Color Picker II

Greg

a couple a things http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291841637
adult gallery. http://community.webshots.com/user/fugitive02
I want to touch people with my art. I want them to say 'he feels deeply, he feels tenderly.'
Vincent Van Gogh

I can't believe no one's commented on this great tool.
Must not be as cool as a pencil sketch plugin filter, or
a wave maker.

I like that one too, Greg. It's great for picking complementing colors for
frames and mats, or web page elements. Do you have a URL where others can
find it? It's been so long ago, I don't remember where I got it...and no
time this morning to go Google hunting............

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It's been around for a while. I think probably the people that would be
interested in this kind of software all ready have it (I do).

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I guess I don't understand why I need something to choose colours for me.
I'm no great shakes at sketching with a pencil, but I'm a dam fine colour
picker. (In my own very humble opinion, of course.)

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http://www.colorschemer.com/

I can do both, and a lot more, but can you or anyone choose 12 colors
at once, that absolutely won't clash with your primary work, I can't.

This web page will also help.

www.easyrgb.com

and by the way, for those praising the virtues of CRT and/or LCD monitors,
try to calibrate your monitors with the utilities in that page. I couldn't
even try with our 3 LCD.

Antonio

PSP 7.x color picker does essentially the same thing.
File> Preferences> General Program Preferences>
Dialogs and Palettes (tab)>
'Use standard Windows color picker' NOT checked.
Consider enabling 'Display colors in HSL format.'
Look at http://www.colorschemer.com/tutorial1.html
Save one of the Color Wheel GIFs to you machine and open in PSP.
Rotate the image 15 degrees followed by Image> Mirror.
Click a foreground/background swatch to open PSP's Color picker.
Compare the circular portion of PSP color picker to the rotated
and mirrored Color Picker II color wheel. Notice any similarities?
Of 256 (0-255) possible hues, the CPII wheel shows 12.

256 / 12 = 21.33
and
256 / 2 = 128

To find the Complementary color, add or subtract 128 from hue.
To find Split Complementarys, add/subtract 21 from hue of complementary
(or add/subtract 107 from hue of the primary color.)
To find Triad colors, add/subtract 85 ( 256 / 3 = ~85) from hue.
To find Analogous colors, add/subtract 21 from hue.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the "Old color" and "New color"
boxes gained a context menu with the following items:
Add Complements to custom colors
Add Split Complements to custom colors
Add Triads to custom colors
Add Analogs to custom colors.

Bob Dietz

> I can't believe no one's commented on this great tool.

Greg,

I just downloaded it! What do you think so far?

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Sally,

Where can I *download* you ?? <g>

Bob,

Wow, I never knew that! I've been reading up on Color lately, and this is
very interesting to me!

All the medical people at the VA I go to have LCDs and I wouldn't have
one for graphics work.

<snip>

The thing is the color wheel in PSP and many of these color harmony apps
are artistically incorrect. Go to a art supply store pick up a $3
carboard color wheel and compare it to PSP's color wheel. I assume that
the difference is due to the inability of RGB color space to display
certain colors, because those colors are not available, the color wheel
is squished in certain places making it not "line up" properly.

as Color Schemer 2.5.

Are you saying, the color combinations selected by the applications -
1) Clash.
2) Are less harmonious than combinations selected from a
traditional artists color wheel.
3) Are different than the combinations selected using a
traditional artists color wheel.
4) Items two and three.
5) All of the above.

No, I'm not being facetious. I'm not color blind, but I have
been accused of being color deaf.

Bob Dietz

>

, add/subtract 21 from hue.
>Bob Dietz
edited

That's why I get up in the morning, to do math.........

Why, Miss Chris, I don't know what to say....

"I'm NOT that kind of a girl... any more?"
"Meet me 'round the corner, inna halfa hour..."
"Don't! Stop! Don't! Stop! Don't Stop!"

wait, wait my husband is draggin' me away from the keyboard,
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Sally

Sally,

Hahahahahahaha! I was just trying to save myself the $25 for the Color
Picker, thrifty girl that I am! : )

> To find the Complementary color, add or subtract 128 from hue.

