FSM Program Seriously Crushed?

Does anyone else know of this?

He told me people like Barry Klein, Tony Falcarro, Pat Mooney, The
Serrocco's are all no longer FSMing. These people used to do this as a full
time job! (Day AND night).

I asked why, and he said he thought it was after Golden Age of Tech, they
were not allowed to work in the orgs (They used to be there full time), and
also they'd seriously cut the FSM commissions. Now, apparently, they only
get paid when the person starts, and even then, only part of it. (They used
to get the full commission as soon as the check was written).

IF anyone knows more of this, can you please fill me in?

Amazing, OSA>>>>>you all reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally know how to implode things,
don't ya? Those people were FSMing most of their adult lives!

The full implosion is near.........thanks to all that OSA is doing to crush
it.
To Scios "in"....if you are thinking of leaving, remember LRH's
FINAL PL:

They Way Out

IS
The
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeearest

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooor!!!!

((Hey! HE took it, why not you?))

Call me when you get out :)

--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out for 4 years and 6 months
For thinking and speaking my mind, I am:
Declared SP and Expelled from C of S
(SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster)
Free at LAST!
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mag...@charter.net
"They that can give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Burbank, CA
(818) 841-3632

Dang...I had discussed this eventuality with our mutual
acquaintance Jimbo Kalergis in the lobby of the Fort Homicide
Hotel back in 1986...as I was being reverse processed to near
oblivion by the jerks at the CMO etc. I told Jimbo then that
this mess would hit the wall in 2002 to 2003...and that I was
sorry Id have to wait so long to see justice... He lied to me
at the time and said 'you are the only person Ive ever seen
have trouble at flag'

Not impressive. I knew better at the time... the place was a
snake pit.

Jimbo no longer returns my calls... but we have both seen
justice unfolding...if Jimbo was shilling for slatkin he might
even see the grey bar hotel side of justice.

Some one should call the flag reps at AOLA and ask how its
hangin for em these days? Id hazard a guess that Gretta and
waz his name, havent been at AOLA in a decade.. a flag rep
would starve there now with flag graduating 5 people a month
from a world wide pool of cooked meat.

Come to think about the flag stat says it all... with flag,
the boat and CC stats combined would not support one good FSM
to plush levels...much less the 10 or 15 that use to be
around..some making over 200k a year.

Now those that were hosed by these lying aggressive self
righteous conn men at least get this closure as the
organization goes down the tubes...

... some of us got enough money back to reverse the worst of
the damage...others are still hung out to dry and thousands
ruined beyond belief with no closure or healing due to family
separations, deaths of loved ones, and everything they had
stolen...homes, businesses, life savings etc.

Most of this crime as Hubbard looked on raking in the cash...

so much for his beneficence. I am glad that I wrote him a
letter assigning him the condition of *treason while I was
still in...(the Way to Happiness book came out about 6 months
later, Hubbard said it was 'his amends project' without
further elaboration)... maybe thats why they hated me and did
the reverse processing... these people tried to ruin anyone
who challenged the conn.

There was Mike Smith, and Mike Phillips (a grease ball and a
half) and Jimbo Kalergis too...and that ultra arrogant husband
and wife team of flag registrars at AO ... all gone now
apparently.

From the look of it, the money is gone now too...David
Miscarriage has probably stashed a few hundred million... I
wonder if he will try to escape now. As this keeps on going
south and he hangs around some very upset people might try to
take what they were ripped off for out of his hide.

It sure would be good to know where he was going to surface
next and picket him there with bullhorns.

Phil Scott

Take a look at the money done by these top FSMs:

http://www.xenufrance.net/scientology-fsms-profits-q3a-c-i.pdf

That could be because the scam gets more and more refund demands and so,
they prefer to avoid paying an FSM Commission and being unable to refund
it...

Like if you are someone selling prodcts for a company who produces shit
products, and are paid only if the c client dies before asking his refund!!

roger

This person told me "The only two left that he knew of were Wendy and
Joanne.....at AOLA".
There may be a few more, but he specifically said Barrry (Biggest $ maker
for years) and Tony were out selling non-Scio stuff last he knew. My FSM:
Tom Sorocco I ran into here in Burbank,,,,,,,,,,,,he's running a
telemarketing rooom, and told me "Tory, you KNOW I cannot hire you" (Years
ago, when I first got out). I told him saying that was against the
law....and left. Now his wife, Ronitte isn't FSMing anymore, per this
person.

Jeeeeeeeeeesh...WAY TO GO OSA and DM!!!!

T

Perhaps some inquiries , Tory or Phil, you may be able to fill us in.

