I just got a angry e-mail.

Vince Walker

I'm getting too old for this.

The governor of New Jersey?

> Ain't life grand?

Frankly, yes.

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>>Also spracht Vince <jvwa...@mdbusiness.state.md.us>:

My god - you got an email from Marlon Brando? Share it!

"We will drink no wine while it's still on the vine"

Vince "I coulda been a contenda" Walker

I won't pay $9 to see the movie, so please tell me--what was the
significance of his dying words . . . . . "beefstick"?
--
Rick Knowlan
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Misery no longer loves company.
These days, it insists on it.
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Ah Yes! The movie - a combination of Citizen Kane and Moby Dick - Denizen Pain
and The Great White Dork. Critical Review - The significance of ...."beefstick"
is that life is like a sausage. First you are brought into this world as some
sort of slow-witted bovine-like creature then you come into contact with
superior life forms, get whacked on the head, chopped up and stuffed into an
edible casing. Just pray you don't get "Mad Cow" disease.

Boy! Am I gonna catch it on this one.

Vince Walker

Or, perhaps more to the point, trichinosis.
--
Rick Knowlan
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Why is it that every time I get stabbed in the back
My fingerprints are on the knife?
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That's Pork.

> "We will drink no wine while it's still on the vine"

"From sour grapes come the finest whines"

Do share the gist of this missive, Vincent. Was there railing against
the dying of the light? Condemnations of dweebs without honor or morals?
BRUTAL RECTAL POUNDING? Divulge, prithee, divulge.

>

Do you think anybody cares?

--
Horvath

I was surfing the net when Yahoo was only a hillbilly cheer.

For information on the Horvath Network e-mail In...@Horvath.net

Nobody wants to hear about the other crap (it's like chinese water torture with
it's repetiveness). He's never going to stop and that's OK, just don't listen or
pay attention. We have our own resident sufferer of Tourette's Syndrome. I heard
that they were going to try ECT on him but the doctor's freaked out when he was
hooked up to the electrodes-he looked like Herman Munster. He bops in (illegally
of course), makes several abusive and incoherent remarks and vacates - sort of
like Dr. Laura Schessinger (and makes as much sense). The next time he calls, if
someone feels to need respond - use the big swear word from "A Christmas Story"
starring Darren McGavin - ZOTTAFINGA. He calls you a sick wacko - ZOTTAFINGA. He
calls you a perverted criminal dumb**** - ZOTTAFINGA. That attaches the
appropriate level of significance.

Vince "Sick lunatic perverted criminal dumb**** and proud of it " Walker

Vince Walker

What's going to happen when the year is up? Will he admit to using any of
the pseudonyms?

I think I am not a dweeb. But I don't really know what that means, so I
might be.

Robin Gray
I'd rather be Skiing/Sailing

Hollywood Horvath wrote in message <8bienr$iu1$2...@206.244.73.185>...

Rick Foxx <~~~~~~~waiting for the implosion.

> You must, you responded.

He's actually a sensitive, caring, decent human being. The HH personna
is just a defence mechanism he uses to insulate himself from the cold,
cruel world.

I just like showing everybody what an idiot you are.

Don't ever call me a sensative, caring, decent human being, or I will have
you dragged naked through fiberglass insulation, and staked out in the hot
sun.

For fun, I go downtown and give liquor to street people.
Want to see my collection of canes, stolen from blind people?

The Vinnie who complained about others bringing off-RSA stuff onto RSA, but
who thinks it's just fine to do so yourself. There's no hypocrisy involved,
of course, because it's Vinnie ...

Just a chance to poke fun at someone who can't legally respond -- get a few
more jabs in here. And to give others a chance to chime in. Well, nobody
ever accused you of decency or integrity. And a chance to make "nice-nice"
with that stalwart character, Roger Wymyss, and make a new home for the
Little Lost Boy of Usenet. So go ahead, Vinnie, whine away ...

You were warned a month or two ago, I understand, not to say anything
critical of that bitch Anthea or her minions. You were wise to follow that
advice. Let me tell you what would have happened if you did not. Since the
court hearing, I have been harassed *daily* In Real Life. Sometimes up to 10
or 12 times a day. It's only been in the last month that it's tapered off to
2-5 times a week. I haven't even thought of RSA since I put up the Web page
(busy with other things) but the bastards who are all of a sudden so nice
here did not let up one iota.

These people that you support and so nice to think nothing of using other
people to play their "harmless" little "pranks." The ones I feel the worst
about are the alpaca ranchers. They are all people in a "vocation of
passion," trying to eke out a living with mom-and-pop operations, doing
something they love. And they are using up their precious advertising
dollars calling me long-distance because I'm a "hot prospect." I explain
that they and I are merely the victims of malicious pranksters, and they
take it well. But they do *not* have the money to spare to fulfill some
malicious bastards' ideas of a "practical joke." And no, I am not interested
in the Culinary Institute of New York (they could afford the phone calls to
me), hair transplant therapy (like someone sent in from the Minneapolis
airport), posh retirement communities, the offers from advertisers in
Sailing and Gourmet magazines, or tourist attractions in Missouri. "Thank
you for inquiring. Here's a response to your inquiry."

