Comments on Putin's speech at the Valdai Club - full transcript : The Vineyard of the Saker

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The speech was a breath of fresh air. I'm so thankful someone in a leadership possession is specking the truth. Calling out the corrupt US Government is nice to see on the world stage for a change. Refreshing indeed! Blessings!

no man in the world last 60 years has been able to hold public dialogue and question and answer for so long and so many times as putin has done.(or may be chavezx comes to nearest second).
but anglo pirates donto udnerstand reason they understand stick and big stick only.
annihilate the enemies-no talk which they donto understand.

I was watching something on youtube when I saw this in the right hand column on the youtube site. It asked for petition signers. Was appalled at the bullshit content re Putin.
Naturally, I didn't sign.
http://secure.hrw.org/site/c.nlIWIgN2JwE/b.9210131/k.9DF/2014_Fall_Advocacy_Glass_Curtain_TEG/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?msource=SED201410c&gclid=CIPXn9CEyMECFUeBfgodHmYAbg

Great speech, thank you for the translation.

However, where Putin says: "You cannot mix politics and the economy, but this is what is happening now." must be an error in translation.

Politics and economy are joined together at the hip and always have been. He must know this.

Wow! Every single question was directed to Putin. Not one of the other members of the panel were addressed....

Christine

Two politicians I truly respect. Deng Xiao Ping, and Vladimir Putin. Hats off to you sir!

E-mailed a copy of the print version to the two WaPo reporters that presented a grossly distorted report of it in today's paper. Not that it will do much good, of course. But maybe someday, somewhere, somehow, they'll hear the nagging voice of conscience.

What an awesome speech by Putin of clarity, direction, analysis and wit. Anyone who reacts negatively to this speech, no doubt, should be considered a zombie, dead to truth.

After seeing Matt Lee of the AP at that recent State Department briefing trying to get the Naval Press guy to recognize that NATO is the one who has been encroaching the past decade, I am amazed at the depth of idiocy and lying on the part of our entire elite cadre.

Thank you, Mr. Putin for holding steady with the Light of Truth and Heart.

Putin is certainly the most modern, moderate proponent of Reform Capitalism and diplomacy in todays world.

He did show his true attitude about democracy and a bit of hypocrisy when he displayed his full support for the illegal coup government in Egypt. Why is a Fascist coup acceptable in Egypt and not in Ukraine?

The Q&A session had some great gems like this:

VLADIMIR PUTIN: I would like to ask you to reword the second part of your question, please. What exactly is your second question?

SEUMAS MILNE (retranslated from Russian): It has been said here that Russia cannot strive for leading positions in the world considering the outcomes of the Soviet Union’s collapse, however it can influence who the leader will be. Is it possible that Russia would alter its position, change its focus, as you mentioned, regarding the Middle East and the issues connected with Iran’s nuclear programme?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Russia has never altered its position. We are a country with a traditional focus on cooperation and search for joint solutions. This is first.
Second. We do not have any claims to world leadership. The idea that Russia is seeking some sort of exclusivity is false; I said so in my address. We are not demanding a place under the sun; we are simply proceeding from the premise that all participants in international relations should respect each other’s interests. We are ready to respect the interests of our partners, but we expect the same respect for our interests.
We did not change our attitude to the situation in the Middle East, to the Iranian nuclear programme, to the North Korean conflict, to fighting terrorism and crime in general, as well as drug trafficking. We never changed any of our priorities even under the pressure of unfriendly actions on the part of our western partners, who are lead, very obviously in this case, by the United States. We did not even change the terms of the sanctions.
However, here too everything has its limits. I proceed from the idea that it might be possible that external circumstances can force us to alter some of our positions, but so far there have not been any extreme situations of this kind and we have no intention of changing anything. That is the first point.
The second point has to do with our actions in Crimea. I have spoken about this on numerous occasions, but if necessary, I can repeat it. This is Part 2 of Article 1 of the United Nations’ Charter – the right of nations to self-determination. It has all been written down, and not simply as the right to self-determination, but as the goal of the united nations. Read the article carefully.
I do not understand why people living in Crimea do not have this right, just like the people living in, say, Kosovo. This was also mentioned here. Why is it that in one case white is white, while in another the same is called black? We will never agree with this nonsense. That is one thing.
The other very important thing is something nobody mentions, so I would like to draw attention to it. What happened in Crimea? First, there was this anti-state overthrow in Kiev. Whatever anyone may say, I find this obvious – there was an armed seizure of power.
In many parts of the world, people welcomed this, not realising what this could lead to, while in some regions people were frightened that power was seized by extremists, by nationalists and right-wingers including neo-Nazis. People feared for their future and for their families and reacted accordingly. In Crimea, people held a referendum.
I would like to draw your attention to this. It was not by chance that we in Russia stated that there was a referendum. The decision to hold the referendum was made by the legitimate authority of Crimea – its Parliament, elected a few years ago under Ukrainian law prior to all these grave events. This legitimate body of authority declared a referendum, and then based on its results, they adopted a declaration of independence, just as Kosovo did, and turned to the Russian Federation with a request to accept Crimea into the Russian state.
[...]

[Putin Q&A, continued]

You know, whatever anyone may say and no matter how hard they try to dig something up, this would be very difficult, considering the language of the United Nations court ruling, which clearly states (as applied to the Kosovo precedent) that the decision on self-determination does not require the approval of the supreme authority of a country.
In this connection I always recall what the sages of the past said. You may remember the wonderful saying: Whatever Jupiter is allowed, the Ox is not.
We cannot agree with such an approach. The ox may not be allowed something, but the bear will not even bother to ask permission. Here we consider it the master of the taiga, and I know for sure that it does not intend to move to any other climatic zones – it will not be comfortable there. However, it will not let anyone have its taiga either. I believe this is clear.
What are the problems of the present-day world order? Let us be frank about it, we are all experts here. We talk and talk, we are like diplomats. What happened in the world? There used to be a bipolar system. The Soviet Union collapsed, the power called the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
All the rules governing international relations after World War II were designed for a bipolar world. True, the Soviet Union was referred to as ‘the Upper Volta with missiles’. Maybe so, and there were loads of missiles. Besides, we had such brilliant politicians like Nikita Khrushchev, who hammered the desk with his shoe at the UN. And the whole world, primarily the United States, and NATO thought: this Nikita is best left alone, he might just go and fire a missile, they have lots of them, we should better show some respect for them.
Now that the Soviet Union is gone, what is the situation and what are the temptations? There is no need to take into account Russia’s views, it is very dependent, it has gone through transformation during the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we can do whatever we like, disregarding all rules and regulations.
This is exactly what is happening. Dominique here mentioned Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia before that. Was this really all handled within the framework of international law? Do not tell us those fairy-tales.
This means that some can ignore everything, while we cannot protect the interests of the Russian-speaking and Russian population of Crimea. This will not happen.
I would like everyone to understand this. We need to get rid of this temptation and attempts to arrange the world to one’s liking, and to create a balanced system of interests and relations that has long been prescribed in the world, we only have to show some respect.
As I have already said, we understand that the world has changed, and we are ready to take heed of it and adjust this system accordingly, but we will never allow anyone to completely ignore our interests.
Does Russia aim for any leading role? We don’t need to be a superpower; this would only be an extra load for us. I have already mentioned the taiga: it is immense, illimitable, and just to develop our territories we need plenty of time, energy and resources.
We have no need of getting involved in things, of ordering others around, but we want others to stay out of our affairs as well and to stop pretending they rule the world. That is all. If there is an area where Russia could be a leader – it is in asserting the norms of international law.

