Second, and Third, Thoughts Over Killing of Prospect Park Geese

About 75 people gathered Saturday evening in a vigil for the Canada geese at Prospect Park.Marcus Yam/The New York Times About 75 people gathered Saturday evening in a vigil for the Canada geese at Prospect Park.

After the killing of nearly 400 Canada geese in Prospect Park in Brooklyn, many parkgoers railed against the government agencies that had rounded up the birds. Most focused on the morality of the killings.

But Henry J. Stern, a former city parks commissioner, perhaps reframed the debate by suggesting that the reasoning behind the decision to kill the birds might be flawed.

“Are there reasons for singling out the Prospect Park geese for the mobile gas chamber, followed by the landfill?” Mr. Stern wrote on his StarQuest blog. “Does it make any difference if these geese were migratory or non-migratory, or whether they ever left the precincts of the park?”

The policy, as stated by the United States Department of Agriculture, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the city’s Department of Environmental Protection, was to reduce the number of geese within seven miles of Kennedy International and La Guardia Airports. Geese have flown into airplanes, causing millions of dollars in damage. They also presented a hazard to air safety, which was highlighted when geese flew into the engines of US Airways Flight 1549 in January 2009, forcing it to ditch in the Hudson River.

But Mr. Stern, who was parks commissioner in the Koch and Giuliani administrations, was skeptical that the geese in Prospect Park fell within that seven-mile radius. And so he charted the distance and came up with 9.4 miles – more than two miles beyond what the government agencies had stated.

“The bureaucrats think it’s terrific, but sometimes there’s a slip in the execution of these policies,” Mr. Stern said in an interview.

City Room, using the Internet tool Draft Logic, came up with similar figures: 9.53 miles to Kennedy and 9.23 miles to La Guardia.

Carol A. Bannerman, a spokeswoman for the Department of Agriculture, said this week that officials had calculated 6.5 miles between Prospect Park and La Guardia and Kennedy.

But the precise distance might not matter, according to Paul D. Curtis, an associate professor of wildlife sciences at Cornell University. Canada geese typically fly 12 to 15 miles from their home base, he said. Most of the geese at Prospect Park were resident geese.

“The residents and migrants mix,” Dr. Curtis said. “Local breeding birds fly just as far as the migratory birds.”

He said that resident Canada geese in upstate New York had been banded to see how far they would fly. “They ended up being harvested in Virginia,” Dr. Curtis said.

As for Mr. Stern, he emphasized that he was only asking questions, not passing judgment, and remained neutral on the policy. He also agreed with many that the geese might not be charming, but that they deserved a defense.
He has been referring to the geese as “the Prospect Park 400.”

“These are not the Mother Teresa of all creatures,” he said. “These are animals that get in the way. They’re very territorial, and they hiss and bite. There are reasons not to care for the geese. But it’s a question of judgment if you use the mechanical powers of the human race to exterminate them or use less than lethal measures.”

Many of the people at the vigil held photos of geese and goslings.Marcus Yam/The New York Times Many of the people at the vigil held photos of geese and goslings.

About 75 people gathered Saturday evening in a vigil for the Canada geese at the park, including State Senator Eric L. Adams and City Councilman Brad Lander. Many of them held photos of geese and goslings and signs that read “Why?” and “Rest in Peace, Geese.”

“This can’t happen again, in the middle of the night for the government to sneak in and be bigger than the people they represent,” Senator Adams said. “That’s not the city I want to live in.”

Mr. Lander encouraged protesters to call 311 — after all, he said, a crime had been committed.

As the politicians and protesters spoke, a single goose swam a lonely vigil nearby.

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I think most of us despise the apparent “kill first, think later” philosophy that was used here by the Department of Agriculture, as well as the sneaky underhand way it was done so that no reasonable objections could be made.

It might have been necessary (although I doubt it) but the way it was done indicates the DoA wasn’t prepared to defend their actions. Very suspicious. I’d like to know who had lodged complaints about these geese before. Someone “important” who lives near Prospect Park?

Canadian snowbird. July 17, 2010 · 2:24 pm

Do Canadian relatives of the geese not now have sufficient evidence to launch lawsuits against the perpetrators of these crimes against the whole flocking bunch of geese?

Do the people holding the vigil realize that there at least 8 KFCs within 2 miles of Prospect Park? Looks like they can stay busy for a long time to come…

It’s impossible to believe that there aren’t non-lethal ways to control the geese population. I think this was a case of too many bureaucrats and too little thinking. And I think the management of Prospect Park owes local residents an explanation for why they didn’t push back against this decision.

Are you measuring from the centers or the edges? The park and the airports are regions, not points, so the distance needs to be defined precisely.

— Math major

Was it valid to euthanize Geese?
If so, why am I ill at ease?
It seems uncertain yet
They were really a threat,
Why such gobbets of guilt to appease?

Former commissioner Stern is correct in suggesting that the Goose Elimination policy may be flawed. Why aren’t any “current” officials stepping forward to explain and defend the decision to kill the Prospect Park Geese?

A vigil?

C’mon.

They’re filthy, disgusting, aggressive creatures that have no place in or near centers of human recreation.

People should be glad that they’re gone, and that maybe now they can have some nice ducks to feed, who won’t be mauled by the geese, and won’t attack children or leave such a mess.

I’m sorry, but I privilege human life over non-human life. If it’s necessary to kill geese to ensure they don’t cause planes to crash, so be it.

I was under the impression that there were sharpshooters assigned to airports that would shoot down any large birds that got too close to the runways; and this seems like a reasonable precaution.