Bob,

That would have made no sense to me unless I tried it! Very
helpful.....thank you! So, you pick them using this method and then save
them as Custom Colors? But, don't you think something like the Color
Schemer would be helpful cause you can simply click a button and *see* the
combination of colors to determine if you like it?

I did that, and then changed back to RGB Format, but didn't notice any
difference in PSP's color picker. What was the purpose of that part of the
instructions?

Thanks!

I don't tend to choose color combinations based on how appealing they look
to me.

When selecting color combinations, I usually begin by choosing a dominate
color base on the subject matter or the message I want to convey. Once a
dominate color is settled on, I start counting contrasting elements.
Then I think about content again and what message the colors assisting the
dominant color are going to convey. At that point I've usually settled on
a color combination - Complementary, Split Complementary, Triad or Analogous.

Keep in mind, I'm not promoting this as a good method of choosing colors.
And I have been accused of being color deaf.

If I'm using the Dropper to some purpose other than copying a color to
one of the swatches, I usually find the Hue and Saturation numbers to
be more relevant than RGB numbers. Frankly, I wish PSP displayed all seven
numbers (R, G, B, H, S, L and HTML code) in the Dropper tool tip.

Bob Dietz

Bob,

I have to agree on that one....much more logical to me.

By the way, in looking over those lessons on color at:

http://www.webdesignclinic.com/ezine/v1i1/color/part2.html

I found the info below helpful:

"Hue: color with no black, white or grey added
Tint: hue + white
Shade: hue + black
Tone: hue + grey or hue + varying degrees of its complementary color"

Tint and Shade make sense, but I'm confused about TONE. If you take RED and
add its complementary color GREEN, do you still have a RED TONE?

This is all artist-speak, based on mixing pigments and creating
subtractive colors. Your computer uses emissive colors and
adds colors together. I can't say using artistic jargon is
going to help you any, but in this case tone corresponds
roughly to lowering saturation.

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Interesting tutorial.

Hopefully, someone with some real art training will come along to
answer this one. I'm also confused.

Bob Dietz

Twenty Five Bucks????????????????? Hey, I'm easy but I ain't cheap.

*giggle*

Sally

Ha! Oh yes you are.

Of course, the follow-up of high maintenance costs incurred, will indeed be
enough to easily march a small army clean across Europe, and then back
again. Nonetheless, ones initial out of pocket, (some may call it a
purchase price - I say fish hook in the cheek), is deceptively miniscule. A
friendly piece of counsel to all potential shoppers: Let the buyer beware.

:)

Porter

Good grief. I think I AM left-brained along with Angela. I can't imagine
picking Colors By Number. That just feels way wrong to me!

Of course, I also think the perfect complement to peach is lavender. Is
that girly or WHAT?

Yes. Because by adding a complement you are in essence "canceling out"
the color. For example, if you were doing an oil painting of a RED apple
on a table and you want the apple to cast a shadow on the table, you
wouldn't use black straight from the tube for the shadow. You would take
the red that you blended for the apple and mix in green to create a
greyed down color to use for the shadow. Many fine artists do not even
own a tube of black paint because it tends to look extremely unnatural.
Next time you're in an art gallery or even somewhere to look at posters
or prints of well known art, pay special attention to how shadows are
painted and you'll see how it works.

None of the above really. I'm just saying that PSP's wheel is not a good
way to choose harmonies if you expect them to match traditional
harmonies, because it's not possible to do with PSP's wheel. Really it
depends entirely upon what it is you want to accomplish with the harmony
in the first place. If you want to use a wheel to find the complement of
yellow in order to mix a shadow in oils, don't use PSP's wheel, it tells
you that the complement is somewhere around blue, when in fact, you'd
need to use violet. This doesn't mean though that blue and yellow don't
"go together", if you were doing a project where you wanted to evoke a
feeling of energy, blue and yellow would probably be perfect together
for it.

