I feel that might help

> WE MUST COME TOGETHER AND TAKE THESE SITES
> OFF THE INTERNET!
>
> NO NAZI
> NO WHITE POWER
> NO HATE
>
> http://www.nazichess.com
> http://www.kkk.org
> http://www.twelvearyannations.com/
> http://www.naawp.com/
> http://www.americannaziparty.com/
> http://www.unitedskins.com/home.htm
>
> Hit them wit letters telling them we don't need
> nor want them!
>
> Fill their mail boxes with junk!

No, I'm a free speech advocate...even speech I don't agree with.

I've always wondered what would happen if there was no counter-march to any
of the KKK/Nazi or related hate mongers marches. Just 20 or 30 lonely guys
marching down an empty street. They would look pretty silly, and probably
feel pretty silly. So often our attention to groups like this is what
gives them legitimacy...

Todd

> Why? Isn't it better to let these people express themselves openly?
> They'll fester less, you'll know where they stand and what they are up to
> and best of all - like what I do here in C.O.L.A - you can counter them
> with the truth.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH <snort><gurgle><snort>

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Isn't it funny how wintrolls change there noms or pretend to be someoneelse.
Poor fallows/ess's/it's. Must be the affect MS Windows has on them

> Do you have something to add to this discussion? NTFS made a valid
> point, surely you can do more than childish fake HTML tags.

NTFS made a remark about "countering with the truth".
That is just great, coming from a nymshifting liar.
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> Name one lie, one.

Name one truth, one
--
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It could be worse, but it'll take time.

>
> ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Well, at least you admit that you are unable to name one single post where
you told the truth.
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> Name one lie, one.

It would help if you'd drop the X-No-Archive: Yes, which is why you use it,
but here's one:

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
References: <tg2a5voap9392l3nq...@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Linux download speeds.
Lines: 3
X-No-Archive: Yes
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 03:00:57 GMT
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Xref: uni-berlin.de comp.os.linux.advocacy:835034

Linux is slow.

--
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Developer, professional writer, Lead Software Engineer, posing director and
Wintroll: "You know, you'd make a lot less noise with my dick in your
mouth." More? http://home.earthlink.net/~vcg3rd/cooke.html

o From: "NTFS" <nt...@filesystem.ntfs>
o Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
o References: <3e58a428...@news.bigpond.com> <b3abbl$js6$04$1...@news.t-online.com> <slrnb5i1sm....@jojo.debianpals.org>
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o Message-ID: <flN6a.67244$UXa....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
o Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:03:07 GMT
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o NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:03:07 EST
o
o Yes, it is.
o
o Win98, despite the occassional BSOD, is one of the most versitile OSes for
o the PC. More software has been written with Windows 98 in mind than any
o other operating system. Windows XP, of course, will change that .. but it
o will take a little longer ..
o

> ?
>
> I don't understand what you are getting at. So I use it .. so what ? It's
> just one X line among many. If you would be so kind as to elaborate?

So that people can't find your lies. You well know it prevents your posts
from being archived or you wouldn't have set it.

It doesn't matter if you "get it" or not, though. In a thread on Linux
downloads you said Linux is slow. That was a lie. On equal hardware, with
similiar applications (ftp, browsers, email), Linux downloads as fast or
faster than other OSes.

I see. You have nothing better to do, so you infest cola.

Some private wars are very hard to follow.

And now for a public service announcement.

If you going to post to a newsgroup, any newsgroup,
make sure you know how to use your newsreader so that
followups to messages can be read.

--
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/13/0249250&mode=thread&tid=172
By 2005, it will become clear that Linux will become a Globally dominate OS.
http://www.debianpals.org/charlieweb/Linux/intro.html

Charlie

Use a better newsreader

If it starts working, we'll fix it. Pronto.

> Oh it's my motives you question. I thought there was a technical reason.
>
> So what if people can't find my posts on Google? What are they looking
> them up for anyway? If they want to see my posts they can just read from
> COLA. My posts are intended for COLA, not Google.

No. Your posts are meant to troll and lie. And liars naturally don't want
their lies preserved
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Keep diverting the issue if you want. You asked for examples of your lies,
just one, if fact. I provided one.

You're that thick?
Asking someone to prove something YOU say is slightly more difficult because
you stop your articles from being archived in google.

Normal news servers expire articles above a certain age on their servers.
Google holds every non-binary/non-X-no-archived post since the mid 90s.

You're just ashamed of what you post here, and want to hide it from
potential employers.

