Can You Hate the Artist but Love the Art?

Movie Stillmptvimages.com Marlon Brando and Eva Marie Saint in “On the Waterfront.”

The Issue

Last Wednesday Budd Schulberg died at 95. He was a journalist (particularly astute about boxing), a novelist (‘‘What Makes Sammy Run’’) and above all a screenwriter: ‘‘On the Waterfront’’ is a glorious accomplishment. He was also a man who named names to the House Un-American Activities Committee. It is not easy to reconcile Schulberg’s disheartening testimony with his splendid work. Does rejecting the artist mean rejecting the art?


The Argument

The work stands alone. When we are blessed — or is it cursed? — with extratextual knowledge, what is it that we know? Personal rectitude does not ensure an elegant prose style. Conversely, if scholars discovered that George Eliot had shot a couple of guys in a drug deal gone bad, not a word of “Middlemarch” would be altered. Why then should our response to those words be subverted? To read a book or watch a movie is to have an aesthetic response to the work, not to make a moral judgment about its creator.

And yet. Knowing about Schulberg’s (to me) perfidious conduct — he himself defended his testimony throughout his life — can affect how we see ‘‘On the Waterfront,’’ adulterating its joys, corrupting even its most famous scene. That’s psychology more than ethics — no conscious decision is involved — but it is particularly potent psychology.

The contracts of big-time actors and athletes often include a morals clause, less an expression of principled concern for the virtue of the performer than economic concern for the psychology of the audience: many fans won’t pay to see a miscreant perform. Michael Vick’s professional future hinges on how N.F.L. team owners assess that psychology.

Call it the Woody Allen Quandary. In the wake of the revelation of his involvement with Soon-Yi Previn, the young adopted daughter of Mia Farrow, then his paramour, some people refused to attend another of his movies. Feelings ran high. A roster of headlines from 1992, when the affair became public, includes the words “fallen icon,” “incest” and “enough to bring banishment or death in biblical times.” And this is a list of articles that ran in The Los Angeles Times, not The National Enquirer. Would you like some popcorn?

Allen has appeared in many of his movies, often as a character apparently based on himself, making it even harder to disassociate the artist and the art. Something related affects our response to ‘‘On the Waterfront,’’ a story driven by Terry Malloy’s deciding whether or not to testify about people he knows. Some critics see the movie as Schulberg’s apologia (an interpretation he rejects in this fascinating interview).

Unless you were eager to date Woody Allen or pal around with Budd Schulberg, why would you care what they were like as people? Few who renounce Woody Allen movies have a chance to renounce Woody Allen: it’s not as if he’s inviting them over for dinner. Budd Schulberg and I were in a union together, the Writers Guild of America — together in the sense that we both attended union functions at a time when I had my first TV staff-writing job and he’d had a brilliant career for decades. He spoke at a W.G.A. strike meeting in 1988, and I found myself more inspired by his passionate rhetoric than resentful of his past politics. But I was only a small child when he testified before HUAC. My response to those events is necessarily theoretical, distanced; my response to his speech and to ‘‘On the Waterfront’’ is visceral, immediate. Last year our union honored Schulberg; I’m glad it did.

It’s hard to be a good person; it’s hard to produce great work. Most of us accomplish neither. To demand both might be asking more than human beings are capable of. To deprive oneself of great work created by a less-than-great person seems overly fastidious.

Peter Shaffer poses a version of this perplexing question in his play and screenplay ‘‘Amadeus’’: can a bad man make great art? For Shaffer, the answer is unambiguously yes, to the chagrin of Mozart’s rival Salieri, who thought himself the better man yet knew himself the inferior composer. It drove him to despair. Or, Shaffer suggests, to something worse.

It would be so much simpler if all artists lived if not honorably then discreetly. We know remarkably little about Shakespeare’s life; perhaps that helps us respond so fully to his work. Or perhaps Shakespeare himself got it wrong when he had Mark Antony declaim:

The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones;

Maybe the evil that men do is interred with their bones. What lives after them is the screenplay to ‘‘On the Waterfront.’’