Really, there are better methods of finding good color combinations.
There are several books out there that I've personally purchased and
found interesting:
Pantone Guide to Communicating with Color
Designer's Guide to Color 5 (the best of the bunch, IMHO)
A Book of Colors
Color Harmony: A Guide to Creative Color Combinations
Color Harmony 2 (Featuring the Palette Picker)

All of these should be available through amazon.com if they can't be
found locally. The last one has a CD inside the cover with a nifty
little piece of software to choose harmonies. The Pantone book only
gives color values in PMS (obviously). There's a PMS/RGB converter chart
here:
http://www.degraeve.com/reference/pantone.shtml
Or, if you have PhotoPaint or PhotoShop, you can convert values in them.
Or, you can scan the chips, make sure to run Fade Correction over the
scan. Or, you can just eyeball it. The others all give values in either
Toyo, DIC or CMYK.

You can take any photograph that you find aesthetically pleasing in
color, blur it a bit, decrease the color depth down to 256 or less, et
viola, you've got a ready made palette of harmonious colors.

If you really want to go "on the cheap", go anywhere that sells house
paint and snatch up a slew of paint chip cards. Ace Hardware has a
particularly nice selection, they've also got printed on the back
suggestions for choosing other paint colors that "go with" the colors on
the front. K-Mart carries a line of Martha Stewart paint and has chip
cards that have ready made "palettes", I'm assuming either chosen by
Martha Stewart or somebody who makes a lot of money working for her :-)
With commercial paint makers, you can pretty well rest assured that the
suggested color combinations will be decent.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... catch
them unawares, I say, and then one day they suddenly awake, and realize they
have no computer toys of their own that you have not appropriated. But,
they like it that way.

Lotus Blossom

Sally,

A girl after my own heart! My living room used to be peach, lavender and
mint green!

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> This is all artist-speak,[...]but in this case tone corresponds
> roughly to lowering saturation.

Kris,

I don't speak "artist," but lowering saturation works for me.

Thanks!

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Bob,

Angela seems to know Kris' "artist speak." ; )

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> the color.[....]mix in green to create a

"Canceling out" is a perfect explanation....a more realistic method to 'grey
down' rather than using black. I understand now!

Thanks, Angela!

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Bob Dietz

Angela,

I was hoping someone would mention some good books. The college in my area,
unfortunately, does not offer a course in Color Theory.

Great idea! I'm going to go try it now! Do you then make a custom palette
with the colors?

Thanks!

These aren't really what you'd call Color Theory, more like cheat sheets
:-)

You can do that if you want. I keep small files, usually I'll pick out
maybe a half dozen colors, whatever appeals to me. Make a new image, 50
pixels high and 50 x how ever many colors wide. Set the selection tool
to rectangle, no anti-aliasing, double click on the selection tool to
enter co-ordinates, first set would be 0,50,0,50. Eyedropper and flood
fill these little squares. Save them as .gifs. If you want to save all
the colors in the palette, you can fire up another instance of PSP and
then screen cap the color palette that comes up when you click on the
fg/bg swatch. I just think that those squares in the 256 color palette
are too small to be really useful.

Too much work. See below.

One time only:
File> New...> Image type: 256 Colors (8 Bit)
Click on foreground/background color to open 256 color palette.
Alt + Print screen (no need for second instance - only palette is captured)
Close the Select Color From Palette dialog.
Ctrl + V (Paste as new image.)
Crop out just the palette grid.
Image> Resize...>
Percentage of original (150% or to taste.)
Resize type: Pixel resize (This setting is critical)
File> Save...> MyPalette.psp

To make a new palette, open MyPalette.psp
Eyedropper and flood fill squares.
Crop out the color squares you used.
File> Save As...>

Bob Dietz

When I first started oil painting, my instructor only allowed black in
my tool kit for very few uses. His description of black was that it
was '... Like Tobasco sauce. A touch of it will season the entire
painting, but a drop too much and the entire painting is
unsatisfactory.'

Oils differ quite a bit from the color mixing which takes place in our
computers. In general, colors here are additive, while oils are
subtractive color. Then, there's the problem that sometimes oils just
plain act contrary. Prussian Blue is a well known example. It wants
to get into everything on the palette.

