The Anti-Mommy Bias

Nancy Folbre is a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Employers often define ideal managers as individuals who are not only smart, reliable and committed, but also willing to drop everything else in their life to get the job done. Like the protagonists of Ayn Rand novels, managers should be unencumbered by responsibilities for the care of dependents (who cannot always be dropped).

In a telling episode last December, Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania praised the appointment of Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona as secretary of Homeland Security, “because for that job you have to have no life. Janet has no family. Perfect. She can devote, literally, 19-20 hours a day to it.” Governor Rendell did not realize his microphone was on. He later explained that he has no life either.

During the 1920s and 1930s, many employers refused to hire married women, or fired them once they married. As my fellow Economix blogger Casey Mulligan points out, such “marriage bars” are not allowed today. But family responsibilities still weigh more heavily on women than on men, accounting for much of the pay gap between the sexes. Some policy analysts argue that mothers make a lifestyle choice, opting for easier, more flexible work over greater responsibility and higher pay. Others, like myself, argue that our economic system imposes unfair penalties on those who care for others.

But shouldn’t both sides in this debate protest when women (or men) are penalized simply because they are caregivers? Considerable evidence suggests that maternal responsibility intensifies gender stereotyping in harmful — and often illegal — ways.

Employers sometimes assume that women with care responsibilities will be, and should be, less committed to their jobs. Such assumptions and beliefs can influence employment outcomes even when caregivers work just as long and hard as everybody else.

Joan Williams of the University of California Hastings College of the Law has pioneered analysis of the impact of a “maternal wall” on women’s career trajectories. A growing body of case law develops the concept of Family Responsibilities Discrimination. The literal acronym is FRD, but it is sometimes referred to as FRED, a name that is easier to remember.

In May 2007, the Equal Opportunities Employment Commission issued official guidance on FRED, explaining circumstances under which discrimination against caregivers violates existing law.

It’s not always easy to determine whether discriminatory attitudes — rather than difficult-to-measure differences in actual job performance — underlie disparate outcomes. But sociologists Shelley Correll, Stephen Benard and In Paik take a step in this direction with research analyzing responses to job applications with credentials equivalent except for signals of parenthood.

In one experiment, about 200 undergraduates were asked to rate paired applications for an imaginary midlevel managerial job. Both female and male students rated mothers lower on competence and commitment, recommended lower salaries for them, and judged them less worthy of promotion than childless women.

In an even more convincing audit study, fictional résumés and cover letters were sent to employers advertising midlevel marketing and business job openings at a large Northeastern city newspaper. Childless women received 2.1 times as many callbacks as mothers.

Fathers, however, were not penalized.

The experimental evidence here, as in other audit studies, strongly suggests that employers are influenced by cultural norms and signals of group membership as well as individual merit.

Ayn Rand probably never sent out a résumé, never had children and didn’t particularly like them. But she didn’t like hypocritical double standards, either.

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The sad truth is that women experience bias from both sides. Women who are child-free and unmarried experience a great deal of stigma, as well as enormous amounts of inappropriate conjecture about why they’re in this feared and ridiculed state, as Ms. Napolitano can attest. And we are certainly viewed as not needing the job or the money as much as those with children.

I’ve worked in offices where women with children were not treated as equal candidates for promotion, but were given all kinds of special privileges on a day-to-day workplace basis, such as being given offices rather than cubicles if breastfeeding. It was a weird kind of mixed standard. As long as these women had low expectations for their career in general, they enjoyed a certain kind of special status.

The truth is that you either need to care for the children yourself, have a stay-home partner, or have enough money to have a great nanny. Somebody has to stay home with sick kids, take time off to get them to the dentist, leave work early when there is a problem. The bias is real and can only be overcome when society decides we value caretaking as a community goal and that it is important to create the best possible future generation. Who do people think is going to be their doctors and lawyers when they themselves are old?

The article does not mention Sarah Palin who was questioned about her ability to care for her children if she were to be the VP.

As usual, in this type of controversial issue, the real issue is that people simply do not understand what statistics mean. It is not wrong, for instance, to say that Blacks have a higher percentage of convicted criminals because it is just true. I would bet that it is true statistically that women with no kids are more productive and work harder. Instead of conducting a test of perception, they should conduct a test to verify the productivity difference. If there is no difference, then our perception that mothers are less productive has no merit, otherwise it would prove that our perception is at least in part based on fact.