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/23137

As usual, Putin is very clear and to the point. He is highly perceptive about world trends at the level of national goverments. But I don't believe national governments are the key global actors today. I believe there is an underlying "post-Mafia" financial cartel that is calling the shots in world affairs. And they are accomplishing this by holding the major world leaders under threat, including the leaders of the US. I would put the Rothschilds at the top of the list of suspects.

Of course, I am speculating. Who can really know, except those so high in the power realms they deal with these bosses directly. But threat from higher covert powers seems the only explanation for the abject folly of the American government's behavior, since US leadership is not acting even in its own best interests, as Putin points out. Of course, even if Putin knew this, he could not diplomatically say it, especially in a public speech. My real question is, why don't people discuss this more openly? Why not let't just get to the point?

Wonderful speech upholding the principles of international law, based on justice and truth. The grave sadness of all of this is that the presumption of good will can no longer be maintained on behalf of the United States and its partners. The moral deterioration on the American side is stark and relentless.

Latest new Uke gas financing deadline meeting OCT 29 WEDNESDAY.

http://nsnbc.me/2014/10/23/western-sponsors-liable-kiev-basket-case/


Russia’s energy minister Alexandr Novak is therefore not only entitled, but is merely exercising a modicum of sanity, to insist that Kiev presents a definitive source of funds by the next trilateral meeting scheduled to take place on October 29.

Certainly the only world leader on this planet.
One thing i would still have liked him to mention is that the exceptionalism is only for the sake of control by the very few, and that these policies are utterly suicidal in all apects, notably the issue of climate engineering, which has caused and is causing earthquakes, floods, droughts, etc. Such as fukushima 2011, chile 2010, haiti 2011, krasnodar and moscow 2010 and 2011, bam in Iran, etc. And california, now

Www.geoengineeringwatch.org

There is a written transcript of the President's opening remarks, which also includes his responses to questions from the audience and the press, here:

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/23137

There was also an excellent speech by Dominique de Villepin - immediately following Putin. He's a real statesman of the type sorely lacking in Western Europe today. In a whole different league from stooges like Sarkozy and Hollande. He should be the next French president.

See a video of all the speeches and the panel discussion here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9F9pQcqPdKo

Diplomatic doublespeak aside, a pity he does not reveal that Islamic terrorists along the Potomac accomplished 9/11. Guess he is waiting for the right time when the news cycle is ready for the information. The big money players have mere national leaders waltzing to the sound of children dying and to be a leader means hearing the beautiful melody of cannons as an enchanting air. All leaders serve those called by Cicero i pauci, the few.

is is stunning to watch although i do not speak Russian, an encounter between NAF and Ukrs.civilians and commanders. this is the second of the kind, invited by the Ukrs, which appear to be waking up from dormition

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1863118.html

it surely is a precious document

there is something remarkable in the exchanges between Mozgovoi and the Ukrs through teleconferences, now the second just completed, in which it was revealed that alike in Maidan, both parties are certain that there is a third agency which works to stoke out war by staging provocations. Anyone?

What Putin is doing is establishing a basis for rational action in which multipolarity will not require Russia to be the only major agent. What better policy one could think of? The AZs are surely desperate, because if even they continue controlling the msm, the natural enfolding of the events, even if only initially committing governments, is that new rules will be established, despite all the efforts to establish anarchy.
As a political confrontation, the AZs have already lost in making evident for any national government around the globe, that for them, it is our rules or no rules at all. Within a certain window of stability, this might work, but as President Putin put it, this is far from being the case.
Indeed, the AZs have committed political suicide, and now it is a matter of time, God speed, for the logic of non-hegemonics to work out its case. This will naturally bring out the plethora of issues that humankind cannot longer avoid dealing with, in fairness.

To Anonymous at 18:26, who said," these policies are utterly suicidal in all apects, notably the issue of climate engineering."

I strongly agree with your viewpoint. It's extremely disappointing Putin does not denounce geoengineering as a world menace, and expose this dangerous and illegal program perpretated by the US and NATO. For reasons I cannot imagine, even he is cowed by the taboo surrounding the subject. How can his silence possibly be explained?

Thanks for making the statement.

What strilkes me as strange is that Putin doesn't seem to understand what this end-stage Vulture Capitalism under Oligarcy is all about. This cabal he wants to join and influence is about total control not shared hegemony between competing friends.

There can be only one winner with this system and all others will be losers or at best satraps feeding off the spilled crumbs.

The Power Brokers of the West, if they bother to read this speech, will laugh at Putin's naivete.

I fear for Russia's future with falling oil prices and another arms-race starting they face economic pressures similar to the time of the dismantling of the USSR.

@Donovan Kirsten,
I agree with you.

To be a forum for direct and frank discussion, I also missed any reference to the widespread corruption in high political and economic spheres, as this is the real cancer that degenerates into everything else.
If the trend is chaos, it is because people see the elites in a frantic race for capital accumulation at the expense of anything, including his own life and personal safety. In this environment, some miscreants leverage to organize for looting (read extremist groups) trying to win fiefdoms to impose its law. While ordinary and decent people, who prefer the quiet life and dedicated to the prosperity of their own ( like Russia ) perplexed at first before this maelstrom that sweepes away all its rights, is waking up and discovering that, as bear in the taiga, must also defend their territory, their life, that's when it takes to the streets to protest, without intent to return home until they talk about theirs.

To maintain social peace is not enough to agree with "our partners" in high standing meetings. We, the peolple, must be taked into account, be respected our rights and be established monitoring committees with citizen participation, from where at the first hint of corruption, the person responsible for would be put out on the street.
People are very tired of thieves and that teased them a bunch of bums.

Once, friend Kat Kan asked that what was wrong with a little of socialism.
I would say that anything, even with a much of, moreover, I would say that the future will be socialist or will not be.
I think Putin has understood, although perhaps still not see the point of putting the issue on the forums of international discussion. China should understand. In the US and EU, have totally lost perspective, have entered the loop and can not stop.
Smack is going to be epic.

Russia wants to develop Russia's resources for the benefit of its people. The United States (and Western Europe) wants to develop Russia's resources for the benefit of its multinationals.
Like two dogs fighting for one bone...

"If there is an area where Russia could be a leader – it is in asserting the norms of international law."

Cutting! However, I am sure the corrupt monsters at the top of the heap regard the law in the same way as they regard taxes - as in they only apply to small people.

Well, before my rant, I should have said that Vladímir Vladímirovich was very well in his speech and subsequent responses, as always. Sorry, I have not gone to the diplomatic school. No doubt he always is "sembrado".

Maybe me and other people of the world expect too much from him, as we are always told by The Saker.

