Walmart Canned Cat Food

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Kitty Litter is the pits, too. FULL OF DUST!
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> Our youngest is allergic to the ":Special Kitty Litter".
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Look again.... Its listed right after road kill.....

You actually looked for "dust" in the ingredients list? ROTFLMAO!

Ok, I don't let my cats touch Purina or Meow Mix or any of those. What
makse you think I'd even slightly consider *walmart* brand cat food?

Gack! Grocery cat food is bad enough... grocery *brand* cat food is like
bottom of the barrel. Even every cat book I read mentioned that you don't
want grocery brand cat food (and they try to stay nuetral on the grocery
vs. premium food thing).

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I don't feed it to my cats, but I buy it for the neighborhood cats that
come around looking for a handout. I guess they like it because the
bowl is always empty and they keep coming back.

Cat Protector wrote:

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That holds true for ANY food you purchase at ANY store.
The stores are in business to make profit, not to provide nutrition.
They sell both "good" food and "junk" food not based on their
nutritional content, but based on how they sell.

The difference is the expensive foods can give your cat good nutrition and
make a profit because they cost more. They are making their money by
offering good food but at a more costly price. Their whole thing to get
customers is our food is actually good for your cat rather than this looks
cool (lots of dye) or it tastes super good to your cat (sprayed with stuff
to make it extra palatable).

Alice

Yes, but that's a function of the MANUFACTURER, not the RETAIL OUTLET.
The manufacturer may be truly concerned with the quality and
nutritional value of it's product, but the store would just as soon
sell you cow dung labeled as food if you would buy it and it was
profitable.

Actually I do buy cow dung, but I feed it to my tomatoes, not my cats.

I'm glad you posted this because it's important for people to understand
what kind of crap they are feeding their cats when they feed them this kind
of stuff.

But CP has been feeding his cat crappy food from the get-go; there have been
many threads on this subject and many people's time has been completely
wasted trying to educate him about feline nutrition. So, Phil, don't get
sucked into another endless, pointless "discussion" on this, OK? Save
yourself the time and the aggravation.

Huh? I was talking about dust in the LITTER. When I dumped it into the
litterbox, I coughed for 15 mins.

Now, if you were joking...ha, ha!

I used to feed it to my outdoor barn kitties but 2 of them developed
miliary dermatitis (food allergy is the suspected cause). One of them
had it really bad and had to have a steroid injection. Switched them
to 9 Lives and Friskies and it went away and hasn't come back.

I think the quality is questionable.

Mel

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> Thanks for the tip, Beth. I gave up trying to educate CP a long time ago.
> Now, my only objective is correcting his dangerous information and
answering
> his questions for the benefit of others who may have the same notions.
>
> Actually, he does serve a purpose! He's the quintessential example of an
> uninformed and misinformed cat owner - and provides excellent examples of
> all the things cat owners should *not* do.
>
> I'm seriously considering dedicating the "Don'ts" column of the "Dos and
> Don'ts of Cat Care" section of my site to him!

I'm sure that he'll be gratified to know that he's being of use. :-)

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Yeah my cat eats Friskies and has had no health issues whatsoever. Every
checkup she has had she gets a clean bill of health. As for the quality of
Special Kitty Cat food I do not know which is why I asked. I see it every
time I am at Walmart but the treats are the only thing my cat gets that are
made by Walmart.

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Yech.

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Cat Protector wrote:

> --We use Special Kitty cat litter, because no one else can come close for
> price, we've found the more expensive litters aren't much better and not
> worth the price, we add baking soda ourselves rather then paying for litter
> that has it already added and costs much more. I've found all clay clumping
> litters are dusty, for the money we save we'll live with it.

Cat Protector wrote:

> How about snobish cats? I have a friend how's cat will only eat fancy feast.

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I have to get the foam plates to feed the ferals from somewhere and they have
the largest packages at the lowest cost (50 @ $1.).

Anybody notice the new line of Figaro cat foods at the PetsMart this week?
Usually I see these on the supermarket shelves.

The problem is some ill effects of bad food take time to develop and become
evident. Although you see no problems now, I just hope it continues that way.

Sounds like another vet that knows nothing about feline nutrition.

