I often hear that 'everyone is born an atheist' ; but it is rather questionable .

NO ONE is born an atheist . If you were, you would have no reason to
ask your Parents : how did all of this get here, or, why are we here ?
You would automatically assume it was NATURALLY and for NO
PURPOSE ...but...you didnt assume that. Your Parents response , based
on thier philosophical bias, groomed you to believe they were telling
you the truth. Then as you entered school, you got some reinforcing
ideas that you were just a cosmic accident of unpurposed Pond Scum .
As the years went by, and you started to adopt a self centered
lifestyle based on maximum pleasure , you found atheism best suited
your lifestyle choices with the added 'benefit' of no ultimate moral
accountability to anyone higher than yourself. This continued into
adulthood , where, the total freedom for pleasure seeking became a
reality with being an adult. After many years of living in this
addiction to SELF , you refuse anything which becomes a fly in the
ointment to what youve chosen for yourself including : an
unwillingness to look into evidence for Creation , not wanting a
personal Creator to even exist , grasping at desperate philosophies
and theories that many others embrace as a philosophical bias, and, a
refusal to become LESS consumed with self gratification because it is
'your freedom and right' .

Now, please dont think I write this to upset you intentionally or to
invoke anger ; that is not my intent. I write this based on how I and
others came to be lovers and followers of our Culture and the
psychology that it entails along the way. It was very fulfilling and
comfortable for me to find solace in living completely autonomous
thereby having No One or no absolute moral standards to govern my
decisions of lifestyle choices . So today, i write this and wonder
how many of you can relate to what ive said above as the absolute
truth concerning the desire to be an atheist (??) . Thank you for
reading this and for your time in responding if you feel led to.

A lie is a very poor way to start your post.

I do not remember ever asking my parents that.

Besides, if we were born theists, we would have no reason to ask such
things either. The answer is ready made. Those of us who ask, they get
answers like storks brought you, and we are satisfied. We do not ask
that God made things. We just want to know how things work, everything.

First-person narratives, while perfectly acceptable,
should not be counced in second-person pronouns.

Haiku Jones

Here's another way I might put my think: maybe we were just born
CURIOUS atheists, eh?

It's always the ones who have no idea what an atheist is, or the
implications in the real world outside their religion, who claim to be
ex-atheists.

Even though they might fool fellow Christians who have no idea either,
I don't know why they would expect to fool atheists.

Sorry bub, you're wrong. All children are born with no knowledge of
theism. They practice no form of theism. They can not be theist as it
is beyond their comprehension.

All children are born atheists. Get over it, you've lost.

--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
http://azhotops.blogspot.com
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology

Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________

This only indicates that people have a natural curiosity about things,
but not that they are born with an explicit belief in supernatural
beings, and specific ones at that. Do you find it just coincidental
that jewish parents happen to have jewish children, christians have
christian kids, hindus have hindu kids, etc? Nobody is born with an
adherence to any theology. They are indoctrinated by their parents
and community.

---
a.a. #2273

Born "atheistic", not "atheist". Thats an identity thing infants are not
capable of assuming, especially and prior to exposure to theism.

He's still lost though. ;\

--
*===( http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
*===( http://principiadiscordia.com/
*===( http://www.slackware.com/

-snip self indulgent patronizing kitsch-

I strongly object to your usual cut and paste misunderstandings,
but this glimpse of your insides is worse. If you spread out
your twisted personality in alt.atheism, you will get reactions
like you didn't lock the toilet door.
Daydreaming about unbridled lifestyles thanks to denying God,
maybe fed by memories from some event in your long gone youth,
nothing but envy and remorse when you think of the fun some might
be having right now .
You call your present boring life "governed by absolute standards".
Isn´t there a group like "alt.pew" or "talk.smug_square" that would
welcome you? Even the minimum standards in alt.atheism are not
met by your postings.

ed wolf

After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must
wash my hands.
Friedrich Nietzsche

"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a0a1e892-bb45-4ad0...@r24g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

This paragraph does not follow logically. I haven't read the rest, as it is
tiresome and boring and I don't have the time. It seems to me you really
want for it to be true that people are not born atheist, so you are willing
to invent as many lies and deceits as you feel necessary, in typical theist
fashion, to try to warp the truth to your own point of view.

When you were first born, did you know what the concept of 'god' was?

No.

Therefore, you were an atheist.

Sorry if that upsets you.