@Donovan Kirsten,
I too have been frustrated by a lack of discussion of who/what is in the geopolitical shadows manipulating some decisions by "the visible global players".

The difficulties of discussing them/it begin very early in the mental process, starting with trying to clearly identify them/it when their/it's existence can only be asserted by inference.

The Saker's "AngloZionist" label gets the closest I've found towards this identification and yet still lacks substance.

Perhaps, again by inference, this is because the closer one gets to "naming names" the more personally threatening things get?

Wheather AngloZionist, Bilderberger, Transnational Plutocrat, Oligarch or a combination, they/it go to extreme lengths in masking their/it's existence.

Pres. Putin's policies and decisions ever since he turned the tables on The Russian Federation's "AngloZionist, Bilderberger, Transnational Plutocrat, Oligarch"s, who by the bye put him in power!, opps!, are diametrically opposed to what they are aiming at: a weak and divided Russian Federation ripe for expoitation for the benefit of very few!

So the dimensions of "the global shadow State", by inference, are tiny in personnel, immense in treasure, apocalyptic in action!

They/it are not going to stand on a podium and come out of the closet, we can but chip away at the enclosing obscuring firewall that's erected around them/it in the hope that the attention will curtail the rapacious abuses their/it's self interest perpetrates!

Vladimir Putin has outmaneuvered his opponents and humiliated Ukraine by continuing to back pro-Russian separatists and flouting a cease-fire, making it crucial that sanctions on Russia remain firm, France’s ambassador to the U.S. said.
The Russian president “has won because we were not ready to die for Ukraine, while apparently he was,” Ambassador Gerard Araud said yesterday at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington... Echoing the view of other European envoys in Washington, Araud expressed concern that the Ukraine conflict has hit an impasse, leaving Putin the winner by default.

Poroshenko is “kneeling in front of Putin with the cord around his neck and saying, ‘You know, you have won,’” and Putin is still not backing down, Araud said.

While many observers have called Putin a geopolitical chess player, he said, the Russian leader is more a “poker player really, putting all the money on the table, saying, ‘Do the same,’ and of course we blink. We don’t do the same.”

The economic sanctions against Russia must stay in place to prevent Putin from going further, said Araud, who moved to Washington in September after serving as the French ambassador to the United Nations.
“Whatever we decide is a disaster for us,” Araud said, again expressing his personal view. On one side, he said, lies France’s credibility as an arms supplier who delivers on contracts, and on the other, the difficulty of delivering a weapons system to Putin, who might use it against Ukraine or a European ally.

Araud concludes - rather ominously - and far too honestly for a paid-up member of the European elite:

“The question is there on the table: When is Putin going to stop?” Araud said. “That’s the reason that we need to keep the sanctions” because, “let’s be frank, it’s more or less the only weapon that we have. We are not going to send our soldiers in Ukraine. It does not make sense to send weapons to the Ukrainians, because the Ukrainians would be defeated real easily, so it will only prolong the war” and lead to a “still bigger Russian victory.”

Putin was stabbed in the back at Sochi and was truly caught off guard emotionally.

He was persisting in the hopes for a respectful world order even at the D-Day commemoration. With this speech it is clear that he gets it now.

The New World Order is a satanic cult, and must be battled as such.

That the Master of Usury and hedge funds, Georg Soros does not approve of Putin and considers him an existential threat,
(well he said the West, but in fact he meant his and his colleagues banksters' interests),
is enough for me to approve and support Putin as a guarantor for the delivery of Justice in the World.

I would go fight, but how can I do it if my girlfriend and cat cannot get by? It is a problem for me.
Go NuvoRussia!!!

He should have said : disband NATO. All other bets are off! Get off my lawn!

Also he should build a lot of international law universities and institutions.

Lets duke it out in Chess (Russia wins)

Are we so sadly short of people telling the truth in this world that we have to ask President Putin to tackle everything?

The things that people here are wishing he would speak about - 9/11, zionism, etc - are not things that fall to his governmental role to address. And they would be wasted ammunition at this moment. Would you have him waste his ammunition and diminish his influence just to suit your own impatience for someone to come out and say these things?

Right now it suits his position better, for example, to call 9/11 and ISIS examples of blowback from the previous support of terrorism by the US. It's not his goal to show that US secretly controls these things.

His speech here is to advance the view that the institutions and rules of the world have been broken and need to be fixed and replaced. Do you really think this is the place to talk about zionist conspiracies? One battle at a time, one issue at a time.

He's speaking to potential allies as well as the nations that already agree with Russia, giving them all the strength and initiative to create new institutions if it proves impossible to reform the existing ones. He says what is necessary to say, to gain what is possible to gain, and from his good heart to lend us all strength. I call this sufficient.

Furthermore, it's clear that Putin believes that nothing is black and white, and that there are always areas for discussion and negotiation. Even if the elites are plundering the resources of the world in a frenzy because of climate change - and I believe this is completely true - President Putin reminds us that there may still be vast opportunities for compromise and accommodation.

We don't know how deeply the global bankers control Russia. We don't know how well the institution of government can actually protect the interests of ordinary people against the depredations of the money interest. In the US it has failed. But Russia will try, I think that's apparent. Russia will try to negotiate such a thing over the years.

Remember, as the US slowly diminishes and other nations arise, global bankers will seek to strengthen their control there also, and it may not be possible to use the tool of zionism as a parasite the way it was used against the US. Other methods may be needed. But negotiation will never stop being an instrument that can make a situation better than it otherwise would have been.

On the issue of why Putin does not denounce climate engineering, i cannot tell but what i read months ago that he actually propugnated it, if we are to believe (!) The Guardian (UK), http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/19/russia-un-climate-report-geoengineering

and then the most remarkable

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/24/why-geoengineering-suits-russias-carbon-agenda

which altogether seems to me a lot of pressure on Putin to concede to the program. Recall, Moscow's forests were burning in 2010 and Krasnodar was washed away by a sudden storm at 4 am with people dying in their beds out of water rise.

Other sources in internet claim that there might be an agreement between Russia and the White ETs, and against the AZs and the Dracos, to stop it.

or perhaps, as with 911, he is waiting for another occassion to place all out to ample visualization.

There is something very strange which both Mozgovoi and the ukrs in their recent first teleconference had both mentioned: that there is a third party which is stoking war. both declined to identify it. So, the issue of EXOPOLITICS may be coming out to the fore

It was an awesome speech
You can view it here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo

Putin is the best world leader out there.......the only person that can stop U.S hegemony once and for all.

I watched the entire conference...I was extremely impressed with Putin, that he did not shirk from any difficult questions including those from British and U.S journalists. He provided adequate answers to nearly all questions. When have you seen a U.S president provide sincere answers or not have pre-selected questions organized for them?

Wayoutwest, 25 October, 2014 17:06, said:"...Why is a Fascist coup acceptable in Egypt and not in Ukraine?" perhaps a search for the background of "Morsi" would enlighten the understanding.

Its a great speech but Putin should have made it at the UNGA last month not here. Its exactly the speech that was needed to mobilize world opinion behind Russia. Especially when compared to Obama's speech and UNGA.

Too bad the forum was wrong!