But it gets worse. Scott sent an e-mail to a local resort to work out a
deal. It looks like he got "hacked" and the e-mail intercepted, because a
couple of days later the Security Department sent an e-mail back that they
had been e-mailed by an "anonymous source" about Scott's message and as a
result, Scott is permanently persona-non-grata at one of his local resorts.
And I have people trying to break into my machine on a regular basis, from
places like Australia, the East Coast and B.C. The same guy in B.C. has been
trying for three weeks, now.

So maybe you would have "e-mail-bombing" and people hacking into your
computer and harassing you In Real Life if you said anything disparaging
about bitch Anthea and her minions. I have nothing to offer you if they try
to hack into your computer, although I am fending off quite well the
attempts to hack into mine. After all, you are convinced that I am nothing
more than an ego-maniac, into all of this for my own self-gratification and
manipulating other people. So I am sure you would not be interested in
anything I had to say.

So have fun getting in those hypocritical little digs,whining to RSA about
stuff that happens off-RSA just to fan the flames.

Bert

Vince wrote in message <8bg2u3$1c...@drn.newsguy.com>...

Useful to know that you, too, are one of those people who like to poke jabs
at someone who, legally, is barred from responding.

Bet it makes you feel like a "real man" to get in those little digs and fan
the flames.

Just shows, very vividly, what kind of a person you really are.

Bert

Rick Knowlan wrote in message <38DBB3F2...@home.com>...

Nice of you to start flaming away, by bringing non-RSA stuff over onto RSA,
and even nicer of you to be willing to keep fanning the flames.

Bert

Vince wrote in message <8bgj7h$2d...@drn.newsguy.com>...

And you show that you mean what you say, show exactly how much your word is
worth, by going in to get in a few *more* digs.

Ain't you-know-who who has "Mad Cow disease." Go look in the mirror.

Tourette's Syndrome? Looked like Herman Munster? Tell me, Vinnie, do you
really think this kind of insulting bullshit belongs here on RSA?

And does it make you feel oh-so-powerful, give you a warm glow inside, to
spew this kind of crap when a person can't answer?

Are you *really* the kind of guy who gets his jollies out of kicking a man
when he can't fight back, and the going on and kicking him some more ... and
some more ...????

Ya know, Vinnie, you're a real asshole.

Bert

Vince wrote in message <8binqi$1...@drn.newsguy.com>...

>it's repetiveness). He's never going to stop and that's OK, just don't
listen or

>Vince "Sick lunatic perverted criminal dumb**** and proud of it " Walker

awww, see? Horvath's just a big softy.

ant

See? You're doing it again! Oh, the pain you must be in! You poor,
sensitive soul.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

Bert,

I am going to say this just once. If your friend wants to quit being an
object of derision then you tell him to quit posting here under his own
name or any other aliases that he comes up with until his time has
passed. His contempt towards our legal system is pretty damn disgusting
and there is absolutely no excuse or rationale for it. You would think
with your education as a attorney, you might be able to point out his
folly.

As far as your problems are concerned, I have had nothing or know
nothing about anything that has happened to you nor have I have any
comment as I don't know any of the circumstances (or want to know).
What I do know is that both sides have bent the truth beyond
recognition. The fact of the matter is the "other side" has largely
ceased harassing people here and when they do, they get called on it.
The big difference is that they are not posting in violation of a court
order and under the threat of a felony charge. If you don't know the
difference, well that explains a lot..... Have a nice day.

In article <8bl9ak$b5p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jvwa...@my-deja.com
wrote:

Vinnie. Read my lips. I am not Scott. You do not have a right
to slander Scott with horrible lies because I post. To do so is
morally repugnant, but moral repugnancy never bothered anyone who
is left on rsa, obviously. Clue time. If Scott wanted to post
here, Scott could go to the ACLU and have that illegal,
unconstitutional order overturned with ease. Scott does not want
to post to rsa, because Scott has nothing but contempt for the
people who are left on rsa. He loathes you. He does not
associate with people like you and your friends, in real life or
on line. He is not in denial about the people of rsa. They are
either scumbag liars or morally bankrupt losers who have no
objection to scumbag liars like you.