I can easily fool a xian that I'm one of them, but I would feel really
dirty afterwards.

Well said. One simply cannot be born with a belief in the supernatural, as
that is a concept that must be inculated by others.

How do you arrive at that conclusion, Sparky? Asking questions makes one
a theist? You have some unusual word definitions.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

Then no one is born a dipshit. Did you have to work at it?

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Looking forward to May 21, 2012 or is it 2011? Or is it sometime in
December? These idiots can't even agree...

You were an atheist?
That is difficult to believe.

How does that follow?
Inteligent and curious people ask questions.
It is religion that (in general) supresses questioning and searching
for your own answers.
"Faith" is a virtue in religions - thinking for oneself (Heresy) is a
sin.

The sun naturally produces heat - but it still makes sense to ask "How
does the Sun produce heat"
So - no - that doesnt make any sense at all.

Luckily they are very honest people and do tell the truth - as well as
they know it.
They instiled in me the importance of honesty and ethical behaviour.

No i didn't.
You keep on using the word "accident". I dont think it means what you
think it means.
The universe is orderly and lawful.
Hydrogen and oxygen form water because the structure of atoms makes it
energetically favorable.
They have a natural affinity for binding to each other.
You can quantify this affinity - in Joules per mole.

Eh? You are talking complete nonsense.

Bullshit.

Mark.

Not theist *includes* atheist.
There are other ways of being not theist apart from being atheist.

All true and correct.

That's nonsense.

There are more than one way of being wrong.
8-)

Mark.

No.

The a- prefix means "not", in the sense of "the absence of the
prefixed property".

So it's binary one is either theist or atheist.

Of course, "atheist" doesn't mean what theists imagine it does.

No, it is accurate.

That's no great achievement, seeing that they fool themselves daily.

But why would you *want* to do that?

--
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all individually tailor
made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer.

Or "without" or similar.

Or Pantheist or a Deist or a rock or a newborn babe.

I dont base my ideas on what they imagine.

We have been through this before - I dont think arguing is goin=g to
help
I just like to point out that not every atheist agrees with the
"babies are atheist".

Mark.

I also found that particularly bizzare.

Mark.

As I was never indoctrinated as a child, I have been an atheist since I was
born.
I have never believed in any god(s). How do you explain that?
I was, and still am, curious about the world around me, but I will never
accept "Goddidit" as a reasonable answer to any question without objective
evidence that such a being exists. No such evidence has ever, in recorded
history, been produced.

It depends on the pantheist or deist. If they describe the u=niverse
as God, or think that a god fired it all off then they are some kind
of theist.

If somebody is silly enough to bring up rocks as either theist or
atheist then rocks are trivially atheist - but it says more about the
person bringing it up, and it's not very flattering.

But then you already know this.

Where did I say you did?

So why did you bring it up?

They are TRIVIALLY atheist. Why do you keep leaving that out?

And it is important because of of use who were never taught to be
theist, remain exactly as atheist as the day we were born.

Which has already been explained.

>Mark.

OK I dont beleive that they are TRIVIALLY atheist.
Is that better?

Sure - its been explained and I still disagree.

Mark.

I dont want silence to be taken as acceptence.

Mark.

Indeed. I was exposed to the Greek and other myths before I
encountered my first Christians. The only thing that happened was I
became aware that some people still believed what ignorant and
uneducated people did thousands of years ago.

It made no difference whatsoever to my not having that belief myself.

They are also trivially amoral, apolitical etc. Even if you pretend
otherweise.

Then you won't let atheists like Stoney or me be atheists.

Why not?

>Mark.

Whether you like it or not, plenty of us remain as atheist as the day
we were born.

Why don't you think we are atheist?

>Mark.

You're not the same after you know about a belief as you are before. A baby
neither knows of the concept of god nor could he deal with it if he did. An
adult who knows is no longer in this innocent state, you are compelled to
take a position, either accept it, reject it, or declare you are agnostic.

You have partaken of the apple..

You're not the same kind of atheist. Thought and reason has made you
different.

Anyway, it doesn't really make sense to call a baby an atheist, you may as
well call a dog an atheist, neither has the mental capacity to know what it
means.

So, Lack of mental capacity defines Atheists, according to Atheists!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

How apt!

