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Posted 10/03/2008 22:33:08


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The AFP7, I have use one of these on an overclocked pentium D (you dont get much hotter than that) once the fan slows down its inaudiable and never spins up even at load keeps the PD just under 60C and thats when the computer is next to a radiator.



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Posted 11/03/2008 08:36:24


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I'll concede that based on your collective experience that the ACF7 probably operates quieter than the review may indicate and may well be quiet enough for the OPs needs. I apologise as I must not be making my arguement clear as I am not saying the ACF7 is a bad cooler - just that more expensive ones can and do operate cooler and quieter. If you guys don't agree with that then I'm afriad we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

Matt,  perhaps you'd do us the courtesy of actually listening to and understanding what we are telling you

Keith, I come on this forum to voluntarily help people where I can and point out both the positives and negatives of things so they can make the most informed decision. If what I say sparks discussion and debate then all the better as I learn more as does the OP and anyone else who reads that particular thread. This is how I've learnt so much in the past 18 months or so. I do not come on here to be spoken to in the manner you have above. Those comments are in no way a part of the debate at hand or constructive and are simply derogatory towards myself. I'd be grateful if you'd refrain from making any such comments in future.

Cheers, matt

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Posted 11/03/2008 12:39:19


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I think your input has been invaluable, Matt.

It helps to show the differing opinions between items when hurriedly reviewed by people doing the job because they're paid to and those using the hardware on a day-to-day basis and finding out how it really performs in a real-world situation.

It's very similar to the ATI vs nVidia argument. On paper, nVidia appear to be the clear winners. In the real-world, most people who've actually used ATI cards over any length of time and have learned how to drive them properly will tell you that they are the indisputable winners.

Now it's my turn to sound like a broken record...

I'm not saying that the ACF7Pro is the best there is but, in reality, how much quieter does the fan on any aftermarket HSF need to be when it's already inaudible in a media centre PC when compared to the sound of a hard drive spinning? If the CPU is staying within a few degrees of ambient temperature at the same time then the HSF is obviously more than up to the job. Anything else would be overkill.

If the OP was building a machine to be specifically used as a media centre then I'd probably recommend underclocking a C2D CPU to a maximum of 1.5GHz (more than enough) and running the ACF7Pro fanless. It works. I know. I've tried it.

It turns out that the OP actually wants a system almost identical to the one I have in terms of uses and performance and, under those circumstances, when used with intelligent fan speed control, the ACF7Pro is effectively silent for media centre usage and far less noisy than a stock Intel cooler when gaming. If the OP decides to spend more money than is necessary to get the job done then that's his prerogative. It's his money.

Cheers, Slipstreem.



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Posted 11/03/2008 12:56:30
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I'll concede that based on your collective experience that the ACF7 probably operates quieter than the review may indicate and may well be quiet enough for the OPs needs.

theres an awful lot of may/probably/may in that statement. We have all stated that the freezer pro WILL satisfy the OP's needs.

  I apologise as I must not be making my arguement clear as I am not saying the ACF7 is a bad cooler - just that more expensive ones can and do operate cooler and quieter. If you guys don't agree with that then I'm afriad we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

Where have we disputed that point?. What we are saying is that the Freezer Pro and AK965 will provide all the cooling that the OP requires. The OP said he wants a quiet(ish) pc NOT a SILENT one. To this end , the fact that there is a budget of £550 means that spending any more money on a more expensive HSF is a complete waste of money. In this case , more money spent on a quieter graphics card would be a better place to spend money than on a more expensive HSF.

Matt,  perhaps you'd do us the courtesy of actually listening to and understanding what we are telling you

Keith, I come on this forum to voluntarily help people where I can and point out both the positives and negatives of things so they can make the most informed decision. If what I say sparks discussion and debate then all the better as I learn more as does the OP and anyone else who reads that particular thread. This is how I've learnt so much in the past 18 months or so. I do not come on here to be spoken to in the manner you have above. Those comments are in no way a part of the debate at hand or constructive and are simply derogatory towards myself. I'd be grateful if you'd refrain from making any such comments in future.

Matt, we all come on here to voluntarily help people. The difference with this sub forum though is that we are recommending other people to spend there own hard earned cash. It is easy to throw in comments such as there are 'more expensive better coolers about' . You aren't the person who is spending the money though.At no stage have you recommended a cooler that the OP should buy instead,nor have you suggested which other parts of the build he should cut back on in order to fund your more expensive fan. 

  Its not just me who has said that the freezer Pro would suit the OP and after multiple posts from me and others, you were still saying that the OP should buy something else and that the freezer Pro was noisy. As an aside , in the review that you were basing all your comments on , they were driving the fan via a dc supply with a voltage regulator on it, this is not how anybody installing the fan in a computer would be using it as they would be taking advantage of the PWM fan control on the mobo's. Having defended the freezer Pro , I still state though that I would recommend the akasa AK-965 as I consider it to be better than the freezer pro, not from a 2 year article but from personal experience of using both coolers.

