One God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!

Humm!!
God spoke things into being with God's Word.

When a person speaks words they are verbal expressions of the thoughts
of that person and those verbal expressions have the full backing of
the man that spoke them even though the words have left that person
that spoke them.

Genesis 15:1 (NRSV)
15 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision,
"Do not be afraid, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very
great."

Humm!!
So many time in the Old Testiment/Tanack when God speaks to His people
it is worded as above. The single "Word" of God conveys a message of
words, to Abram in this case. Why isn't it the "words" of the Lord
came to Abram unless all the words of God are contained in the
singular Word of God. Two characteristic of this Hebrew word that has
been translated into English is that the word is a noun and masculine.

The Hebrew word for the "Spirit" of God is noun and feminine which
expresses the idea that God's thoughts are conveyed by God's Word
which is then given birth by the power of the Spirit of God.

God's: Thought- "Let there be light", Word-"The thought is verbalised
and goes out", Spirit-"Gives birth to that verbalised idea"

Deuteronomy 5:23-27 (NRSV)
23 When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain
was burning with fire, you approached me, all the heads of your tribes
and your elders; 24 and you said, "Look, the Lord our God has shown us
his glory and greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the fire.
Today we have seen that God may speak to someone and the person may
still live. 25 So now why should we die? For this great fire will
consume us; if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer, we
shall die. 26 For who is there of all flesh that has heard the voice
of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and remained
alive? 27 Go near, you yourself, and hear all that the Lord our God
will say. Then tell us everything that the Lord our God tells you, and
we will listen and do it."

Humm!!
Nearly all the people were afraid to death of the Word of God when the
voice came out of nowhere so Moses was asked to be a go between, to
mediate between God and His people.

Deuteronomy 18:15-18 (NRSV)
15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from
among your own people; you shall heed such a prophet. 16 This is what
you requested of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly
when you said: "If I hear the voice of the Lord my God any more, or
ever again see this great fire, I will die." 17 Then the Lord replied
to me: "They are right in what they have said. 18 I will raise up for
them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my
words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything
that I command.

Humm!!
God told Moses that God would raise up another prophet like Moses who
spoke the mind of God but the major difference is that this time God's
Word would come directly out of His mouth i.e. this prophet was the
direct mouthpiece of God. Instead of God's Word coming to us from a
mountain or a bush the Word is housed in a Human being, which people
are a whole lot more comfortable with.

John 1:1-18 (NRSV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came
into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.
What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light
of all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
did not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a
witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through
him. 8 He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the
light. 9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into
the world.b
10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet
the world did not know him. 11 He came to what was his own, and his
own people did not accept him. 12 But to all who received him, who
believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, 13 who
were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of
man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his
glory, the glory as of a father's only son, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified to him and cried out, "This was he of whom I said,
践e who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' ")
16 From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 The
law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus
Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is
close to the Father's heart, who has made him known.

Humm!!
God is all seeing, all knowing and in every atom of creation while
people and angels are created and housed in their bodies giving them
individualities, apart from God. The action of these individualities
are free to follow God's perfect will or rebell against God's will
causing destruction to God's harmony.

God created family for God but if the members of that family turn
their backs on God then they will in time, forever be cast out of God
to the hell's of their creation. Jesus is the focal point of God's
Word creating the harmony between the individuals and God, being of
one mind with God the Father and God's Spirit.

There is only one God and yet God is shown as plural form in some
bible verses which others take as meaning that their are more gods
than the one God so they make gods out of angels or even mankind
themselves which is not true. God the Father(the Source) of God's
Word(Jesus) carried out by God's Spirit are of one mind and purpose.

Are not the spoken words of a man, now separate from that man that
spoke them, have a power and a life of their own to cause change
directly according to the thoughts of that man that spoke them with
the full force of the man behind those words. How much more so with
God's Word that was formed into a man called Jesus who is the focal
point of the omnipresent God by the created individuals.

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Genesis 1:1-3 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth
was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Humm!!
God spoke things into being with God's Word!

the man that spoke them even though the words have left the person
that spoke them.

Humm!!
So many time in the Old Testament/Tanack when God speaks to His people

been translated into English is that this word is a noun and
masculine.

10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet

are free to follow God's perfect will or rebel against God's will

Word/Jesus carried out by God's Spirit are of one mind and purpose.

point of the omnipresent God for all the created individuals.

John 8:58 (NKJV)
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham
was, I AM."

Humm!!
What Jesus is saying that He is the same "I Am" that was revealed to
Moses years before He came in human form.

Exodus 3:13-14 (NRSV)
13 But Moses said to God, "If I come to the Israelites and say to
them, 禅he God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me,
糎hat is his name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 God said to Moses,
"I Am Who I Am." He said further, "Thus you shall say to the
Israelites, 選 Am has sent me to you.' "

Humm!!
Who is the I Am but God as it is clearly revealed in the above
scripture. Although the Word/Jesus came out from God, Jesus still is
one mind with God. Jesus is the human part of God who interacts with
humankind and those that cut themselves from Jesus cut themselves off
from God.

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
March 3, 2004

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- After a multi-state primary on
Tuesday, Massachusetts senator John Kerry put the icing on the cake in
the contest to obtain the Democratic nomination for president. Should
he defeat President Bush in November, Kerry says the first thing he
will do as president is overturn a pro-life foreign policy that
prevents taxpayer funding of abortions overseas.

Kerry won nine out of the ten states that were up for grabs on Tuesday
and pro-abortion Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, Kerry's main
opponent, said he will officially leave the race on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, in their last debate, prior to Tuesday's primary, Kerry
said his first action as president will be to overturn Bush's Mexico
City Policy.

First instituted by President Reagan in 1984, the pro-life foreign
policy prevents taxpayer money from going to groups that promote or
perform abortions in other countries. On his first day in office,
President Bush reinstated the policy after former president Bill
Clinton had canceled it during his eight years in office.

Pro-life leaders say Bush deserves to be re-elected because of his
strong pro-life record and that the stark contrast between Bush's
pro-life views and Kerry's support for abortion will motivate pr-life
advocates to turn out at the polls in November.

Richard Land, of the Southern Baptist Convention, says George Bush has
been "the most pro-life and pro-family president in my lifetime."

"Right now, the president is poised to have a very strong voter
turnout among Southern Baptists and other evangelicals this November,"
Land told Newshouse News Service.

Meanwhile, Ralph Reed, the former executive director of the Christian
Coalition, said that pro-life advocates won't let Kerry win and topple
the pro-life gains that have been made under the Bush administration.

"We will identify who are our strongest supporters and contact them by
phone and by mail and door-to-door to turn them out in record
numbers," Reed told NNS.

A national poll shows Bush's pro-life views will give him an advantage
over Kerry. A poll by Rasmussen Reports shows that President Bush
gains a four-point advantage on the abortion issue.

But abortion advocates are motivated to remove Bush from office and
NARAL has launched an effort to raise $25 million to defeat him.

"In addition to their clear drive to criminalize abortion, there has
been no opportunity of which I'm aware that they have not taken to
restrict women's rights and to oppose reproductive freedom," Gloria
Steinem, a leading abortion advocate, said in a recent interview.
Meanwhile, NARAL's Kate Michelman vouches for Kerry's pro-abortion
background.

"Even on the most difficult issues, we've never had to worry about
John Kerry's position," Michelman said.

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Exodus 20:13 (NRSV)
13 You shall not murder

Humm!!
Obviously that statement wasn't clear enough for some because suddenly
they came to the conclusion that the developing human being was
somehow not human and they could do what ever they liked to it even
though that developing human being had its own UNIQUE DNA and
fulfilled the definition of what a life is.

Revelation 13:7-9 (NRSV)
7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.
It was given authority over every tribe and people and language and
nation, 8 and all the inhabitants of the earth will worship it,
everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the
world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slaughtered.

9 Let anyone who has an ear listen:

Humm!!
"everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the
world" does that sound like each individual human life starts from
before he comes out or after? The whole process is human from
fertilized egg to the adult as it has been planned from the beginning.

Isaiah 41:4 (NRSV)
4 Who has performed and done this,
calling the generations from the beginning?
I, the Lord , am first, and will be with the last.

Humm!!
Calling the generations "BEFORE" they even existed because God knew
them.

Isaiah 49:5 (NRSV)
5 And now the Lord says,
who formed me in the womb to be his servant,
to bring Jacob back to him, and that Israel might be gathered to him,
for I am honoured in the sight of the Lord ,
and my God has become my strength—

Humm!!
God knew Isaiah as he was forming in the womb, that's from the very
beginning.

Isaiah 44:28 (NRSV)
28 who says of Cyrus, "He is my shepherd,
and he shall carry out all my purpose";
and who says of Jerusalem, "It shall be rebuilt,"
and of the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid."

Humm!!
Cyrus like Jesus was predicted to come into the world before they were
even born. Whose life did you kill murder, you who kills the
developing human being?

Isaiah 65:19-20 (NLT)
I will rejoice in Jerusalem and delight in my people. And the sound of
weeping and crying will be heard no more.

20 " No longer will babies die when only a few days old. No longer
will adults die before they have lived a full life. No longer will
people be considered old at one hundred! Only sinners will die that
young!

Humm!!
A life can be cut short but when Christ rule's every human being will
live out their whole lives without the murders cutting it short.

Isaiah 57:4-5 (NRSV)
4 Whom are you mocking?
Against whom do you open your mouth wide
and stick out your tongue?

Are you not children of transgression,
the offspring of deceit—
5 you that burn with lust among the oaks,
under every green tree;
you that slaughter your children in the valleys,
under the clefts of the rocks?

Humm!!
People that mock others are under the delusion that somehow they are
better than others and yet they don't repent of the evil they do
because it is acceptable to their society. What is acceptable to God
is another matter!

Isaiah 66:23-24 (NLT)
" All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from
month to month. 24 And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them
will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All
who pass by will view them with utter horror. "

You shall not murder

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"Please explain the symbolism in the scene showing Satan holding a
bald baby. Thank you."

Rosalinda Celentano as Satan

That's just one of dozens of e-mails we've received in the last few
days, asking about a surreal scene in The Passion of The Christ where
Satan is shown cradling a hideous baby who looks like he's about 40
years old.

The scene occurs during the flogging of Christ. Satan is passing
through a crowd of onlookers, cradling an infant in his arms. The baby
turns to face the camera, revealing a sinister infant, creeping out
audiences everywhere.

We took your questions straight to the source, e-mailing Mel Gibson's
publicist for an answer.

When asked why he portrayed Satan—an androgynous, almost beautiful
being played by Rosalinda Celentano—the way he did, Gibson replied: "I
believe the Devil is real, but I don't believe he shows up too often
with horns and smoke and a forked tail. The devil is smarter than
that. Evil is alluring, attractive. It looks almost normal, almost
good—but not quite.