Your contempt for our legal system is pretty damn disgusting,
Vinnie. You apparently think death threats, slander,
mailbombing,
stalking, conspiracy to slander, horrible lies, making false
police reports, and perjury are very acceptable, and you excuse
and rationalize that behavior and associate with the people who
broke the law in that way. The harassment order was completely
based on perjured testimony. No wonder Scott has contempt for
the
judge, the cop, and every lying perjurer who was sick enough to
break the law to silence the voice of truth. No wonder Scott has
contempt for you, Walker.

I would hope that a psychiatrist might be able to point out your
folly, Walker. You truly are disturbed. You know the truth, yet
you deny the truth.

You don't want to know anything that brings you into touch with
reality?

Walker, you are a shameless liar. Scott never lied, told the
truth all the way. You rationalize your disgusting betrayal of a
friend and your pandering to bullies with the obvious,
ridiculous,
ludicrous lie. Show me any post where Scott threatened any of
the
Dweebs, Walker. You can't, because it doesn't exist.

This is another ludicrous lie, and you are a liar. In this
thread
alone, you make nice-nice with one of the most disgusting
harassers and harass Scott yourself. You really are insane,
Walker.

Sorry, Vinnie. I have no court order against me, and therefore
cannot be charged. You really are nuts if you think I am Scott.
I am much nicer than Scott.

You don't know the difference, Walker, and that explains a lot
about your character and mental disorders.

Bobaloobob

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In article <8binqi$1...@drn.newsguy.com>, Vince <

Once is once too much. What an evasive bunch of bullshit, in response to
being called on your *own* actions.

Only weak pathetic people resort to blaming, excusing, and evasiveness.
Vince, be a man. Be *accountable* and take *responsibility* for your *own*
actions. I realize that concepts like "responsibility" and accountability"
are foreign to you, but there is no time like the present to start to learn
them.

Fact is, *you* started a thread on RSA about off-RSA stuff, a private e-mail
you got from Scott Abraham. There was no need to do that. It was *your*
choice. And a foolish one. SO you could get some jabs in, then say "I've
learned my lesson, I won;t do that" and then get some *more* jabs in. And
encourage phonys like Rick Knowlan to join in on the merriment, poking at
someone who can't respond, to hold him up to public ridicule.

It's ironic that a fat boy like yourself would make Orson Wells jokes. It's
ironic that a person who can control a mental disorder through his meds
would make Tourette's Syndrome jokes. In bad taste, too. My friend George
Lynn, author of *Survival Strategies for Parents of Kids with ADD*, who is
struggling with educational-system responses to his son with TS, has a lot
to say about people like you. You might want to read his "Wyrd Kids and
Planetary Survival" (http://www.vix.com/menmag/wyrdkids.htm). I could make
comments about your manic phase kicking in with the full moon and it being
time to up your meds, but I won't.

A man of integrity? Send back the Selkirks and the other boards you got
through your former friend Scott at cost. I will buy them from you at the
same price you paid Scott, even if you've tromped them a lot. Or else be the
kind of person who takes gifts from them, then relishes in public displays
of bad-taste Orson Wells and Tourette's Syndrome jokes. The choice is yours.
I think I know how much integrity you have -- about as much as ButtDawg.

The point, again, is that *you* chose to post a bunch of stuff on RSA about
off-RSA stuff. You excuse and you whine -- and you whine that you don't know
or want to know about the constant, daily bombardment of harassment that I
received. (Nobody's off-RSA stuff belongs on RSA, you whine -- unless it's
Vinnie's, because Vinnie's shit don't smell. So it's fine for Vinnie to post
here about a private off-RSA e-mail, but not fine for anyone else.)

>passed. His contempt towards our legal system is pretty damn disgusting
>and there is absolutely no excuse or rationale for it. You would think

Oh, come on, Vinnie, stop being so obvious about being a two-faced
hypocrite. You lambasted me regularly, with totally uncalled-for insults and
totally uncalled-for comments about my psychological make-up, that Scott is
a decent guy and it's only *me* who led him astray through bad advice,
because I have some sort of Svengalian mesmerism over him, to lead the poor
child to make foolish decisions. And now you have the pure, unmitigated gall
to tell me to advise him, after making such a public spectacle about my
advising him in the past. The "other side" has not stopped the harassing - I
have not been here for months and months, and I am still harassed on almost
a daily basis.

And I don't know what the f*** you're talking about when you say that Scott
is flaunting the legal system, and when you so strongly imply that Scott is
posting here. If you have any proof of it, come forward.

In other words, Vinnie, put up or shut up.

In the meantime, send back those skis, for what they cost you. After all, if
Scott is such a despicable slime, you would certainly not want to be known
as someone who takes gratuities from such a slime, and certainly would not
want to be known as someone who accepts a gift discount, and then delights
in holding the man to public derision.

And take accountability and responsibility for your *own* actions. It is
*you, Vincent Walker, and nobody else, who chose to bring to RSA a that
non-RSA stuff. Quit the evasiveness, the whining, the blaming of others, and
own your *own* actions.