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> > --We use Special Kitty cat litter, because no one else can come close

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>You're not kidding! Friskies is about the *worst* food available and just
>slightly above private-label and generic pet foods. She's about the *worst*
>vet I've read about, here, yet!

What I don't understand is I know CP loves his cat. But yet he will calls us
all a bunch of "snobs" because we recommend a better food. I wish he could see
past his nose and realize that maybe Friskies is not the best thing he could be
feeding his cat and that poor nutrition does have an effect on his cat's
health.

>She doesn't know much about vaccines, either... She vaccinates his *indoor*
>cat against *Chlamydia* and FeLV! The adverse effects of the Chlamydia
>vaccine are *worse* than the disease itself - which is *easily* and
>effectively treated with antibiotics! And the risk of VAS is *higher* than
>the risk of FeLV for an indoor cat! I really believe she got her DVM from a
>matchbook, mail order company in Bangladesh...
>

You are so right about these vaccines. I'm sure CP's cat is loaded up on every
vaccine once a year. Vaccinosis would never occur to his vet. Why should it?
She's making her money and from the sounds of her, that's all that matters. Oh
wait - if his cat does get vaccinosis or some other vaccine related malady, the
vet will make even more money.

>Imagine if she was a human doctor! She'd probably prescribe morphine for a
>headache and create a junkie!

LOL! No doubt!

Lauren

My cats love Figaro very much and would like to know- Thanks ;)

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I agree. Something's going on with that litter. We used to use it at the
shelter when donated litter is low (cutting $$$ corners where we can). It got
so dusty we felt it was actually a hazard to the cats and stopped using it.

Sherry

That's very true. I'd rather see people feed Friskies to the starving street
cats than not feed them at all. But when you're talking about having only one
cat, premium food isn't a big investment. Cats don't eat that much volume
really. I probably spend $2 a day on food per cat. But I gotta tell you
something about Friskies. Shelters notoriously try to cut corners where they
can. (especially considering we're hopefully only warehousing the cat for a
very short while). We had a crapload of Friskies (canned) donated and decided
to use it. It made for some extremely stinky poop. I'm not the expert on feline
nutrition so I can't tell you why. I just know we had to stop because we
couldn't have the public coming in that stinky cat room and thinking it was a
cleaning issue. I know from experience too with the cats at home that premium
food makes for a much less messy litterbox.

Sherry

I meant it is new to PetsMart. Looks like the same old product as usual.

Actually, if a person feeds a premium food, the cat will be healthier, thus
less vet bills too. It is said that cats will eat less of the premium food as
it is more nutrient dense.

You know, I've noticed that some people don't really even associate things like
a smelly litterbox or excessive shedding with the use of cheap food. They just
think all cats shed all the time and have stinky litterboxes.

My brother in law, who isn't much of a fan of cats, married a woman with two
cats, and he complains all the time about how much they shed and how much the
litterbox smells. But upon questioning them, I find they buy the cheapest
grocery store food they can find, never comb or brush the cats, and change the
litterbox about once a week.

Of course, they also always remark that no one would ever know we have cats
because there is no fur all over everything, and no smell. But when I mention
that changing to a better cat food and some combing might help, they don't
believe it.

I also don't fault people for not being able to afford a better cat food if
that is truly the case--I remember well my grad school days when my roommate
used to buy generic dog food to cut costs, until she decided the horrible odor
and gas was not worth saving a few cents--but really it is not that expensive
to feed a better quality food and it is not only better for the cat, it can
solve other problems too.

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There. Now before you troll rec.pets.cats.misc. again, find one reference in
this post that labels me a 'snob' or criticizes what you feed your cats. For a
self-appointed "stay-on-topic" netkop, you're doing a bit of trolling I
believe.

Sherry

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Because my cat would have major urine crystla problems if he doesn't eat
the preimum stuff. He already has a history of it and I prefer he don't
have a reapse (he was in the care of some one else when he got crystals.
When I got him he was on prescription food recovering from them).

And I don't want my other cat developing health problems. If nothing else
even for teh cheapskates it is cheaper to pay for more expensive food and
not have vet bills for stuff like urine crystals. Especially if your cat
is already predisposed (there is a guy who comes to my vet every week
having to get a catheter stuck in his cat because he was born with a very
small uretha. He has been feeding him friskies which has caused lots of
crystals in the urine which keep pluggin the uretha up. This has become
very expensive for him and it sure isn't giving the cat a very good
quality of life when he has to be stressed almost every week by some one
sticking a catheter up his uretha. And with some people he'd have been
put to sleep already cause they wouldn't be able to afford the
constant vet bills).