"That's what I tried to do with the Devil in the film. The actor's
face is symmetric, beautiful in a certain sense, but not completely.
For example, we shaved her eyebrows. Then we shot her almost in slow
motion so you don't see her blink—that's not normal. We dubbed in a
man's voice in Gethsemane even though the actor is a woman … That's
what evil is about, taking something that's good and twisting it a
little bit."

But what about the ugly baby?

"Again," said Gibson, "it's evil distorting what's good. What is more
tender and beautiful than a mother and a child? So the Devil takes
that and distorts it just a little bit. Instead of a normal mother and
child you have an androgynous figure holding a 40-year-old 'baby' with
hair on his back. It is weird, it is shocking, it's almost too
much—just like turning Jesus over to continue scourging him on his
chest is shocking and almost too much, which is the exact moment when
this appearance of the Devil and the baby takes place."

Luke 14:25-27 (NCV)
25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and he turned and said to
them,
26 "If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife,
children, brothers,or sisters熔r even life洋ore than me, he cannot be
my follower.
27 Whoever is not willing to carry the cross and follow me cannot be
my follower.

Humm!!
Love for Jesus is first and foremost, above everything else because
the path to God is in Jesus. If you love someone you talk directly to
that person so why should it be any different with God.

1 Timothy 2:5 (NRSV)
5 For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and
humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,

Humm!!
Notice that there is no Mary, saints, or clergy in-between Jesus and
humankind?

John 14:9-14 (NRSV)
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and
you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How
can you say, 全how us the Father'? 10 Do you not believe that I am in
the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do
not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if
you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very
truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works
that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am
going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you

****ask in my name,****

so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you
ask me for anything, I will do it.

Humm!!
No matter how you cut it worshipping or praying to the saints is
pagan, God tells us that our prays are added to the prays of all His
people and somehow this message has been twisted that you have to pray
to this saint for that miracle or that saint for that miracle which is
pagan in nature and dishonours those saints that dedicated their lives
to God. Jesus specifically says ask in Jesus' name.

Acts 10:25-27 (NRSV)
25 On Peter's arrival Cornelius met him, and falling at his feet,
worshiped him. 26 But Peter made him get up, saying, "Stand up; I am
only a mortal." 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found
that many had assembled;

(Act 14:14-18 CEV)
When the two apostles found out about this, they tore their clothes in
horror and ran to the crowd, shouting: Why are you doing this? We are
humans just like you. Please give up all this foolishness. Turn to the
living God, who made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in
them. In times past, God let each nation go its own way. But he showed
that he was there by the good things he did. God sends rain from
heaven and makes your crops grow. He gives food to you and makes your
hearts glad. Even after Paul and Barnabas had said all this, they
could hardly keep the people from offering a sacrifice to them.

Humm!!
Even those saints would tell you to pray to God as commanded by Jesus
himself.

(Mat 12:47-50 CEV)
Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside and
want to talk with you." Jesus answered, "Who is my mother and who are
my brothers?" Then he pointed to his disciples and said, "These are my
mother and my brothers! Anyone who obeys my Father in heaven is my
brother or sister or mother."

Humm!!
Jesus clearly states that those who do the will of God are His brother
or sister or mother. Mary is blessed of all women in that God chose
her to come in human form into this world but all God's people are
special to God. The reason why Jesus' sinful family were there in the
first place was to try and restrain Him from speaking God's words, a
none too holy motive. (Mark 3:20-21)

Deuteronomy 5:8-10 (NRSV)
8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing
children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth
generation of those who reject me, 10 but showing steadfast love to
the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my
commandments.

Psalm 97:6-7 (NRSV)
6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness;
and all the peoples behold his glory.
7 All worshipers of images are put to shame,
those who make their boast in worthless idols;
all gods bow down before him.

Humm!!
If God says not to make idols of anything, including people, and then
these idols/statues start displaying supernatural events then it is
probably demonic in nature and worse still are these manifestations in
spirit form telling God's people that they must worship the Virgin to
worship the Son. It is a sneaky way of getting God's people to worship
a demon because if they have to pray to this demon to pray to Jesus
then sure as anything this demon has become their god.

Revelation 19:9-10 (NRSV)
9 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are
invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These
are true words of God." 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship
him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant
with you and your comrades who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship
God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

Humm!!
God's angels will tell you to worship God, the fallen angels/demonic
will want to be worshipped or will try and turn a believer in Christ
away from God.

So who should we worship and pray to?

(1Ti 2:5 CEV)
There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring
us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of
us.

The only queen of heaven mentioned in the whole bible is this one:

Jeremiah 7:18-19 (NRSV)
18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women
knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out
drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger. 19 Is it I whom
they provoke? says the Lord. Is it not themselves, to their own hurt?

America's Gambling Obsession: A Losing Bet

The nationwide explosion of legal gambling may well be the most
underrated dimension of America's moral crisis. With the expansion of
state lotteries, casino gambling, and new technologies, the gambling
industry is poised to grow even further in the next decade.

According to some estimates, as much as one-third of the nation's
money supply now moves through the gambling industry each year.
Looking at a recent annual economic report, management consultant
Eugene M. Christiansen determined that "Americans spent more on
gambling than they did on health insurance, dentists, shoes, foreign
travel, or household appliances."

The Bible is clear on this issue. The entire enterprise of gambling is
opposed to the moral worldview revealed in God's Word. The basic
impulse behind gambling is greed--a basic sin that is the father of
many other evils. Greed, covetousness, and avarice are repeatedly
addressed by Scripture--always presented as a sin against God, and
often accompanied by a graphic warning of the destruction which is
greed's result. The burning desire for earthly riches leads to
frustration and spiritual death.

As the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, "the love of money is a root of
all sorts of evil." [1 Timothy 6:10] Greed was involved in Judas'
decision to betray Christ, in the deceit of Ananias and Sapphira, and
was the root moral issue in the Rich Young Ruler's refusal to follow
Christ's command.

In the wisdom literature of the Old Testament, greed is presented as
foolishness, and Jesus amplifies this teaching in His parable of the
rich man [Luke 12:16-21]. Trusting in his economic prosperity, and
planning to build even bigger barns to hoard his wealth, the man is
called to account by God, who said to him, "You fool! This very night
your soul is required of you." This is not likely to be found as a
popular inspirational text at the local casino.

The Bible presents the stewardship of material possessions as a
crucial issue of discipleship. The Christian understands that his
possessions and money are not his own, but God's. We are trustees who
will be judged for the quality of our stewardship. Those lottery
tickets and trips to Atlantic City are going to be hard to explain
when God calls stewards to account.

Added to this is the dependence of the entire gambling system on
chance. The worldview of the gambler assumes a world of indeterminate
and random chance, for which the chief virtue is luck. The worldview
of the Bible affirms the active sovereignty of God over all events,
persons, and time--and thus there is no place for luck. The Christian
trusts in God, not in the vain hope of a winning lottery number or a
favorable roll of the dice.

Furthermore, gambling is a direct attack on the work ethic presented
in Scripture. One of the constant threads through the Old and New
Testaments is the dignity of honorable work, and the proper reward for
labor and industriousness. The worker worthy of hire is rewarded.
Lazy, slothful, and unproductive persons are undeserving of financial
rewards, and were a scandal to the early Church. Gambling severs the
dignity of work from the hope of financial gain, offering the hope of
riches without labor, and reward without dignity.

Finally, one of the most significant sins of the gambling industry is
its treatment of the poor. Rather than offering genuine hope and a way
out of poverty, gambling operators prey on those who are most
desperate. The Old Testament prophets proclaimed God's devastating
judgment against those who "devour" the poor, and yet gambling
proponents entice those at the bottom of the economic ladder to risk
everything, though they end up with nothing. The concentration of
lottery ticket outlets in lower-income neighborhoods is no accident.

Why are Christians so silent on this issue? Though some denominations
have adopted strongly worded resolutions opposed to gambling, the
issue is virtually off the moral map of most churches. There is little
evidence of any sustained theological consideration of the issue. A
review of major textbooks on Christian ethics used in evangelical
seminaries reveals not a single chapter on gambling. The issue does
not even make the tables of contents!

In all likelihood, most Christians have no conception of the problem's
scope. Once confined to Nevada (and later, New Jersey), casinos now
operate in states ranging from heartland Missouri to deep-south
Louisiana. In many states slot machines and electronic games are found
in gas stations and grocery stores, and lottery tickets are sold in a
myriad of outlets. The tentacles of the gambling industry reach deeply
into the nation's economy--and the national psyche.

The most insidious dimension of the problem is the role of government
in legitimizing and promoting the gambling enterprise. Though outlawed
until 1964, state lotteries now represent the most popular form of
legal gambling. Turning vice into an economic virtue, these states
take advantage of their most gullible citizens, while touting benefits
the gambling revenues supposedly make possible.

Gambling corrupts the culture, polluting everything it touches. Recent
scandals in college basketball are proof positive that gambling is not
a problem limited to casinos and horse tracks. Ominously, industry
executives see great promise in the development of on-line gambling
over the Internet, bringing gambling to every computer terminal and
overcoming state regulation.

The silence and complacency of the Christian church must end. As the
late pulpiteer R. G. Lee used to remind us, there will be a "payday,
someday." The Church had better not bet on this problem just going
away.

Huh???
Mary was not 'chosen to come in human form'. JESUS was.
She was blessed in that she was chosen by God to carry the Christ-child
in human form.

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I hope that Kerry doesn't win but I'm afraid he will. America seems to be
going down the tubes at an ever increasing rate of speed and that's a real
bummer.

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Notice you just twisted the quote from Timothy. You're not stating
the same thing as Timothy. Timothy says between "between God and
humankind" (which is Jesus). YOU changed it to "in-between Jesus and
humankind".

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martus wrote:

===>RIDICULOUS SPECULATION!
SEE: Exodus 4:28
Moses told Aaron all the words of the LORD with which He had sent him, and all the signs
that He had commanded him to do.

Exodus 24:3
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the LORD and all the
ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice and said, "All the words which the
LORD has spoken we will do!"

Exodus 24:4
Moses wrote down all the words of the LORD. Then he arose early in the morning, and built
an altar at the foot of the mountain with twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel.

Numbers

Numbers 11:24
So Moses went out and told the people the words of the LORD. Also, he gathered seventy
men of the elders of the people, and stationed them around the tent.

Numbers 24:4
The oracle of him who hears the words of God,
Who sees the vision of the Almighty,
Falling down, yet having his eyes uncovered,

Numbers 24:16
The oracle of him who hears the words of God,
And knows the knowledge of the Most High,
Who sees the vision of the Almighty,
Falling down, yet having his eyes uncovered.

Joshua

Joshua 3:9
Then Joshua said to the sons of Israel, "Come here, and hear the words of the LORD your
God."

Joshua 24:27
Joshua said to all the people, "Behold, this stone shall be for a witness against us, for
it has heard all the words of the LORD which He spoke to us; thus it shall be for a
witness against you, so that you do not deny your God."

