is an interesting mix of things happening with Meskin and Robinson in early 1948.

First Meskin drops out of The Vigilante and his place is taken by George Roussos. This may have been do to the new stories for Western, although they do no appear until later that year. Then Meskin reappears in Action with Vigilante. We have the Billy the Kid story. Meskin and Robinson start working for Headline, Young Romance and JTTG. Some of these stories are credited to Meskin solo, but I just don't know. The first Headline story (probably the first Prize story anyway) looks the same as the first JTTG story. I am intrigued b your notion that Meskin and Robinson may have started their collaboration the other way around. The Young Romance story has more Robinson in it. On the whole you can see that all of these stories are better drawn and more detailed than anything Meskin had been doing up to the point he temporarily left Vigilante. I am trying to get all these stories up on my blog to try and do a comparison...

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« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2012, 12:33:41 PM »
First off, Ger, I confess to a complete ignorance when it comes to the DC appearances you quote. I take your word implicitly regarding those. However, when it comes to the Hillman Billy the Kid story, I looked at it again and then went and checked my index card done 20 years ago: same results. I see no Robinson here. My card says Meskin (w/Roussos? or Starr?) and that's still what I see. Starr is most likely pencilling this with Meskin doing the inks. Possible some Roussos inks as well.

As for the Prize work, give me the titles/issues/stories and I'll see what I can see. And remember, I haven't SEEN the DC material you refer to. I could never afford the books and was much more intrigued by the "lesser" publishers of the day.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2012, 12:43:53 PM »
Yep... I will do a list with my opinions as soon as I am ready. As I said, I may have jumped the gun here. I am still getting everythng ready for a discussion. I am just now scanning the Mesking story from Headline #29. But if you want to have a look, Jim... there is an interesting mix of things happening with Meskin and Robinson in early 1948.

Take a look at Postage Stamp Killer (or something like that) in Headline #28, Ger. I think that is the perfect example of them getting it backwards the first time.

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Re: Art Spotting in general
« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2014, 04:53:24 AM »
I can provide an image of what Barbara Hall looked like.  She was my mother and a very very beautiful woman, "more beautiful than any motion-picture actress in Hollywood," as my  besotted (and Bohemian) father said of her.  Let me know if this is of interest to anyone.


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« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2014, 07:08:28 PM »
I am sure that Roy Thomas would love to have pictures for Alter Ego. Roy & Dann Thomas <roydann@ntinet.com>
Also if you have any information about your mother's work that you can correct or add to the GCD it would be great to have her get all the credit she deserves. www.comics.org