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No, we're trying to correct you when yo say Friskies *is just as good* as
the premium stuff. Go ahead and buy Friskies for your cat, no one is
stopping you. But you are going to have people flaming you when you try
to assert something that is entirely *WRONG*. I personally will not let my
cats even try it to get addicted to it because I pesronally want to have a
better chance of not having to take them to the vet a lot with constant
problems.

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For now. The thing with good vs. bad nutrition is you don't see the
effects of it until time passes. So I bet Icould feed my cat who is
susceptible to urine crystals Friskies and for a short time he'd look
totally healthy. Until he started peeing outside of the litterbox or
howling when he went to the bathroom or other such symptoms of urine
crystals. And with him he's susceptible so it shows up a lot quicker.

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LOL. Well, one of my cats loves potato chips too but I don't think it's a good
idea to let her eat them. Your logic is lacking something here.

Prove it. Show a post in which anyone here ever told you to feed the same food
they feed.

Yeah, a friend of mine lives on candy bars, diet coke, and beer. He's in good
health too, just like your cat. So far.

Oh? How many good quality foods have you tried that she did not touch? Or are
you just guessing?

Sigh. You just don't get it. This isn't "over there" although you're trying
your damndest to bring it here. Drop it, Mr. "Let's Stay on Topic." I don't
jump on "bandwagons". I have opinions and beliefs and if others share the same
ones, so be it. A word of caution to you: This isn't Grandma's dinner table,
and usenet isn't always "nice." Get used to it. This is my last post on the
subject.

Sherry

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Well, my mother has smoked since she was 13. She's 70 now and no major
health problems from the smoking.

I guess we can take off those nasty warnings from the boxes, huh?

Sethran
>

You have stated that premium foods are overpriced and that they are not
better than foods such as friskies (or in other words they are at best the
same as Friskies, or at least you ahve stated).

I'm not p9utting words in your mouth. I'm just remember what you have said
before.

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Yes, you have. You may not remember sayign that, but you have. It wasn't
in this thread, but in one a while back.

Which other foods? I think it's obvious why you don't want to answer the
question.

I know very well what I have said and not said. I did not say that so stop

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Whatever.

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>So you expect us to believe you tried feeding her *all* the quality foods
>and she refused *every one*?
>

I wonder if he did try any other food for his cat, how he introduced it. He
may have just put the new food on a plate and that was it, instead of slowly
adding the new food to the old food.

Lauren

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I dug. Google is a wonderful thing. CP, you have implied and
stated that Friskies is just as good as the super-premium brands we
reccomend on several occasions. Here are those occasions, listed
below.

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From: Cat Protector (catpro...@cox.net)
Subject: Re: Check your Wellness cans
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2002-04-29 11:52:44 PST

No you have no right to judge me because I feed my cat Friskies? As
far as judgmental people that is pot calling the kettle black. I am
sick of you snobs who think your food is better and then look down on
those who feed their cats Cat Chow, Friskies or any other food you
deem not appropriate for any cat at any time. If you want to think
Friskies is a low quality food then go ahead. But I happen to think my
cat is just fine and healthy and her vet even says Friskies is just
fine to feed her and that many cats can live long and healthy lives on
the foods you call low quality. Of course you always seem to think you
know more than the vets do don't you? It is pointless to argue with
snobs since they seem to think they know more than everyone else and
think their money makes them right. Friskies is just fine and I am not
going to change her diet just because you tell me to. Your scare
tactics on here will not work with me.
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Here you imply that Friskies is just as good by using the phrase "you
snobs who think your food is better". Using the word 'think' shows
clear implication that Friskies is equal to say, Nature's Recipe.

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From: Cat Protector (catpro...@home.com)
Subject: Re: canned food?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2001-11-08 15:29:12 PST

You know something I am getting tired of this crap. It seems optimal
to a lot of you is expensive food that does the same as store bought
food. This is what I seem to be seeing here. My cat is getting the
best care possible and other cats have lived a great many years from
just eating what you guys say is store bought. If isn't broken don't
fix it.