How satisfying that even though all the atheists have run away, unable
to debate my ideas, those ideas are so influential that others are
repeating them endlessly!
Months ago I responded to the atheist dogma "if it can't conceive of
God, it's an atheist" .. by pointing out that dogs and dogshit, trees
and tampons, snot and shit are atheist, by that definition! B^D

I was the first to lampoon their DESPERATE attempt to inflate their
pitifully small membership roll by including barely sentient and non-
sentient entities.. with IQ's much higher than atheists themselves! B^D

Now atheists repeat my satire in the increasingly acrimonious faction
fighting and SCHISM which rends atheism! B^D

We all know those who ran atheist regimes were dogs, now atheists tell
us dogs are atheists! B^D

# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# alt.atheism,alt.religion,aus.politics,uk.politics.misc,aus.religion
# alt.politics.communism,alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats
# Subject: Re: The Real Atheists - "Atheists are babies" B^D
# Message-ID: <V3Vrl.25408$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:44:05 GMT
#
# Virgil wrote:
# >fasgnadh wrote
# >>
# >> I have had atheists claim that not merely
# >> agnostics and humanists are (unwilling and unwittingly)
# >> part of the atheist fold, but so are BABIES.. B^D
# >> So desperate are they to swell the pathetic numbers which
# >> reveal the disdain in which most rational humans hold them! B^D
# >>
# >> Their argument was typical of their purely theoretical sophistry,
# >> "babies have no conception of God.. ergo they are atheists!" B^D
# >>
# >> It is hard to disagree with the notion that Babies are as
# >> lacking in rational basis for their views on God
# >> as adult Atheists! (possibly another oxymoron,
# >> they all seem to be pimply grade schoolers. ;-)
# >>
# >> Of course, by their 'reasoning' (oxymorons seem to multiply
# >> exponentially when discussing atheists ;-) then sheep,
# >> trees, algae and rocks all have a world views AS sophisticated
# >> as the finest atheist 'minds' (oxymoron) in Usenet!
# >>
# >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
# >>
# >
# > babies are certainly non-believers.
# >
#
# As are rocks, trees, grains of sand on the beach and my dog, Deefa!
#
# In fact Deefa is the most intelligent of all of you.. and unlike
# Atheists, HE'S NOT BARKING MAD! B^D
#
# You blokes are clearly the Kookiest cult on the planet! B^D

Even though killfiled by all the timid atheists who have run away,
my ideas continue to dominate alt.atheism!

You can hear them gnashing their teeth in impotent rage! B^D

--

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

I think we are born capable in believing just about anything. We
believe anything our parents tell us. My parents told me about god
before they told me that one plus one is two: They told me about a
christian god and a very specifically protestant one, and I believed
them. Other kids were told other things by their parents. Wars have
been fought over the different things that kids get told. The sad
thing is that all the parents weren't lying or deliberately making
trouble - they genuinely believed what they said because _their_
parents had told them.

I am not pretending anything.
I do not believe that it makes any sense to call a non conscious non
self aware being "atheist" or "theist" - I think it is literally
meaningless.

"Not even wrong" is the phrase that leaps to mind.

I cant stop you being atheist.
Remember I also have never been a believer.

Mark.

I was indoctrinated, but my sons weren't. I have never told my sons
that there is _no_ god - I simply didn't tell them that there _was_ a
god: Consequently they remain, as they were born, atheists.

[...]

One can be capitalistic, and not "be a capitalist".

Once can be communistic, and not "be a communist".

One can even be theistic, and not "be a theist".

Therefore, one can be atheistic, without "being an atheist".

The difference is in the inherent qualities, and the deliberate adoption
of them. The confusion comes from thinking that if an infant "isn't an
atheist" that they must therefore "be a theist". Many get confused with
this one. It makes more sense if you think "The infant isn't an atheist
yet, but is atheistic."

"Atheistic" (and subsequently "atheist") is an artificial (and extremely
loaded in favour of theistic concepts) term used to describe what is
clearly a default state, prior to exposure to theism. Simply by using it
though, one lends credence to theism by citing it where it is not
required, giving it a place in one's view and terms of reference. This
problem is inescapable as long as you use theistic terminology to define
things.

The infant is, when all this is done with, simply an infant, and
hopefully will develop ito a free thinker, which is indeed the natural
state for a human, free of all that theistic clap-trap. FREE of it, not
just defined by it as a "not-theist".