But without conducting such a test, it’s pretty obvious that mothers are less productive (that is, for their employers). For instance, I’ve heard many single women at advertising agencies complain that they were expected to work longer hours just because they have no kids. It’s true; even I can use my daughter as an excuse to get out of anything. It’s a perfect excuse that can be used without looking unprofessional. In other words, we parents get a lot of slack for having kids, and naturally, someone else has to make up for that.

The real issue here is that just because many mothers are less productive, does not mean that ALL mothers are less productive. It’s the same for race; just because blacks have a higher percentage of criminals, does not mean that the next black person you meet is a criminal. But I think it’s a statistically fair thing to recognize that mothers in general are less productive than women with no kids. In fact, if we did not accept that as a fact, it would not be fair to the women with no kids, since they are expected to work harder.

“. But family responsibilities still weigh more heavily on women than on men, accounting for much of the pay gap between the sexes.”

Wait, you mean that the much-ballyhooed pay disparity between men and women is explained by the fact that women tend to spend less time at work and get off the corporate ladder to take care of their kids? Why, I am the picture of surprise! All this time I thought that women got paid less because America was an evil place, ruled by plutocrats who look like Rich Uncle Pennybags (better known as “Mr. Monopoly.”).

It is said that in this day and age we report something like this only for women.

I have seem many people, both men and women, passed over for advancement because they were not “full committed” to the job or placed their families or other types of responsibilities first. In that way this is a somewehat biased piece. Or is there a follow-up article on men that is coming out tomorrow?

Where’s the hypocrisy? Caregivers are less committed, and have less flexibility. They are worth less to the company, and are unsuitable for many managerial positions. In most families, the mother is the primary caregiver. That may not be fair, but don’t blame it on the employer. They are just acknowledging reality. Pretending otherwise won’t make fathers the primary caregiver. As I’ve seen it, mothers feel more responsibility to give care, and enjoy spending time with their children more than fathers do. Change that culture, and employers will change. The fact that you can sue an employer but not all the fathers does not change this.

I speak as a widowed father of 2 young children who does not have the flexibility to do his job as well as he could, and has given up chances for advancement as a result. That’s life. You make choices, but you can’ t have it all.

Childless women, and men who are either childless or chauvinist (i.e., leave the kid care to the woman), are also less likely to have gaps in their resume and are more likely both to keep their skills up to date while honing them on the job, and to have skills other than Peek-A-Boo. As the unfortunate but accurate comment also pointed out, they are less likely to feel themselves entitled to absent themselves every time baby gets a boo-boo, and to expect that none of these factors should figure in their annual review or be reflected in their pay or promotion history. Simple as that. No big fan of Ayn Rand, but the hypocrisy I see is trying to pretend that motherhood makes no difference.

It is a bit hard to see what the author is trying to say. If you have one manager who is committed to the firm and willing to work 12-14 hours a day, and be available 24/7, ability and performance being equal, wouldn’t that person be more productive and valuable than one who is willing to work 8 hrs a day and not be as available?

It would be nice if nobody had to work so hard, but, when you compare the two as far as value to the employer, especially at a high echelon job, well, the one who is most flexible and willing to work substantially more hours will win out.

The economics and attitudes of gender at the workplace can hardly be dictated by legislation. Those in the ivory tower of research will never understand what it feels like on the ground, in the pressurized, demanding work environment, when a worker is called upon to cover their job and that of a absent parent coworker, however justified and needed that absence might be.
As a mother and a high achiever, I have not risen above resentment when I had to cover double the night shifts for new parents, etc.
The problem and the solutions lie within the totality of the economic system. Productivity equals stripping all operations down to the bare bone minimum of workers/personnel, which means there is no margin in the system or flexibility to allow for a coverage system, when absences become necessary in favor of our most treasured dependents: children and parents.