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Here you flat out claim (though not in so many words) that
Friskies is just as good as the super-premiums -- it "does the same as
store-bought food".

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From: Cat Protector (catpro...@home.com)
Subject: Re: canned food?
Newsgroups: alt.pets.cats, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.cats.misc,
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2001-11-08 13:12:13 PST

Well I'd think that most vets out there have to know about many
different types of animals. This is why they are called Veterinarians.
My cat's doctor seemed pretty knowledgable to me. BTW you keep
referring to the vet as he. Have you ever considered that there are
women who are doctors as well. BTW, I checked with my vet on the
subject of dry and she said that cats live a lot longer today than in
the past. I also asked the question regarding the ingredients in cat
food these days and they harmless to cats. In fact I read the
ingredients in both the premium food and what some people on here
consider store bought and there is no vast difference really. I got
royally slammed because I feed my cat Friskies and Chef's Blend. Both
foods are safe according to the vet and my cat should live a long and
healthy life. I think what this whole thing boils down to is that some
people will never be happy unless everyone feeds their cat the same
food.
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Again, flat out claiming (though not in as many words) that Friskies
is just as good by saying "I read the ingredients in both the premium
food and what some people on here consider store bought and there is
no vast difference really."

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From: Cat Protector (catpro...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Satanic Cat - HELP HIM!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behavt
Date: 2001-10-21 00:00:50 PST

I have done my research. Corn is not used but corn meal which many
brands of cat food use. Meat byproducts are also used in many cat
foods. If you ever bothered to do research even your so called premium
brands use the same type of ingredients. I find nothing wrong with
Friskies, Cat Chow or any other of the store bought brands. Instead of
jumping all over me about what brand I feed my cat maybe you should
come to realize that my cat is well cared for, well fed, well watered,
happy, and above all well loved. The problem that we have with this
food debate is that we will go in a circle and really not get
anywehere.

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Implication, by the use of 'so-called'.

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From: Cat Protector (catpro...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Icky Pet Food (wasRe: Satanic Cat - HELP HIM!!)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Date: 2001-10-20 19:11:12 PST

You have got to be kidding me? I have been feeding my cat normal cat
food (yes Chef's Blend is normal cat food) since I got her. And Chef's
Blend is made by Friskies. What the hell is wrong with store bought
food? I have read the ingredients and they are all relative. I am sure
plenty of us here probably feed our cats store bought food and they
are quite healthy and by the way my cat is healthy.

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By saying 'the ingredients are all relative', you imply that
Friskies is just as good as the super-premiums.
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So, you see, you have claimed or heavily implied that Friskies is just
as good as super-premiums quite a few times. Deal with being wrong.

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Heh, the day that CP actually admits he is wrong is the day that
flamewars will cease to exist on usenet.

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>How about Innova?
>

What about it? Did you try it? Canned or dry? What else did you try that your
cat refused to eat?

Are you also really arguing that Friskies is as good a food nutritionally as
Innova?

I truly get sick to my stomach whenever I come across
posts such as this one; this isn't what the cat news groups
are all about, or, are they? Flaming to me translates to
Insults. Just because a person or persons purchase a
certain brand of cat food doesn't mean that they're cheap.
You have to first walk in that person's shoes to understand
where they are coming from.

I feel as long as their furkids are being cared for and fed,
then that's the best they can do.

With Hugs & Smiles,
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> Who you call 'snobs' are actually better informed... make that just
*better*
> caretakers than you...

> ...regardless of how adversly it affects her health? That's why you're a
> *poor* caretaker. Its *your* responsibilty and obligation to provide food
> which is good for her... She doesn't know what's good or bad for her...
> Cats like antifreeze, too.

> I think the bottom line is you're cheap, obtuse, and monumentally stupid.
> Name *one* person who told you to feed your cat the same food they do. I
> surely did not. People only told to feed your cat a *better* food than
the
> cheap, bottom-of-the-barrel crap you're feeding her now.

> Naaa, you're only labeled cheap, obtuse, and monumentally stupid.
Actually,
> its your cat I'm concerned about...

> Lets see if you say that in a few years when she develops kidney and liver
> problems... and when her soft tissue is as calcified as her bones....