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That's a very powerful pigment, if I remember correctly.

http://www.colorschemer.com/

Very easy way...

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Good trick Bob....

Now if I could only make an on-demand gradient out of that.... without a lot
of work....

Sally

on-demand gradient???

What 'chu mean, Willis?

Bob

Oh, I have this dream of reducing an image to say a 8 colour palette, and
then magically converting that palette to a gradient without me fighting
with those dam little markers.

Or a 6 colour palette, or a 4 colour palette, ( I suppose even a 256 colour
palette but that would be one helluva gradient!) - I'd settle for 10-12
colours tops.

Of course, I'd want the ability to edit the gradient after I got those silly
little markers in there...

Sort of like a foreground-background gradient, but will all the other
colours in the palette as stops in between. Would be great if it the
gradient could be ordered by palette order, luminance or hue, just like you
can re-order a palette.

But then of course, I'd want to be able to apply a gradient a lot easier
than we can in PSP now, too. ;-)))) Give a girl a ride and she wants to
drive.

> > > Now if I could only make an on-demand gradient out of that.... without
a lot
> > > of work....

Okay Lotus, sit up straight!

Reduce the colors on any favorite image to 16, from the Colors menu. Pick
either Octree or Median, it doesn't matter. Just don't pick Windows. The
rest of the settings won't matter either.

Hit the Print Screen key on your keyboard.

Right-click your desktop and choose PASTE AS NEW IMAGE.

Crop that humongous screen capture sucker down to just those 16 indexed
colors, that are now visible on your Color Palette. You don't have to be
overly tidy, that won't matter at all. Just whack it down.

Okay, lean back and high-five yourself baby. You have now quickly and
simply whipped yourself up an extremely handy, and a very useful -> FAKE
ta-da PALETTE. Fake palette is um um good. Let's just take this moment to
all do the WAVE together here. FAKE Palette is one of the coolest things
we'll get mitts on for instantly customizing & coordinating our colors in
Paint Shop Pro.

FAKE is a simple "boiled down" image of those rather slippery and elusive
companion colors that we need/want/desire/pant for and lust after- but then
moan and bitch to the high heavens, when we cannot find them. We now use
this FAKE as our own personal artist's palette; to paint with, to pick
colors offa, and for a multitude of handy uses in ALL SORTS of ways that can
tickle our fancy.

Let's make that lusting Lotus Blossom her customized gradient. Granted,
this ain't no add-on two hundred buck frigging filter with a RANDOMIZE
button on it. Nonetheless, it's pretty damned cool and may even put a smile
on her greedy little gimme gimme face. It CAN make part of her gradients
dream come true, real fast and easy, and real right now, and not cost a
dime. Her leftover two hundred unspent bucks can now be funneled over into
more shoes and manicures.

Have your FAKE 16 color palette created and open.
Fire up your gradient editor and hit EDIT.

Choose NEW and name it something catchy like "cool-assed gradient-trick".
Okay fine, name it something shorter if you must. I'm picking the name 9er
since this particular gradient will have 9 colors.

You've already got two markers visible by default. Take the mouse and
quick-click another seven more markers into place. We've now got nine
markers in our gradient editor, sitting open right there beside our FAKE
palette image.

Hit that first marker with your mouse to make it active, then immediately go
over to your FAKE palette and click on any color. That color is now the
starting color in your gradient. Click on the second marker, and run over
to get a second color off your fake palette. Walk right down the line and
make yourself a nine color gradient right off of your 16 color image.
Doesn't matter what order; just click a marker and then click a color on
your fake. Once you've got all nine colors installed in the gradient, go
ahead and drag them around anywhere you'd like. Got too many colors, pull
the marker away with your mouse, and that color disappears. Got green at
the end of the gradient when you want it to be in the middle? Just grab
onto that green guy and drag his marker over into the middle of the bunch
without letting go of the mouse. Drop him into a new position anywhere
you'd like.