You threw down the gauntlet! You're the one who made the challenge to find
one lie. Why shouldn't people search for an article in which you do?

Google KEEPS them in COLA in its archive! COLA on google is like a volcanic
mountain. A permanent fixture. Nothing leaving, things constantly added.

Your local newsserver however, it's a (slow) river, the river may appear the
same, but the articles are drifting downstream until they fall over the
waterfall.

Well, you get the idea. Had to explain it like that cos you're so dense.

> Yea it figures.
>
> Another bald faced accusation from the 13 year old script kiddie and
> nothing to back up the claim.

How is your stolen XP doing?
--
Like being presumed a thief and a liar before using a product?
If so, use M$ XP

Leafnode is indispensible in keeping track of trolls. They can't expire
anything already cached. They can't unarchive what's already archived.

Guess who gets to decide the length of time prior to expiration. Guess
who gets to cache this stuff and expand said cache as deemed necessary.

--
"Microsoft Vaccine 2000 is configuring your immune system. This may take
a few minutes. If your body stops responding for a long time and there is
no brain activity please die. Setup will continue after you are reborn."

I can't recall ever seeing anything provided on COLA by flatty that
back of any of flatty's claims.

Me-thinks flatty protesteth too much.

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:09 +0100, Peter Köhlmann

> Avoiding the topic of the original post again Kohlmann?
>
> I suppose you haven't figured out that most people, Linux advocates and
> Windows advocates alike, have you pegged as an idiot.
>
> It's just one of those things we all seem to agree on.
>
> You aren't doing Linux advocacy any good that's for certain which makes
> me wonder if you aren't really a paid Microsoft shill doing a reverse
> troll.
>
> If so, go back to your bunker because the Windows advocates don't want
> you either.

Do you actually have anything to say that someone would believe? No?
Thought so. Now, how is your illegal XP doing? Or did you copy it,
distributet it to friends and returned it for a full refund like the
Mandrake set?
You see, you are just a thief. And a liar.
--
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but we always respect their good judgement.

>
> Yea sure...
>
> That's assuming you can actually get leafnode to expire things when it
> is supposed to.
>
> texpire -f -vvv is supposed to force an expire, but it has a mind of
> it's own.

Why do you need it to be that verbose?

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> Yep.
> And for the 1000th time, my copy of XP is fully licensed and legal.
> Why on earth would I bet a business on a hacked copy when a real one only
> cost $199.00?
>

$199 for little more than an OS? That is a LOT of money. Then to get an
officesuite you need to invest more (either download time or money) to get
the officesuite and install it.

> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:52:32 +0000, DrSquare <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:57:52 +1300, Mark <bon...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>The point is that Koehlmann was beaten by the point made, and had to
>>change the subject to another random insult.
>

Flatfish changed the subject

> Peter K is lying once more.

What business? And your explanation how you got it doesn't hold water. It
is *very* fishy, flatfishy so to say. Given that lying is second nature
to you, one can safely assume that your story is completely made up
--
Yield to Temptation ... it may not pass your way again.
-- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"

Bet you don't use them but a pirated copy od MS Office insteed

> 2. Linux can't run the applications I need.

Those are?

> 3. Time is money and Linux requires time.

Any OS and apps require time to learn to use them effectively.

As you have a habit of typing. Next...........

Lying is just a flatty reflex:

Message-ID: <slrnac17t1.32...@localhost.localdomain>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: flatfish+++ <flatf...@mariana.trench>
Subject: Re: 6 months with Linux, what fun it's been!
Message-ID: <slrnac17t1.32...@localhost.localdomain>
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:54:34 EDT
Organization: Optimum Online


In article <3CC09BDC...@cvzoom.net>, Donn Miller wrote:
>
>
> flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> So XP isn't free, but yet people are willing to pay for it yet at the
>> same time ignoring Linux as a desktop solution.
>
> So how much did you pay for XP again?


Nothing.

One of my clients added me to his corporate license because that
is his firms OS of choice. I have a completely legal and free, at least to me,
copy.

Why do you ask?

flatfish+++

> When it's the newest version from the market leader, and it's easy to
> use and works with all your hardware and software, that's good value for
> money.

I paid $40, got hundreds (at least) of apps with the OS and it worked with
all of my hardware.

> If you want a decent office suite on Linux you can't get one.

Are you trying to state your opinion again, or are you trying to state a
fact. If it is your opinion... it reflects how much of an idiot you are...
if you are saying it is a fact, you are a liar.

--
Rick

> Good for you.
>
> You are the exception.