Bert
--
Bert H. Hoff

jvwa...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8bl9ak$b5p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>passed. His contempt towards our legal system is pretty damn disgusting
>and there is absolutely no excuse or rationale for it. You would think

>recognition. The fact of the matter is the "other side" has largely

>order and under the threat of a felony charge. If you don't know the

The courtroom scene was something else! Walfdron couldn't come up with any
posts that SAcott had been threatening. In fact, the judge threw Waldron's
case out and read him up one side and down the other, saying he had been as
instrumental in causing sand fomenting the flame war as he had been
victimized.

Actually, Waldron was the sock-puppet at the end of manipulative little Eric
Leonard's string. Leonard declined to file charges himself, of course --
he's to slimy for that. Instead, he set up Waldron for it. And during the
hearing of Waldron's case, Gleeful little Eric Leonard was jumping up and
down pulling out posts to show all these threats. He only came up with
three. One was from Rick Knowlan, who said he had been frightened by Scott's
posts. (So frightened, in fact, that four days later he offered to get
together with Scott and buy him a cuppa coffee if he were on the East
coast - Rick "forgot" about that follow-up when he posted here a week later
that he was so frightened.) In a second one, a man from B.C. publicly posted
here to say that little Eric Leonard was lying, and that little Eric Leonard
had no business making public representations about or for him. The third
was the imfamous psot that said if Scott and a snowboarder coming out of a
side hill collided, the snowboarder would lose. (Not bad odds, considering
Scott's 6'6" frame and his build.)

But Eric Leonard is really slimy. He did not file or seek protection. The
judge granted her order barring Scott from harassing Boots Hobbs or posting
on RSA. *After* the proceeding wsas over and the order issued, slimy little
Eric Leonard slithered up to the bench for an ex-parte hearing to modfy the
order (completely illegal under WA state procedures), and the judge monified
the order to enclude -- who else? -- Erric Leonnard! So slimy little bastard
Eric Leonard never had to testify, never had to pay the $110 fikling fee (he
got Boots and dummy Waldron to pay the fees), never got cross-examined, but
got the protective order. Pretty slick, Willie. Evrer think of running for
President?

The funniest sight was David "Boots" Hobbs with his silly little pig-tail. I
know about anal-retentive guys, and guys with ramrods stuck off their asses.
But I had never seen anything like this before. During a break, and David
"Boots" Hobbs didn't know anyone was looking, he walked down the hall and
around the corner to the drinking fountain. He made these little
mince-steps, like a Chinese foot-bound woman!

The most sickening sight was to see slime David "Boots" Hobbs" slithering
out of a back door to the judge's chambers, *prior* to the judge issuing her
order. He saw me see him coming out the "wrong door" and gave this
sickening, funny little "caught in the cookie jar" grin when he saw me. (One
of the parties meeting with the judge after the close of formal hearing and
during deliberations is a big "no-no")

And Waldron? He was *funny* to watch! He thought he was so devious, like his
testomony thsat he had seen Scott entering a bar in the Madison District.
(Scott celebrates his 11th year of recovery.) "Did he threaten you" "Well,
no." "Did Scott see you?" "I don't know - he doesn't know what I look like."
"So why are you telling us this?" the judge asked? That bit of testimony was
Waldron's only lucid moment in the hearing. Otherwise, he just sort of
blatherd and salivated, and got tongue-tied. Eric, the "good buddy" who out
Waldron up to the whole thing, jumped up and delivered all of Waldron's
testimony for him, conferring with Det. Shirey and pulling out all those
posts - which boiled down to the three phony thrests mentioned.

Waldron may come across as articulate here, when he thinks about his
writing. but is you ask him a questions with too many words in it, in real
life, and you can see a human being reduced to a blithering idiot in a fre
seconds. Don't take my word for it -- listen to the judge. The judge bought
all of Shirey's testimony, all the evidence that the bitch Anthea Kerrison
got into the court record through the work that she and Steve Liebreman and
others did through e-mail to SHirey. (Yes, I can document this. The judge
mistakenly gave me the evidence that Shirey presented, that was secret, that
Scott and I were not to know about, and never saw. It included a whole bunch
of e-mail from that bitch Anthea Kerrison.)

What with Anthea Kerrison's "secret testimony" to the judge (only known to
me because the judge gave the defendant back the plaintiff's evidence),
David "Boots" Hobb's secret meeting with the judge off the record before her
decision. Erik Leonard's illegal ex-parte hearing with the judge *after* the
judge issues an order, to modify it to include him and Anthea and other
people we don't know, there's no doubt that Waldron is the dupable dupe, and
that Eric Leonard and Anthea Kerrison are the evil, lying people.

bobaloobob wrote in message <006b96ac...@usw-ex0108-063.remarq.com>...