1 Samuel

1 Samuel 8:10
So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who had asked of him a king.

1 Samuel 15:1
Then Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over
Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD.

1 Chronicles

1 Chronicles 25:5
All these were the sons of Heman the king's seer to exalt him according to the words of
God, for God gave fourteen sons and three daughters to Heman.

2 Chronicles

2 Chronicles 11:4
'Thus says the LORD, "You shall not go up or fight against your relatives; return every
man to his house, for this thing is from Me.""' So they listened to the words of the LORD
and returned from going against Jeroboam.

2 Chronicles 29:15
They assembled their brothers, consecrated themselves, and went in to cleanse the house
of the LORD, according to the commandment of the king by the words of the LORD.

Psalms

Psalms 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words;
As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.

Psalms 107:11
Because they had rebelled against the words of God
And spurned the counsel of the Most High.

Jeremiah

Jeremiah 36:4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah, and Baruch wrote on a scroll at the
dictation of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD which He had spoken to him.

Jeremiah 36:6
"So you go and read from the scroll which you have written at my dictation the words of
the LORD to the people in the LORD'S house on a fast day. And also you shall read them to
all the people of Judah who come from their cities.

Jeremiah 36:8
Baruch the son of Neriah did according to all that Jeremiah the prophet commanded him,
reading from the book the words of the LORD in the LORD'S house.

Jeremiah 36:11
Now when Micaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard all the words of the
LORD from the book,

Jeremiah 37:2
But neither he nor his servants nor the people of the land listened to the words of the
LORD which He spoke through Jeremiah the prophet.

Jeremiah 43:1
But as soon as Jeremiah, whom the LORD their God had sent, had finished telling all the
people all the words of the LORD their God--that is, all these words--

Amos

Amos 8:11
"Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord GOD,
"When I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water,
But rather for hearing the words of the LORD

IS THAT ENOUGH TO SHOW YOUR ERROR? -- L.

06mar04
NEW YORK: Princess Diana delivered a devastating attack on her
then-husband Prince Charles in secret tapes aired for the first time
yesterday in the US.

The late princess, speaking when her marriage was in crisis, said
Charles made her "feel so inadequate in every possible way" and
described how bulimia and depression blighted her life.

She also detailed self-harm incidents such as hurling herself down a
flight of stairs, slashing her chest and thighs with a penknife,
cutting her wrists and throwing herself into a glass cabinet at
Kensington Palace.

According to the princess, Charles was disappointed their second
child, Prince Harry, was a boy and hated his red hair.

She also claimed she wanted Prince William's birth to be induced but
had to schedule the procedure around her husband's polo games.

The audio tapes, aired on the US network NBC, were used as the basis
for Andrew Morton's book Diana: Her True Story.

Diana recorded six audio tapes, as well as video tapes, in secret
sessions at Kensington Palace.

"My husband made me feel so inadequate in every possible way that each
time I came up for air he pushed me down again," she said. "I hated
myself so much I didn't think I was good enough. The public side, they
wanted a fairy princess, someone who touched them and everything would
turn to gold. Little did they realise that the individual was
crucifying herself inside because she didn't think she was good
enough."

She said her hopes for a happy marriage were "slashed" by day two of
her 1981 honeymoon, after her husband, who brought eight novels on the
trip, spent most of the time reading. Charles also carried two
photographs of his mistress Camilla Parker Bowles in his diary during
the honeymoon, she claimed.

Describing one incident of self-harm, she said: "I wanted to talk to
Charles about something and he wouldn't listen to me. He said I was
crying wolf so I picked up his penknife off his dressing table and
scratched myself down my chest and both thighs. There was a lot of
blood." Another time, she said she heard Charles talking to Parker
Bowles on the phone. "Charles said 'Whatever happens, I will always
love you'," she claimed.

NBC said the tapes were made between September 1992 and December 1993,
at a time when Diana's relationship with Charles was in turmoil. The
marriage came to an end in July 1996.

Diana died in August 1997 in a car crash with her lover Dodi al-Fayed.

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Diana tormented so much that she wanted to kill herself, Diana
revealing that her husband want to kill her months before, a
homosexual affair between her husband and a servant covered up by this
fake romance with Cammilla.

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> Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
> 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
> WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
>
>
> Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal
>
> John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
> Sunday November 9, 2003
> The Observer
>
> Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour of
> India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a sexual
> incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new heights.
>
> Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid details
> of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
> injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has faced.
> Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
> newspapers.
>
> (rest cut)
>
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Top cop set to question Charles
22/01/2004 19:06 - (SA)

London - London's police commissioner said on Thursday his
investigation of Princess Diana's death could include questioning
Prince Charles.

Metropolitan police commissioner Sir John Stevens, asked in a BBC
television interview if his evidence-gathering would involve
questioning the royal family, replied, "If that's necessary, we'll do
that."

Asked if that could include Prince Charles, he said: "Absolutely."

Inquests were opened on January 6 into the deaths of Diana and Dodi
Fayed, who died with her on August 31 1997 in a Paris car crash.

The inquests followed lengthy police investigations in France and a
French judge's conclusion that the crash was an accident caused by the
driver's drunkennesss and speeding.

Some of Diana's admirers refuse to believe the French verdict.

Claimed Charles was plotting to kill her

Royal coroner Michael Burgess asked Stevens to look into theories that
the princess was the victim of a conspiracy, variously attributed to
the royal family and intelligence agencies.

The Daily Mirror newspaper last month published a letter apparently
written by Diana to her butler, in which she claimed her ex-husband,
Prince Charles, was plotting to kill her in a car accident.
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The Beast and the Antichrist.

DANIEL 7:23
"He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom
that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other
kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and
crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this
kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the
earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

Humm!!
Daniel describes this last kingdom on earth before Christ's reign as a
beast because it devours the whole earth, trampling it down and
crushing it and the Antichrist king comes in control of this
beast/kingdom after he subdues three kings of the original ten kings.

REVELATION 13:1
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven
heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous
name.

Humm!!
Revelation also shows this last beast/kingdom as it first starts off
and that is a kingdom coming out of the sea(of people) which consists
of ten kings, ten crowns(so all ten kings are still in control of this
kingdom at this point) but the above verse also adds a new element in
describing this kingdom and that is the seven heads with blasphemous
names.

REVELATION 12:3-4 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous
red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his
heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung
them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was
about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it
was born.

Humm!!
Just like Daniel this beast/kingdom changes from 10 horns/kings in
control to only 7 crowns( 7 kings in control) but also notice that
this beast/kingdom has taken the form of a dragon. This can only mean
that the beast is now under Satan's influence through the king who
subdued 3 kings as the beast has taken the form of a dragon and Satan
is the true dragon(rev.20:2) who this beast reflects.

DANIEL 7:7-8 After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there
before me was a fourth beast, terrifying and frightening and very
powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims
and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all
the former beasts, and it had ten horns. While I was thinking about
the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came
up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it.
This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke
boastfully.

Humm!!
Notice how when the Beast and the Antichrist become one this
horn(king) sees(directs) and also speaks for the Beast when he is in
control.

REVELATION 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth
king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Humm!!
This Antichrist king is king over the seven kings that control this
beast/kingdom.

REVELATION 17:9-14 (NRS VERSION) "This calls for a mind that has
wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is
seated; also, they are seven kings, of whom five have fallen, one is
living, and the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must
remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it
is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.
And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received
a kingdom, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour,
together with the beast. These are united in yielding their power and
authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb
will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and
those with him are called and chosen and faithful."

Humm!!
We know that the horns are kings, the beast is the last kingdom but it
was also mentioned earlier about the seven heads with blasphemous
names and the above verse explains them as mountains. When Daniel
interpreted King Nebuchadnezzar dream of a statue that represented the
different kingdoms that would come up after his, the head and also a
mountain were used to illustrate different types of kingdoms(see
Daniel 2:35-44) that would rule the earth so these 7 heads are more
than likely just 7 different types of kingdoms.

What probably makes these heads blasphemous is that the rulers of
these kingdoms over the earth want to be worshipped as God showing the
nature of Satan himself in that kingdom. Daniel seems to imply that
King Nebuchadnezzar was the first of these heads and true enough King
Nebuchadnezzar had to be humbled by God to show him that he was just
only a man. By the time John had his vision, five of the 7 different
types of kingdoms had already fallen and he was living in the time of
the sixth head, the Roman empire 'the one which is living' and true
enough to the nature of Satan the Ceasers claimed to be God's.

The 7th head which is mentioned as 'the one that has not yet come and
must remain for a little while' seems to me to be the rule of the
Roman catholic church by the popes which extended even over kings at
the height of those popes power and furthermore the rule of those
popes over secular government did indeed last only a little while.
These popes claimed to be infallible and their words were, according
to them, the will of God and was it any wonder that when the
Protestants broke away from the Roman Catholic church they labeled
that pope as the Antichrist because of all the false teachings on God
introduced by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church which were
contrary to the Bible.

This Beast that comes has elements of all of those 7 types of world
government that have preceding it and is a mixture of those world
government so in itself it is an eight but comes from the seven
different types of world governments that preceded it. We know also
that when this king is in control of the beast he will place himself
in God's soon to be built temple in Jerusalem and claim also to be God
and this will be the true Antichrist.

REVELATION 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out
of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

Humm!!
Since John was alive during the Roman empire when he had this vision
than this beast that would come up out of the abyss(a power structure
that would re-emerge) would have to have been before the Roman
government as he says, "once was and now is not and will come".

DANIEL 2:42-44 AS THE TOES WERE PARTLY IRON AND PARTLY CLAY SO THIS
KINGDOM WILL BE PARTLY STRONG AND PARTLY BRITTLE. AND JUST AS YOU SAW
THE IRON MIXED WITH BAKED CLAY, SO THE PEOPLE WILL BE A MIXTURE AND
WILL NOT REMAIN UNITED ANYMORE THAN IRON MIXES WITH CLAY. IN THE TIME
OF THOSE KINGS, THE GOD OF HEAVEN WILL SET UP A KINGDOM THAT WILL
NEVER BE DESTROYED, NOR WILL IT BE LEFT TO ANOTHER PEOPLE. IT WILL
CRUSH ALL THOSE KINGDOMS AND BRING THEM TO AN END, BUT IT WILL ITSELF
ENDURE FOREVER.

Humm!!
This statue of these different types of kingdoms that were to come
were described by what was abundant in them. The head of gold
represented Babylon, the breast and arms of silver represented
Medo-Persia(e.g. taxes were paid in silver), the thighs of bronze
represented Greece(e.g. bronze armored soldiers), legs of iron
represented Rome and the last kingdom of man before Jesus' rules is
mixture of iron and clay. If we look at what is abundant in our
society today and what best descibes our modern day cities then the
term "concrete jungles" should pop straight into your mind. The point
being if you had to describe what you saw in those days then the best
discription of what concrete is, is a mixture of iron and clay.