As for those pesky /blobbists/... Pah! ;)

--
*===( http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
*===( http://principiadiscordia.com/
*===( http://www.slackware.com/

So in the USA, where only 0.7% of the population are atheists.
that means 294,000,000 people abandoned atheism as soon as they
were old enough to develop reason and logic!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA

Thanks for explaining that! B^D

Start counting

http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/gnoreligion/flash.htm

R

Your were never an atheist, Dave. Being angry at 'god' does not make
you one.

PDW

You either are or you are not. There is no middle here. You either
practice some form of theism, or hold a belief in one, or you don't.

You either have theism, a theist, or you are without theism, an atheist.
It is a very simple concept, one that the fundies will never
understand. But there is no reason to make it more complex. It is a
binary position. A person either is, or is not theist.

--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
http://azhotops.blogspot.com
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology

Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________

Being born an atheist doesn't mean being born with an innate
understanding of natural processes, it just means being born without
believing in a god, and the fact that you have to ask those questions
demonstrate that you don't have the god belief otherwise you would
know the answer. The fact you have to be told "there is a god, and he
did it" shows you didn't already believe that.

And if you don't believe in a god, what does that make you?

>"El tigre exterminador" <powwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ee3df3c4-fb74-4257...@u38g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

The existence is a far gone conclusion for the intelligent people without the
benefit of inculcation.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

>All children are born atheists. Get over it, you've lost.

Sorry, commander, but atheist is a rejection of God. All children are born
without that ability. Get over it.

>Here's another way I might put my think: maybe we were just born
>CURIOUS atheists, eh?

You may have been born curious, but you were not born an atheist.

>One fine day in alt.atheism, "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com>

>Then no one is born a dipshit. Did you have to work at it?

Theism is an advancement, atheism is a digression.

Which is the label for somebody who isn't theist: one who does not
believe in any god or gods.

>> That's nonsense.

No. It's the trivial case of....

"One who does not believe in any god or gods".

Which in spite of what people who start definition wars imagine, can
be found in most dictionaries.

The problem is that even some atheists have fallen for the theist's
false dichotomy that gets neither atheists nor agnostics right because
it invents positions for people outside the theist paradigm they don't
actually have as though they were inside it.

Even though these form a silly false trichotomy even inside it.

Instead of addressing the position they imagine a label with many
meanings only has their cherry picked one and apply that meaning to
all atheists.

So?

Exactly. Which is why the "trivially" gets used a qualifier in the
case of newborns.

They are also trivially amoral, apolitical, asynchronous etc.

Or Richo who is in fact atheist.

I've noticed that a lot of strong atheists seem to think "weak"
atheists aren't atheist but agnostic even though we've got nothing to
be agnostic about.

In fact the idea of being agnostic about what is merely somebody
else's religious belief makes no sense to me.

Nor does believing that the object of that belief doesn't exist.

Because it does not mean the same thing outside the theist's paradign
that it does inside it.

I don't have their belief. That's all. And the reason why I don't
doesn't matter. Although it is exactly the same as the newborn's: I
wasn't taught it in my early years. But that's only one of the
possible reasons.

It is a member of class of a few thousand similar beliefs that include
Zeus, Odin, Krishna and the rest of them. Part of somebody else's
culture and religion around which they perform various rituals of
worship, supplication etc and weave all sorts of myths and legends.

An anthropological phenomenon.

That's all.

I have no reason to treat it differently than all the others.

Both misrepresentations of atheist and agnostic elevate its apparent
importance when it is unimportant and irrelevant outside their
religion.

Exactly.

Which is obvious to anybody who was never taught to be theist as a
child and has remained outside the theist paradigm all their life.

They have exactly the same amount of belief that they were born with,
ie none. And have nothing to believe doesn't exist, nor to be agnostic
about.

It is telling that the last time this came up, Richo said "but that's
not what an atheist is", which was a complete red herring because he
implicitly acknowledged this point of view.

"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2jko759usd65aou0g...@4ax.com...

Not everybody defines their life by a magical sky-daddy.

Shame you find this concept so difficult to understand.

Get over it.

news:rlko7513425frgd4j...@4ax.com...

Yes, I was.

And so were you.

I know you find it hard to deal with.

I'm completely unsympathetic.

If he wasn't born an atheist, then he must have been born a theist. So
which of the wide choice of available gods was he born believing in?

He's one of those loonies who imagines theism is instinctive because
he learned it so early in life it became almost hard wired. So he
imagnes atheism has to be taught.