Accuracy was never your strong point, Bert, and I see you haven't changed. For
the record:

1. I had nothing whatsoever to do with the court case in Seattle. I was not
asked to contribute to it, I did not ask to be involved, and I had no contact or
correspondence about it with anyone involved while it was underway. If I had
been asked to become involved, I would have refused. I had nothing to
contribute.

2. Until I read your post above, I was unaware that any post purportedly written
by me was involved in the court case. I'm surprised that it wasn't mentioned by
someone before now. Are you sure of your facts, Bert? Did Leonard actually
produce such a post in court, or are you having a "senior moment"?

3. If someone did produce a post written by me as evidence as you described
above, it was either a forgery or has been reported out of context.

3. I have never offered to buy Scott "a cuppa coffee if he were on the East
coast", and I never will. In the interests of accuracy, I live on the West
coast.

Get your act together, Bert.

Rick Knowlan
----------------------------------------------------------
If you can't say something nice,
At least be accurate.
----------------------------------------------------------

Couple of factual errors here, Bert. I was cross-
examined by the respondent who insisted that I produce
a post where he had threatened someone. Said post had
respondent replying to X in typically colorful terms.
X has since informed me that he and respondent have
made up their differences and I have apologized to X
for bringing him into this tawdry mess.

As for myself, I never wanted nor sought a restraining
order, and would have had myself removed from said
restraining order except that I was in a hurry to get
to work, (novel thought there, eh Bertie?) and so I
didn't.

Furthermore I have yet to exercise my right to have
respondent banished from my other "place of work" nor
do I intend to. You see when the respondent swore
under oath that he would never harm anyone, I took
him at his word. I have no need of this order. Nor
any desire to exercise it's powers. In short I have
been charitable and exercised a great deal of
moderation.

I'd like to be able to say the same about you, but
obviously I can't. Welcome to Plonksville.

-EL

It certainly was you who were one of the very few to jump in on Vinnie's
bait-and-troll, to get in your petty little digs and snide remarks about
Scott Abraham, knowing that he could not respond. (People with any sense,
and any *real* interest in RSA as a community, avoided the thread, but you
just couldn't help yourself. "The devil made me do it!" if you're an old SNL
fan.)

But it was David Mann, the *other* phony who purports to speak as a "voice
of moderation" in this little zoo, who posted that Scott had threatened him,
then extended the offer for a friendly cuppa coffee. (See
http://www.vix.com/menmag/gagthre2.htm ) Yeah, petty, malicious little Eric
Leonard whipped out that post, out of the big stack of posts he had, when
Ted Waldron suddenly went tongue-tied and did his imitation of a blithering
idiot. Det. Shirey was clueless, but eager little Eric Leonard dove into the
file and tried to wave David Mann's post around. Yeah, it was quoted out of
context - Leonard whipped out the threat post and being the man of integrity
that he was, conveniently "forgot" about the next post, where Mann admitted
deliberately trolling Scott to get a reaction.
============
You want an apology? Here it is.

I intentially baited you and manipulated you. I knew I
could provoke you. My intention was to make you mad and to
hurt you. I'm sorry for the pain it has caused you.

In my defense, now you have a clue what Raitman felt like.
...
You have both of your wishes Scott. In fact, all three.
I have apologized for as much I can.
I will be going back down to periscope depth soon and will "get off your
back" as you wish.
And I tell you what... If you ever get out east, I'll buy you coffee and I
will give you the chance that you ask for and we can talk about this stuff
face to face. Just e-mail me.
===========

Earlier, Mann had said, "In the good ol' days, we could settle this by
putting each other in killfiles. 'Tell your sys admin to install tin.' A
technocratic answer that is meaningless to the new commercial newbie."

To which Scott responded,
> In the good old days, I could challenge your cowardly ass to a duel.
> There are times I long for the code of the West: I assure you that you
> would learn some manners and etiquette quite quickly.

Mann, of course, then whined that he had been threatened, and that he was so
disturbed about it that he archived the post.

You get the context? Manipulative little Eric Leonard brought to court only
one little piece of that entire transaction. And Mann, the "great moderator"
who seeks peace on RSA, came back here a year and a half after his apology
and offer for a friendly cuppa, to tell people here that Scott had
threatened him. His words? "Can you define "threatened someone"? Here are
snippets from 2 posts made by Scott and directed to me. I am sure that he
(and you) will deny that they are threatening. I found them to be disturbing
enough to archive."

Duh ......

So you're right, it was Mann, not you, who came up with that phony bologna
in his role as "voice of moderation." I apologize for the error. All you
did, with your "voice of moderation," was be one of the *very* few to fall
for Vinnie's weak, pathetic little troll to gleefully get in your snide
comments.

Sometimes I get my two-faced hypocrites mixed up. They all start to look
alike after a while. Sorry about that.