Admiration and worries from Paul Craig Roberts: Putin is the leader of the moral world:

"As an American, try to image any known American politician, or for that matter any professor at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, or Stanford capable of giving an address to an educated discussion group of the quality of Putin’s remarks. Try to find any American politician capable of responding precisely and directly to questions instead of employing evasion.

No one can read Putin’s remarks without concluding that Putin is the leader of the world.

In my opinion, Putin is such a towering figure that Washington has him marked for assassination. The CIA will use one of the Muslim terrorists that the CIA supports inside Russia. Unlike an American president, who dares not move among the people openly, Putin is not kept remote from the people. Putin is at ease with the Russian people and mingles among them. This makes him an easy target for the CIA to use a Chechnya terrorist, a Jihadist suicide bomber, or the traditional “lone nut” to assassinate Putin.

The immoral, wicked, and declining West is incapable of producing leadership of Putin’s quality. Having defamed Putin, assassinating him will cause little comment in the Western media.

@ wayoutwest 25 October, 2014 17:06

I have to disagree about the alleged Russian hypocrasy in Egypt vs Ukraine. I'm not a Sisi supporter. The key difference is that the US instigated the coup in Ukraine while Russia had nothing to do with the coup in Egypt. It attempted cordial relations with Morsi and when he was overthrown, pursued cordial relations with the new military government. As far as Russia was concerned, the coup was an internal Egyptian matter and they weren't going to get in the middle of it.

If every country had that attitude it would be a more peaceful world.

P.S. I wouldn't call the Egyptian government fascist. Militarist, yes. But Egypt does not have, or at least I have not noticed, any ethnic supremacists of the Prawy Sektor, Sloboda type.

This sounds odd [at least to my ears and mind], but having listened to many speeches of famous and illustrious people, Putin's speeches [many others, not only this one] do come across the way JFK looked at this world. Where W & Obombi speak/spoke of war, fear and destruction, both JFK and Mr. Putin seem to be very rational and do trigger a spark of hope that, one day, we might very well inhabit a just world.

I just saw a headline [Has Putin Cancer?' which tells me the MSM control freaks are becoming desperate.

There is a bit too much of theater in international politics four me to be comfortable with Putin good and Atlanticist NWO bad. For instance did the West win the Cold War? Did the KGB really lose? There are commentators who are unclear on to who won since it was a stage managed collapse that got out of hand with a bit of asset looting by the wrong people. I also ponder the China card in this game. Who benefits by building up China and keeping the criminally corrupt CCP in power? Soros and his gang like the CCP. I am an ordinary dude, no special training in this area, but it does seem to me that the USA is being used to help a certain type agenda that might be more obscure than White hat vs, Black hat. The silence on 9/11 or 7/7 is curious.

Saker,
while I can but admire President Putin for what is fighting for and for the clarity of his vision, at the same time I cannot dismiss a feeling that he is too "idealist", too "naïve" perhaps in dealing with Western criminal voltures. Or may be the President has "so many different faces", and the one is wearing now is the "diplomat",: I have not yet seen "brutal force", and in this no one seems superior to the Anglo. Putin regrets the loss of lives, even enemies' lives, while for US-UK-EU individual lives are only numbers.

Apparently Putin still does not know what really happened on 911 - and who did it (Zionist Israel). How can the world take this man seriously if he fails to understand that 911 is THE issue of our time?! I am grieved that he just pooh-poohed it!

response to 'grieved' at 23:29

your comments are absolutely the best and most appropriate about President Putin's speech. I have been pessimistic about the future of life on the planet - until now. President Putin has given me reason for hope.

EXOPOLITICS (what I call the ALIEN AGENDA) is THE taboo topic which nobody (human) is allowed to mention in a Sochi-like setting of world leaders! The ALIENS (humanoid reptilians) are in TOTAL CONTROL and are continuing to DECEIVE the world population! Putin has a role to play in this "Theatre of the Absurd".

The Egyptian color revolution which lead to the rise of the Islamic Brotherhood with the support of the Saudis, was an anticipation of what is occuring in the Middle East.
Actually, there was a rift between the zionists and the usaians, with the latter backing the IB as part of the reinstatement of the caliphate. The military were not happy with the whole process at all, and particularly with the civil war that the IB started. So bye bye to Mubarak, but they did grab strongly the control of their country which was falling to complete anarchy. If one wishes to think in terms of American labels such as "democracy" which do not work for real in the USA, neither one can understand other countries where they hardly matter at al. After all, "Zion is the only democracy on the Middle
East", so one may ask the few Israeli thinkers outside the racial box what do they think of their "democracy" and they respond: FASCIST (see the recent book by Shlomo Sand, Why i stopped being Jewish). Perhaps the Americans reading this blog may call their "representatives" and ask them about geoengineering in California,New Orleans, the NAS spying them on their very beds, their nation once taken by many -out of lack of information- as a light for the nations that now has become an obvious global menace to life.

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http://nsnbc.me/2014/10/23/western-sponsors-liable-kiev-basket-case/

Wednesday gas talks do or die for Ukraine. Will Putin stand firm?

Dear Anonymous 23:41

Thank you for posting the articles about Putin's alleged support for climate engineering. If true, this is deeply disappointing, as I thought Putin was more intelligent than this. Perhaps the articles were wrong. I certainly hope so.

Putin is a national treasure and savior for Russia. I hope the Russian people appreciate what they have with putin.

Simply extraordinary - the only real leader the world has had since JFK.

As PCR has highlighted, President Putin is now assassination target number 1.

Lysander, I don't want to be too critical of Putin because I believe he saved Russia from complete desmemberment after the fall of the USSR.

I do think it is dangerous and ultimately counterproductive to see him as something he is not, a savior. He is a Capitalist Autocrat who wants to join the Capitalist World Class as an equal to fulfil his vision for Russia. His vision may be less extreme and controlling than that of the US but it will also lead to the destruction of the planet.

He didn't have to emphasize his opinion about the Egyptian regime in this speech so this is not just about cordial relations. Putin made it clear that democratic processes are secondary concerns at least where Arabs are concerned.

Egypt has been under a Fascist Military regime since 1952 and while it doesn't have the racial or ethnic component it meets my and Mussolini's definition as to the combination of the State with the interests of the Capitalist Class, much as we have in the US.

Up to this moment significant part of antiglobalist movement did perceive Putin as yet another part of global 'estabulls**tment' as he has to deal with his corrupt oligarch, has to meet with other global figures and so on. Now I would say, that with such amount of hate from people like Obama or Soros with speeches like this one Putin might become very popular figure among antiglobalists of all sorts. He is the first leader of a big power who dares to publicly speak out what many people - antiglobalists in particular - were thinking for years if not decades.

@Robert Snefjella said,
26 October, 2014 01:12,

I agree that President Putin is risking too much given the situation. Clearly it is a target to beat and we've all seen falling towers as high or even much less high.
Clearly he likes to approach and share with people, but sometimes I get nervous watching how he is exposed.
The only place I have seen a consistent security was on his recent visit to Serbia. On his arrival at the airport and until he left it almost always surrounded front and back by those Serbs as high as towers.

