Hiring a Patient Advocate

DESCRIPTIONTim Shaffer for The New York Times Thomas Murray, who was diagnosed with bladder cancer, with Betty Long, a patient advocate.

The complexity of the health care care system can overwhelm even the savviest patient. That is why some families are turning to patient advocates for help, Lesley Alderman reports in today’s Patient Money column.

These professionals, who often have nursing or health care experience, can help a patient research treatment plans, sort out insurance claims and even accompany a patient on doctor’s visits. They can frequently open doors to specialists that a patient may not have access to.

To learn more about the costs and role of patient advocates, read the full column, “After Diagnosis, Someone to Help Point the Way ” and then please join the discussion below. Have you ever hired a patient advocate? How did you find the person, and what was your experience?

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A very smart thing to do!

This is an interesting article.2 years ago,my neighbor woman who is 81 now,related her diagnosis by a surgeon/wound specialist that she needs to have both legs amputated(she is diabetic–blood flow was a problem).Her nephew is her physician for many years–who seemed to agree–wrote her a letter–as he could not tell her verbally.
I suggested to her to get a 2nd opinion at Johns Hopkins or Univ.of Rochester.Since Rochester is only 95 miles away–she went there.The wound specialists were able to restore the blood circulation in both legs.She is fine for over 2 years–does little Garage cleaning herself,drives around( within 50 miles area).She has many other problems–like knee,hyp,heart,back–but so far she is on her own at 81.
So choosing who to go is important.
Let me describe another situation–not as serious as Cancer.On 8/29/2009,a MD student who was vomitting for a week went to ER on Saturday.The ER doctor at this top Univ.hospital relying on vomitting diagnosed it as GI issue requiring ERCP.So sent the person home as no ERCP specialist was available on weekends.This person’s relation who is a top ERCP specialists decided to treat her on Saturday night–but he and the internist decided to do blood test.The blood test revealed very low plattlets,liver problem,later Gallbladder problem,heart problem and lungs problem–all from SEVERE CASE OF MONO.
This 25 year old person could have died or severely impaired if stayed at home.On Sunday night,she had severe breathing problem.
In the current environment of Health Care Reform–Serious problems are likely to surface.So you need to rely on Best persons to help you–as cost pressures will drive for LOWER QUALITY of health care.

This is just one more BIG sign that the whole so-called “health care system” is all messed up.

Why on earth should such a thing be necessary? Why shouldn’t it be possible to just go to a doctor — at the beginning of health problems — and get them fixed?

The whole system is turning into a replica of the I.R.S. and the tax code.

Take away the paperwork. All of it.

And take out the huge profit motives; profit is not necessary for doctors and other to make a fine living.

Those two things would go a long way toward ‘solving’ this mess.

Before you start asking friends and neighbors for recommendations and spending hundreds of dollars there are some other options you should seriously consider.

The Patient Advocate Foundation is a not for profit organization that provide case managers to work as liaisons. //www.patientadvocate.org

Also, go to the Foundation website for whatever the medical problem that you are dealing with, they all have a foundation, and talk to someone who specializes in your issues. If they are not advocates themselves I promise you they can refer you to someone who is, often at no charge.

Kate @ //www.aftercancernowwhat.com

Why won’t they just let us die in peace?

What about those of us who can’t afford this? Why must the system be this difficult?

Wny is this necessary. Why cant Doctors do this?

AND the biggest problem is not after the diagnosis

Try GETTING A DIAGNOSIS.

If you have a family member with a rare disease as I have , I took 2 years of appointments, co pays, and doctors saying “I DONT THINK WE CAN WORK TOGETHER” ie, I dont have a clue and you seem persistent so I am scared you will be trouble, then writing me off as a “mother has psychiatric issues”. Then when I finally researched it myself, found out what was wrong, rushed to the doctor the doctor writes in the medical record “excitable, and anxiety issues”.

Now we have the clear diagnosis its easy. Stressful yes but everyone follows thye protocols and happy to refer and it all goes smoothly.

But I would have paid anything not to go through the trauma of GETTING a DIAGNOSIS.

it shouldnt be this horrible. Its bad enough having to deal with the sickness.