Try it sometime, RIck. For example, in your last two posts:

(Mad Cow disease, indeed! Is that nice? Is that accurate? Or do you only
preach? Have you considered "walking the walk" as an alternative to "talking
the talk"?

and

Please point out for me something in that last one, that is either nice or
accurate. Or is your tag-line something that you only require of *others*,
not yourself. Have you heard of the concepts of "responsibility" and
"accountability"? Or "practice what you preach"? Or are you only good at the
preaching part?

Rick Knowlan wrote in message <38DEFC55...@home.com>...

>3. I have never offered to buy Scott "a cuppa coffee if he were on the
East

You're right about a couple of factual errors -- but they're BIG, DOCUMENTED
factual errors on YOUR part. You were never sworn in as a witness. You
*could not* have been cross-examined. It was tongue-tied Waldron, doing his
blithering-idiot imitation, and then Det. Shirey, who was cross-examined to
produce evidence of a threat. You're so slimey and clever, that you never
even appeared as a witness. You were just gleefully hopping around the
courtroom and diving into your collection of posts, to feed stuff to Det.
Shirey. When the judge asked Det. Shirey for specific posts about threats,
she was tongue-tied and vague. "Well, he threatened ... or it sounded
threatening ..." and the judge was unimpressed. But good ole Eric Leonard
slithered up to Det. Shirey and handed her post after post. She would scan
the post (obviously unprepared, obviously never having seen them before)
and say "well, he said" ... and you would hop in to start reading the post.
In fact, the judge told you to shut up a couple of times. You'd hand the
"killer post" to Det. Shirey when *she* was cross-examined to produce a post
of a threat.

But stop lying to the people, slime Eric. You were never a witness and you
were never cross-examined.

For the record, I was not a witness in the case, either. I was doing exactly
the same thing for my "side" that you were doing for your "side," being a
resource to provide information to the parties and witnesses in the case.

You're kidding me! The proceeding was *over*! Scott had the order in his
hand and we were packing up to leave the courtroom. You were in a hurry to
go to work? The judge was on overtime, and missing her lunch (she was to get
back to her role as King County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney that afternoon)
and I was late to my own work. The clerk had stopped the recording and had
packed up to go. It was *then* that you slithered up to the bench to get the
judge to *modify* the order she had already signed, sealed and delivered, to
include *you* in it. Have you listened to those tapes that Scott
Horseshitter obtained so that people could hear from a neutral source what
happened? It's *not* on the tapes. It's not on the original order. You are a
hand-written add-in, at your whiney-little-own request. Problem is, your
lies about this are *documented*. In a court proceeding, at that. A matter
of public record. Not that has ever kept you from lying.

Would have had yourself removed? After the order was granted, you worked
hard to make sure that you and the bitch Anthea Kerrison were *included* in
it.

Suppose you'll ever stop lying, Eric?

Throckey wrote in message <_3ED4.7315$Og6.1...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>...

Actually, it's from The Flip Wilson Show.

Pops

Pure Pork.

www.kpig.com

Vail - Travis T. Hipp skis there

> Oops, my mistake.

Gracious apology accepted.
--
Rick Knowlan
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Which villain was that?
They all look the same to me.
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Yes but did you ever know it as KFAT? ;-)

Penny S
>

Too much Pork for just one Fork, Pass the apple pie.
-Southern Culture on the Skids-

Roast Pork, Sauerkraut, Apple Sauce, Scalloped Potatoes, Dressing!

MMMMMMMMMM! That's Gud eatin'.

Vince Walker

> Oh, poor, poor Vinnie!

Oh, poor, poor Bertie! First his overfed catamite goes crazier than a
shithouse rat. Then he commits the biggest blunder in the history of flame
wars on usenet by actually *leaving a fucking voicemail message on my
answering machine*. Then he goes ballistic in court when his previously
mentioned boy-toy gets bitch slapped by lady justice.

To make things worse, he's found that the bottom is dropping out of the
touchy-feely male menstruation sylvan excursion business. Alas. Poor Bert,
indeed.

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Bwahahahhahahahaha!

Well then, Boobsie, let me paraphrase MC Choice:

"You an' Scott stick together like you're fuckin' each other!"

So Scha^H^H^H^H Boobie, you never did answer my question about your
sphincter conditioning program. Is it ready for a lengthy trip up the
river?

So that's why he's doing it illegally. Lots of character there.
And what happens when he starts?? Hmmmm, you show up with your
usual bag of garbage.

And just when you think this newsgroup is returning to sanity...

Plonk.

--

Tom Geldner - Mammoth
High Priest - Church of the Essene Chowder
Visit http://www.xor.cc for cyber clothez

You know damn well that what you say is untrue. Don't go around accusing
*others* of lying, just because you turned out to be a twitchy-faced,
inarticulate, blithering fool in the courtroom and had the judge hand you
your head on a platter.