This verse also describes the people in that kingdom in that it is a
mixture of 10 different nationalities(ten toes) but under one
political system which will not last.

DANIEL 8:21-25 (King James version)
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is
between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas
four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are
come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark
sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by
his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper,
and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And
through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy
many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he
shall be broken without hand.

Humm!!
It seems that this type of power structure that will re-emerge will
come from the Greeks as it is 'in the latter part of their(Greek)
kingdom that the transgressors come to a full' i.e. that of democracy.
Democracy is the political power structure(the beast) that we
inherited from the Greek empire which was indeed before the Roman
empire which democratic nations have embraced as their own and this
beast has been emerging with a vengeance so much so that there seems
to be a social stigma attached to a nation if a nation is not one.
People were once ruled by kings and queens and such and now it's
'democracy' that is being embraced throughout the world.

This beast is a combination of ten democratic countries coming
together eventually having a 'King of Democracy' as it's head and this
will be the Antichrist, the king of fierce countenance. Notice also
that the nature of this beast is a mixture of different types of
governments e.g. one of democracy(of Greek government) to that of a
republic(Roman government) in that this antichrist Caesar(with the
backing of the seven who now rule) is in charge and also we know that
this antichrist wants the same power as the popes once had over
matters of faith.

Also the first verses is talking about the kings of Greece of our now
past history but look at where this future king(Antichrist) of the end
times seems to have his ancestry from, and that is from the kings of
Greece. This king is not powerful because he is a king but because of
the support of the powerful.

At the time that wickedness/transgressions have reached their full
measure on earth a king will arise. Notice that this king(through
peace he shall destroy many) will be a peacemaker at first so that any
known tyrant can more than likely be ruled out as the Antichrist as
the major world's government wouldn't put themselves knowingly under
the control of a known tyrant.

We know that this king(in Satan's control) is from the end times for
two reasons in that 'the transgressors are come to the full' i.e.
those that defy God have reached their final number and two that this
king stands against the Archangel Michael(the prince of princes-angels
*Dan 10:13) which we know(well most of us anyway :) happens in the
last 3.5 years of the end time 7 years tribulation before Christ's
reign.

Another clue from the above verse that I feel is important to the
identity of the Antichrist is that through his policy, craft prospers.
What 'craft' that 'prospers' is the big question and if where talking
about here and now my best guess is freemasonry(also called the Craft)
due to the fact that these secret occult societies are so popular
throughout the world and their craft/policies of assisting each other
also include helping it's members to powerful positions in the
governments of the world for their own mutual gain (by the way the
symbol for the ladies fellowship of the freemasons is the upside down
pentagram which is the sign for witchcraft). With all these little
cogs turning together in the governments of the world today is it
really that hard to believe that at some time in the future through
this machinery and other means the Antichrist will not be in full
control of all the world ?

REVELATION 13:3-4 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a
fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was
astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he
had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast
and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

Humm!!
Can there really be any doubt that this head that had a fatal wound
that healed and the whole world is changing to follow is not the
political system of democracy which found it's birth from the Greek
empire?

REVELATION 13:2a The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet
like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion.

Humm!!
In the above verse were given another perspective of the beast and
what main countries put it together by the animal parts mentioned in
the verse but notice that it has a mouth like that of a lion. As the
above verse is talking about end time events and dealing with what I
feel to be the democratic Euro countries I tend to lean toward the
voice for the Beast coming from Great Britain. Since Great Britain has
a real voice in the European union(which includes the Euro countries)
and the lion is the national emblem of Great Britain then I feel that
the voice of this forming Beast will emerge from here in other words
this is the place of the Antichrist.

DANIEL 9:26b-27 (K.J. bible)
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city
and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto
the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm
the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he
shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until
the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate.

Humm!!
At the time of the confirmation of the covenant for one week(of years
i.e. 7 years) the Antichrist( the prince that shall come) is only a
prince and not a king and when he breaks that covenant with Israel,
stopping the worship in the future built Jewish temple half way into
the 7 years by stopping the sacrifices and offerings, then their can
be no doubt as to his true identity-'The Antichrist'.

One more important clue that shouldn't be overlooked since we seem to
be dealing with kings and princes is that if the Antichrist comes from
Great Britain(the voice of the beast comes from the lion's mouth) then
it seems that it will be from the royal family and weren't the kings
of Great Britain also known as lions in our past history.

DANIEL 11:36
"The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself
above Every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of
gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for
what has been determined must take place.

Humm!!
Throughout the ages people have tried to figure out who the Antichrist
could be and obviously they have been wrong as the world is still
turning around as always albeit obviously under more strain from the
human population on it. The thing is that as mad as all those who have
been labeled as the Antichrist have been it hasn't been in their power
to completely destroy the earth as it is in our days with nuclear
weapons. A major exchange of nuclear weapons would bring death to the
world so it really is in our future that the wrath predicted in the
bible can now come true and as such the end times could be just around
the corner or thousands of years into the future. In our time one man
seems to fit the clues given for this Antichrist so lets look at how
he fits so many of the clues given of this future Antichrist and let
time prove this guess right or wrong.

One Possible candidate for the future Antichrist, believe it or not!

Prince Charles as world's saviour
Ilha do Bananal, Brazil
March 8 2002
Prince Charles has agreed to allow a four-metre high bronze statue to
be erected in the middle of Brazil's Amazon rainforest depicting him
as "saviour" of the world in a loincloth with arms outstretched and
suspended by giant wings.The statue is a tribute from the people of
Tocantins State, the remote Amazon region. It was the region's
affinity with Prince Charles' eco-friendly campaigning that inspired
local sculptor Mauricio Bentes.

The statue showed him hovering over a sea of humanity, casting a
benign look downwards with his arms in open embrace."It is Prince
Charles saving the world," said Tocantins' governor,The prince said he
was "amazed" and "deeply touched".
- AFP, Telegraph

2 THESSALONIANS 2:4
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called
God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple,
proclaiming himself to be God.

Humm!!
ASPIRATIONS:
Religious: On a 26-5-1996 Sunday times article P.Charles indicated
that he would like to see himself as the figurehead for all faiths
which the popes from past history have done also and because of this
desire to be acknowledged as God's supreme voice on earth they have
been branded as the Antichrist. Since he has shown that he also has
this desire to be a figurehead for all faiths then there is only a
very small step from going from a figurehead to wanting to be claimed
as God's Messiah which the above bible verse says the Antichrist will
do. When this man becomes king he also becomes head of the Anglican
Church of England and would like to be the figurehead of all
religions.
This church was set up by a break with the Roman papacy. The
establishment of an independent Anglican Church of England came during
the reign of Henry VIII (1509-47). When Pope Clement VII refused to
approve the annulment of Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon, the
English Parliament, at Henry's insistence, passed a series of acts
that separated the English church from the Roman hierarchy and in 1534
made the English monarch the head of the English church (as it still
is today).

Whether it is a coincident or not another deviation from bible truth
seems to be occuring in that it seems practising homsexual acts is no
longer a sin in that church and such a bishop has been ordained in
that church. Note also that around this same time the Queen was
announcing Gay weddings in England, Prince Charles was caught up in an
alleged sex scandal with a male servant. In reference to the
Antichrist it is interesting to note that in Dan 11-37 it says that,"
Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of
women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all."

Political: The beast hasn't fully formed (the ten democratic -Euro?-
nations haven't come together fully yet) but this future suspect
Antichrist who may become the leader of the beast looks
non-threatening, has been in the media light all his life(is a popular
world figure and would like to be thought of as the people's prince,
given a heart when he married his wife who was known as the people' s
princess), is a president over 200 organizations, member of the House
of Lords, member of The Order Of The Garter which is the probable head
of many masons (a lot of connected powerful and wealthy people and I
feel that this is the craft that this king with an ancestry from
Greece causes to prosper-the craft of freemason which has spread
throughout the world due to the advancement of the British Empire),
has once already applied for the throne of the European Union in 1992
but was turned down and is also a peacemaker in his own capacity. With
all the right connection and the popularity of the masses as far as I
can see it, all this future king of democracy needs now is just the
right opportunity.

ANCESTRY: Through his mother he can trace his ancestry to King
David(same royal blood line that Jesus came from so that he could lay
claim to the title of 'Messiah' even though Christians know he isn't
and by so doing his true identity would be revealed and that is 'the
Antichrist of the end times') and through his father(who was born in
Greece and was a prince of Greece) to the kings of Greece(birthplace
of this beast of democracy which has re-emerged and which many
countries of the world have adopted and is the ancestry of this coming
end time king of the world). Our western world is run under a Greek
form of government(democracy) which will in the future be controlled
by the Antichrist who will be a king, with an ancestry to the Greek
kings, and it certainly is possible through this man.Should note also
that there are fabricated claims that Jesus and Mary had a child and
through this child the Prince is suppose to be related to also. A
supposable messiah to the Jews, Christians, Muslims and all religions.

In the same year he was born, Israel became a nation after the English
withdrew from there. In the time of Jesus the Jews were waiting for a
messiah that would bring them peace and free them so that they could
set up a Jewish kingdom on earth and didn't England do that by
withdrawing from there and giving the Jewish people their homeland
back but also I expect he will have a lot to do with the final handing
over of Jerusalem to the nations securing peace for Israel which will
give him another claim to the title of 'Messiah' because he brought
peace to Israel.

*A reason why Jesus was not consider to be the Messiah by the Jews was
that he didn't bring peace to their kingdom but before he could become
the Messiah of God's kingdom on earth, man had to be redeemed back to
God through Jesus' death on the cross for man sins otherwise there
would be no point in setting up God's kingdom on earth for no man
except Jesus could be a part of it. Another major stepping stone
before the end times could happen was also that God said that he would
bring his scattered people back home and that indeed has happened and
is happening. *

OTHER INTERESTING FACTS:

BRITISH-ISRAELISM has been and still is the belief that the
indestructible Throne of David was passed onto the British Empire
through the ten tribes of Israel around the time when they were taken
into captivity by the king of Assyria(2 Kings 18:11). These tribes are
said to have settled around England and when Jesus Christ returns they
claim that he will simply occupy the throne which the British
kings/queens now hold, and have been holding for centuries, for him
until he comes, until the millennium commences.

British-Israelists suggest that about 580B.C.E., the Throne of David
was transferred from Israel to Ireland. The daughters of King
Zedekiah, escaping the Babylonian captivity of Judah, were taken to
Egypt by Jeremiah and his scribe Baruch (Jeremiah 43:4-7). It is
suggested that they made their way for Spain, and from there to
Ireland. It is said that one of the daughters, Tamar Tephi, married
the Irish King Eochaidh (who also was allegedly Judean). Allegedly,
Tamar Tephi took with her from Palestine 'Jacob's Pillar', identified
today with the coronation stone in Westminster Abbey and many kings in
the history of Ireland, Scotland, and England have been coronated
sitting over this stone - including the present queen. The stone rests
today in Westminster Abbey in London, and the coronation chair is
built over and around it. A sign beside it labels it "Jacob's
pillar-stone" .The current British monarchs, who are said to be the
successors of Tamar Tephi and Eochaidh, are therefore considered the
Kings and Queens of Israel and further proof to their claim is the
Lion of the Irish and Scottish Kings is the Standard of the Tribe of
Judah!