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You’re leaving one thing out, and that’s when the wayward artist stands to gain financially from your viewing his art. If an artist has done something I deem to be seriously wrong, I will not let willingly give him my money. So, if the artist is dead, or their work can be viewed for free, it takes away that financial aspect. Then the work can ‘stand alone’ more easily. Not the only consideration, but an important one.

Schulberg’s film may be wonderful, but how many other great films were never made by creative artists whose lives and careers Schulberg ruined or at the very least hindered by his naming names?

The same question plagues the reading of philosophy. Nietzsche is accused of being a proto-fascist, Schopenhauer of being a misogynist, Heidegger of being a Nazi and Frege of being a racist. Russell, meanwhile, had a string of affairs, as did Sartre.

And not a bit of it changes the truth or validity of their ideas. Lots of people have trouble with this and automatically reject the ideas of anyone who exhibits anything less than saintly perfection.

Many of the best things we enjoy in the arts were made by people we could never want as roommates. Artists speak for the rest of us in what is creatively possible and not necessarily about who they are. They express how far one can go with focus, invention and sheer craft. I love Francis Bacon’s work, but would I go with him on a camping trip if he was still around? I don’t think so.

The NY Times has always revelled in trying to reject art based on the politics of its creators. The symptom is an unfortunate outcropping of northeast liberal institutions.

One example is the ease and glee with which Richard Wagner’s creations are summarily dismissed, when to a plain ear they rank among the best musical compositions of all time, and were always thought to be until Politics entered the fray. People know which side their bread is buttered on.

Yes, you can certainly enjoy the art, go ahead.

We have just had the same discussion in Scandinavia in relation to the celebration of Knuth Hamsun’s 150 years birthday. Hamsun received his Nobel Prize in 1920 and had at that time written his most important works. In his later years he became a strong Nazi supporter and gave Joseph Goebbels his Nobel medal as a gift in 1943. Most people I have discussed this with have no problem admiring his work in its own right. The balance seems to have everything to do with whether you celebrate the work or the person.

What about Michael Jackson? Did the world just celebrate the person or his work?

hmm…eloquently put.. however flawed,.. in the wake of hitler’s.. autobon, or the volkswagen

I disagree with Mr. Cohen on the ‘perfidy’ of Bud Schulberg. Here is a clip from the NYTime’s obituary for Mr. Schulberg:

In the turmoil of the Red Scare, Mr. Schulberg’s testimony was seen as a betrayal by many, an act of principle by others. The liberal consensus in Hollywood was that Lardner had acquitted himself more gracefully before the committee when asked if he had been a Communist: “I could answer it, but if I did, I would hate myself in the morning.”

In the 2006 interview, Mr. Schulberg said that in hindsight he believed that the attacks against real and imagined Communists in the United States were a greater threat to the country than the Communist Party itself. But he said he had named names because the party represented a real threat to freedom of speech.

“They say that you testified against your friends, but once they supported the party against me, even though I did have some personal attachments, they were really no longer my friends,” he said. “And I felt that if they cared about real freedom of speech, they should have stood up for me when I was fighting the party.”

Wagner, Nazis and “The Ring Cycle”

If Hitler, may his name be blotted out, had been a better painter, would Mr. Cohen also state as glibly as he did, “perhaps Shakespeare got it wrong”? I recall attending the first session of an art class for assorted philistines such as myself, a physics major, in 1977. The instructor asked us to consider the beauty of an L.A. sunset, and opined that he though the effect of the thick layer of pollution on the dispersion of light and color was absolutely gorgeous. I dropped the class there and then. An aesthetic which demands absolute freedom and asks to be judged only on its own terms will be lobbying Congress very soon for NEA funding for artistic “snuff” movies – mark my word!

Yehoshua Kahan

Jerusalem

I see only some small point to framing this in terms of a somewhat ambiguous figure like Schulberg without, for example, providing the context of less ambiguous figures like Leni Riefenstahl or D.W. Griffith.