Nothing I said was true? You*did* get that restraining order for which you
petitioned? Was I asleep when that happened? Ted, you're a loser - and you
have a court order "Petition denied" to prove it.

And one of the posts that "you" produced on cross-examination (you were in
some strange never-neverland space, so you may not remember what your
evidence was) said:

It is in the record, lame Ted. And as you recall (if you could remember
anything from the proceeding), one of the judge's grounds was that Scott
did, in fact (lawfully) possess a weapon.

All I did was point out the *context* of that post introduced into evidence,
and point out that it was that phony, David Mann, who made that post.

And speaking of apologies, Ted, are you yet willing to apologize to me, here
on RSA, for your comments that I sodomize my step-son? Yes, I made an
apology in November. I guess that's major difference between me and a
low-life slime like you. I do make apologies. You just make wild-ass,
irresponsible statements, and the concepts of apology, accountability and
responsibility are totally foreign to you.

Did you *hear* what the judge said to you as she pinned your ears back? When
she said in the public forum, for the public record, that you were a major
*instigator* of the flame-war stuff here on RSA?

You say I am "whining"? Do you have a clue *why* the judge did not grant
your order, the one that your slime-friend Eric Leonard got you to file and
pay for, after you whine to the police on two separate occasions? In that
entire sordid episode, you were the only one who went to the police, who had
us taxpayers pay out to have officers visit you and Scott on one occasion,
and hear you whine in the precinct headquarters on another occasion. And
what was the result of all the whining you did, and all the money you paid
out? The judge told you to blow it out your ass, that you did more to
*instigate* and to *inflame,* than you suffered as a whiney victim. Even
with a Seattle Police Department Detective in your corner (which *very
rarely* happens in harassment orders in a court of inferior jurisdiction),
it was *you,* not *Scott* that the judge lit into.

I know how much you need to duck reality, and how disconnected from reality
you really are. I saw it when I met you in the courtroom, and I was totally
amazed. Your imitation of a functioning human being was really quite
pathetic. And only someone with your skills and talents could snatch defeat
from the jaws of victory the way you did, with a Seattle Police Department
detective at your side, and two documented complaints. The judge pegged you
for what you are, a loser, gave you a court order to prove it.

By the way, I'm still waiting for that apology.

ted wrote in message ...

>Bert,
>
> Just for the record, can you please stop making false and very misleading
>accusations about the above people and events in the past. None of the
>above ever happened. You also made these similar accusations before in
>November, in this forum in which you apologise already. David Mann had
>nothing to do with the hearing, nor was any of his posts were involved. I
>do not know what is your problem, but if you want to whine and pout, do
your
>tantrum on your website, or perhaps look in the deja archives, and see that
>you already apologise for the above rant in November after the hearing.
>
>
>ted
>
>
>
>

Yes, ma'am. Were you livin' 'round these parts back then? It was a sad
day when the FAT stopped flowin' and was replaced with KWSS (k-wuss!).
I only have one question for you:

"Will you be ready at the plate when Jesus throws the ball?"

--
terry
former fathead

You think Vinnie's whining and bringing off-RSA stuff here onto RSA is a
return to sanity? You think that this thread that Vinnie started, the one
in which you're responding, is a "return to sanity"? You and I have quite
different ideas about "sanity."

Saying someone is doing something illegal is a serious charge. You're
prepared to back it up, I suppose ...

Reverend Bump wrote in message ...

Yup, you said you'd learned your lesson -- guess that's why you just keep on
plugging away, keep on flaming away, getting in all those little digs ...

Vince wrote in message <8bo1dm$1s...@drn.newsguy.com>...

Flaming away and joining in on the flaming that Vinnie started feel good,
David? Feel good to flame away at someone who can't respond?

david mann wrote in message <8bns9t$994$1...@isn.dac.neu.edu>...

Kind of feels good to flame away at other people, doesn't it, Penny?
Especially if they can't respond.

Thanks for sharing your petty side.

Penny S. wrote in message <8bnvqv$153n$1...@hardcore.ivn.net>...

Guess you couldn't resist biting on Vinnie's baiting and trolling, either.

terry morse wrote in message
<270320001026483676%tmorse.r...@terrymorse.com>...

I miss KFAT. Best thing after KSAN went weenie. Lousy signal, though.
Had to actually put up a real antenna.

Let's see, now. OK, I got it. ObSki - I could have mounted the antenna
on my probe poles (connected as probes) for more altitude and even
better reception. But I didn't.

Those Selkirks on the way back yet? Or do you plan on keeping the gift
of the huge discount, and still keep hammering away?