It may be that President Putin prefers risk to have a more normal life. Actually, with the troubles that has a position such as his, especially taking into account the current position of Russia in the world, receiving warmth and recognition of people is one of the few things that outweigh the sacrifice.
This also applies to other professions also very sacrificed.

"Good Bye, Lenin ?: The concentration of economic power as the fundamental cause of the economic crisis and the current global violence"

On the causes of the crisis and the global chaos, recent analysis of Mikel Itulain. At the end, link to pdf document with a must read: "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism" by V.I. Lenin.( I think essential to understand the actual world ).

http://miguel-esposiblelapaz.blogspot.com.es/2014/10/la-concentracion-del-poder-economico.html

My Valdai comments:

http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/valdai-club-2014-wladimir-putin-dominique-de-villepin/

Remarkable how Putin is able to talk coherently for three hours, where Anglo's remain the kings of the scripted oneliners and not much else.

Kind regards,
Dutch

Well I have seen the link to the Lenin's book in the article of Mikel Itulaín I have linked above does not work.
See if that. It is an indispensable classic and since is available as free knowledge .... then seized. It does not take a Marxist / Leninist. I consider general knowledge.

http://www.marx2mao.com/M2M%28SP%29/Lenin%28SP%29/IMP16s.html

Well the link above perhaps takes you to "JV Stalin Library", so then choose at down "Lenin Collection", and below choose "Capitalism Highest Stage of Capitalism".
I can not link directly to PDF, but this way, stakeholders have a comprehensive library for understanding the history of Russia and the world.

With regards to those comments above that said Putin wasn't clear on who has created and sponsored ISIS: Putin is actually very clear on this during the discussion, see full video as of 2:00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo

Concerning 911, Putin apparently believes it is wiser not to question it publicly at this time. Either for strategic reasons, or because he can't prove it 100%, or because the US/Israel can blackmail him as well. As we all know, his own ascent to power is also somewhat shrouded in mystery, some even speak of a KGB/FSB coup.

Arunhot C Stegiel said...@ 26 October, 2014 01:54

"got out of hand with a bit of asset looting by the wrong people."

Complete control cannot be exercised in any interactive lateral system.

In such systems there is no winning and no losing; which fortunately many don't perceive.

The "looting" served various multi-purposes.

I agree that especially in realpolitik, the economy and politics are connected. In place of "economy" substitute "practicality." It's trouble making an impractical "political" or diplomatic decision.

This natural predicament holds the most of us in check. Someone opined above that he would join the actual fight, but for his "girlfriend and cat."

But when the economic situation dominates politics, then you have a closer approximation of the situation. We've all been reduced by Soros types to a kind of inconsequentiality. But our financial rulers make a critical error in what I call the "show me state," of comprehending the world. Unless many of us actually witness proof, we are incapable of the analytic, or reasoning ability to think it through.

Global warming, not in back yard (yet.). As long as our "show me" financial leaders fail to comprehend that the human species is not composed of populations that don't matter, either in far off cultures, then in their native lands either by logical deduction, humanity from which they are or have become like many "capitulators" entirely disengaged, will come up and bite them in the goodness of time.

It's a natural phenomenon I think. The fact that people are not actually cattle for slaughter, and supply and demand for individual fortunes, but thinking beings, whose lives are all connected and important in their own rights. Anyone who has separated himself from this comprehension, has created a moral fallacy.

@grieved 23:29

I strongly agree with your comments.

Btw it would be nice if the new blog included a user appreciation counter (f. ex. 1-5 stars)

Putin does not intend to preside over the breakup of Russia nor the reduction of Russian influence in the world. This is clear. What is not clear and cannot be clear is to what extent the West is implementing a strategy on several tracks and which track is dominant. For instance, the West is making the Neo Liberal Putin into a white knight. Why? The West is implementing stupid strategic policies that weaken it's global order, in theory for oil, yet the primary beneficiary is China. China gets oil from Iraq and rare Earths from Afghanistan. This is more like a GO game than chess. I also find it interesting that other commentators have described the EU as a kind of Soviet. Is it feasible that the West is more Red than modern Russia? What would that mean? Merkel is former Stasi for example and other EU leaders have curious pasts as well.

on theme of the sick rampaging braindead zombie video game culture (not mentioned by pootin, but a microcosm of the thinking & behavior of the country at large scale), check this out--it's been going on for awhile, but it's now being done for kicks & ratings.

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/09/15/gamers-swatting-hoax/15653577/

In each case, SWAT teams dispatched to the scene found no violent criminals or wounded victims — only video game players sitting at their computers, the startled victims of a hoax known as "swatting."

No one knows for sure what is the official Russian policy on climate change. The Russian Academy of Sciences is a blackbox, surely full of AZs elements, and as far as i know, this is the case, extending too to Lomonosov State Univ. Moscow.
They invite them to visit the West, massage their egos and so it goes on. Not rarely, scientists in most of the world are corrupt to the bone either by ignorance or by betrayal of the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of money, honors, etc

Wayoutwest said...
“He is a Capitalist Autocrat who wants to join the Capitalist World Class as an equal to fulfil his vision for Russia. His vision may be less extreme and controlling than that of the US but it will also lead to the destruction of the planet.”

Putin is not well described as a capitalist and is not an autocrat.
The latter word refers to absolute power, while Putin is elected by the people of Russia, stepped down in conformity with the law, and is very concerned about honouring both legality and morality. Most heads of state have great power, both in fact and in effect. But that’s not necessarily autocracy.

The word capitalist covers much territory, beginning with, in simple terms, a capitalist is basically anyone who has money and invests it.
If you are saying that Putin’s ideology is that of say a George Soros, well then, that’s way, way out.
Putin has demonstrated realism, tactical and strategic acumen, patriotism, and spiritual concerns. Realism includes the understanding that capitalism writ large is presently an important part of the ‘conglomeration.’ Thus: gotta use it, deal with it, and try to keep it sane and beneficent.

I think it's a bit unfair to jump on a particular statement that he makes - such as politics and the economy not mixing - and seeing that as a definitive statement. I would interpret that as a rather unfortunate shorthand way of stating that he is for a bias on behalf of liberty in the economy, as opposed to the central control of any variation of Statism, the oligarchic/governmental merger of fascism, or Stalinism, etc.

@anon 20:19
"there is something remarkable in the exchanges between Mozgovoi and the Ukrs through teleconferences, now the second just completed, in which it was revealed that alike in Maidan, both parties are certain that there is a third agency which works to stoke out war by staging provocations. Anyone?"

I can easily imagine 2 candidates:
1. The neonazis: if they could provoke the NAF to hit the Ukies hard enough that would (maybe) break Poroshenko.
2.Komoloisky: a maximum of casualties on both sides are certainly desirable for him.