As a feminist, I feel torn about this issue. Due to the deep commitment needed to raise children, because the bulk of the responsibility falls on moms’ shoulders, I have opted not to have children in this family-unfriendly culture. Having completed an advanced degree and gotten a good job, I have been on the hiring side of the table, and I feel torn in so many ways about this. My female colleagues, who all are moms, tend to have not pursued advanced degrees and see their jobs as supplements to their husbands’. They have lower-paying positions and, when their husbands lose their jobs, they become the main breadwinners and struggle financially. Their time is not their own, and they work so hard, but they really cannot “do it all.” They drop the ball, stay at work only at the minimum, and their work is fine, but it does not include the kind of leadership and extra responsibilities that fall on my and my male colleagues’ laps. We are simply at work more than they are.

Having sat on the interviewing side of the hiring table, I have been alarmed by how mom candidates, once we are alone, drop their guard when talking with me. I have had one woman confide that she cannot wait to “get a job so that she can stop working so hard.” I did not know what to say and had to struggle not to think that she would be another colleague who comes in, teaches, does her service work for show, and gets out as soon as she can, leaving me and others with extra work. I like to think that we did not hire her and that I did not vote for her, because her teaching demonstration was weaker than the other candidates’, which I really think is true, since I said nothing of her comment to others on the committee. I also believe that I was fair, but I fear that that bit of information worked on me in ways that I cannot control.

I’m a woman and a feminist who has accepted that the United States hates families and exploits mothers’ love for their children to encourage the development of the next generation of workers with no regard for the work that mothers do in the service of their love. I also do not think that moms (or dads) who put their work on hold to parent should be rewarded like those of us who do the work and pick up the slack. Therefore, rather than try and change business culture, I think that businesses should be taxed, and families should be encouraged with economic incentives, to raise good, educated, socialized, reasonable children. Moms should be rewarded for being moms, that is, not for being workers whose primary care is for raising children. We should encourage moms or dads to make their kids a priority and support those families directly and not indirectly by cutting breaks for workers who are doing fine, okay, but not at all super work.

Actually, it is incorrect to claim that men are not affected by this bias. As a long-time administrator who supervised others who made many hiring decisions, I have often heard both men and women evaluated in terms of the number of children they had, particularly if they were single parents. This phenomenon ought more likely to be termed “anti-child” or “anti-caregiver” bias, though it is more like to be used to discriminate more often against women.

“Some policy analysts argue that mothers make a lifestyle choice, opting for easier, more flexible work over greater responsibility and higher pay.”

This type of thinking is abstracted from the gases of fecal material lining the interior of craniums. I am refraining from expletives here…

I’ve been on both sides: ran a very successful business since high school then downsized it to an existing small client base for the wife to climb her own ladder which she did- very fast and very high where she currently resides. The knowledge I’ve gained from the transition has TOTALLY opened my eyes.

What these inept and callow nematodes do not realize is that a mother (or father) MUST become vulnerable to the whim of capitalism in order to focus on children.

A woman (or man) who ‘sits’ home for years caring for and nurturing the new society (rather than throwing them into strange pastures) will predictably lose their value in the economic system.

Try as she might the ability to be educated or grow in stature in reference to training or ability is stunted by the daily responsibilities of child-rearing, home management and support of the working spouse.

If the relationship suffers years down the road and a divorce becomes eminent the main care-giver to the children will now become a victim to her (or his) own perfectly wonderful choice of child-rearing simply because they are now no longer able to compete in the real world.

THIS is a ‘flexible lifestyle’ choice? I swear, if one of these losers was standing here at this moment I would have to hold my hand back from smacking their miserable and callous thoughtlessness upside the head.

Even when my husband and I shared everything very equally (that changed later), I found that certain male bosses, and even some women, could not fathom equality. I remember showing up to work one day when it was a school snow day. My then-boss (who later fired me and a few other women, but no men, in a round of layoffs), asked why I was at work, because it was a snow day.

I explained that my husband took the day off. I don’t think my boss could wrap his tiny little excuse for a brain around it.

Other times, he would pass comments such as “Mrs. X doesn’t really want to work. She’d rather be home with her kids.” (Meanwhile the woman he was referring to has now worked in their department for 20 years!)

I think there’s a perception that women don’t “need” their jobs and that it’s some sort of hobby for them.