WebMaster, MenWeb
http://www.vix.com/menmag/
MenWeb Men's BBS news://news.annexcafe.com/annexcafe.men.mensbbs

Vince wrote in message <8bobes$2j...@drn.newsguy.com>...

Scott? Held up to *public ridicule*? Scott?

If it walks like a duck, rants like a duck, and has the same bizarre
personal obsessions as a duck, it's a duck, Bert.

Maybe you secretly desire to join him in the same prison cell.

So you think it's just fine that Vinnie coomes in and starts flaming away?

And you have some sort of proof that Scott has been posting here? Oh, I
forgot, little matters like proof has never deterred you from throwing out
wild accusations. You're so typical, so predictable ...

Buy friends with lift tickets? Saving someone a handful of bucks isn't
enough to buy friends. Besides, we know from experience here that people
don't get "bought" - they take the hundreds of dollars of benefit, then turn
around and attack. So ButtDawg can have his Selkirks, pocket a few hundred
bucks in savings, and flame away. And Vinnie, I guess, plans on keeping the
Selkirks and the Olin Radiuses he got at cost, pocket many hundreds of bucks
in savings, and make his comments calling someone *else* an Orson Wells, be
friendly with the very people who flamed him about his mental disorder and
make Tourette Syndrome comments about Scott.

It's called having your cake and eating it, too.

And you eat it big-time, just like Vinnie and ButtDawg.

Dave Stallard wrote in message <38DFD43E...@bbn.com>...

How do you simmer cornbread?

Redneck hot fudge sauce: Mix a dollop of brownie mix with only enough water
to make it stick together. Nuke for no more than 20 seconds. Pour over ice
cream. Or eat with a spoon, whatever!

ObSki: It won't replace ski wax.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*****************************************
"Don't force it, use a bigger hammer!"
--M. Irving

Penny S

Them's were the days. I was a Palo Alto feller back then (still am).
Not an espresso machine in sight. There was a time when the Fatfry live
shows were at the Keystone Palo Alto. That place is now a "dance club"
for the tattoo crowd.

The new KPIG station signal covers about a 100 foot radius in Santa
Cruz, so we're out of luck.

-terry

Terry If you ever made it to the Rio in Rodeo for a show, you're my kinda
guy. But we better quit lest someone wants us to explain whutinthell we are
talking about!!

Penny

I'm following you. I used to tune into KFAT during US 101 road trips in
the 70s. The "Garlic Capital of the World" was also home of one of the
finest, if lowest powered, radio stations ever. The signal usually
lasted for about twenty minutes as I drove through.

Bob

Vail - all hits, all the time

Bobaloobob

In article <U8JMJW053661...@anonymous.poster>,
Wi...@wol.be (Anonymous remailer) wrote:
>Bert <no...@given.com> raved to an ever shrinking audience as all
>over the country the gentle PLONK of killfiles reverberates...>

>Get with the program. He returned those to Schatty a loong way
ago.
>
>Where you been, Berty? Rumor had it you landed yourself a job.
>Wow, you got to contribute a mite to the family table. I take it
>the job is gone? So you came back to all your friends.
>
>I just wonder where Boob Job Bob is now. I guess you both are
here
>to destroy a public discussion forum, again.
>
>
>#$^%$&%%
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hmmm! And if you mixed in some liquor, kahlua would be nice, or a sweet
spirity one like southern comfort....that'd be really nice. Actually, just
about anything and ice cream is nice...(except pork).

ant

Bev wrote in message <38DFF146...@ktb.net>...

With butter on the cornbread......and maybe a little honey.
Ya no?
RL

oh my, and a big Control K, (plonk's hot key)
another useful one is "delete from server", its an email option that my
email client has.
Peace is but a key stroke away.
RL

Those were Olin Apexes that ButtDawg sent back, not Selkirks. I'm really
enjoying them.

But he's still hanging on to the Seth Morrisons, keeping the gift even while
he gets his digs, insults and lies in. (Broken kitchen chair, indeed!)

That's just the kind of guy that ButtDawg is.

Sorta sneaky and devious, deceptive and dishonest as you hide behind that
anonymous remailer.

Just the kind of bastard, for example, that would delight in harassing me
every single day In Real Life for the last six months. I just got a letter
from the advertising department of a major national magazine, regretting
that they could not fulfill one of my "requests" for information. Yup,
you're just the kind of bastard who would forge my name to a lot of
"requests for information" so I could be harassed with phone calls and a
flood of junk mail. Guess e-mail-bombing me was not enough, and that the
need for vengence is so strong that you have to keep it up long, long after
the court case was over and long, long after I stopped posting here.

Anonymous remailer wrote in message ...

You know, I really appreciated the offer, and don't see anything
nefarious about it. I woulda taken him up on it, except I have this
deep-seated reluctance to have any real-life dealings at all with
anyone on either side of this sh*tstorm.

'nuff said.

BW