Any other candidates or objectives?

http://www.amazon.de/Whos-Who-Elite-Bilderbergs-Trilateral/dp/0964988844/ref=la_B00MAU5EZO_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414351013&sr=1-4

i was recently interested in cfr, ltc,bilderberger, etc. having read some history. The above book is a recent list of 15000 names of members of these groups from all walks of life. TPTB, if you will. Everyone meets to coordinate what to say in the press or "vote" on in congress, etc. So it is just a fake democracycontrolled by a few rich guys, that started it. I guess Putin is no member but a couple Chinese were kin Denmark in May at Bilderberger conference. EU, Euro, etc. came from these guys. The idea of all these people getting together seems reasonable from rockefeller, rothschild perspective to avoid ww1,ww2 type chaos. It is like smoke filled rooms used to pick presidents earlier. Now they do that so primaries are a joke and press headlines propaganda. He who does not play along has little future in business, press,politics. In USSR you had to have a party card and tow the party line. It is that way in Europe and America.

I read udo ulfkotte's book in german "gekaufte journalisten". He lived through this scene for 17 years. I thought reading about merkel's stasi past was a shock. Now i see that the entire political class is rotten to the core. The cia, cfr, all their clubs in each country wine and dine young influential people, give them favors, get dirt on them until they can't get out. It is mafia like you read herbert hoover tactics but more subtle, comprehensive, global scope. They seem to take no chances. I bet they blackmail the pope.

The deep state marches on--NOTHING impedes it except when in the end, sometime, we get a total collapse.

a glaring example of this rarely mentioned is just answer for yourself if at any time during/after the collapse of first USSR ca 1989, then russia 1998, "Did the Antarctic bases Russia has there for generations get sold off, or repoed, or undergo any change?".

Then "Did the space stations situation & the financing of ever shutdown, or change owner/occupants?"


BTW, to note is that pootin's long speech was obviously 100% prepared/written by script writers, he hasn't the time, so then why would his every action/inaction in his Dayplanner not be the same?

timely book out in a few weeks this seasoned old writer:

How do Wall Street, oil companies and the shadow government agencies like the CIA and NSA really shape the global political order?

That’s the question author Peter Dale Scott examines in his forthcoming book “The American Deep State: Wall Street, Big Oil and the Attack on U.S. Democracy,” due out on Nov. 12. Scott, a professor emeritus of English at Berkeley and former Canadian diplomat, is considered the father of “deep politics”—the study of hidden permanent institutions and interests whose influence on the political realm transcends the elected.

http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/10/26/the-deep-state-and-the-bias-of-official-history-2/

Many critics of Putin tend to misunderstand what his obligations, objectives and constraints are.
His first duty and obligation is to Russia. Not to the American left, 911 debunkers, Novorussia, China, Syria, Iran or even the world. Its Russia.

This does not mean that all those others don't matter. They do. But Putin must approach them from the perspective of Russia's interests. At least for now (If the global order suffers a catastrophic collapse, it will be in Russia's interests to 'save' the world.)

Putin is also constrained by Russia's real i.e 'hard' power. Its military and economic might. This is minimal compared to his opponents. Furthermore Russian hard power is of a binary nature. Its either too little or too much. Which is to say, there's not much Russia can do militarily against NATO without going nuclear. And there's not much Russia can do economically against the West without cutting off the gas i.e the economic nuclear option.

This severely constrains Russia's options for deployment of hard power against the west. This, by the way, is one of two reasons for no military intervention in USKraine and no major retaliatory sanctions.

Now, Russia's apparent power exceeds its actual power. Putin can gain some room for maneuver by pushing Russia's apparent or perceived power. As Stalin said, there is no difference between appearing to have power and having power. Which is true with one caveat. If you just have apparent power, you must not allow yourself to be in a situation where you must exercise real power.

In this situation the threat is more powerful than its execution. Thus the threat of direct Russian military intervention in Ukraine is a more powerful tool (for Russia's interests) than actual intervention. Same goes for the threat of full scale Russian sanctions against Europe.

The space between Russia's apparent power and Russia's actual power is where Putin must maneuver, very carefully. Hence all the behind the scenes machinations and caution.

I just wish this was tinfoil conspiracy but it's not.
USA supported Nazis in europe to crush Socialism communism. (Then they bombed them)

CIA had nazi specialists in counter insurgensy [counter revolutionary] brought to Brazil in South America post war

Operation Aerodynamic post war Nazis infiltration in Ukraine.

The infamous Dr Death, Mengele, lived in Paraguay and Brazil, as a CIA agent, and travelled to USA for several missions. The fuhrer died in Argentina in the 1970s, and the Mossad surely was aware of this.

The infamous Dr Death, Mengele, lived in Paraguay and Brazil, as a CIA agent, and travelled to USA for several missions. The fuhrer died in Argentina, he lived outside a small village in Patagonia, until the 1970s, and the Mossad surely was aware of this.his house was later puchased by Volkswagen, for whom Eichmann worked.

Here we go to the issue of the 3rd party stoking war, as revealed by the 1st teleconference between Mozgovoi and the Ukranians, Btw, Mozgovoi is convinced that among the maidaners fighting among the Ukr ranks, not all are fascists but people convinced that they are either fighting Russia or their proxies. Important to hold in account. Watching tne 2nd teleconference in Colonel Cassad, is most touching to see the empathy that the maidaners there present have for the NAF fighters, but for the Ukrs officers there present, survivors of the cauldron.

The issue of Exopolitics, as perhaps the source for the 3rd party provoking war. Let us recall, november 2009, early at around 5am, north of Norway, not far from where there is a usaeuro base for geoengineering. Suddenly, in the midst of invernal black sky a powerful light, vortical motions, enlightens the sky (see youtube). That morning obabomber receives the nobel prize for preemptive war doctrine. That very night, in Moscow, an enormous pyramidal structure hovers above the Kremlin and stays there until daylight. Rt news shows the structure, an amazing UFO, slowly rotating, no visible engines nor source for its literally floating on the air. This followed a week before a statement of the Russian Army, that the airspace of Moscow was inpenetrable to foreign forces. No official Russian statement followed this apperanc4, but for a statement that the norwegian event was an intercontinental bulova missile which had gone astray after its launching. The funny thing is that this alledged missile came out as a covering with the purpose of not compromising the USA further, which did not explode, only it circled until it smoothly disappeared.
Anyone?

Anonymous at 26 October, 2014 19:57 said...
BTW, to note is that pootin's long speech was obviously 100% prepared/written by script writers, he hasn't the time, so then why would his every action/inaction in his Dayplanner not be the same?

My guess is that Putin is either writing/dictating his own speeches or he is working closely with a speechwriter. What goes into his speeches is what he wants to say. The man is obviously too intelligent and has too good a grasp of the facts (as demonstrated at question time) to simply be a speech read. Besides I bet that Putin could turn out a speech like that in a couple hours. So why would'nt he have the time? He can talk at length and extemporaneously about all those topics in his speech.

Where I fault Putin is in too much caution. There is room for him to be much bolder in words and actions. Still, he is doing the right things.

Thierry Meyssan has another excellent piece on Syria/ISIS at voltairenet.org. Some of what he says:

Finally, Russia and China should urgently intervene against Daesh, in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, not out of compassion for the local people, but because this tool will soon be used against them by the United States. Already, if Daesh is controlled by Saudi Prince Abdul Rahman, who finances, and by the caliph Ibrahim, who heads the operations, its principal officers are Georgians, all members of military intelligence, and sometimes Chinese Turkic speakers. In addition, the Georgian defense minister acknowledged, before changing his mind, his hosting of training camps for jihadists. If Moscow and Beijing hesitate, they will face Daesh in the Caucasus, in the Ferghana Valley, and in Xinjiang.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185727.html


Putin did not deal much with Syria/ISIS in the speech but he should have.

