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1. Re: URIs as names-for-reference vs locations-for-access (score: 147) (27,480 bytes)
Author: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 01:01:31 -0400 (EDT) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <002901c5399a$f7298f50$0401a8c0@wongkjo9u38gzb> References: 1 2

I think you miss the point. Your free to dereference a URI all you want, but obviously http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes/PatHayes.html does not dereference Pat Hayes in the same way http://www.ihmc.us/

2. Re: URIs as names-for-reference vs locations-for-access (score: 145) (26,455 bytes)
Author: Jeremy Wong 黃泓量 <50263336@student.cityu.edu.hk>, Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:50:18 +0800 List: Public/www-rdf-interest References: 1

In the world of RDF, it is free to dereference a URI. It is really a problem because a representationREST may be temporarily unaccessible due to network failure and server maintenance. In the world o

3. URIs as names-for-reference vs locations-for-access (score: 143) (24,287 bytes)
Author: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:59:40 -0400 (EDT) List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Ah, a title might be courteous.... Again, there seems to be the usual questions about the SemWeb popping up, and in particular http-range-14. There also doesn't seem to be much progress on these issu

4. [www-rdf-interest] <none> (score: 143) (24,519 bytes)
Author: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <3e056ceceb0e195b62dd6cca9d6c31c4@nokia.com> References: 1 2 3 4

Again, there seems to be the usual questions about the SemWeb popping up, and in particular http-range-14. There also doesn't seem to be much progress on these issues. Here's some notes that I think

5. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 159) (8,111 bytes)
Author: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>, Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:52:39 -0800 List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <1E4A0AC134884349A21955574A90A7A50ADDBC@trebe051.ntc.nokia.com> References: 1

it doesn't and it shouldn't. Sparql will be describe a web service behavior. You can use that to query a graph to obtain particular information about a URI. here is one potential workflow: 1) you hav

6. RE: working around the identity crisis (score: 132) (2,700 bytes)
Author: Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx@webweaving.org>, Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:48:17 +0100 (CET) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <1E4A0AC134884349A21955574A90A7A50ADDAF@trebe051.ntc.nokia.com> References: 1

Of course if you are -this- http inclined (and you must have a protocol like ftp or http which at the very least have some assumptions on the hierarchy - which may not be warrented, say, for a z39.50

7. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 128) (2,381 bytes)
Author: Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx@webweaving.org>, Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:46:25 +0100 (CET) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <419CEB54.3070605@apache.org> References: 1 2 3

.. Note that any DDDS lookup also includes the '#' - and hence allows you to sidestep this issue if needed. Dw.

8. RE: SKOS dodges the identity crisis? (score: 130) (3,246 bytes)
Author: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>, Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:39:13 -0500 (EST) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <1E4A0AC134884349A21955574A90A7A56473EF@trebe051.ntc.nokia.com> References: 1

As a believer in not trying to reengineer stuff that is not broken .. I also agree that it would be good to encourage publishers of terms in controlled vocabularies to use a direct non-fragmenting UR

9. Re: SKOS dodges the identity crisis? (score: 132) (4,799 bytes)
Author: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>, Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:21:50 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50D60@exchange11.rl.ac. uk>

FWIW, I don't see anything broken in your approach. I think a number of approaches are possible, and whichever one you choose I think what's most important is to use it consistently. So if you choose

10. Re: SKOS dodges the identity crisis? (score: 134) (3,481 bytes)
Author: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:22:02 -0500 (EST) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50D60@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>

Al et al., While I think the characterization of the concept is good, as the URIs do actually *are* a description of a concept. However, where the use value of a URI for a concept is because the conc

11. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 130) (3,177 bytes)
Author: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>, Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:35:00 -0800 List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <4199DC9C.3020804@aduna.biz> References: 1 2

There is a difference. Dereferencing http://blah.com/foo#bar will send "foo" to the server, and keep "bar" on the client. Dereferencing http://blah.com/foo/bar will send both "foo" and "bar" to the s

12. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 128) (1,963 bytes)
Author: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:45:31 -0500 List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50D4A@exchange11.rl.ac.uk> References: 1

What I think you want is http://esw.w3.org/topic/HashVsSlash and the linked pages like HashURI and SlashURI. These are wiki pages; people are invited to help improve them, but they've been pretty st

13. RE: working around the identity crisis (score: 132) (3,183 bytes)
Author: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:43:41 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Hi Benjamin, all, Well this is exactly my problem ... I'm currently drafting new documentation for SKOS. Although I do think the SKOS docs should remain politically neutral about URI form, the realit

14. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 130) (2,392 bytes)
Author: Dan Brickley <danbri@w3.org>, Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:47:37 -0500 List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50D43@exchange11.rl.ac.uk> References: 1

Yep, Dan C has pointed this out to me too. I still believe it is undeployably ugly in RDF's XML syntax though. For wordnet it would mean a separate xmlns declartion for each term used... Dan

15. RE: working around the identity crisis (score: 130) (3,027 bytes)
Author: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:31:21 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Hi Benjamin, Yeah, this style of URI is no good for RDF/OWL Classes or predicates, as it precludes nice looking qnames (such as 'skos:prefLabel'). However, this isn't usually a major concern for RDF

16. RE: working around the identity crisis (score: 132) (2,487 bytes)
Author: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Just to say that, as Dave Reynolds pointed out a little while ago on public-esw-thes list, this is not necessarily true, as you can do things like http://my.org/knowlegebase/chemistry/water#concept

17. RE: working around the identity crisis (score: 152) (6,680 bytes)
Author: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:24:39 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Hi Patrick, all, I made a proposal on the public-esw-thes@w3.org mailing list a few weeks ago for a property with identical (I think) semantics to the 'resolvesAs' property you describe above, to be

18. Re: working around the identity crisis (score: 154) (5,032 bytes)
Author: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:15:36 -0500 (EST) List: Public/www-rdf-interest
In-Reply-To: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50D35@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>

Alistair, Nice point about indirection. Generally, I think that's a good idea to keep URIs for web-pages and concepts distinct. You could also solve the problem via having a new URI scheme such as La

19. working around the identity crisis (score: 139) (2,958 bytes)
Author: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:20:52 +0000 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

Sorry, reposting this with a more sensible title - a discussion about working around the 'identity crisis' for http uris: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SkosDev/IdentityCrisis Would very much like to know w

20. Re: URI: Name or Network Location? (score: 78) (11,494 bytes)
Author: "Rhoads, Stephen" <SRhoads@ThruPoint.net>, Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:39:54 -0500 List: Public/www-rdf-interest

My apologies for rehashing this, but I'm not fully satisfied. Yet. Feel free to slap me in the face if this has been resolved and I just have not done the requisite reading. It seems to me that the b