Say hello to fast, flexible, completely tweakable, customized pile of highly
compatible colors, all insinuated into a complex gradient. Anybody wanna
shout AMEN? Okay I will, AMEN. :)

Porter

If you really do want to reorder your gradient according to hue, or
luminance, or order? After you've reduced your image's colors, hit one of
those swatches on your Color Palette to pull up that indexed dialog. Order
that dialog however you'd like from the drop down list provided there at the
top. Now hit Alt-Print Screen to capture just that dialog, and use it as
your FAKE. Example of both types of screen caps and results at:
news:alt.binaries.comp-graphics

Yes, I can see why it used to be :)

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When I was a graduate student I was oxidizing something
with potassium ferricyanide (forming the ferrocyanide).
The glassware had a microcrack and when I applied a
vacuum the entire thing exploded (or, rather, imploded).
Stuff splashed all over the place. We mopped it up as
well as we could. However, over the following months
and years ferrocyanide and ferricyanide reacted together
to form a wonderful (and giant) splodge of Prussian Blue
on the wall - the Kris Zaklika Memorial Stain. It was
only painted over a few years ago and until then stood
as a silent witness to the tribulations of a chemistry
graduate student.

--

Gee, my chem lab explosion just caused the chalkboard to bubble...but I can
assure that oxygen and hydrogen combine explosively in the presence of
flame.

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Cliff Otto
baseb...@hotmail.com

I don't know how to automate it, but some of the grunt work can be
eliminated.

http://abe.midco.net/bobdietz2/Archives/
Right click on QGradient.zip and download it.
Unzip to your gradients folder.
QGradient.zip contains the following gradient files-
zzz02.jgd
zzz03.jgd
zzz04.jgd
zzz05.jgd
zzz06.jgd
zzz07.jgd
zzz08.jgd
zzz09.jgd
zzz10.jgd
zzz11.jgd
zzz12.jgd
zzz13.jgd
zzz14.jgd
zzz15.jgd
Write protect those files if they aren't already.

Assuming you've got 2-15 colors to turn into a gradient.
Click on a gradient swatch to open the Gradient dialog.
Click the Edit... button.
Scroll to the bottom of the Types list to find the zzz## gradients.
Select the zzz## gradient where ## matches the number of colors.
Click a marker - click a color.
Click a marker - click a color.
...

Yes. Maybe a Process Markers... button?
Process Markers buttons -
Sort by Hue
Sort by Luminance
Sort by Palette Order (What would that mean here?)
Equidistant spacing
...

Applying an existing gradient seems simple enough to me, but accessing
the editor seems needlessly convoluted.

Bob Dietz

Click the Copy... button and choose a name.

Bob Dietz

Yeah yeah yeah, I know, it's the click a marker-click a color boredom I'd
like to alleviate. Lazy, I know.

That would be good. I could like that.

Well, I won't drag any other names (applications) into it, but it could be a
LOT easier.

Bob, we finally had a breakthrough moment, I grok now. It was your
simple discription, click a button, click a color. Never heard,
thought, or did it just that way before and I just made a simple
gradient, then went back and added a 3rd color, I've got it damit.
Thank you
Part 2. Now if you can do that for me with the stupid masks in PSP, I
will be your slave. I had conversations with Kris about these, but
still don't get it, yet in PS, they are not that hard.
greg

I'm glad you found the gradient stuff helpful.

I don't think I really grok masks myself. I experiment with them
now and again, but when push comes to shove I end up using feathered
selections, layers and/or soft edge brushes.

Bob

Angela,

Ok, I bought this one today....it caught my interest much more than the
others. Gonna take a look at it tonight. I was wondering how Pantone
colors convert to RGB, but an online review of the book says it can be done.

> maybe a half dozen colors,[.....] I just think that those squares in the

I don't quite understand what you and Bob are talking about, but I'm
printing your instructions and will try them!

Bob,

You mean 'grasp'?? You seem to know it everything else! : )

> [...]the Kris Zaklika Memorial Stain.

Kris,

You make quite a 'memorable stain' here, too! ; )

Kris,

Hahaha! About the only time I veered from my typically masculine taste.