Just following Putin's speech was that of a former Austrian govt official, then Q & A for Putin, which was more entertaining than his speech. I particularly enjoyed when audience members obviously and pointedly cued him to reply with stories which they had already heard. They showed an obvious affection for Putin and a desire for him to get these incidents on the video tape. I am sure you can find on the net the video of the Valdai Club final day, w the Q & A. --Penelope

Regarding Putin's comments which seem to say that he believes the 9/11 fiction-- There is no possibility that he doesn't know otherwise. Rather, there is a very deep 'peacemaking impulse' in Russia. RT also avoids the confrontational whenever possible. This impulse fights with the necessity to win the information war. Even on Crosstalk the most confrontational (tho true) views are never aired. An exception was partially made for the Ukraine crisis. Otherwise RT is nearly like MSM. That is why journal-NEO.org so shocks me & I want to know who is responsible for it. --Penelope

STEGIEL: Your question "Is EU Stasi-like" (paraphrase).
James Corbett put out a Corbett Report which traces an interesting connection between the early Bilderberg Meetings and the EU. This report on the Bilderberg is unlike any other I have heard in that it is actually seriously researched & I learned a lot of new things from it. Well worth your time. Podcast. http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-291-why-we-must-oppose-bilderberg/

@anderson 26 October, 2014 04:45

Wrong. Obama is the main target and has been since Nov 6 2012.

Israeli minister warns of crisis in ties with US | Veterans Today

...Lapid's using the word "crisis" was not a slip of the tongue, but calculated to twist the knife on Bibi over having the Military Affairs Minister turned away at both the doors of the Whitehouse and State Department... an unprecedented event.

As I posted last night in the initial article, Washington snubs Israeli minister of military affairs, this was a major incident taking place very close to the November elections...Obama telling Moshe Ya’alon and Bibi that the ploy not only did not work, but got shot down in flames in front of AIPAC and everybody.

Lost in all the post Gaza reporting is that Obama is financially supporting the Palestinian coalition government with Hamas, which Israel had hoped to taint forever, as part of his divide and keep the Palestinians conqured strategy. Obamas move was not only practical, but an olive branch to the new government after the US opened up its weapons storage facilities for Israel to help themselves during the bombing of Gaza...

WAYOUTWEST: 'Fascist' has a specific meaning, not just 'a military dictatorship'. Egypt isn't a fascist state. US engineered the overthrow of Mubarik, wanted even more control. Muslim Brotherhood won the post-Mubarik elections only because the elections were held so soon that no other force was organized and ready for elections. The non-MB candidates fragmented the vote. Result was that MB won tho not many wanted them. Morsi committed violations against the constitution, was headed for all-out dictatorship. More people came into the streets protesting his rule than had appeared against Mubarik!
The Saudis financially helped Sisi come to power and kick out Morsi cuz MB a threat to them too. MB wanted a Muslim Caliphate. Sisi shows signs of doing some things that help the people.

@Stegiel

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The USA and West are "building up" China?! That's a bad joke ... spoken like a Euro-American disinformationalist who's trying to obscure his own country's aggressive behavior against China.

America has multiple military bases surrounding China. These US military bases are hostile in nature. They are deployed to control and threaten China such as exercising American control over the Straits of Malacca where China's energy imports just so happen to traverse.

Economically, America's corporations go to China to exploit Chinese labor and to penetrate the Chinese market. It's only because China has a relatively strong state that it has been able to compel concessions from these American vampires in the process.

In Iraq, why do you think America is trying to destabilize that nation with its not-so-covert backing of terrorist groups like ISIS/ISIL and Al-Queda? In part, America is trying to threaten and disrupt Chinese oil concessions in Iraq.

This is exactly the sinister game America is guilty of in Libya, with its backing of terrorists like the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and in Sudan with the phony "Save Darfur" campaign.

America targeted both Libya and Sudan for balkanization and destruction, in part because they committed the "crime" of allowing Chinese oil concessions there.

China has prospered IN SPITE of America's best predatory efforts, which have sadly succeeded against other weaker states in the Developing world.

And George Soros likes the CCP? You sound like one of those Tea Party/NWO/miltia types who think that Wall Street capitalist, Barack Obama, is actually a Socialist.

As part of America's broader political subversion efforts, Soros has tried to extend his tentacles deep inside Chinese civil society, with a swarm of "human rights" NGOS and other pro-American/West agents of influence--ultimately to effect regime change and color revolution in China, as currently seen with the contrived Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong!

Turmoil in Hong Kong, Terrorism in Xinjiang: America's Covert War on China
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/10/turmoil-in-hong-kong-terrorism-in.html

Hong Kong’s Umbrellas are ‘Made in USA’
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/10/hong-kongs-umbrellas-are-made-in-usa.html’

The Soros-made “New World Order”: The Division of India, Russia, Indonesia, and China into Smaller, Weak Nations
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/the-soros-made-new-world-order-the-division-of-india-russia-indonesia-and-china-into-smaller-weak-nations/

George Soros, Imperial Wizard
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/finance/sorosempire.htm

Putin's comment on blackmail is very interesting. Now, who might be a possible target (Hollande?,Merkel?) And if Russia has evidence, why has it not been released?
It is possible that the evidence is not conclusive. Or, they could be waiting for the right time.
Anybody familiar with the German electoral cycle?

RobertS@18:19

I am not making a judgement but an observation about Putin who I see as a great leader. Russia has a mix of State Capitalism and the so called Free Market economics. This is what he has to work with and he certainly supports the Free Market sans too much government control as reflected in his "unfortunate shorthand"

I have yet to see any dictat by Putin to the Russian Parlament that was rejected and this shows a high level of control, probably secretly admired by many Western leaders.

The Ruling Class in Russia decide who will be elected just as the RC in the West decide who the rabble get to vote for in our faux democracy.

Putin always refers to the West as Russia's partners and always calls for working together including with the likes of George Soros.

Are there people who wanna translate Putin's speech at the Valdai Club into Dutch in a kind of translation group of four people?
For a person alone the translation would take weeks.
It would be great if this would happen. It's probably the most important text of this time. And for reasons of Public Relation a topmost thing that should be done for our fellow Dutchmen(~!~)

Feng said:"Are there people who wanna translate Putin's speech at the Valdai Club into Dutch in a kind of translation group of four people?"

Huh, why would you want to do that for? The Netherlands is surrounded by three local bullies: Germany, Britain and France, none of whom would care to learn our language. In the Netherlands nearly every garbageman speaks English and certainly those who would understand the meaning of the Valdai conference.

Waste of effort.