Now here are some interesting facts in Deuteronomy 33:22(1890 Darby
bible) Dan is also called a young lion but also in Genesis 49:17 (1890
Darby bible) Dan is called a horned snake and a serpent. It is widely
held by some scholars that the Antichrist will come from Dan and is
one of the reasons why Dan has been replaced with Manasseh in
Revelation 7:4-5 as one of the tribes of Israel(like Judas the apostle
who was replaced by Paul ). Many writers suggest that even before the
Captivity of Israel, by about 1500B.C.E., there was interaction
between the Tribe of Dan and Ireland. The Tribe of Dan was a seafaring
tribe (Judges 5:17), and it is suggested that they traded with and
moved to Greece. Later, it is suggested that they moved to Ireland and
the British Isles. They are equated with the Tuatha Dé Danann
described in the Irish Book of Invasions (written ninth centuryC.E.).

One of the most common statements in British-Israel literature is
"ancient historical records confirm that…". These records are said to
show that Tribe of Dan came to Ireland after the Exodus.

Genesis 49:9-10(1890 Darby bible) states that the sceptre will not
depart from Judah, nor the lawgiver from between his feet, until
Shiloh come and Jesus has come and will come again. Any other claim to
David's throne is false because David's throne rests forever on Jesus
but this false teaching of the throne of David now being in England
has been around for over 200 years and this can only be through
Satan's doing. They also say that the Anglo-Saxon peoples of the earth
will be gathered together in the millennium, and with Jesus Christ on
the throne now held by England's House of Hanover, they will rule the
world. If anything the royal family has it's roots in the tribe of Dan
the lion and the horned snake(probably the little horn of Dan7:8) and
it is from here that we can expect the rise to power of the Antichrist
when it is his time.

DANIEL 12:4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll
until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase
knowledge."

Humm!!
How accurate is that above verse of our modern world and the Internet
today for before the coming of the end times. We certainly do go here
and there all over the world especially using the Internet to increase
knowledge and computer technology(this false prophet of our modern
world) seems to have a lot to do with controlling people in the future
as the people of the beast are marked with this 666 so that they can
buy and sell. It seems that this man has voluntarily implanted a
microchip in his right hand for security purposes leading the way in
the use of this technology , his name adds to 666 (revelation13:18)
which stands for a man's name and his first name 'Charles' actually
means 'of man'.

Also the transistor was invented in the same year as his birth
bringing about the birth of the false prophet/computer age and the
antichrist seems to have sons(Isaiah 14:21) and wants to be worshipped
and we know that this man also has sons. Note also that the common
language of the beast(the democratic countries) is English which finds
it's birthplace in England.

So is this all coincidental that he was born in England around the
time the computer age started to kick off and the Jews returned home
and became a nation, that through his father he is related to the
kings of Greece and through his mother to the Jewish people and that
he has shown that his ambitions already are to reach the very top of
both the religious and political spheres, is this truly the man that
will become the Antichrist only time will tell.

REV 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome them: and power was given to him over all kindred's, and
tongues, and nations.

One Possible candidate for the future Beast, believe it or not!

REVELATION 17: 12-13
THE TEN HORNS YOU SAW ARE TEN KINGS WHO HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A
KINGDOM, BUT WHO FOR ONE HOUR WILL RECEIVE AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG
WITH THE BEAST. THEY HAVE ONE PURPOSE AND WILL GIVE THEIR AUTHORITY TO
THE BEAST.

Humm!!
It seems to be going full steam ahead in Europe. There are 10 nations
in the Schengen agreement which allows those European citizens to move
freely across their borders; on the 1st of January 1999 the Euro
currency came into effect and now those European countries that are in
it have a common currency; there is a European Central Bank; a
European Commission; and a European Parliament. When the first lot of
European countries expressed interest in joining the euro they were
going to call it Euro X (Roman X=10!!!!!!) as their were 10 of them so
as to distinguish themselves from the others that would join latter
and even though there are 11 countries now, an interesting point to
note is that Belgium and Luxembourg already had a monetary union in
place so in effect it really was only 10 monetary policies coming
together. A major step for countries to becoming a kingdom is having a
common currency which Euroland now has.

Other interesting points to note are that Euro English(English spelt
like it sounds) is said to become the common language for these
countries and also the generation after the baby boomers is known as
Generation X (born in the generation of the 10 countries coming
together?). This beast grows bigger as other countries join into it
but these rulling ten countries will have the run of this european
union.

REV 17:8
THE BEAST, WHICH YOU SAW, ONCE WAS, NOW IS NOT, AND WILL COME UP OUT
OF THE ABYSS AND GO TO HIS DESTRUCTION. THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH
WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE
CREATION OF THE WORLD WILL BE ASTONISHED WHEN THEY SEE THE BEAST,
BECAUSE HE ONCE WAS, NOW IS NOT, AND YET WILL COME.

Humm!!
Governments without respect for the laws of God tend to become beasts
as they are capable of great brutality. If we look at the countries
that have come together to use a single currency(the euro)- Germany,
France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Finland, Ireland,
Netherlands, Belgium/Luxembourg we notice that the majority of these
governments are democracies and the birthplace of democracy was from
the Greek empire which was before the Roman Empire which seems to fit
John's prophecy. It seems that the nature of this beast will be one of
democracy when it finally comes together. By the way Greece joined the
euro core countries later.

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her,and through her to come in human form into this world in the man
called Jesus, but all God's people are special to God.

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>CATHOLICS BEWARE

Wow, where did you get that one from?

But of course.

Of course not. None of these is divine except Jesus. When ever I pray to Mary,
I ask her to pray to her son Jesus for me.

Where does the bible say that?

Romans 15
30I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit,
to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.

Ephesians 4
3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

Ephesians 6
18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and
requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the
saints.

Revelation 5
8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders
fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden
bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

You blew that one real bad, martus.

"Have to?" Gosh, I never heard of that one before.

duke-

Thank God for the almost 99% of
priests that are good priests.

QUEEN Elizabeth warned the late Princess Diana's butler, Paul Burrell,
to be careful because "there are powers in this country which we have
no knowledge about" he claims in the first published excerpts of his
story.

>Seems to be a direct reference to freemasions and other
secrete societies<

The warning to "be vigilant" came during the controversial three-hour
meeting Mr Burrell had with the Queen, which led to all charges of
theft against him being dropped last week.

It is the most significant extract in Burrell's story, being published
after a reported payment of $900,000 in the tabloid Daily Mirror,
after a bidding war.

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>
> What we need is NOT a new President; we need a 2nd Coming.
>
> jw
>

Aren't you a bit old for that?

Former Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, (who later became a protestant
minister) said that about 68% of the catholic priesthood are homosexuals.
Practicing homosexuals will not go to heaven; homosexuality is a sin in the
Old and New Testaments.