Ida
SP82

lermanet.com
xenu.net

That was the point..............he said "It's a ghost town...they've all
left!"

I said, "You HAVE to be kidding" ...as this was a HUGE avenue for their $$$$
(as the FSM's basically "Handled" people and got them back paying, and on
the Bridge). He said, "No...........long ago they put in they're not allowed
in the orgs."
Tooooooooo much!

I was wondering as I've driven by there and one used to often see them
outside talking (hoping to reg) people. Now? There are almost no people
there (Complex, AOLA I'm referring to, but really all orgs compared to days
gone by)..................and I haven't seen any FSMs in years outside.

Gretchen didn't really "Hire" FSMs Mom. They used to be 'invited". Guess the
party's over, eh? LOL................Frankly I haven't seen her, or her
husband in years, but they *may* be lurking inside the Flag bureau where
they used to do tons of Regging, back in the hay day. It must be VERY hard
for Reg's these days.

Too much, eh?

These guys reeeeeeeeeeeeeally know how to make a place boom, eh?
(Let's see: They've Nailed the FSM's--their top $$ makers, they're Nailing
the WISE people--also their big $$$, they've nailed the Field auditors who
used to get people ready to go into the orgs.................and obviously
they jacked up the prices years ago to make the "Bridge" too expensive for
most.......and there's always their best friends they've assisted in growing
by screwing with free speech: ARS and the Internet. Let's not forget their
endless "Clear Checks" now: Serious Out tech!))

For those lurking, the nearest door was LRH's Final Pl. I highly suggest if
you're sick of the "Clear Checks", out tech, general CRAP from DM and
gang...........take the door. The vast majority of your old friends have
been out for years now, and most are out now anyways! :)

Tory/Magoo~~

Love that Ida......SP 82! You certainly are it!! :)
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Ida...I get a lot my info by just calling em on the phone...
turn over is so high that the current person at reception has
no clue why I might be asking such jaunty little
questions...... I make several calls probing for disparity in
the replies... then I visit the org in the case of SF and AOLA
get the tour and see who's there and what level of 'service's
they are offering.

Actually I was surprised by Tory's post re so many top level
FSM's no longer active... that almost says it all.

It must be OVERTS... DM needs to send thugs out after the
FSM's now and put em in the razor wire ringed compound in
Hemet for security checks, challenges to their clear status,
and heavy fines for suppressing scientology by ceasing to sell
services.... then declare them suppressive if they dont
sell... no problem if these old farts leave... he as some
cadet org kids that know all about how wonderful scientology
is and can start running the stress test tables and yellow
tents.

While this is ramping up he needs to get Bryan Zwann to sign a
lease contract on the super power building for 4 million
dollars a month so he can take it to the bank and borrow 50
million dollars travelin' money.

I think I will call a few of my old scientology business
friends and see how many are getting a clue. A few havent
yet. The brainwash ran deep. Those who dont surf the web are
often isolated and have no idea whats going on.

Phil Scott

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Gretchen and Fred Schwartz, Flag Service Consultants posted at
AOLA.

Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
"Scientology: it's about deception."
http://warrior.xenu.ca

Long standing Hubbard policy on the subject of FSM commissions
was to pay the full commission on the whole "package" when the
first service was started. If the orgs are not doing it this way any
longer it is probably due to the fact that 1) they are insolvent, 2)
their "resign line is out", 3) they are making repayments and/or
refunds, so are losing more money than originally received, and 4)
Scientology is run by a bunch of "squirrels" anyway, so Miscavige
has allowed or ordered yet another policy to be "squirrelled". All
in all, I take this as a very good sign that the orgs are collapsing
financially.

Warrior - Certified Sea Org Finance Specialist
http://warrior.xenu.ca/19760728seaorgfinspec.jpg
"Scientology: it's about deception." - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.xenu.ca

Gretchen and Fred Schwartz, Flag Service Consultants posted at
AOLA.

Warrior - Sunshine disinfects

http://warrior.xenu.ca

Ida
Sp82

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/psychiatric-times-1991.htm#roots
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
xenu.net

Bear in mind that the 'Orgs' collapsing financially doesn't tell us
anything about the 'Church' collapsing, since the orgs are merely the
'downlines' for the cult.

Scientology won't go broke; it's got too much stashed away. It will go
bust; when enough people look at it closely.

Zinj

--
Scientology is brilliant in not only sneaking in pavlovian conditioning
(along with the hypnotic elements), but also demanding that Polly
provide his *own* cracker! Unique! Brilliant! Efficient! Thank you Ron!

Well said Ida!

Susan

Is this a different person than Fred Swartz?