Kind regards,
Dutch

I liked the speech. I agreed with a lot of what he said. But Putin ain't perfect either--"Better than most Western leaders" does not come close to equating with perfect. Some things he said definitely jarred on me.
Things Putin was wrong about in that speech:
1. Saying nice things about the Egyptian government. The Egyptian government came to power exactly the same way the current Ukrainian government did: Money-backed protests against a feckless and corrupt but democratically elected government were used as excuse for a coup. The resulting government is a full-on military dictatorship, and is easily as bloodthirsty, and corrupt, and oligarch-backed, as the government in Kiev. They’ve murdered hundreds in the streets, they’ve sentenced hundreds to death in mass kangaroo court sessions on ludicrous trumped up charges, and they’ve outlawed the largest political organization in the country. I don’t like the Muslim Brotherhood much, I don’t like their politics, I don’t like their economics. But they’re not terrorists, they were far less violent than the dictators that replaced them, and they are utterly unlike IS. Backing fascists against them because Muslim is deeply wrong.
Putin probably knows all this. His expression of support for these bastards is a cynical move based on their apparent willingness to deal with Russia; he perhaps hopes to pry them away from the US-Israel axis. This is unlikely to work. In addition, their oppressiveness and lack of economic strategy to improve the people’s lot is only going to fan the flames of IS-type Islamic terrorism in Egypt. I wouldn’t be surprised if pretty soon they, and we, will be wishing it was still the Islamic Brotherhood that was the main Muslim force in Egypt.

2. “the principle of inviolability of private property”. No. Private property has never been inviolable under any political or economic system; very likely it never will be, because it wouldn’t work. Many of the problems we’ve been having of late years have been precisely due to too much endorsement of this fiction, and too much and too strong private property.

3. “you cannot mix politics and the economy”. No. This is absolutely wrong. Politics and the economy are always mixed. For instance the current ethos of free trade is a political ideology and is being used by elites in a political struggle against the rest of the population. Putin wants to say that the existing trade regime is not political but violations of it such as sanctions are, even though at other times he seems to recognize that this isn’t true. He either has not worked out the implications of some of what he is saying, or he does not want to deal with the contradictions involved because he isn’t interested in real economic reform. But really, neoliberal “free trade” on one hand and sanctions on the other are merely tactics used by certain people to gain, retain and deepen dominance; the “principles” involved in the free trade tactic are as much a smokescreen as the “principles” claimed when declaring sanctions. They do both things even though they seem contradictory simply because they think they can get away with having it both ways—“We will pry open your markets and destroy your local production unless and until we decide it’s more useful to us to strangle your markets instead”.
And, any alternative arrangement relying on different principles to do trade in a fairer way which benefits people instead of creating races to the bottom, will also be a result of mixing politics and the economy.
To be fair, he probably meant "politics" in the sort of "international state Great Game" sense, but even so it's pretty much a pious fiction that the two can ever be disentangled. Again, here I think he may be deliberately talking rot that he figures his audience will accept, where they would not accept or understand the reality. But we should not be part of that delusional audience; he may have his reasons, but the speech itself remains wrong.

"How to become super-rich"
by porfessor Vicenc Navarro
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http://blogs.publico.es/vicenc-navarro/2014/10/27/como-se-llega-a-ser-super-rico/

@ Dutch
Not a waste of effort!

In the Netherlands nearly every garbageman speaks English (...)

Theoretically your right, but that is not my experience among friends and relatives.

The MSM are masters in conditioning.
Putin is for most of the Dutch a sneaky mean rat, maniacal craving for power. We should be afraid of him!

Besides that, most Dutch people can speak or read English ~ all in the way of Ruud Gullit, but... all people are lazy, and don't when it is not absolutely necessary.

Wanting people to read and engage in something that "controversial" as the Valdai Club content, it's a must to lower any threshold to relax & open the defensive reaction on this intense scaremongering of the elite.

Providing a Dutch translation will help them to overcome the intelligent MSM blockades.

Just my idea.

Kind regards,
Feng

Feng says: "Theoretically your right, but that is not my experience among friends and relatives.

The MSM are masters in conditioning.
Putin is for most of the Dutch a sneaky mean rat, maniacal craving for power."

Perhaps you should dump your leftist friends. America is the dream only of crypto-commies like the PvdA or Joop.nl. If you read however the readers comments of 'juichpakkenrechts' Geenstijl or 'bitterballetjes-rechts' Elsevier forums you will see that Putin is not at all demonized. But who cares about Holland, by far the most bunch of America groupies on the planet (for historical reasons--> protestantism, capitalism, judeophilia, Peter Stuyvesant, New Amsterdam=New York). Very few ordinary Dutchman realize that the old America and liberty champ they identify with is long gone and they do not see through the ZOG-USA deep state structures.

Here 200,000 mostly ethnic Dutch going ape shit about America in 2012 in the Amsterdam arena:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwe5vwC03o

Not even 'special relationsship' British would do this, let alone French or Germans. I am very sorry to say that my Holland is to the US what the DDR was to Moscow, before 1989: Slavish overlord suckers. Apart from Nuland & co. it were mostly Dutch speaking US water carrier fools like van Baalen and Verhofstadt and Timmermans who showed up at EuroMaidan, unfortunately.

But this drama is not about the Dutch, it is about the behavior of elements within Germans and French politics, who hopefully are going to make the difference and leave the West. The problem is that Europe has known unparalleled prosperity under Pax Americana and present day Ukies have no different motivation that to be part of that party as well. Can't blame them. Our problem is the resulting Atlanticist faith:

http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/karel-van-wolferen-on-the-atlanticist-faith/

Hey, cheer up, van Wolferen is a Dutchman and he already abandoned the West and moved over to Moscow. We all need to be patient and use social media to prepare for the change.

Kind regards,
Dutch

With all the talk about Putin's "saber rattling", he seems wiser and more intelligent that America's leaders.

http://globetribune.info/2014/10/29/a-dissenting-view-on-putins-valdai-speech-video/

I wish we had a President like that in the US!

I know that Obama (our US President) is very popular in other countries as he is said to be transparent or a transformational leader. However, unlike Putin, he is actively damaging the core essance of the USA. He appears to be the first President that cares more for Africa, the homeland of his father, than he does for the United States.

The US is undergoing rapid replacement of the old American people with foreigners from 3rd world countries. It has been written by Herodotus in the 5th century BC (I think; citation sought) that the "bad dictators" prefer the company of foreigners to their own people. This is nowhere more true than in the USA where Obama is seen as a friend by the tens of millions of illegal immigrants from poorly developed & violent countries and as the enemy by millions of intelligent, hard working American citizens.

At least Putin seems to care for the legacy of the Russian people. The US leadership, on the other hand seems to revel in doing more damage to our own contry than Russia could ever do. They are destroying a people, and when the people are gone, all the aircraft carriers and advanced fighter jets will become unsupportable.

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A good speech with good points but that dude needs to look in a mirror. Nope, no pot calling the kettle black here.

The USA is on a collision course with the rest of the world, but I have faith that Putin as well as Modi in India are going to have a positive influence. There's something sinister and terribly Orwellian happening in the English-speaking world. It doesn't have a name yet.

Thank you for the translation.
I hope Putin is also interested also in the peaceful conclusion.
On yescomment.net, some users assume, Putin is only protecting the russians living in Ukraine