Hello folks,
in the time that this discussion lasted, TCPDF released not one, not
two, but 15 new versions...
We still have the problem, that Joomla actually does not really support
this PDF feature properly and all the arguments that have been stated
here earlier, still apply. Besides that, Phoca has a better PDF solution
than is currently in the core. However, we also see people wanting to
keep this feature. For those people, I'd like to propose that we remove
it, but provide a sample implementation from the core team, which you
can install to get back that functionality and to show third party
developers how to do this.
This would mean that Joomla still will have this feature as an
extension, but it will also mean that it wont really be developed after
the Joomla code is mostly bug free once. As was said earlier, we'd see
this more as a task or feature for third party developers and thus would
only once provide such a sample implementation and then expect other
developers to pick up from there.
I'd like to hear from you, if that would be acceptable. Of course the
difference between 1.5 and 1.6 with installed PDF feature should only be
obvious to the really trained eye. :-)
Looking forward to your responses.
Hannes
Leftfield schrieb:
> For me, it was sad enough with: "6. Joomla users expect this feature."
> PDF function is/was so much standard feature that i can't image Joomla
> without it.
>
> On Apr 14, 6:15 pm, infograf768 <
infograf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure I agree with this.
>> A few remarks:
>>
>> 1. Last version of tcpdf has really much evolved since the older
>> version we have in 1.5 (last version is 4.5) and it is only (library +
>> freesans fonts) a bit more than 500k tgz
>> 2. Yes, the library is updated frequently, but of concern to us are
>> only major versions (i.e. 2, 3, 4 ). Also, the developper (Nicolas
>> Asuni) is very responsive and any suggestions we would do would be
>> listened to and implemented.
>> Btw, we have the same issue with TinyMCE. We are just starting
>> discussing updating to Tiny 3.
>> 3. The most important "bug" is IE7 pdf display (there is a solution in
>> doc.joomla by Mark) which is NOT tcpdf related, but a Micro$oft issue.
>> 4. A more current issue happens when there is local formatting in
>> content, defining font-family, a bad habit anyway.
>> In this case tcpdf chokes because it does not find the font. A good
>> help and some overlibs should document this better.
>> 5. No one has really tested (unit-test) last versions. My non-unit-
>> tests show here a real improvement on most aspects (Tables, RTL,
>> specific multibytes languages).
>> 6. Joomla users expect this feature.
>> 7. The only 3rd party solution I know of and which is not commercial
>> (Phoca PDF) installs OK here but I can't get it to work on a 1.5.10
>> or earlier. It has still been in alpha stage for months.
>> 8. Plugins do not work in 1.5 pdf because it is not implemented in
>> view.pdf.php
>>
>> JM
>>
>> On Apr 14, 12:38 pm, Lukas Polak <
polak.luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This isn't exactly true, because they have an option to install third
>>> party library for it, what, after all, they did many times because
>>> actuall pdf library has to be updated almost every month to keep it as
>>> much functional as it is possible, so therefore I don't problem with it.
>>>
>>> elf
>>>
>>> Bojan wrote / napísal(a):
>>>
>>>> I agree as well with dropping the PDF Functionality in the joomla 1.6 it
>>>> is clunky and not as usefull, but please note that a lot of people are
>>>> used to having PDF on their sites, it would most certainly cause a big
>>>> array of panic and confusion among the administrators that are not so
>>>> well familiar with the production of joomla, and do not read the changelogs.
>>>>
>>>> Bojan.
>>>>
>>>> Lukas Polak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I definitely agree with this. After what I've seen, PDF functionality
>>>>> should be yield to third party community, which have more time to
>>>>> mainterance the current working version of it and you, guys, can focus
>>>>> on more serious issues and features for joomla. that's mine opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> elf
>>>>>
>>>>> Ercan Özkaya wrote / napísal(a):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you can see on the roadmap for 1.6, PDF functionality is to be
>>>>>> examined and dropped if necessary. We wanted to ask about what people
>>>>>> think for leaving this feature to third party community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First my reasons for wishing to drop that from core:
>>>>>> 1- It's not a very needed feature anymore to have a pdf for each
>>>>>> content item on your site.
>>>>>> 2- It was a maintenance nightmare in 1.5 (Try searching for pdf in 1.5
>>>>>> tracker:
http://tinyurl.com/35xr9x)
>>>>>> 3- The library itself is updated very often and we can't just update
>>>>>> it for each maintenance release we do.
>>>>>> 4- It does not work very good anyway at the moment. You can't use
>>>>>> plugins on it for example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could keep support for PDF document type in JDocument if necessary
>>>>>> and it would be very easy to create a third party component for this.
>>>>>> And we also get rid of about 1 mb in package size after dropping this.
>>>>>> A nice gain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do you think?
>>>>>>
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