Slaughtering any birds that are nowhere near the airports, and may never have gone near them, seems barbaric and pointless. It adds insult to injury that they failed to deliver maybe a half a ton of edible goose meat to soup kitchens and/or homeless shelters.

I hope something is done to stop government agencies from summarily slaughtering large numbers of any animal, but I have little hope of that. Extermination of species is something humans are very skilled at, and we appear unable to kick that habit.

I was appalled by this mass killing and expressed my distress to the Mayor’s office. Not that I expect it to do an iota of good, but it is beyond disturbing that a city euthanizes wild creatures at whim because they may pose a mostly monetary threat to air traffic. I am tired of seeing humans kills other living beings because they find them an inconvenience, particularly when it is their own acts (the introduction of non-native geese to the region, in this instance) that create the problem in the first place.

I understand the need to remove many geese from our area due to the threat they can pose to air traffic. However, the park is at least 6.5 miles from the airports, and the “no fly” zone, (according to the New York Times) extends 7 miles. Given how close the park is to the boundary of this zone, along with it’s special de facto status as an urban wildlife sanctuary, an exception should have been made.

Furthermore, unlike other less used green spaces that have seen geese removed, Prospect Park offers an environment in which many, many city dwellers experience a unique and intimate relationship with wildlife on a daily basis. The emotional impact of the killing of so many birds upon New Yorkers of all ages and from all walks of life, along with the loss of educational opportunities for urban youth who lack other access to wildife, and the simple pleasure of watching so many families of geese grow and thrive, should have given added impetus to the always urgent need to preserve wildlife for its own sake.

“Many parkgoers railed against the government agencies that had rounded up the birds. Most focused on the morality of the killings.”

Following the rally, many of the parkgoers went out for delicious steak dinners with loved ones.

Roast goose makes an excellent dinner ;-)

This food supply should not be wasted in a land fill!!

Use them to feed the homeless!!

Ming Bucibei

So-called soup kitchens across the country are experiencing a dramatic increase the number of needy and homeless that they feed. Caught in a scissor effect, contributions of food and cash for food received by those institutions is diminishing.

Putting aside such questions as the need for, and morality of, killing geese, why are the geese — which are marvelous table fare — being gassed and landfilled instead of butchered (as as is done with commercial fowl such as chickens) and contributed to those providing food for the homeless and needy?

What a colossal waste.

I for one am glad that the Prospect Park swans & ducks now have their lake back. Something’s very, very wrong when a large, beautiful lake is populated by a few dozen ducks, seven swans (a swimming) & 400 Canada geese. The geese never should have been allowed to establish such a huge population. Canada geese are an aggressive, destructive invasive species that spoil the quality of the water and of the park lands surrounding it. People shouldn’t feed wildlife of any kind, certainly not invasive species like Canada geese. Would people be holding memorial vigils if the Feds had instead killed 400 rats? Canada geese are prettier & rats don’t fly: those are the main differences. I’m a regular Parks volunteer. We routinely pull up invasive plant species in the woodlands to help keep nature in balance. Invasive animal species such as Canada geese should also be culled as needed to keep them from destroying the park we love. Thank you, Department of Agriculture, for doing what should have been done long ago.

Isn’t it typical that a federal agency, in this case the Dept. of Agriculture, can’t even accurately calculate the distance between two points? Add to that the seemingly idiotic decision to destroy 400 Canada geese on such specious grounds and you have yet another entirely rational explanation for the rise of the Tea Party and other anti-government endeavors.

Mr. Stern describes geese as “animals that get in the way.” But geese were in America long before humans and airplanes were, so it would be more accurate to say that we and our airplanes get in the way of geese. And to admit that we kill them because we are destructive species that kills any other it encounters.

They are proliferating like roaches. It’s been established that they can be dangerous to aircraft. They serve no useful function, other than defecating on golf courses. I can’t get upset about this.

A vigil for the geese! Come on! The geese are hostile, unsanitary, and a menace to air traffic (as well as to other small ground-based critters, like children). People’s interests like safety and health should be primary here, not some romanticized version of the birds. They aren’t cute and this isn’t Swan Lake.

What is immoral is putting them in a landfill. With all the unemployment, and food banks and homeless shelters wondering how they will feed the unfortunate, why would 400 geese be put in the landfill?

ONE high-profile plane crash caused by bird-strike occurs and an arbitrary massacre is carried out under the guise of “policy”. Catastrophic bird-strikes are relatively uncommon and whether they truly cause “millions of dollars worth of damage” is questionable. A more humane solution to the “goose problem” would be to introduce the animal’s natural predators, such as the fox, back into the environment – predators who have been hunted and pushed into near extinction by our greed and ignorance. At any rate, the US Department of Agriculture has quite a lot of blood on its hands.

In Brooklyn, a vigil for the Prospect Park geese was scheduled for Saturday evening at the lake where they once lived.

Bring a bucket of fried chicken!

It’s been said previously but it should be made clear so that Henry Stern understands: geese only hiss and bite when they are protecting a nest or protecting young ones. Having lived for several years across the street from a park with many geese (fortunately not in New York), I’ve never known them to be anything but gentle except under those circumstances. And watching them raise and protect their families is a fascinating and sometimes moving experience. What happened in Prospect Park is shameful. There are other ways to control the population.

Brenda from Flatbush July 17, 2010 · 6:56 pm

A vigil, eh? These folks are actually inspiring me. Maybe now I’ll have the gumption to join one of those vigils outside an abortion clinic, where helpless (if inconvenient) living creatures are also destroyed when they’re most vulnerable…