That's why I was trying to draw him out on "flavours" of theism. I'm
guessing that he imagines everyone is born a Roman Catholic and either
rebels or gets corrupted by some other religion.

Just refuse to stop lying, huh?

YOU get over it, Dork.

PDW

I know it's impossible for you, but could you try a little harder to make
sense?

Unmet challenge #2
Provide *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation. Not Bible
quotes. Not quotes from creationists or atheists or evolutionists.
Not divine revelation. Not juvenile unsupported ignorant assertions.
Not chants of 'no it isn't!'. Not counter challenges when you haven't
even met ours, but *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation.

Unmet challenge #3
Provide evidence that shows how DNA is the work of a creator. Show us
this evidence and explain how it demonstrates a creator.

Unmet challenge #4
Support claims that bacteria have never arisen from anything other
than bacteria/life has never arisen from anything but life.

Unmet challenge #5
Provide evidence in support of the creationist claim that information
cannot be added to a genome.

Unmet challenge #6
Define scientifically what the "genetic boundaries" are: specifically
what the mechanism is which (according to creationist claims) prevents
one species from evolving into another species over time.

Unmet Challenge #7
Provide your scientific evidence (as opposed to your LYING,
unsupported bullshit, which has been refuted repeatedly) to support
your creationist claim that life cannot arise from organic chemistry,
when scientists have repeatedly demonstrated that the truth is quite
to the contrary

I'm waiting.

Budikka

Neither do I have a concept of any god as I never was indoctrinated, yet I
am an atheist.

> nor could he deal with it
> if he did. An adult who knows is no longer in this innocent state,
> you are compelled to take a position, either accept it, reject it, or
> declare you are agnostic.

Not every atheist was once a theist.

>
> You have partaken of the apple..

I've never been a theist, so I've never 'partaken of the apple'.
Do you deny that I'm an atheist?

--
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all individually tailor
made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer.

Do you know of any theist babies, theist dogs or theist rocks?
If not, then they *must* all be atheists. What alternative description of
their (lack of) beliefs is there?

I suppose the atheists can still claim all the semi-sentient
and non-sentient entities to bloat their pitiful

> Start counting
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/gnoreligion/flash.htm
>

Good grief, what sort of primitive proposes to count state
by state from a graph WHICH DOESN"T EVEN IDENTIFY THE TINY
PROPORTION (0.7%) OF U.S. ATHEISTS, when a survey of religion
in the USA provides the aggregated figures AND reveals the
difference, for these ignorant and dishonest atheist LIARS, between
"ATHEIST" and 'non-religious' {which includes agnostics, donkey votes,
don't care, and too stupid to decide! B^)

The breakdown shows that even the AGNOSTIC sub-group of
non-religious is larger (0.9%) than the ATHEIST one(0.7%)!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA

Once again we see that the old propaganda lies of Pravda are
still used by modern(sic) Atheists who are are dishonest, innumerate,
and incapable of statistical analysis

Here, Start reading and get a clue; ;-)

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D

http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/reports/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf

Atheists really are S-L-O-W L-E-A-R-N-E-R-S

I posted on this matter of Teaching Atheists Statistical Analysis,
MONTHS ago, but there is a constant stream of new atheist ignoramus's
who have line up to repeat the same old atheist distortions and have
their stupidity and lies exposed..

# Subject: Teaching IRRATIONAL Atheists about Sample sizes in polls!
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,aus.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <W5ZKl.7997$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 14:51:34 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

# Subject: Re: Atheists misrepresent survey
# - Teaching atheists about Statistical Analysis AGAIN!
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.atheism,alt.history
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# Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:04:58 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^

They eventually learn, and join the mass of defeated losers in
alt.atheism who realise they cannot deal with the impeccable
logic and fact-based argument of their nemesis, who now DOMINATES
their pathetic cult's newsgroup! B^]

Go join them in Kowardly Killfile Kastle, until you GROW UP
and join the majority religious, which is what you all claim
happens to 99.3% of the 'babies who are BORN ATHEIST'!!! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA

My trophy room is now the size of a mid-Western BARN! B^D

>You were an atheist?
>That is difficult to believe.

He would not appear to have the sentience to qualify.

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aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

Exactly as I have done with my sons. Attempting to indoctrinate them with my
lack of belief may well have caused them to rebel and go in the opposite
direction.
But it's peculiar how these things work out. My sister, brought up in the
same family circumstances as me, is very religious and even moved to the
'Holy Land' about 15 years ago.
Pity me, because I'm going to visit her later this month and will be staying
in her house and subject to her stupid religious rules :-(
Although I love her dearly, I'm making my visit as short as politely
possible ;-)

We leave those non-sentient entities to membership in theist sects,
where they belong.