By the way, when my friend and I went to see a lawyer about this guy, the lawyer knew him well and said he was a bad guy, whose testimony in a recently settled age discrimination suit smacked of lies. I did not sue my ex-boss, but my friend got the EEOC to give her the “right to sue” letter, and she prevailed in negotiating a decent severance package.

And, by the way, this is a university dean! So, our taxes are supporting this Neanderthal.

This issue has two flip sides: if you are a guy with a family, your devotion to family is viewed as undermining your ability to be a player in the work place. Moreover, to stay a player, you got to be willing to do a double load when moms in the work place can’t stay late and come in early. Although women face a much greater wall of prejudice, the system is not friendly for anyone with a family.

Thanks for this article and collecting the hard data that shows that women still face unique obstacles in the workplace.

In most opposite-sex marriages, motherhood is a double-whammy: it bring a loss of power and prestige at work, while increasing the demands on the mother at home. Parenthood generally seems to have the effect of establishing or reinforcing traditional sex roles that free fathers from most caregiving responsibilities and shifting more and more of the work needed to maintain a home to the mother.

For some reason, this all reminded me of the classic feminist essay from the 1970s, “Why I Want a Wife”:

//www.cwluherstory.org/why-i-want-a-wife.html

Of course the fundamental question is why should one person have to work so hard in the first place?

With the high level of un- and under-employment in this country one would think that a bit of job restructuring among more workers would be beneficial.

Obama has a stock phrase he now uses about working on too many things at once, to the effect that he has lots of smart people around him who can solve all the usual issues and he, therefore, gets only the really difficult ones to deal with.

So if a pol or cabinet member has too much on her plate, she’ probably not delegating enough.

Similarly with routine jobs in manufacturing or retail, it is cheaper (in general) for a company to overwork existing employees than to have to take on the overhead of an additional worker. Much of this could be fixed if we had things like a government administered national health system and similar social services.

In Scandinavia there are deliberate policies in place to encourage women to stay in the work force after they have children, especially adequate day care.

It’s all a matter of priorities, and in this country the needs of workers are set to the lowest level of priority.

While I agree that FRED is certainly unjustifiable, we must take the perspective of the employer. Do studies show that women with children are more likely to leave a job than men women without or men? Is there a risk-cost analysis that explains the utility in hiring female workers of child-bearing age versus the opposite? Could it be that men and childless-women provide more marginal product per dollar in the long run (even if all work equally as hard and as well right now) simply due to certain “risks” that women with children bring? If that’s the case, then it’s hard for a firm to justify hiring otherwise…

I hate that inequality exists, and in our times many women must still make a choice between family or career, but perhaps employer behavior is simply a byproduct of cultural norms that have yet to fade?

This is in no means an excuse. But we should perhaps suggest that real “economix” be used to push for this equality.

As an economist, I automatically gave women with children preference when the choice was between apparently equally suitable candidates. The logic was and is that if other employers are irrationally prejudiced against them, they are likeiy to be better value for money. Over the decades, judging people by how well they did the job, I tended to increase my preference for women with children. In particular, this extended to mothers who wanted to work part time. I reckoned that a half-time mother (or other family carer) usually delivered the output of about two-thirds of a full-timer.

Unfortunately, it makes perfect sense for employers to discriminate against people who will devote a smaller part of their time to their job. How to blame them? As a father, I understand that having a family will make it more difficult for me to get a top job, because I will have less time for work.

The only way to stop this discrimination is to forbid people to work more than a set amount of time, as in France, where many people are technically forbidden to work more than 35 hours a week.

Pay differences between men and women are not “unfair” if the difference is because of productivity. Indeed, if differences in productivity are rewarded differently, that would be PERFECTLY fair.

Considering the social norm of having women as the primary caregivers, it’s reasonable to expect, on average, that the productivity of women is lower. Hence the lower pay.

So, yes Mommies get paid less. Just as there would be an Anti-Daddy bias if the social norm were for the father to be the primary caregiver. It is what it is.

robertdfeinman – “In Scandinavia there are deliberate policies in place to encourage women to stay in the work force after they have children, especially adequate day care.