> I don't think that's the case. I think you insist on feeding her the
> cheapest food you can find... Friskies wasn't bad enough... now you're
> looking into Wal-Mart food. What's next, generic food in the white cans?

> The odor is masked by the smell of the money you saved on 25-cents-a-can,
> bottom-of-the-barrel, ground up bone and connective tissue with a trace of
> meat for color Friskies...

> Still wishing yourself a Happy Anniversary? Do you write yourself love
> letters, too?

Would _you like to be talked (written), to in
this manner? No, I don't think so, and neither
would I for that matter.

Please keep the insults to yourselves and post
on-topic; if you want to insult then send the
person a private email.

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> >From: "Phil P." ph...@maxshouse.com
>
> >PawsForThought <dar...@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message
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> >> >From: "Cat Protector" catpro...@cox.net
> >>
> >> >Another snobbish post. It seems to me that a person is only ok if they
> >feed
> >> >their cat the same foods you do. Friskies is a-ok in my book and I
have
> >> >never had any problems with my cat eating it.
> >>
> >> The problem is some ill effects of bad food take time to develop and
> >become
> >> evident. Although you see no problems now, I just hope it continues
that
> >way.
> >>
> >> I
> >> >also consulted my cat's doctor regarding this matter and she says a
cat
> >does
> >> >just fine on what the snobbish people on here call "lower quality
food."
> >>
> >> Sounds like another vet that knows nothing about feline nutrition.
> >
> >You're not kidding! Friskies is about the *worst* food available and
just
> >slightly above private-label and generic pet foods. She's about the
*worst*
> >vet I've read about, here, yet!
>
> What I don't understand is I know CP loves his cat. But yet he will calls
us
> all a bunch of "snobs" because we recommend a better food. I wish he
could see
> past his nose and realize that maybe Friskies is not the best thing he
could be
> feeding his cat and that poor nutrition does have an effect on his cat's
> health.
>
>
>
> >She doesn't know much about vaccines, either... She vaccinates his
*indoor*
> >cat against *Chlamydia* and FeLV! The adverse effects of the Chlamydia
> >vaccine are *worse* than the disease itself - which is *easily* and
> >effectively treated with antibiotics! And the risk of VAS is *higher*
than
> >the risk of FeLV for an indoor cat! I really believe she got her DVM
from a
> >matchbook, mail order company in Bangladesh...
> >
>
> You are so right about these vaccines. I'm sure CP's cat is loaded up on
every
> vaccine once a year. Vaccinosis would never occur to his vet. Why should
it?
> She's making her money and from the sounds of her, that's all that
matters. Oh
> wait - if his cat does get vaccinosis or some other vaccine related
malady, the
> vet will make even more money.
>
> >Imagine if she was a human doctor! She'd probably prescribe morphine for
a
> >headache and create a junkie!
>
> LOL! No doubt!

Well, there is disagreement on this issue, but you are correct in that one
does not have to be nasty about it. In all reality, you can go up in quality
but not break the bank. A really good food, depending on the number of cats
is only going to increase your budget by a few dollars. They need less of
really good quality kibble especially. Canned food is particularly scary. I
believe that years ago, there was not so much "junk" material in the store
brands, but there are some truly alarming things showing up now. It may seem
pricier, but you really may be avoiding some big vet bills in the future by
buying good food now. Myself, I gave up one "luxury" item of my own to
increase my "cat budget". But ultimately, since we do not know everyone's
circumstances, even if you can come halfway (in my opinion) like making the
dry food they eat a premium brand, you are working for your cat's welfare
without breaking the bank. Then maybe if canned food is a problem, can
*some* of it be supplimented with premium food? Shoot, even if you can only
supplement the kibble at premium and half of the canned, you are
accomplishing something (in MY book at least.) I actually got BETTER at
managing money due to figuring out how to get the money I needed for my cats
food.

Karen

Barb, this is kind of ongoing. I do recall at the beginning of the thread
somewhere the poster did specify that cat owners should buy the best food they
can afford, with the realization that some people, as you say, can't afford the
premium foods.

Sherry

I have never criticized or 'degraded' anyone who couldn't afford a quality
food for their cat - that has never been the issue, here. This particular
individual (CP) has never said he couldn't afford good food; had he, I would
certainly understand and wouldn't hold it against him. However, poverty is
not his excuse. He incessantly claims he feeds his cat Friskies because its
'good food' and 'perfectly fine' - which, of course, it isn't.