I often hear that most Christians are born Jewish but become
Christians when they grow older.

Look at Jesus. He's a good example!

And Bob "Robert Zimmerman" Dylan, who happens to be in the studio right now
recording his first Christmas album! :)

"According to Billboard.com, the rock icon will be joining a long tradition of
born-Jewish artists (a mazel tov salute ?round the yuletide tree to you, Neil
Diamond, Barbra Streisand, and Phil Spector!)producing albums full of
Christmas cheer.

Bullypulpit.com reports that at least four songs have already been recorded
for the upcoming release at Jackson Browne?s Santa Monica studio, including
?Must Be Santa,? ?Here Comes Santa Claus,? ?I?ll Be Home For Christmas? and ?O
Little Town of Bethlehem.?

Yes you are. All that happens is that you become aware some people
believe something. It makes no difference whatsoever to your own not
believing it.

So? He still doesn't believe.

Yep.

I really don't know why this is so hard to understand. Gods are
somebody else's religious belief. It's a cultural or anthropological
phenomenon.

Again, why can't they understand this?

They seem to imagine that its merest mention takes it from the realm
of "part of somebody else's religion" to "the object of their belief
does/doesn't exist".

A bit better off than a lot of theists, for a start.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Manitoba 3, Houston 1 (May 25: Moose advance, 4-2)
NEXT GAME: The 2009-10 opener in October, TBA

Where is your PROOF that he isn't an atheist?

It appears you are Ravin' without evidence for your slanders, again!

When I claim that Atheists are LIARS and HYPOCRITES, who
impersonate religion for the purpose of trying to discredit it,
I provide EVIDENCE from the mouth's of atheist frauds themselves:

# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
# after being refused permission to put atheist
# advertising on buses." - The Age 29/1/2009
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
# we're not one," Dr Perkins said."

So It's Official, Atheists falsely pretend to be RELIGIOUS! B^D

Just as they do in Nth Korea, to try and gain some measure
of respectability, and to trick people into accepting them
for something they are clearly NOT! B^p

You can understand why the lying atheist hypocrites do this,
historical atheism has a reputation of terror, torture and
murder far worse than any other ideology of the modern era.
They are a despised minority who are not even true to their
professed beliefs, choosing to live in the modern, open,
free and democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies which tolerate
them, rather than in the last of the atheist states, Kim ill
Fuks Nth Korean shithile!

They are COMPLETELY clueless! B^D

> : It's always the ones who have no idea

That's definitely you atheistst! B^D

Why do you morons all jump on board some irrational
atheist fuckwit's false claims when none of you have
offered an iota of proof!?!! B^p

> : I don't know

Well, that is your normal state, completely CLUELESS! B^D

> they would expect to fool atheists.

Sure, it's not a big ask! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAHAA!

But in this case you offer no proof he's done that,
so you are all just FOOLING YOURSELVES! B^D

What is really hilarious is that these slandering pack hunting
atheist thugs freely admit the deceit they falsely accuse OTHERS of!
What rank HYPOCRITES they are;

> I can easily fool a xian that I'm one of them,

You brag about the very deceit which your moronic mates have
falsely accused another of doing!

Is it the INBREEDING that makes
all you 'tards thicker than pigshit!?!!!! B^D

> but I would feel really dirty afterwards.

Deception like yours SHOULD make you feel dirty, you are dirty!
Perhaps even a brief time pretending to be decent gave
you some spiritual insight into the reality of your false persona.

Knowing what you truly are, ...a fraud,
is the beginning of transformation, grasshopper ;-)

But only 0.7 are still atheists once they have grown up and
become capable of rational thought!

When do you plan to do that?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAA

SO, ONLY INFANTS INCAPABLE OF RATIONAL THOUGHT ARE ATHEISTS!! B^D

We all thought that was the case, thanks for ADMITTING IT! B^]

Get over it, you have LOST BIG TIME, DIPSHIT!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA!

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# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
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#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

No wonder!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA!

B^D You are the only morons THICK enough to CLAIM THEM
in order to boost your pathetic membership!