But the downside in the Scandinavian countries is that the job market is always tight, and even if you are lucky enough to get a job commensurate with your qualifications in the first place, then it is usually low-paid anyway. That’s caused by all these mandates, such as the so-called “family friendly” policy of paying for childcare. Believe me, it’s not “free.” Instead, it causes a rather massive constriction in the economy

I find it interesting that the United States has, in a mere 30-years, gone from being the strongest economy in the world whereby being a single-earner family was possible, to having a ‘treadmill’ system whereby it is necessary in many cases for both parents to work. Quite naturally, it leads many to question the monetary system and how much of America’s productivity has been siphoned off by the fiat money system and a privately owned banking monopoly known as the Federal Reserve.

What’s most amazing is that it’s all been done before, throughout history, but apparently we haven’t learned our lesson yet. Here’s an excerpt from Hymn to Money by Ayn Rand. You might find it informative.

Money is the barometer of society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done not by consent but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods but in favors – when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you
[…]
Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying gold money, for it is man’s protection, and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values.

When I first interviewed for my current job, my employer asked me all of three questions about my skills and five about my personal life, including: “Are you married? Are you planning to get married? What are your plans for children?”

I was unmarried and not planning to have children anytime soon (I was 23 for heaven’s sake), but he still leaned back with narrowed eyes, and gruffly informed me that he didn’t want me moving off when my husband got a better job in another city, or getting myself pregnant three months into the job. It was all I could do to keep the ire at bay.

He still grudgingly gave me the job, but I have 99% certainty that I would never have gotten that job if I had been newly married or had a baby at home. I was almost turned away just for being a young woman who *might* get married/pregnant, despite my good education and solid job history. It’s sickening!

-Randy

Ayn Rand’s fiscal obsessions are clearly inadequate for dealing with contemporary economic issues that involve the family.

Ayn and her husband chose not to have children, which is fine, but utilizing the advice of someone entirely disconnected from the painstaking processes of child-rearing and family development and the implications of this social responsibility on personal economics is purely an exercise in stark irrelevance.

Ayn Rand’s Objectivism contains useful components for idealizing but beyond that mere level she has nothing to offer hard-working American families who ARE, in fact, the very backbone of the United States of America.

The FAMILY is the barometer of society’s virtue NOT filthy lucre and despotic greed.

Maybe soul-searching NEEDS to occur in the hearts of capitalist America (the which I support and am part of) and their often blatant disregard for the underpinnings of the country they’ve become rich in: the family.

The family produces integrity and character. I don’t care if your family is religious or secular (as mine is)- a strong functioning family supports the interests of business and a powerful country. And, more importantly, a family offers meaning and personal growth throughout a lifetime that builds healthy and prosperous communities.

THIS is why mothers should be respected and supported. NOT treated as second-class citizens by the doyens of greed and pathological selfishness.

I do think it has a lot to do with cultural norms. If there are two applicants and all things being equal, except that one is childless and the other has children, then it comes down to a calculation that the interviewer makes that is based on past experience, norms, values, etc. One way to help these norms evolve might be dialogue, debate, or positive depictions in media. The overt sexism should be remedied by laws, but the personal judgments made by employers and society in general are not necessarily overt sexism and thus cannot be regulated. Mothers in the workforce is just something that we all must come to value and foster. This will not be easy however, as it looks like working mothers are not only looked down upon in some religious circles, but even by secular atheists as well.

One suggestion that I have to start, is to get neanderthals like Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday to treat women with the same respect at he would a male. This past Sunday he had Christina Romer and at the end of the show, he asked her, “What’s a nice girl like you doing working for the Obama Administration?” I could tell she was not too happy about that as she responded, “I nice girl like me.” Can anyone picture Wallace asking that to Summers? “What is a nice boy like you doing working for the Obama Administration?” I know a lot of Summers apologists would be none too happy too. But this sort of sexism is fine against women? I know what I would do if some knucklehead whitey would ever call me a boy.

Shelly (#22):

The questions your boss asked you in your job interview are completely illegal and prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964. I recommend that you contact the human rights commission in your state or the EEOC and find out what you can do to protect your rights. Both agencies provide free assistance to victims of discrimination. If your boss did this to you, he has done it to other women and he’ll do it again.

Make the call!