CELIBACY'S ROOTS AND FRUITS
>
>One must understand that mandatory celibacy is not taught in the Bible, nor
>was it practiced by the apostles. This teaching developed as an integral
>part of the evolving papal system and gradually became essential to it. The
>concern was not morality, for celibacy proved to be a veritable cornucopia
>of evil. In fact, the rule of celibacy was not the prohibition of sex but
of
>marriage. Pope Alexander II (1061-73), for example, refused to discipline a
>priest who had committed adultery with his father's second wife because he
>hadn't committed the sin of matrimony. That was the great evil which had to
>be eliminated for the priesthood to be totally devoted to the Church.
>
>All down through history not only priests and prelates but popes as well
had
>their mistresses and visited prostitutes. Many were homosexuals. No member
>of the clergy was ever excommunicated for having sex, but thousands have
>been put out of the priesthood for the scandal of getting married. Why then
>the strict insistence upon celibacy, even to the present day, if it really
>doesn't mean abstinence from sex? It is because the rule of celibacy has a
>very practical and lucrative result for the Church: It leaves priests and
>especially bishops and popes without families to whom to bequeath property
>and thereby impoverish the Church. The clergy must have no heirs.
>
>Pope Gregory VII, bemoaning the difficulty in stamping out marriage among
>priests, declared: "The Church cannot escape from the clutches of the laity
>unless priests first escape from the clutches of their wives." Here is
>another vital reason for celibacy: to create a priesthood without the
>encumbrance (and loving loyalties) of wives and children. Thus fornication
>and adultery, though forbidden in theory, were preferable to a marriage
>relationship. Nineteenth-century historian R.W. Thompson explains:
>
>"It was considered absolutely necessary to the perfect working of the papal
>system that there should organize a compact body of ecclesiastics,
destitute
>of all those generous sympathies which grow alone out of the family
>relation, that they might be the better fitted to do the work of the
popes."
>(R.W. Thompson, The Papacy and the Civil Power, New York, 1876, p. 443).
>
>Though married men in those early days were allowed to enter the
priesthood,
>they were required to live celibate lives. Pope Leo I (440-61) decreed that
>married clergy were to treat their wives "as sisters." Few if any Catholics
>realize that as late as the reign of Pope Gregory VII (1073-85) it was
>accepted for priests to be married and supposedly live in celibacy with
>their wives.
>
>Such a requirement was both unnatural and unrealistic. Who could keep such
a
>rule? All over Italy the clerics openly had largely families and no
>discipline was enacted against them. After all, many of the popes had large
>families as well and sometime made no secret of it. De Rosa comments:
>
>"This theological confusion in an age of depravity led the clergy, in
>fifth-century Rome in particular, to become a byword for everything that
was
>gross and perverted. ... When Pope Sixtus III (432-40) was put on trial for
>seducing a nun, he ably defended himself by quoting Christ's words, `Let
him
>who is without fault among you throw the first stone.'
>
>"...roving monks were proving to be a social menace ... there ... were long
>periods when many monasteries were nothing but houses of ill repute. ...
The
>second Council of Tours in the year 567 ... publicly admitted there was
>hardly a cleric anywhere without his wife or mistress" (De Rosa, op. cit.,
>pp. 402-03).
>
>A SYSTEM MADE FOR PROSTITUTION
>
>For centuries the priesthood was largely hereditary. Most priests were the
>sons of other priests and bishops. More than one pope was the illegitimate
>son of a previous and supposedly celibate pope. For example, Pope Sylverius
>(536-7) was fathered by Pope Hormisdas (514-23), and John XI (931-5) by
>Sergius III (904-11) of his favorite mistress, Marozia, to whom we referred
>earlier.
>
>Among the other bastards who ruled the Church were Popes Boniface I
(41822),
>Gelasius (492-6), Agapitus (535-6), and Theodore (642-9). There were more.
>Adrian IV (1154-9) was the son of a priest. No wonder Pope Pius II
(1458-64)
>said Rome was "the only city run by bastards." Pius himself admitted to
>fathering at least two illegitimate children, by different women, one of
>them married at the time. The rule of celibacy literal created prostitutes,
>making Rome the "Mother of Harlots," as the apostle John foresaw.
>
>In his fiery sermons, Savonarola of Florence, Italy (soon to be martyred),
>called Rome "a harlot ready to sell her favors for coin" (Will Durant, The
>Story of Civilization, Simon and Schuster, 1950, vol. VI, p. 18) and accuse
d
>the priests of bringing "spiritual death upon all ... their piety consists
>in spending their nights with harlots." He cried, "one thousand, ten
>thousand, fourteen thousand harlots are few for Rome, for there both men
and
>women are made harlots" (Ibid., vol. V, pp. 155-56).
>
>Pope Alexander VI threatened to "lay an interdict upon Florence" if it did
>not silence Savonarola. The city rulers obeyed for fear that as a result of
>the interdict all "the Florentine merchants in Rome would be thrown into
>jail" (Ibid., pp. 157-58). The pope wanted Savonarola brought to Rome for
>trial as a heretic, but the Signory of Florence wanted to execute him
>themselves. After signing confessions that had been wrung out of them by
the
>cruelest of torture, Savonarola and two comrade friars were hanged and
>burned to ashes (Ibid., pp. 159-60). Yet this man who preached against the
>Church leaders' immorality and was slain by Roman Catholics is now
>celebrated by the Vatican as "a giant of our faith, martyred May 23, 1498"
>(Inside the Vatican, April 1994, p. 55 under the heading "23 May"). What
>revision of history!
>
>Visiting Germany in the eighth century, St. Boniface found that none of the
>clergy honored their vows of celibacy. He wrote to Pope Zachary (741-52):
>"Young men who spent their youth in rape and adultery were rising in the
>ranks of the clergy. They were spending their nights in bed with four or
>five women, then getting up in the morning ... to celebrate mass." Bishop
>Rathurio complained that if he excommunicated unchaste priests "there would
>be none left to administer the sacraments, except boys. If he excluded
>bastards, as canon law demanded, not even boys [would be left]" (De Rosa,
>op. cit., pp. 404-05).
>
>Even idealists became unprincipled rogues because the priesthood was one of
>the surest and fastest ways to wealth and power and afforded unique
>opportunities for the most profligate pleasure. Today's pope, John Paul II,
>in his recent encyclical, Veritatis Splendor (Splendor of Truth), soundly
>condemns promiscuity. One might respect such a treatise if he would admit
>that his predecessors in the papacy have been some of the worst offenders;
>that the clergy, because they can't marry, have been more prone to illicit
>relationships that the laity; and that promiscuity is still widespread
among
>the Roman Catholic clergy. Otherwise Splendor of Truth has a hollow sound.
>
>VICARS OF CHRIST?
>
>John XII (955-64), to whom we referred earlier, became pope at age 16, ran
a
>harem in the Lateran Palace, and lived a life of evil that passes
>imagination, even toasting the devil in front of St. Peter's altar.
>Spiritual leader of the Church for neither years. John XII slept with his
>mother and any other woman he could get his hands on. Women were warned not
>to venture into St. John Lateran church. Of this man Luitprand wrote in his
>journal:
>
>"Pope John is the enemy of all things. ... the palace of the Lateran, that
>once sheltered saints and is now a harlot's brothel, will never forget his
>union with his father's wench, the sister of the other concubine Stephania.
>...
>
>"Women ... fear to come and pray at the thresholds of the holy apostles,
for
>they had heard how John a little time ago took women pilgrims by force to
>his bed, wives, widows, and virgins alike" (Harry J. Margoulias, Byzantine
>Christianity: Emperor, Church and the West, Rand McNally, 1982, pp.
103-04).
>
>St. Peter Damian's eleventh-century record of the incredible evils caused
by
>the pledge of celibacy made such scandalous reading that the pope with whom
>he shared it preserved it in the papal archives. In fact, it "proves that
>profligacy among the clergy of the time was universal. After six centuries
>of strenuous efforts to impose celibacy, the clergy were a menace to the
>wives and young women of the parishes to which they were sent" (De Rosa,
op.
>cit., p. 405).
>
>Pope Innocent IV (1243-54), forced to leave Rome by Emperor Frederick II,
>took refuge along with his Curia in Lyons, France. Upon the pope's return
to
>Rome after Frederick's death, Cardinal Hugo wrote a letter thanking the
>people of Lyons. He reminded them that they also owed a debt to the pope
and
>his court. His remarks provide a glimpse of the shameless depravity of the
>Papal court:
>
>"During our residence in your city, we [the Roman Curia] have been of very
>charitable assistance to you. On our arrival, we found scarcely three or
>four purchasable sisters of love, whilst at our departure we leave you, so
>to say, one brothel that extends from the western to the eastern gate"
>(Ibid., p. 119).
>
>THE ENFORCEMENT OF CELIBACY
>
>Celibacy was hardly known in England before it was at last enforced by
>Innocent IV in about 1250. Most priests there were married, a practice long
>accepted by the Church. But Rome determined that it had to end all familial
>devotion for priests and nuns; their loyalty must now be given solely to
>Mother Church and the Pope. R.W. Thompson explains why celibacy was forced
>upon England:
>
>"The celibacy of the Roman clergy has been, since its introduction,
>considered one of the most effective means of establishing the supremacy of
>the popes; and for this purpose the attempt was made to introduce it into
>England, after the Norman conquest" (Thompson, op. cit., p. 443).
>
>Pope Honorius II (1124-30) sent Cardinal John of Crema to England to see
>that his decree against marriage for clergy was carried out. The cardinal
>gathered the senior clerics and chided them vigorously for their evil ways,
>declaring that "'it was a horrible crime to rise from the side of a harlot,
>and then to handle the consecrated body of Christ." The clergy whom he had
>lectured, however, surprised him in his room later that night in bed with
>one of the local prostitutes (Ibid., p. 444; see also de Rosa, op. cit., p.
>412). At least he wasn't married.
>
>In the thirteenth-century St. Bonaventure, cardinal and general of the
>Franciscans, had said that Rome was just like the harlot of the Apocalypse,
>exactly as John foresaw as Luther would see to his sorrow three centuries
>later. Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303) did not hesitate to have both a
mother
>and daughter as his mistresses together. It was Luther's visit to Rome
which
>completed his growing disillusionment with his Church.
>
>By the fourteenth century the [Catholic] Church had lost all credibility as
>an example of Christlike living. Cynicism was rampant. It was no secret
that
>Pope John XXII (1316-34) has as son who was raised to cardinal. Like
Luther,
>England's John Colet had been shocked at the brazen ungodliness of the pope
>and cardinals when he visited Rome. From his pulpit in London's St. Paul
>Cathedral, of which he was the dean, Colet thundered his disapproval
>
>Oh, the abominable impiety of these miserable priests, of whom this age
>contains a great multitude, who fear not to rush from the bosom of some
foul
>harlot into the temple of the Church, to the altars of Christ, to the
>mysteries of God (Frederic Seebohm, The Oxford Reformers, London, 1869, pp.
>70-71,74-76,110).
>
>LIFE IN THE PAPAL COURT
>
>For years it has been a common saying that "Rome has more prostitutes than
>any city in the world because it has the most celibates." Pope Sixtus IV
>(1471-84) turned that fact into a source of considerable profit by charging
>Rome's numerous brothels with a Church tax. Then he gathered more wealth
>still by charging a tax on mistresses kept by priests. Will Durant reports:
>
>"There were 6800 registered prostitutes in Rome in 1949, not counting
>clandestine practitioners, in a population of some 90,000. In Venice, the
>census of 1509 reported 11,654 prostitutes in a population of some 300,000.
>An enterprising printer published a 'Catalogue of all the principal and
most
>honored courtesans of Venice, their names, addresses, and fees'" (Durant,
>op. cit., vol. V, p. 576).
>
>Upon becoming Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), Rodrigo Borgia, who had
>committed his first murder at age 12, cried triumphantly, "I am Pope,
>Pontiff, Vicar of Christ!" Gibbon calls him "the Tiberius of Christian
>Rome." Though he scarcely pretended to be a Christian, he was, like all the
>popes, deeply devoted to Mary. Of him a leading Florentine scholar wrote:
>
>"His manner of living was dissolute. He knew neither shame nor sincerity,
>neither faith nor religion. Moreover, he was possessed by an insatiable
>greed, and overwhelming ambition and a burning passion for the advancement
>of his many children who, in order to carry out his iniquitous decrees, did
>not scruple to employ the most heinous means" (Francesco Guicciardini,
>Storia, I, 20, as cited in E.R. Chamberlin, The Bad Popes, Barnes and
Noble,
>1969, p. 173).
>
>Like his predecessor, Pope Innocent VIII (1484-92), Borgia as a fond father
>admitted who his children were, baptized them personally, gave them the
best
>education, and proudly officiated at their weddings in the Vatican, which
>were attended by Rome's leading families. Alexander VI had ten known
>illegitimate children, four of them (including the notorious Cesare and
>Lucrezia) by Vannozza Catanei, his favorite mistress. When Vannozza faded,
>Borgia, than 58, took newly-married, 15-year-old Giulia Farnese. She
>obtained a cardinal's red hat for her brother (thereafter known as "the
>Petticoat Cardinal"), who later became Pope Paul III (1534-49) and convened
>the Council of Trent to counter the Reformation.
>
>THE RECORD IN ART AND ARCHITECTURE
>
>Papal promiscuity has been immortalized in the very structures and statuary
>of the Vatican, St. Peter's, and other of Rome's most famous churches and
>basilicas. The most magnificent Sistine Chapel, for example, was built by