Please prove this claim.

> Easy.
>
> The market share of desktop Linux is more than enough.

No, that does not prove that the experiance was the exception. Most of the
windows users have never even tried Linux.

I'm another exception.

> It's both a fact and an opinion.
> Think about it a bit.
>
> If the free offerings were that good, don't you think just about every
> person spending idiotic amounts of money for MSOffice would switch in a
> heartbeat?

Why would they? They already spent the money!

In fact, most offices automatically view with suspicion any free
offerings, and they won't even allow you to show them the alternative.

Furthermore, there is a web of MS users out there that prevent an easy
migration. It's that lock-in that MS has worked so hard to achieve.

> Remember they run under Windows as well.
> The fact is people are not switching which says it all.

The fact is that you're pulling your facts out of your ass.

For what it's worth, OpenOffice is essentially as good as MS Office,
and, in some ways it is better. If you can stick with an all
OpenOffice setup, you'd be golden.

What it lacks, unfortunately, is the ability to perfectly convert
back to MS Office 2000/XP formats. OpenOffice can read these documents
very well, well enough that one can use them for perusing them.
Going the other way, though, is a bit rough. For the documents I do
at work, the results are just too different to use. But, at least I
can read what some Windozed moron sends me, and convert it to more
palatable formats for usage in Web pages (for example).

I wouldn't make to big a deal of that, however, as MS Office is a big
joke in typesetting circles because what you see is rarely exactly
what you get on the printer. It is "good enough for government work".

If you can convince your colleagues to switch, OpenOffice is an
excellent choice.

Chris

--
Microsoft is being pecked to death by Penguins.

Because the PCs they buy at Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA, etc. come with
Windows and Microsoft is a monopoly.

Because the PCs they buy at Circuit City, CompUSA, Best Buy, etc come preloaded
with Windows and because Microsoft is a Monopoly.

> Easy.

Why should he? He's done that over and over. Others have done that
over and over. You don't imbibe the information. You continually make
the same erroneous statements (even if there's a grain of truth in them),
misusing numbers, making glib assertions with little basis in fact,
ignore headline stories, findings of fact, the flood of articles,
and, lately, are coming awfully close to doing the Funkenbusch shuffle.

Face it, you're the one in denial, flatfish.

You can't even get the desktop percentage right.

All you have is your precious example of DAW. Even that is becoming
stale.

You're a one-note tuna.

> And why is that?

Many reasons. Inertia is, I feel (based on observing other people),
the biggest factor. That preload is a huge barrier. Yeah, garage
comes with this klunky but shiny Caddy. Why should I look for another
car?

... then you are saying he is an idiot and a liar.

They are that good and people haven't switched... becasue of the illegal
monopoly.

That's right .. that says it all... micro$oft execs should get billion
dollar fines and jail time.

--
Rick

You may now explain the why the Mac marketshare is so small.

It tells me micro$oft has had an illegal strangle hold on the industry,\.

Goody for you. I don't believe you.

You deny the answer.

>
> You tell me.

You have been repeatedly told.

--
Rick

Right then, go fucking sue 'em.

BWAHAHAHAH!!! Popular choice is a monopoly! BWAHAHAHA!!!

Fuck me dead, you linuxfux are dumb cunts.

> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:47:42 GMT, Rob Hughes <r...@robhughes.com>
> wrote:
>
>>begin NTFS's post:
>>
>>> Why? Isn't it better to let these people express themselves openly?
>>> They'll fester less, you'll know where they stand and what they are up
>>> to and best of all - like what I do here in C.O.L.A - you can counter
>>> them with the truth.
>>
>>BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH <snort><gurgle><snort>
>
> Do you have something to add to this discussion? NTFS made a valid
> point, surely you can do more than childish fake HTML tags.

Right. Well then. I guess I've been told, haven't I? Oh, wait... those
aren't fake html tags. That's the normal way of indicating an action in a
usenet post. But then, you knew that and were just being facetious, yes?

--
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Remember: the only difference between being the champ and the chump is u.
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I downloaded 3 iso's from RH and got hundreds of apps and an OS that works
with all my hardware. I even get updates for free, with no worries that my
system might suddenly stop working one day because I change a one too many
components out. I can also download and install hundreds more, all free.
Life is grand.

Been there. Done that. The DOJ and several States sued (on behalf of
myself and the rest of the taxpayers), won, and then most caved.

--
Rick

There hasn't been any popular choice, that's why it is a monopoly.

.. looking at mirrors again?