Ed

I am not sure that this is what it appears to be. Klein, Pirak and
others made their money, for the most part, from reg Commissions (not
FSM Commissions) they were basically being paid as commission salesmen.
This area has been ripe for abuse for a long long time and,
peridocially, someone gets their panties in a bunch about it.

The way it worked is that, for example, the FSCs would have a big but
tough reg cycle (flag was ther most affected by this because it has the
biggest dollar amount packages) - a public who needs some sales work
and probably some financial assistance, however the public already has
an FSM, someone who has 'selected" the prospect. Now it may be that the
FSM is no sales person, they are quite content to wait until the
prospect gets some money a few months down the road. But the regges
(and the FSO) want the money now. If Klein or some other 'fsm' helps
them reg the guy qand get the money IN then that is great - the problem
is, of course, that Klein canot get the FSM Commission. Plus the fact
that the FSMC would not be paid out until the prospect started he
service which for Flag reg cycles could be a year or more away.

The solution was to call someone like Klein "a remote reg" because in
the CBOs (or FSO;s not sure which one) there was a provision to give a
remote reg commission for entities like the Tours Orgs in the FOLOs.
This Klein could get a 5% commish on the sale immediately - no need to
worry about ripping off the real FSM and no need to worry about getting
the prospect to the starting gate.

This sounds like the person you were talking to has two different
things mixed up to be frank. FSM Commissions have always only been paid
a) when the person starts the first service of the package selected for
or b) re-signs up for more services while taking the services selected
for. AFAIK the policy has never changed on that. As I described above
the "reg commissions" are something different.

This whole practice has led to enormous problems from the seventies
until (it sounds like) the present day.

First of all there really isn't any policy for or against this practice
but it is a double edged sword - the financial policies of things like
the IAS and SuperPower buildings funds are not subject to the same
'selection' policies - this was doen deliberately so that people like
Klein et al could be encouraged to get people to make the donations.

Of course the problem becomes obvious - if one of these "FSMs" has a
choice between regging a guy for services and then getting the sucker
to start the services before getting the bucks or just reg them for the
same amount for the IAS or the SuperPower building and get the commish
straight up -which one are they gonna do? (now a real scientologist
would of course say that the services are waay more important after all
they are more valuable than etc etc etc - which goes to prove that
these people do not even believe their own propaganda - they ALWAYS go
for the money.

So then what happens? Well if you have someone like this sitting in
your org working with the FSCs they start to siphon money out of the
AOLA reg lines.

But wait! it gets worse.

Let's say the FSCs are working on a big (100K) cycle, Its Wednesday
evening the money the prospect has been waiting for has not come
through as expected, The (real)FSM is helping out but really there
isn't much to do and, from the FSM's viewpoint if i comes through on
Friday well that is just as good after all the person won't be going to
Flag for three months.

But as we all know - that would be a disaster!! a 100K cycle, probably
'confirmed' is going to get pulled off the line up? Are you kidding me?
Make it go right!!

And so a call get's made to one of these "remote Reg/FSMs" . The
problem is explained by the FSC - if the cycle can get pulled through
there is a 5% commission just waiting in the wings. The RR/FSM gets in
touch with the prospect finds out that they can probably scrape
together $30,000 by maxing a coupla credit cards, pawning a car or two.
After checking that the 100K cycle is actually good though delayed then
the RR/FSM strikes a private deal with the prospect to front the
remaining $70,000 - for a small (2 or 3%) commission payable by the
prospect who is "helping out the org" (after all, there has to be
exchange...) and the RR/FSM writes a check to the prospect who then
writes a covered and legit check to the FSO. The RR/FSM makes $6.5 K
for a one day loan and for about 2 hours work. The FSM gets its 100,000
(minus 5K) two days earlier than it would normally.

If that seems a little far fetched I am sure Warrior and any others on
income lines in the SO can vouch for what I am saying - I saw a couple
of these types knock down a coupe of deals like this a week.

Periodically these leeches get run out of dodge. The problem is, of
course, that without the financial shenanigans and corrupt little deals
the income crashes.

and then they come back..

deo

I went clear in July, 1969. My clear number 1s 2143. The nuber you mention would
have been issued after the 1978 issues on Dianetic Clear came out. IOW, during
the clear attest torrent.
The Mike Smith that I knew was head of the Mission network. He was/is an older
guy. ( well, not as old as me, but I'd guess in his mid-60s at least).

la

In article <42358C02...@aol.com>, Ed says...

I believe I'm referring to the same person; the correct spelling is
most likely "Swartz". He was a short, balding, fat fellow with
black hair and a mustache. I never knew him personally but
could identify him by sight.

Yes, that's him.