It's PRICELESS! Atheist themselves have declared that
all babies are atheists, and only 0.7% of mature, rational
ADULTS in America claim to still be atheists.. so 99.3%
of those born 'atheist' grow up and renounce it!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA

And this admission comes in a thread where atheists, without
any proof, claim someone who describes himself as an ex-atheist
was never one!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

They are congenitally CONFUSED and IRRATIONAL!

Clearly, all the INTELLIGENT ones, 290,000,000 Americans
have woken up to what a peurile, irrational, irrelevant,
idiotic cult wank atheism is, and walked away from it! B^]

cadit quaetio! B^)

You must have been listening to athei-infants, child,
you are completely wrong!

The point is, it is not their opponents, but ATHEISTS
THEMSELVES who make the claim that all babies, being
incapable of rational thought, are 'born atheists'..

..as they become rational mature and GROW UP!!! B^D

WHEN WILL YOU???? BWEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!

BTW, they become RELIGIOUS, not necessarily Christian..

but we can't accept you athei-infants to grasp fine detail, when you
can scarcely grasp your crayon!

B^D

Yes, he is, I am so pleased you are exhorting
people to look at Him as an example!!!!

See, you are starting to grow up already!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA

Next atheist Lightweight, please! B^]

Same as 'adult' atheists, as Slimer will now demonstrate for us: B^)

Certainly, but most of the babies grow out of it and become
RATIONAL, INTELLIGENT and MATURE RELIGIOUS adults!

The developmentally challenged obviously remain atheists,
along with the dogs and their dogshit, rocks, trees, tampons
bacteria, snot, smegma and shit.. I think God designed it
that way so the atheists wouldn't feel COMPLETELY ALONE!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA!

The facts are clear, atheists claim all babies are atheist,
and as only 0.7% remain atheist when they mature and become capable
of rational thought, we finally have an explanation for why so
many atheists post like IRRATIONAL, BARELY SENTIENT, INARTICULATE,
INNUMERATE, IGNORANT INFANTS, INCAPABLE OF CRITICAL THOUGHT; B^]

When will the retarded atheists ever get a clue and GROW UP!?!?!!!

Ignorance
Immaturity
Semi-sentient
Pre-rational
Illiteracy
Moronic
Infantile
Rabid
Stupid
...

....

any word which describes the mewling infants which atheists
claim the VAST MAJORITY of atheists are, and then
DEMONSTRATE! B^)

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"Statistics show that most atheists, as defined by atheists
themselves, ... still shit their nappies!"

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA!

and only 0.7% of adults in the U.S.A. are!

That's 99.3% who GROW UP once they can think rationally!!!

When will you!? B^D

The atheists are in complete disarray, a schism over
the fundamental elements of their Dogma is deepening
as they turn on one another with the same venom,
lies and hate that they normally employ against the
religious majority among whom they choose to live;

Priceless coming from dogmatists who refuse to accept that
most non-religious EXPLICITLY SELF-IDENTIFY as **NOT** ATHEIST: B^D

It's clear why Atheists claim BABIES as members.. because,
unlike agnostics, BABIES CAN'T ANSWER BACK AND DECLARE THAT
ATHEISTS ARE FULL-OF-SHIT LIARS who claim people are atheists
when those people don't see themselves as atheists!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

Well that's a powerful argument, he's an atheist, most atheists
are infants who poop their nappies, so he won't understand! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAA

The sophistry and irrational twaddle of atheist ideologues is
as abstruse and contradictory as the theological arguments
about how many angels fir on the head of a pin!

Atheists ALWAYS ignore the facts, like the historical reality
that every athesit regime has been a totalitarian tyranny, because
they can't distort and endlessly waffle about that, they have to shift
the argument to DEFINITIONAL ABSTRACTIONS and IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS,
where opinions can be argued endlessly!!! B^D

That is why only the infants who suffer from retarded development
REMAIN atheists in adulthood! B^]

Their definition of Atheism is UNSCIENTIFIC becasue it cannot be tested...

Sure, you are both incapable of rational thought, logic, reason,
emotional maturity and keeping your Nappy clean! B^D

And it's probably too late to toilet train you, or
educate you toward spiritual intellectual or emotional maturity!

Sure, the inbreeding with barnyard animals plays a part! B^D

Apparently he objects to your argument that most atheists are infants,
or skunks, baboons, bacteria, trees, tampons, smegma, snot, dogshit..
each of which lacks a belief in God, and all of which do so with
more intelligence, honesty and grace than you.