--
Rick

User-Agent: Pan/0.13.3 (That cat's something I can't explain)

On your behalf, eh? So, you admit to being a windows user?

Lame. IKYABWAI.

Yes, on my behalf. I am one of the consumers that was harmed by the
illegally mainatined monopoly, I am a taxpayer and a citizen.

Admit? What do you mean admit? Are you implying is something nefarious
that you have to "admit" to?

BTW, I have stated several times I have to use window$ at work.

Have you studied up on what 'boot' means yet there, fool?

I guess flat thinks you're the exception too.

--
Rick

> When they came to upgrade, surely they would chose the cheap option if
> it was as good?
>

Apparently not many people are upgrading. According to numbers presented
here recently in an attempt to show how poor Linux is doing on the desktop
Linux is much more popular than XP. Most are stuck on Windows 98.

>
> Open Office is an amateurish mess compared to MS Office.

Apparently the BSA believes otherwise.

Gary

> Then you're probably in a minority who finds it easy on the eyes, easy to
> use, and who only runs a small selection of niche applications.

I use a fairly common mix of apps. Web browser, email, irc, usenet, WP,
SS, mp3 player and encoder, video players, scanning, graphic
manipulation...

> It's a fact.

Then you're a liar.

--
Rick

> Because they're overpriced.

.... it couldn't have anyting o do with micro$oft's illegaly maintained
monopoly, could it?

>
> Also, you make another point. If MacOSX, being so simple, user-friendly,
> aesthetically delightful and running a hell of a load of mainstream
> software and hardware can't even get a look in, then the disorganised ugly
> mess called Linux doesn't stand a chance.

You're an idiot.

--
Rick

> Because nearly every time it gets reviewed, it fails.

I'd call you a liar again, but your statement doesn't parse.

--
Rick

> People chose Windows, Linux didn't even get a look in.

Several courts say you are a liar.

--
Rick

You're wasting your time with the good Doctor. He is simply a
naysayer, plain and simple.

No. People didn't chose windows, they bought what was on the
shelf. And that's all that was on the shelf. When one of
our local stores had both Macs and windows PCs then you had
a choice. Most bought the Apple Mac.

LOL. It really is hillarious that you guys cannot see the stupidity in your
own blind statements of opinion as fact. Linux is a religion.

> Like fuck it is mormon.

How Freudean.

WHOOOSH, eh.

;0)

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> Not stuck, Windows 98 isn't that bad. It just goes to show that people
> want user-friendliness, speed and consistency more than they want
> rock-solid stability and security. Linux again shows itself to be out
> of touch with the wants of the mainstream user.
>

You missed the point. Why are people switching to Linux at a much faster
pace than XP? In other words, when it comes time to make a switch people
are overwhelmingly choosing Linux over some newer version of Windows. Why?

>
> The BSA are shitheads.

Well, you're right about that.

Gary

> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:07:16 -0800, GreyCloud <cum...@mist.com> wrote:

> Then explain why the Mac has been such a failure?

... the illegally maintained monopoly... and a few Apple screw-ups.

--
Rick

> All basic shit. You're clearly not someone who buys extra software and
> games for their computer.

What "extra software" are you talking about? You are again trying to
change the subject to mask the fact you don't know what you are talking
about. The above types of apps are hardly "niche applications".

... and why should I buy software if I have free $0.00 alternatives? I
look for free $(0.00) software for my Mac too. Sometimes I have to buy
stuff, like OmniPage, and ircle (Mac apps). Usually I don't.

--
Rick

The only stupidity I see is in your thinking. Obviously you
are clueless to mass marketing techniques. Gates took
advantage of this and also leveraged his monopoly to make
sure that that is all you see on the store shelves.
People are impulse buyers and don't think too far to see
what they've really spent their money on.

What makes you think that the Mac is a failure??

Amazing, isn't it? The whole COLA population appears to have never inspected
the contents of their brains, if any.

How did marketing get into this discussion? Why do you continually leap from
one straw to the next? Is your thinking defective in some way that you
cannot concentrate on the matter at hand? OOPS! Don't answer that, people
will think you're stupid.

Because it is the hinge pin to linuxs' problem. The lack of
it that is.

What straw?? I choose my own discussions.

You haven't provided much to concentrate on.

Nah. People have already figured you the dunce.

Ah! Tacit admission to suffering usenet induced cognitive dissonance.

> Because not many people see a need to upgrade to XP? Windows has already
> saturated the market, there's nowhere else for it to go.

Except down....

--
Rick