*Many* people have tried to educate this obtuse individual about feline
nutrition to no avail. He simply calls people who are concerned about
theirs and *his* cats' health and nutrition "snobs" because we recommend a
better food.

The manufacturer's *own* proximate analysis *confirms* the *fact* that
Friskies is one of the *poorest* - if not *the* poorest quality foods -
along with Fancy Feast - on the market. One would be hard-pressed to find
worse foods for their cat... but he sure is trying... i.e., Wal-Mart cat
food...

This cat newsgroup is about feline *health* and behavior. The average pet
owner knows little about their pet's nutritional needs and thus can be quite
susceptible to false claims and erroneous, misleading and potentially
*dangerous* information such as that posted by CP on *several* occasions.

In CP's case, it *does* ... since he has *nerver* stated he simply can't
afford a better food... Instead, he tries to justify feeding cats the
poorest quality food available by claiming its 'good food'... this erroneous
information can be harmful to others.

You should read CP's posting history to understand where he's comming
from... $$$

"The best they can do" should be the best they can do instead of justifying
why they do not. I have never criticized or 'degraded' anyone who couldn't
afford a quality food for their cat. I simply advise people to feed their
cats the best food they can afford.... I have *no* reason to believe that
is the case with this individual.

Phil.

However, some of these posts came through
with negativity, and did appear to be slapping-
the-hands of people who could not buy the pricier
foods.

I agree with you and most members that quality
foods should be fed to our furkids. Additionally,
If a person states that they'd like to feed quality
foods but just can't for their own private reasons,
then I say we should all respect their feelings/statements.

And, I repeat because it bears repeating: If one wants
to get a message across to another with scolding, then
that person should do so privately via email.

(We should ALL treat one another the way WE would
like to be treated)
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"Phil P." <ph...@maxshouse.org> wrote in message
news:aejjgm$ehd$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...

No kidding! I was in awe when I discovered this for myself and my friends
are too when I get them to try a premium kibble.
Maybe the premium kibbles cost 3x's more than the 18 lb bag of Purina Cat
Chow for $11 but the cats eat 3x's less with the premium kibble. So for
either kibble, I find the monthly cost to be the same but the quality is
very noticeable imo. The premium kibble even looks and smells better,
doesn't swell/ expand, my cats don't vomit after eating ( which for one was
a major problem), nicely formed stools instead of cow-piles, etc.

Now the mid-range to premium can foods are expensive, there is just no
getting around that ( and some are way out of line imo). Fortunately I can
cut my cost down for a good quality premium by buying the 13 oz. cans. For
example, if I was to buy Innova 5.5 oz cans, they would cost me .85 cents a
piece but by buying the 13.2 oz cans, it is like I get two 5.5 oz. cans for
$1.05

On the flip side though, for those who can not afford it or those of us that
feed ferals ( and all subsequent wildlife that comes along for dinner),
etc., I would be very interested to see a real analysis here if any of the
cheaper brands are better than one another.

You've obviously misinterpreted my intention. I was 'slapping-the-face' of
the person (CP) for *lying* about the quality of Friskies and
misrepresenting it as 'good food' to others who may not know Friskies/Fancy
Feast is the *worst* food on the market -- not "slapping-the-hands" because
he "could not buy the 'pricier' foods".

No one, including me, would criticize or 'slap-the-hands' of anyone who
simply can't afford to buy quality food - even though the cost of quality
food is about the same or even *less* in the long run.

Appartently, you haven't been following along too closely. CP did not say
he 'can't' feed his cat quality food - he stated he *won't* feed his cat
quality food because he's stated Friskies is 'quality' food despite the
overwhelming evidence to the contrary - i.e., the manufacturer's *own*
proximate analysis! I do not and will not respect false statements.

If an individual deliberately makes false and misleading statements that
could affect the health of others' cats, *publicly*, he will be 'scolded'
and corrected *publicly*. Otherwise, the false and misleading statements
will appear to be true because they were not challenged.

Are you excusing/defending/justifying feeding poor quality food because you
do, too? Fancy Feast is on the same level as Friskies... the bottom of the
barrel... literally.