Up to a certain point, I don’t care what an artist’s personal life or opinions or political activities are. But there comes a point where condoning a monster’s art is condoning, and contributing to, how that monster makes his or her living.

I would resist, to my last breath if need be, any argument that there is no uncrossable line. If you concede that point, then I’m entirely willing to debate whether or not someone who named names to the McCarthy committee has crossed that line, and to grant the benefit of the doubt regarding the assumption of good will to someone who disagrees with me.

Schulberg was being asked to betray people who one could reasonably assume had granted him confidence. On the other hand, Schulberg felt rather strongly that they had betrayed him first. Either way, what Schulberg was being asked to do was to name people who had done something that wasn’t illegal, that wasn’t being made illegal, that technically they should have had no reason to feel afraid of being known for or ashamed of standing for if they truly believed it or meant it, and nobody went to jail (let alone died) because of his accusations. That being said, everybody knew that it was going to be used to informally punish people, to deprive them of their livelihoods, for having once held entirely legal political beliefs and having engaged in entirely legal political activities. A reasonable person could come down on either side of that debate.

So, no, I’d rather not frame this as granting carte blanche to someone for any bad thing they might have done, no matter how bad it was, if they also produced good art.

Schulberg also chose to remember F. Scott Fitzgerald in Fitzgerald’s final years very ungenerously. But art must stand alone. It gets absurd to compare the two. Shakespeare. What about Homer? He was such a jerk, so rude to his in-laws, but the Odyssey is a great yarn. No one cares about what Budd Schulberg did or didn’t do.

I agree with your argument but must note that citing “Amadeus” would be to misrepresent who Salieri and Mozart were in real life. Stories regarding enmity between the two men have never been proven and are regarded by many to be unsubstantiated rumor and gossip. And while Mozart is known to have enjoyed a dirty joke or two, nor is there evidence to suggest that he was as irresponsible, immoral, or immature as he was portrayed in the play and the film.

In addition, while Mozart is regarded as a transcendental genius and a musical giant, Salieri’s work is nevertheless respected and regarded as well-crafted, competent and enjoyable. And in his day, he was respected and well liked by his peers.

“It’s hard to be a good person; it’s hard to produce great work. Most of us accomplish neither.”

I would like to hear your definition of a good person before you condemn most of us of not being one.

I stopped reading before I found out too much about Mr Schulberg. On The Waterfront is America’s greatest movie, as far as I am concerned (I have never like Citizen Kane. So there!) I didn’t want to taint the movie with his politics.

As a result of HUAC testimony by rats, many artists were prohibited from working in The Industry. Let’s not take the same course.

Charles Lindberg was a racist and fascist supporter but that does not take away from his accomplishment. He should have been acknowledged but not honored as a hero.

Where would it end if we took this tack? Would we stop liking The Supremes because Diana Ross is a demanding prima donna?

Praise the work, condemn the behavior.

Really interesting question, really difficult. (Hmm, one can’t help but wonder whether the Ethicist has a personal investment in separating the ethical product from the ethics of the producer.) He’s right about a lot but wrong in two important ways. First, the better answer to the guiding question is Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Details and circumstances and even genre matter, which takes us to the second problem with Cohen’s reasoning: the assumption that there is always a clear division between the psychological, ethical, and aesthetic responses to works of art. These problems come together precisely in the Woody Allen (and many more) Quandry; many fans felt betrayed by the Soon Yi episode in part at least because what they’d admired in his work was the development of an enlightened moral vision of family relationships, and of relationships between men and women. Can a benighted destroyer of families produce an enlightened moral vision of same? Raising questions about the work once you know about its questionable provenance is not merely a psychological quirk. Biography may not be a necessary condition of appreciating a work of art (as RC’s example of Shakespeare makes clear), yet when the work itself, and especially if it is part of a body of work, engages moral questions the creator’s own moral obtuseness (or sensitivity) is not irrelevant!

The single most illuminating aspect of this article is your confession at the beginning that you considered his testimony to the HUAC Committee. You employ value-laden words like “disheartening” and “perfidious” to describe Mr. Schulberg, and this taints everything you build on such negative initial characterizations. My reading on the matter on the HUAC and the people from the entertainment world who testified before it suggests a less facile and simple (if not downright reductionist) moral situation than that you posit.