>and named after Sixtus IV, who taxed others for keeping a mistress but paid
>none for his own. Here the cardinals meet to elect the next pope.
Sixty-five
>feet above them the huge ceiling bears the incredible artwork of
>Michelangelo.
>
>Admiring visitors are not aware that this, the world's greatest work of
art,
>was commissioned by Julius II (1503-13), who bought the papacy with a
>fortune and didn't even pretend to be religious, much less a Christian. A
>notorious womanizer who sired a number of bastards, Julius was so eaten up
>with syphilis that he couldn't expose his foot to be kissed. The Sistine
>Chapel thus stands as one of Rome's many monuments to the fact that the
>church which owns and proudly displays it is, as John foresaw, the "Mother
>of Harlots."
>
>Known as "the most important church dedicated to Mary in Western
>Christendom," Santa Maria Maggiore is the fruit of the combined efforts of
a
>number of promiscuous popes. Sixtus III (432-40), another notorious
>womanizer, build the main structure. The "golden wood ceiling over the nave
>was commissioned by the Borgia Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503)" (Inside the
>Vatican, November 1993, pp. 55,57), who paid for it with gold from America
>received as gift from Spain's Ferdinand and Isabella, to whom he had given
>the new world. Borgia's unbelievable wickedness, including his devotion to
>torture, his mistresses, and his illegitimate children, have been mentioned
>briefly. He "launched the first censorship of printed books ... the Index,
>which [lasted] over four hundred years" (E.R. Chamberlin, The Bad Popes,
>Barnes and Noble, 1969, p. 198).
>
>Inside St. Peter's basilica, the burial monument of Pope Paul III (1534-49)
>is adorned with reclining female figures. One figure, representing Justice,
>was naked for 300 years until Pius IX had clothes painted on her. She was
>modeled after Paul III's sister, Guilis, a mistress of Alexander VI. Thus
is
>immortalized the promiscuity of "celibate" popes.
>
>TODAY'S UNBIBLICAL TOLERANCE
>
>The gross immorality among Roman Catholic clergy is not confined to the
past
>but continues on a grand scale to this day. Such wickedness was rare and a
>cause for excommunicating the offending party in the days of the apostles.
>The faithful were not even to associate with fornicators (1 Corinthians
>5:8,9) who claimed to be Christians, so the world would know that such
>conduct was condemned by the church and all disciples of Christ. Of a
>sexually profligate man at Corinth, Paul wrote to the church: "Therefore
put
>away from among your selves that wicked person" (verse 13).
>
>Yet popes, cardinals, bishops, and priests without number have been
habitual
>fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, and mass-murderers, ruthless and
>depraved villains who pursued their degenerate lifestyles immune from
>discipline. Far from being excommunicated, such popes remain proudly
>displayed on the list of past "vicars of Christ." today a priest who
engages
>in sexual misconduct is rarely expelled from the priesthood or
>excommunicated from the Church. Instead, he is reassigned elsewhere and
>perhaps given psychological counseling. Priests pronounced cured by such
>treatment centers (for example, Servants of the Paraclete in Jemez Springs,
>New Mexico) have been reassigned to parishes only to abuse more victims
>(E.g. Our Sunday Visitor, February 27, 1994, p. 5; National Catholic
>Reporter, January 7, 1994, p. 9).
>
>While Rome officially condemns fornication, thousands of its priests engage
>in sex outside of marriage. A national Catholic newspaper recently reported
>"Seven French women ... companions of priests who ... are forced to 'live
>clandestinely, for a lifetime, the love they shared with a priest' [and
who]
>represent thousands of women in similar relationships ... arrive at the
>Vatican August 20. [They] asked the pope to ... look into the reality faced
>by 'thousands of priests' companions who live in the shadows, often with
the
>approval of church superiors, and by the children who ... are raised by
>their mother alone or are abandoned" (National Catholic Reporter, September
>3, 1993).
>
>The fraud and hypocrisy persist. Ex-nun Patricia Nolan Savas, author of
Gus:
>A Nun's Story, writes:
>
>"During my ten years as Sister Augusta ... I witnessed situations that
>ranged from compromising to aberrant. ... In theory, we were forbidden by
>the Rule to ever touch another person, male or female. 'Particular
>friendships,' considered serious violations of the vow of chastity, were to
>be avoided at all costs. And the cost of imposed asexuality and corporeal
>denial was always high and often tragic.
>
>"With the exception of a few select eunuchs, many of the priests and nuns I
>knew eventually rejected that intolerable burden and either abandoned the
>religious life altogether or formed liaisons with their fellow clerics or
>with outsiders.
>
>"There were the valiant ones who continued in their sincere attempts to
>murder the flesh and often fell victim to serious psychogenic disorders.
>Some still remain seriously damaged in mind and body, sequestered in
>institutions referred to as `retreats' or other such euphemisms. A tragic
>number became alcoholics and quietly drank themselves to death.
>
>"A major cause of this appalling waste of lives? Celibacy--a virtuous state
>when freely entered into but a overwhelming millstone when imposed as dogma
>on the entire clergy, as it was by the Roman Catholic Church nine centuries
>ago" (Patricia Nolan Savas, "Misconduct by clergy is no surprise," USA
>Today, December 8, 1993, p. 17A).
>
>Early in 1994, "Terence German, 51 [former Jesuit priest], filed a $120
>million lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court against the Church, Pope
>John Paul II, and Cardinal John O'Connor." He accused them "of turning a
>blind eye to his repeated reports of other priests' sexual misconduct and
>misuse of church funds." German's formal complaint explains that--
>
>"he gave up all of his 'worldly goods' when he took his vows in 1964 in
>exchange for a promise that the church would care for him until his death.
>The underlying assumption was that he would `live a life guided by the
>established principles' of the Roman Catholic Church. ...
>
>"`The church--by acquiescing to pervasive sexual and financial
>misconduct--broke its part of the established principals. ... The Church
>wasn't enforcing its own rules, so [I wasn't] able to live according to the
>Church's rules ... with people stealing and in sexual alliances with small
>boys'" (Times, St. Petersburg, Florida, February 11, 1994, p. 3A).
>
>Today's "celibate" fornicators, pedophiles, and perverts are almost always
>quietly transferred. In their new parishes they continue to celebrate mass
>and to perform priestly functions. Should they commit the much more serious
>sin of marrying, however, they are forbidden ever to function as priests
>again.
>
>EXPOSED AT LAST
>
>Twentieth-century misconduct by the Roman Catholic clergy, covered up for
>decades, is now being exposed. Increasing numbers of victims are coming
>forward to sue the Church. An estimated billion dollars has been paid by
the
>Church so far in the United States in out-of-court settlements. The Santa
>Fe, New Mexico, Archdiocese is on the brink of bankruptcy due to nearly 50
>lawsuits against which it is now defending itself. "More than 45 priests
are
>believed to have [sexually] abused some 200 people over a 30-year period"
>(National Catholic Reporter, January 7, 1994, p. 9). Nor is Santa Fe the
>only area where the Church faces such lawsuits. In 1994, the Archdiocese of
>Chicago expects to pay out more than the $2.8 million dollars it has paid
>for settlements in 1993. The problem is widespread.
>
>The Franciscan Boy's seminary in Santa Barbara, California, has just been
>shut down because of the sexual involvement of the majority of its priests
>with students. Across the United States women who have brought paternity
>suits are being paid child support by the Church "in return for their
>agreement to maintain silence about the fatherhood" (Ibid., p. 3). In the
>Santa Fe Archdiocese cases, the 12 insurance companies which held liability
>coverage, including Lloyds of London, have refused to pay claims. They
argue
>that "they should not have to pay out because diocesan officials continue
to
>give parish assignment to priests with a history of sexual abuse" (Our
>Sunday Visitor, February 27, 1994, p. 3).
>
>Organizations such as ten-year-old "Good Tidings," which helps priests and
>women who are sexually involved, have sprung up around the world. Good
>Tidings, headquartered in Canadensis, Pennsylvania, has branches in Canada,
>Australia, and England. It is "developing ties with similar organizations
in
>other countries, hoping to create a federation that can present a united
>front to the Church of Rome, which has dismissed sexual liaisons between
>priests and women as merely an American problem." Many priests "develop
>patterns of repeated involvement with women." Some of the priests' lovers
>consider themselves married, "in heart if not legally," and some
>relationships amount to "common-law marriage. ..." But "when the
>responsibility of a child comes, the priest is gone" (National Catholic
>Reporter, Janaury 7, 1994, p. 5).
>
>BRAZEN HYPOCRISY
>
>The [Catholic] Church's insistence upon the unnatural and unworkable rule
of
>celibacy has led to a priesthood of hypocrites who profess one thing and
>live another. According to National Catholic Reporter, about "10 percent of
>priests report a sexual approach from a priest while they were in training.
>... Spiritual directors, novice masters, seminary professors often
introduce
>sexual contact in the context of their spiritual office" (Ibid., September
>17, 1993, p. 7).
>
>Bishops from western Canada visiting Rome in September 1993 asked the pope
>in a series of meetings to "grant an exception on cultural grounds and
allow
>married priests among the Inuit and Dene peoples of northern Canada." The
>pope was polite but unbending. Fifteen centuries of "infallibility" can't
be
>changed that easily (Ibid., October 1, 1993, p. 7).
>
>St. John's Abbey, Collegeville, Minnesota, was the scene during August 12
>and 13, 1993, of a groundbreaking conference on "Sexual Trauma and the
>Church " sponsored by two Benedictines, Abbot Timothy Kelly and Br.
Dietrich
>Reinhart, President of St. John's University. Protestants were involved as
>well. Dominated by the search for psychological rather that spiritual
>solutions, participants include psychologists and psychiatrists such as
>Jesuit Fr. James Gill, psychiatrist and editor of Human Development.
>
>Conferees noted that accurate numbers of sexual-abuse cases are not
>available because of the widespread suppression of such information by the
>Church. One canon lawyer, Fr. Thomas Doyle, coauthor of the 1985
>Doyle-Moulton-Peterson report on abuse in the clergy, estimated that in
1990
>about 3000 of the 50,000 priests in America were "currently involved
>sexually with minors." It is estimated that "four times as many priests
>involve themselves sexually with adults and twice the number of priests
>involve themselves with adult men as those involved with children" (Ibid.,
>September 17, 1993, pp. 6-7). The situation is out of hand, as it has been
>for centuries. Of his fellow clergymen, William Hogan wrote after leaving
>the priesthood in the early nineteenth century:
>
>"I am sorry to say, from my knowledge of them, since my infancy to the
>present moment, that there is not a more corrupt, licentious body of men in
>the world" (William Hogan, Esq., Popery As It Was and As It Is, Hartford,
>1854, p. 37).
>
>At Vatican II Paul VI used the dogma of papal infallibility to take out of
>the Council's hands critical issues such as celibacy and birth control,
upon
>which he pronounced his own opinions. He demanded that all priests renew
>their vow or celibacy on Holy Thursday in 1970. Rome can't possibly reverse
>itself on celibacy without admitting that its infallible popes and councils
>have been wrong on this point, out of touch with the Scriptures and Holy
>Spirit for centuries, while Protestants have been right all along.
>
>Rome's hypocrisy is monumental. She continues to lecture the rest of the
>world on high moral standards and to pose as the arbiter and paragon of
>virtue, while tens of thousands of her clergy violate the very morals they
>proclaim. Consider the 179 pages of Veritatis Splendor, produced by John
>Paul II over six years and published late in 1993. This weighty theological
>treatise condemns contraception, illicit sex, and homosexuality as
>"intrinsically evil." Conspicuous by its absence, however, is any admission
>that a high percentage of the Roman Catholic clergy practice all three.
>
>SAD PROOF OF FAILURE
>
>Catholic theologian Hans Jung echoes the belief of the majority of Roman
>Catholics when he calls John Paul II's entire pontificate too "hard line"
on
>sexual morality and suggests that such hardness, rather than preventing
>sexual misconduct, has actually contributed to it. Kung, who continues
under
>a cloud of Vatican disapproval, calls Veritatis Splendor (which church
>leaders hail as "a call to holiness"), "the testimony of his [John Paul
>II's] failure. Wojtyla's point of view, after having been voiced in
hundreds
>of speeches all over the world, has fallen on deaf ears. This is the
>crowning fiasco of his 15-year-old pontificate" (Inside the Vatican,
>November 1993, cover story, "After the Encyclical: Ratzinger," p. 4).
>
>In his 120-million-dollar lawsuit against the Church, former Jesuit priest
>Terence German, a Vatican troubleshooter from 1978 to 1981 at Rome's Jesuit
>headquarters, claims that "the pope turned a deaf ear to his complaints of
>sexual improprieties." And when the facts could no longer be denied, the
>pope tried to say that such things were only occurring in the United
States.
>"But that's hogwash," says German. "Its going on right in Rome, and he
knows
>it" (Times, op. cit.).
>
>Chicago's Joseph Cardinal Bernardin boasts that Veritatis Splendor
>"reaffirms the moral vision that has sustained the Catholic community since
>the time of Christ" (Dallas Morning News, October 1993). Can he really be
>that ignorant of both the history and current conditions of his Church?
>
>Rome is beyond question that city which is the "Mother of Harlots" of
>Revelation 17, having created them around the world and down through
history
>literally by the millions. No other city on earth even comes close to
>rivaling her in this regard.
>
>By Dave Hunt.
>
>
>
>