  We were talking from first hand experience and you continued to state secondhand, 2 year old information on hardware from 2 years ago as fact.You have no experience with using the Freezer Pro and assume that because the review says its noisy running flat out, that the fan will be running flat out most of the time , thereby making the system noisy.Slippy and Dave and myself have all pointed out to you that the fan in normal operation on overclocked curent (i.e C2d and C2Q) sytems runs very slowly and that the noise output is negligible. By ignoring that information , you are being discourteous and effectively saying that we don't know what we are talking about. Hence , I stand by my point that you should have the courtesy to listen and learn from what we are telling you.

 I apologise if my wording was blunt, but you weren't taking any notice of what we were telling you.The OP also made no reference as to whether he would be overclocking . If non overclocked, and intel speedstep enabled then as Slippy has already pointed out ,the fan noise output would be negligible.

Cheers,

Keith.


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Posted 11/03/2008 14:06:17


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If the OP decides to spend more money than is necessary to get the job done then that's his prerogative. It's his money.

My point exactly Slip. All I'm trying to do is point out there are quieter and cooler options out there if he thinks its worth it. If depends on how badly he wants a silent pc. I'm a stickler for having a quiet PC so what I consider an irritating hum others may consider quiet. Similarly, its why I've got an expensive hi-fi, because I can hear the difference in quality and I get enjoyment out of it everyday. To some people that would seem ridiculous and they would strongly argue that a £50 stereo is more than adequate.

Keith, you are talking in your summarising comments as if I haven't already conceded that you guys are probably right about the ACF7 Pro and how quiet it is. I use the terms 'probably' and 'may' as like I have said and you yourself have reminded me, I have no personal experience with an ACF7 Pro, so I cannot say for absolute certain.

You aren't the person who is spending the money though.At no stage have you recommended a cooler that the OP should buy instead

The reason I am making this whole arguement, again as I've pointed out in an earlier post, is so that the OP doesn't unwittingly buy a ACF7 Pro and find its noisier than he would like. I also included several links in one of my earlier posts to recommended quiet components that he could consider. Again, as I have said before, I'm doing this just so he's aware of all the facts before he parts with his cash - and as I said in my previous post, the ensuing debate has no doubt enlighted him as it has me. No he hasn't mentioned overclocking but he wants to keep his rig for 3 years so to me it seems inevitable he'll want to overclock it at some point if it gets him a potentially large, free upgrade.

I'll say this again Keith just so we're clear. I concede that you're probably right about the ACF7 Pro and that it will meet the OPs needs. But then I said that in my last post, as well as many other things I've had to repeat for you here, so maybe you should follow your own advice and listen.

Cheers, matt

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Posted 11/03/2008 14:49:31
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I'll say it again Matt, you are concentrating on the HSF , I have been looking at the system as a whole...I.e what the OP is actually purchasing. I have built a system using the guts of my recommendation 2 weeks ago and it is only audible with 18 inches.The noise output I am talking about and what my recommendation is based on is what i can physically hear from a computer sat next to me.Not a complete guess pulling figures out of the air.

Dave has already pointed out that the case fans on the LC13 case are going to be noisy,the graphics card is also going to be noisy.concentrating on the HSF is not where noise elimination will be most effective.

Cheers,

Keith.


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Posted 11/03/2008 15:10:09


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Dave has already pointed out that the case fans on the LC13 case are going to be noisy,the graphics card is also going to be noisy.concentrating on the HSF is not where noise elimination will be most effective.

I know, Slip has already commented on this after I said maybe a 3rd party HSF isn't necessary; citing that the ACF7 will do the same cooling as the stock intel but quieter. I'm focusing on the HSF because thats what we were discussing.

I agree the case fans will create noise and either a new case or removing the fans altogether will help solve it. The fans that you put in a case make a big difference to noise and cooling: hence the link in my earlier post to a roundup of good fans. I also included a roundup of quiet PSUs.

The graphics card can also be noisy but it depends on the card and cooler attached to it. Exhaust fan coolers can be noisier because fans that blow directly downwards inside the case are muffled by the case itself. Again like the CPU HSF, you can buy 3rd party HSFs that are quieter and/or cool better, but again its a personal choice: does the noise from it bother you enough to warrant the spend?

Cheers, matt

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Posted 11/03/2008 15:34:05


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I've just carried out an experiment that you may find interesting.

As you can see from my sig, I have an E4300 running at 2.83GHz with the ACF7Pro fitted. The only other fan in my PC is the 12cm one inside the PSU which is under thermal control and barely ever spins at more than a tickover.

I decided to see how hot the CPU would get running the ACF7Pro fanless whilst running the Orthos stress test hammering both CPU cores with Gromacs cores. CPU temperature measurements were made with CoreTemp Beta 0.94. Intel SpeedStep and thermal-throttling are enabled in the BIOS and CPU-Z version 1.39 was used to check for thermal-throttling. Room temperature was 21degC according to my Mercury thermometer.

The CPU temperature rose sharply initially to 50degC and then climbed steadily for the next 8 minutes until finally settling at 67degC. CPU-Z clearly showed that no thermal-throttling was taking place so this must