"Grok" is so much more than grasp - it really means to know, almost
intuitively, on a spiritual level. You have to grok "Stranger in a
Strange Land" by Robert A. Heinlein to grok "grok". ;-)

Jackie

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Good choice. This one is my favourite. The book is well laid out, easy
to flip through and the combinations themselves are extremely good.

I dunno about that, sometimes the things Kris says just go
<zzzzooooommm> right by me. If you ask him to draw you a picture, so to
speak, he will :-)

I'm not sure that I grasp when and/or why one might choose to
use a mask rather than a feathered selection or soft edge brush
(possibly combination with one or more layers.) But I suspect the
concept may finally drift within my clutches if I continue to
contemplate this recent post by Ronald Vick.

http://tinyurl.com/nl6

Bob Dietz

If you have any idea the amount of will power it has taken to not say what
I'm thinking....

I may have an aneurysm. I was going to say "stroke" but aneurysm, yep
that's what I'll have.

>Jackie Laderoute wrote:

Hmmm. Let's see - what do I use Masks for?

1. "Paint-On" selections.
2. Differential effects - duplicate the layer, run an effect, reveal
(all or partially) the unaffected layer. This lets you produce a fake
soft focus, for example - or you can drop the saturation on the top
layer and use a paintbrush to reveal colour only where you want it. Or
blend any effect smoothly into another.
3. Edge masks - quick edging effects for images.

I'm with Ron - the masking tape analogy is very limited. I like to
think of it more like silkscreening, where the density of the screen
determines the amount of effect produced (and you have 256 densities,
running the gamut from full effect to no effect).

My god woman, I wasn't sure if anyone would get, except Mr. K. and he
probably grokes Shakespear too.

Stranger in a Strange Land is my favorite Heinlein novel.

SciFi comes up in this group often enough, I'm sure that many
if not most of the regular posters must grok what 'grok' means.

Bob

>Fugitive wrote:

If that's so, it makes them more well read than XXXXXX% of American
readers. can't use generalizations because Mr. K. might have a fit,
but to me a very high number.
Greg

Ain't that different in PSP. Just the Quick Mask stuff is
missing so you have to do: (1) Masks > New > Show All; (2)
Masks > Edit; (3) Masks > View Mask.

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I don't have fits - it's unseemly :) While I don't read science
fiction, I do know what grok means. I tend to think of it as
internalizing a concept.

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One thing a mask offers you is varying feather around the
boundary since you paint the mask on and can pick the
brush hardness. Selections and masks are interchangeable
by saving one in the alpha channel and then retrieving as
the other. Masks affect what you see in the image;
selections influence what gets affected in the image by a
tool or filter. It really is very straightforward. Masks
and selections are both just greyscale images (but you
can't see these images directly) and this is why they are
so easy to interchange.

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If you buy the Pantone software. Even then the result is
rather approximate. The Pantone colors are defined as
swatches and the way they look will vary with the ambient
lighting. What - you don't have a standard light source
and a viewing booth? Really :)

Just search jointly for "artist" and "color wheel" on Google.

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I got it, but I never liked that word, always thought he could have uses a
less ugly-sounding word for the rather nice concept.

Valentine Michael Smith was an odd sorta guy.

Sally

I think it's safe to assume that most of the regular posters ARE better read
than average. I don't think we want to go trotting out SAT scores, etc.,
but I'd say this is a pretty intelligent and intellectual bunch.

Sally

Restating what you already said -

Same:
+ Masks are just greyscale images.
+ Selections are just greyscale images.

+ Masks can be saved as (to) an Alpha Channel.
+ Selections can be saved as (to) an Alpha Channel.

+ Masks can be created (loaded) from an Alpha Channel.
+ Selections can be created (loaded) from an Alpha Channel.

Different:
- Masks affect what parts of the image you can see.
- Selections do not affect what parts of the image you can see,

- Masks do not influence what gets affected by a tool or filter.
- Selections influence what gets affected by a tool or filter.

Any other points to add to these lists?

Thanks, again.

Bob

Now your starting to sound like Mike C., you want to give lessons in
literature, find the correct forum. My statements were sincere and in
fun, and it seems to me you just want to fault that, so FO Lacy.