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And than we have the real Alberto Rivera a check forger, wife beater and
a fraud with a criminal record

------ "The most godly man I ever met" ---------- Jack T. Chick

(Edited, with commentary, by Dave Armstrong, from articles by Gary Metz)

Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and
anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a
total fraud by non-Catholic Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in
evangelical magazines:

1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.

2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.

{I have heard that the Christian Research Institute (CRI), founded by
the late Dr. Walter Martin, widely regarded as the foremost evangelical
counter-cult specialist, has also done an exposé of Rivera}

Some excerpts from the first article above:

. . . the Christian Reformed Church, Zondervan Publishers, and the Southern
Baptist Sunday School Board have banned it from their bookstores.
Jack Chick states that Christian bookstores are being infiltrated by
undercover Catholic propaganda teams who pressure the owner until he
'compromises with Rome and pulls Alberto out of the store.'

Is Alberto's story true? No! Our intensive investigation reveals his police
record, his investment schemes, his bad check-writing, his contradictory
testimony, his fabricated educational record, and his reported family abuse.
. . Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, has a history of legal
entanglements. He is currently involved in a court action in Southern
California, accused of fraud.

In 1965, a warrant for his arrest was issued in Hoboken, New Jersey, for
writing bad checks. He also left debts in excess of $3,000.

In 1969 two warrants were issued against him in DeLand and Ormond Beach,
Florida. The first was for the theft of a Bank-Americard. The criminal
investigation division of the Bank of America reports he charged over $2,000
on the credit card. The second warrant was for the 'unauthorized use of an
automobile.' Alberto abandoned the vehicle in Seattle, Washington. From
there he moved to Southern California.

Alberto's account of his conversion is contradictory. In 1964 while working
for the Christian Reformed Church, he said he was converted from Catholicism
in July of 1952. Now he maintains it was in 1967 . . . 3:00 in the
morning on March 20, 1967. He says he immediately defected from the
Catholic church. However, five months later, in August of 1967, he was
still promoting Catholicism and the ecumenical movement in a newspaper
interview in his hometown of Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.

Alberto commands great respect from many with his alleged numerous degrees
including an N.D., a D.D., a Th.D., a Ph.D., and a master's in psychology.
However, he is ambiguous when asked where he received these degrees. Alberto
attended a seminary in Costa Rica (the Seminario Biblio Latinamericano) with
a friend from Las Palmas, but he did not graduate. That friend, Rev.
Plutarco Bonilla (a respected Christian leader in Central America),
said that Alberto never finished high school in Las Palmas and that he
was in the seminary program for non-high school graduates. The school
in a letter said they were forced to expel Alberto for his 'continual lying
and defiance of seminary authority.' The known chronology of his life does
not allow time for him to have achieved the academic status he claims.
When Rev. Wishart [former associate of Alberto, and once a pastor of
the First Baptist Church of San Fernando] pressed Alberto concerning
his degrees, Alberto admitted receiving them from a diploma mill in
Colorado. This ended their relationship. Pastor Rasmussen (Faith Baptist
Church in Canoga Park, California) also asked Alberto to substantiate
some of his claims by submitting to a lie detector test. Alberto said he
would: three times appointments were made for him, three times he
failed to appear.

He met his first 'wife' in Costa Rica while working with the Methodist
church. Rev. Bonilla says that Alberto was living there with a woman in
the late 1950s but they weren't legally married: Alberto said God ordained
their marriage. Alberto later claimed in an employment form that he and
Carmen Lydia Torres were married on November 25, 1963. Their son Juan was
born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in September, 1964 . . . A supervisor at the
time, Rev. Edson Lewis, said that Alberto physically abused both Carmen
Lydia and Juan. Less than a year after his birth, in July, 1965, Juan
died in El Paso, Texas, where his parents had fled, after they wrote bad
checks in New Jersey.

[a new son, Alberto, was born in 1967 or 1968] It is difficult to
determine the whereabouts of the child Alberto today, but Rev.
Abrego [former associateand roommate] claims he was placed in a
welfare home in Tennessee . . .Alberto and Carmen Lydia had
still another son, Luis Marx, early in 1969. While they were
still in Florida, their hosts said Luis Marx was mistreated.
What happened to Luis Marx is unknown, but when Alberto left
Florida for Seattle with the car and credit card, they no longer
had the child with them. What happened to Carmen Lydia after
Seattle is also unknown, but Alberto remarried in 1977 to
Nury Frias, a woman from the Dominican Republic. Whether he
was ever legally married to and/or divorced from the other
woman is unknown. At any rate, it is extremely damaging to
Rivera's credibility to discover that he had two children
(Juan and Alberto) in America during the time he was
supposed to be a celibate priest in Europe!

What does Jack Chick think about this? . . . When he was finally reached by
phone at his home, he said that he had never met a more godly man than
Alberto, and that he knows Alberto's story is true because he 'prayed about
it.' Jack says he expects his own life to be taken by Jesuit assassins .
When we reached Alberto by phone, he also refused to meet with us
. . . He claims that any wrongdoings prior to his conversion in 1967
were done under the orders of the Catholic church, and any
wrongdoings since his conversion are fabrications by the conspirators.
As we have seen, Alberto's story is fraudulent, as was the story of John
Todd, another Jack Chick protégé, who said the witches are taking
over the world (see Issue #48 of Cornerstone). Alberto has skillfully
created a closed, paranoid defense system which makes it difficult to
corner him on specific issues. He can always dismiss any accusation
as part of the Jesuit plot. Alberto Rivera's fraudulent claims underscore a
sad fact: many Protestants have as distorted a view of Catholics as
whites earlier in the century had of blacks. The black man was
caricatured as having 'lotsa rhythm and little-a brains,' while the
Catholic is portrayed as an automaton who is in
unquestioning bondage to church authorities.

In a later issue of Cornerstone (Vol. 10, Issue no. 54), is an article,
"Cornerstone Responds to Chick":

Jack T. Chick has issued a three-page reply to Gary Metz's expose of Alberto
Rivera . . . In his letter of March 25, 1981, co-signed by Rivera, Chick
alleges that 'the systematic destruction of John Todd's ministry' is being
repeated by the Vatican to destroy Alberto. (Todd claimed to have been one
of the leaders of an international conspiracy of witches to set up
Jimmy Carter as the Antichrist; Chick promoted Todd's story in earlier
comic books.) Chick accuses Christianity Today and Cornerstone,
both of whom ran exposes on John Todd, of furthering the cause of
the 'antichrist in the Vatican.'

A typical example of Chick's defense of Alberto: the evidence for
Alberto's degrees disappeared because the Vatican 'erased Dr.
Rivera's name from all directories in schools, seminaries, and
colleges'; Rivera's former associates and acquaintances contradict
his story because they are Vatican spies; the women he was
involved with were from 'the Legion of Mary or Catholic Youth.'
So with the magic wand of Vatican conspiracy, Rivera is
exonerated from any evidence that can possibly be adduced against him.

We feel that if Jack Chick really has a burden for Catholics, he needs to
steer clear of fabrications and find a more reliable source of information.
Rivera's third Chick comic book, The Godfathers, contains the following
claims, presented seriously as solemn truth:

the Vatican plans to exterminate the Jews and set up the
seat of the papacy in the Temple of Jerusalem, where the pope
will reign as God, literally fulfilling the prophecies concerning the
"man of sin" in 2 Thess 2:3-4;
the Vatican financed the Moslem-Jewish wars in the 10th century;
the Jesuits assassinated Abraham Lincoln;
Communist Founders Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were
coached and directed by Jesuit agents;
the Jesuits also trained Trotsky, Lenin, and Josef Stalin;
Adolf Hitler was a pawn of the Catholics, while his book
Mein Kampf was really written by a Jesuit priest;
the Vatican was behind World War I and II, and the Russian
revolution of 1917;

the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis, and the Masons are all secretly
being directed by Jesuit agents;
all the other so-called international conspiracies (the Illuminati,
the Communists, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, the
Council on Foreign Relations, the Club of Rome, etc.) were
actually created by the Catholic Church as a smokescreen to
direct attention away from the Vatican.

Cornerstone magazine observes:

Rivera's claim to be a former priest, bishop, and intelligence agent for the
Roman Catholic hierarchy has been discussed in previous issues . . .
we found this claim to be a complete falsehood . . . I am amazed that
Jack Chick can have such a paranoiac view of history; the word
'Catholicaphobia' immediately forms itself in my mind. It was because
of such propaganda that two previous Chick comic books were
banned by the Canadian government last October. They refer to it
as being in the category of 'obscene literature.' Actually, if I did
believe there was a secret Jesuit conspiracy, I would say that Alberto
Rivera is still a part of it. His ludicrous accusations have
damaged the cause of legitimate Protestant/Catholic relations.

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Jim Carew sfo

Catholics spend most of our time in the 4 Gospels, not the OT. The Holy Mass
is totally centered around the words of Christ given in the Gospels. The 7
sacraments are given to us by God.

We Catholics well understand those words.

Of course not - We catholics well recognize the only way to heaven is in Jesus
and his directions to us.

>****ask in my name,****

We always ask in the name of Jesus. Even baptism and confession is "in the name
of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".

Hmmmmm, we Catholics are heavy into the words of Jesus.

Homosexuality is not a sin in either testamant. Practicing homosexuality is a
sin in both.

>CELIBACY'S ROOTS

The bible.

In due time. Soon....

Luke 17:24-30

24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven,
shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in
his day.

25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the
Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in
marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came,
and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank,
they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone
from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
KJV

--
Dore

www.dorewilliamson.com

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