By Mr Schulberg’s own admission, he believed the Communist party to be a real threat to this country at the time he testified. While he later came to view HUAC as the greater danger to domestic liberty and freedom of thought, the important thing to recognize is that honest people can disagree regarding such matters. He was suggesting people who had always maintained that they were serious communists stand up for their beliefs in public, to criticize the government in the public glare of the hearings. That he was naive is easy to suggest; however, to suggest he was dishonorable or perfidious is quite another matter.

My understanding of Mr Schulberg’s art is that he attempted, often quite brilliantly, to bring the specter of the corrosive and corrupting influence of public policies and the social, economic, and political processes on private lives. Sociologist C. Wright Mills, a contemporary of Mr Schulberg’s, stated it most eloquently in a book called “The Sociological Imagination”: we live our lives at the intersection of biography and history. I believe Mr. Schulberg’s art was an attempt to graphically breathe life and drama into quite specific portrayals of this public and private intersection.

Just checking that Mr. Cohen knew that George Eliot was a woman. I’m all for equal opportunity for mayhem, but it’s an odd choice to have a woman shoot drug dealers. And Middlemarch is transcendental.

to separate or not to separate the artist from the art?
i don’t believe we should; legacies are too complicated for one-sided perspectives. history has favorably prejudiced some (ezra pound) and discriminated against others (wagner). but i personally believe we ought to examine and engage with art with our eyes open to its context. life is about shades of gray, rarely simple enough for pure acceptance or rejection.

It seems to me that if the work is of high enough quality, the politics tend to be swept aside. True that Wagner wasn’t the poster child for human rights, but I think even those who admonish him will have to admit that his talent for music was exceptional. His operas are still performed regularly and his music used even more so in film.
Another example would be Roman Polanski. Accused of raping an underage girl, flees the country, wins an Oscar. And deservedly so.
It would be a shame not to appreciate great art merely for contempt of the artist.

I disagree. What the author failed to incorporate into the argument is the element of my paying to support a person whom I strongly disagree with or, more importantly, who has used their credibility and fame, be it artistic or political, to the detriment or pain to me. If an artist is actively seeking to hurt an entire group of people, they don’t deserve the credibility and they don’t deserve the blind support from their targeted group. Woody Allen and Michael Jackson are not in this category, Adolph Hitler is. It’s clear to me that people like Budd Schulberg, as well as people like Mel Gibson and Eddie Murphy, and countless other homophobic, racist, anti-simetic, and misogynistic artists do not deserve their credibility. It’s our duty as a cultured and humane society to highlight their internal flaws in recognition of the pain they have caused to others. Although it doesn’t take anything away from their art, it does better represent their real and true humanity, culture, and compassion. Beauty, and art, is in the eye of the beholder – even when that eye has been spat upon. However, I can’t fathom to think that in that spat-upon eye, what they now see is still beautiful. I refuse to pay for their ignorance.

Time that with this strange excuse
Pardoned Kipling and his views,
And will pardon Paul Claudel,
Pardons him for writing well.

— Auden
— In Memory of William Butler Yeats

Yes, of course. But, as others have noted, that license only goes so far.

Though I’m more Robert Cohn than Jake Barnes, I still love Hemingway.

And yet I cringe every time I hear Wagner (whether or not those feelings stem from his beliefs or Nazi appropriation).

It’s funny how we would like artists to be some kind of superhumans or angels when some of the most moving works of art come from very dark places. All artists are products of their time and place and culture. I think it’s great to be aware of an artist’s politics or biography, but it’s up to the individual to decide whether that information detracts from the appreciation of the art. Sometimes it changes the way you feel about an artist and his or her work forever, and maybe it should.

The point of art isn’t to please everyone all the time, it’s about self-expression and everyone has a right to it, and everyone has a choice about what art they want to support or not. Aren’t we lucky to live in a time and place where we the have choice?