I just bought an 18 lb bag of Science Diet for $17.99
and the canned food was $.50 for a 6 oz can, and the 3 oz can was the
same price as the 6 oz can. (Go figure) the larger cans were $1.09
...which I figured then didn't save me enough any above getting the 6
oz cans.

We use an 18 lb bag in approximately 3 months and that is feeding 3
cats freely. I don't feel that is a huge expense for the comfort that
it may save Vet bills later, but then that is me.

I feed mostly the dry food, I do use the can food (the 3 cats get
about 1 oz each a day) to get some l-lysine into the cats for the
herpes (my Vet recommended they stay on this for sometime and hiding
it
in canned food is the least stressful way to get them to take it).

Karryl

Karryl
>

My cats won't eat Science Diet or Iams. And there are lots of other
brands with big prices but how do you know what is and what isn't
good. I feed what I can afford and what my cats will eat. This means
the house cats get Friskies and the barn cats get 9-Lives, and they
all get dry Purina Cat Chow. I have 7 cats (and a couple of other
strays that come around) so I go through a lot of cat food.

Consumer Reports compared cat and dog foods several years ago and
Friskies was found to be nutritionally complete. So where is the
evidence to back up the statements that Friskies is the worst food out
there? My personal opinion is that there are worse foods out there
(such as Special Kitty) but I have no facts to back that up --it is
simply my opinion. Are the statements being tossed about in these
discussions opinion or fact?

So can any of you point me in the direction of real scientific
studies, comparisons, references, or anything else to show what foods
I should be feeding my cats so they live long healthy lives?

Mel

Of course its 'nutritionally complete'. Shoe leather and motor oil will
analyze as nutritionally complete... Did Consumers Reports conduct long-term
(years) feeding protocols...? I don't think so.

Calcium 2.54% Phosphorus 1.76%.... Their *own* proximate analysis... Can't
get much more conclusive evidence than that... You don't really believe
you're getting good food for 25 cents a can, do you? Meats are priced
differently for a reason...

Do you know what a high calcium and phosphorus content means? Aside from
poor quaility ingredients (ground up slaughterhouse waste), an increased
risk of calcification of soft tissue - especially the kidneys.... which may
not occur for years... like the damage caused by smoking... or eating any
junk food for years...

Have you ever wondered why the incidence of CRF and diabetes is so high in
cats, or are you only inquisitive about cheap prices?

Who do expect to fund these studies? The companies that manufacture the
garbage (literally) ?

The current nutrient guidelines as published by the National Academy of
Science in Nutrient Requirements of Cats used *purified* and *semi-purified*
diets to establish their minimum nutrient recomendations... Keep that in
mind while you're feeding your cat a 25-cent, ground-up-bone diet that
contains "45% protein" of which less than 1/3 is actually bioavailable.

It truly amazes me that some people need 'scientific studies' to convince
them that 25-cents-a-can cat food is garbage! These same people probably
need to actually see a rock hit the ground after throwing it in the air, to
be convinced it actually came back down....

Consumer Reports later retracted that report on pet food. Unfortunately lots of
people remember the report, but they don't remember the retraction. In short,
however, the original report was meaningless.

Mel wrote:

I certainly agree about some of these high priced dry cat foods that cost
$ 32 for a
10 kg. bag.
We feed our mult-cat family Kasco dry cat food < its made by Royal Canin
>, we found that it's just as good as the high < IMHO overpriced > cat
foods, check out their web site http://www.kasco.com/
As for wet foods we don't buy Iams or other expensive canned food,
because when your feeding ten cats it's just too expensive when your
feeding nine cats.
Whoever dumped all over Whiskies, might explain why instead of just saying
it's bad have they ever tried it? It's made by Walham, which our DVM
carries, like Mel says if your going to crap on various brands of cat food
offer some scientific proof.
Lye & family

--
http://www.geocities.com/childrenarecats/Our_Pets.html

Well, they'll argue that with higher foods you don't get what you pay for,
but I'll mention you never get what you *don't* pay for. I'll agree that
just cuse it's pricey doesn't mean it's better. But if it is cheap don't
think you are getting quality with the cheapness.

Tigress

Hrm... Nutro is pretty good, much better than Iams in my opinion, and it
costs me, oh, 22 dollars for a 20 pound bag.