>On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:31:15 GMT, Fugitive
><gregfar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> so FO Lacy.
>
>As elegant and articulate as always I see but I guess you pick up that
>language in some of the other groups you frequent. Btw it's Lacey with
>an e.
>
>It was you who suggested the people here were not well read and that
>people who read Heinlien were de facto well read people, I suggested
>otherwise.
>
>I hold many of the posters to this group in high regard, present
>company excluded, and took offence at your statement and exercised my
>right to express that offence by countering you.
>
>My opinions on RAH are mine and I'm entitled to them. Whether you
>agree with them or not is none of my concern.

You specious prig, you were trolling me, as always, and I won't take
it from you or anyone. You don't have to express every thought that
goes through your narrow mind. Anyway, you left, remember? That's
three times now. I think you blamed me for a couple. If I'm so awful
to interact with, don't. At least when I say something, I mean it, I
stand behind it, and if I find that it's wrong, I reverse it. You, on
the other hand waffle like a teenager.

Ron,

Is he the one who invented that *maneuver* that helps you if you're choking
in a restaurant? ?<g>

I didn't know 'grok', but I do know 'choke'! :))))

> I never cared for finger soup.

Ron,

I think Hannibal Lechter did! ; )

Bob,

Yes, he was quite helpful, wasn't he? I find that with Masks, it's better
to just do one rather than trying to understand by reading about them.

>[...[ I like to

Jackie,

Silkscreening! Yes, much better! Forget thinking of it as "masking tape."

Thanks!

Bob,

I don't think the above sounds correct. I was able to apply a Quick Mask to
a face in PS and use the Gaussian Blur filter only on that area. But, I had
to convert from Quick Mask to Regular Mode first, which gave me the marching
ants before it would work. Now, I'm confused again....... : (

Kris,

Oh, *minor* detail! What if I just scan a color combo I like from the book
and then use the PSP dropper to determine the color codes?

Oh, yes.....right over my bed! Isn't that where you keep yours? <G>

Sally,

Oh, what a naughty girl we have here! ; ) He's "stained by brain" with
his wisdom!

Angela,

Yes, I could hardly drag myself to bed last night after midnight! It's
visually a treat, and the double spacing of the text makes it easy to get
through. One of the reviewers on Amazon said that the author is a color
lecturer and wonderful speaker, too. There was even a review by "Angela",
and I wondered if it was you!

> Ron,

Dunno nuffink about Mr Heimlich or however you spell it... "It"

Mr R.H is famous for describing the noise a nipple makes when aroused.
"Spung" And if I can again stop myself from laughing so much that my
shaking fingers won't hit the correct keys...

Ahm! I've now collected myself. The book is "Friday" BTW.

Deary me...
Cheers
Dave S

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>Fugitive wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:06:17 GMT, Fugitive
>> <gregfar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>......
>......
>PSP 7.x color picker does essentially the same thing.
>File> Preferences> General Program Preferences>
> Dialogs and Palettes (tab)>
>......
>......

A 65 thread message and I don't have a clue what the problem is you
are all trying to solve!
Ember

Nope, wasn't me. That gal looks to be in NJ, I'm halfway across the
continent in Wyoming. I ordered my copy through the Graphic Design Book
Club. Amazon will not let you post a review of a book unless you bought
the book through amazon. Graphic Design BK, BTW is a really good place
to find books like this, it's like most book clubs, you get X books for
fifteen bucks something when you sign up then have to buy a certain
number within a year or maybe not, the site says that you don't have to
now. You can sign up online for it at:
http://www.graphicdesignbookclub.com
They send you a catalog once a month with a reply card. If you don't
want anything, you can go to the site and decline the featured
selection. If you *do* want something, you're better off sending the
reply card snail mail, because if you send a check along with the order,
you don't have to pay shipping. I had no problem meeting the within a
year commitment, actually I have trouble with wanting just about
everything they carry :-)

HOW magazine also has a section at amazon where you can find design
related books without having to wade through searches:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/301884/103-2134447-0410214

--
Angela M. Cable
http://www.neocognition.com

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