Aging Advocates, Asheville, NC September 11, 2009 · 2:06 pm

A glaring omission from this article is the profession of geriatric care management. We provide assessments and referrals; coordination of care; assistance with doctor appointments and hospital stays; and many other services. Those of us in private practice represent only the interests of our clients.

And yes, there is an organization that keeps a central database of members nationwide — the National Association of Professional Geriatric Care Managers, //www.caremanager.org . Members must meet the licensing and certification criteria of the organization, and are required to continually maintain their credentials through additional education and training.

Am I the only one amazed by the fact that these people charge $200 per hour for their services? Seriously? Pay family doctors $200 per hour, cash (no insurance claims) and I guarantee they would take all the time in the world to explain treatment options to you and your family, research appropriate referrals, battle your insurance company on your behalf, etc. Coordinating care is what they’re trained to do. But unlike almost any other professional in this country (including apparently these nurse advocates) they can’t bill by the hour for their time and thus in our current system have no incentive to do these things…

This is like “college counseling.” Yes, it helps the people who use the service. But it’s all about allocating scarce resources, and greater knowledge, like greater wealth, gives you a leg up.
A public system that clearly identifies “best practices” would, for almost everybody, VASTLY improve the quality of care.
There just aren’t enough “patient advocates” for everyone to consult one-on-one.

Delia Chiaramonte, M.D. September 11, 2009 · 2:53 pm

I am a physician in Baltimore with a patient advocacy practice very similar to the nurse-run practice described in the article. I left “regular” practice because the standard 15 minute visit did not allow me to delve into the complex medical decisions faced by many people with serious illnesses such as cancer. If primary care physicians had enough time to spend with each patient, my services would probably not be needed. But in the current system, when most doctors are stretched too thin, patients facing serious illnesses can benefit from consulting with a physician focused on helping them make the best possible medical decisions. I have heard of a new website that will be a clearinghouse for advocates of various kinds: //www.advoconnection.com.
Dr. Chiaramonte
Insight Medical Consultants
//www.insightmedicalconsultants.com

We provide FREE information, advice and advocacy services for patients with chronic illness nationwide in areas including health and disability insurance, Social Security disability, employment discrimination, family and medical leave, school-based accommodations, and resource location. You can reach us at patient_advocate@sbcglobal.net or (860) 674-1370. Our website is at //www.advocacyforpatients.org.

Harry Knaster, M,D., MPH September 11, 2009 · 3:11 pm

In the last few years of my medical practice, I began to hear more and more from patients about their friends and relatives who couldn’t get into see specialists in a timely manner and who had troubling diagnoses and were not getting a clear understanding of their treatment options. State-wide I read the California HealthCare Foundation 2007 study confirming my observations, revealing that 4 of every 10 physicians were unable to spend sufficient with their patients and overall care was suffering.
Your article is timely..thank you for it. In order to address this growing problem, I am now offering my services as a healthcare advocate.
Harry Knaster, M.D., MPH

Yet another tier to the American medical system! Please remind me which people out there are satisfied with the medical care they have!

David Chowes, New York City September 11, 2009 · 4:30 pm

May I suggest the growing peer support groups? They seem to engage patients, family members and friends with many disorders and diseases. They are free or at a quite nominal charge.

Members frequently know a great deal about the problem — often more than physicians and other professionals.

The first such organization was: AA. Who better understands alcoholism than someone who has the same condition?

Support group members not only have practical “street” knowledge — they often have tapped into an enormous amount of literature and other media.

Olga Brunner, MS CMC September 11, 2009 · 5:57 pm

Lesley,
Your article left out an important segment of the health care industry with health care professionals already in place to advocate for elderly and disabled clients. We (members of the National Association of Professional Geriatric Care Managers) come from a background in nursing, social work, health care administration, or gerontology. Most PGCMs have Masters degrees. We are thoroughly vetted and certified by our national academies. We perform comprehensive assessments for our clients then proceed with a plan of care tailored for the individual client. We help navigate the health system for our clients because of our access to high quality resources. We provide 24/7 emergency assistance, providing peace of mind to long distance family members. For more information please contact the National Association of Professional Geriatric Care Managers at //www.caremanager.org
Incidentally, I am a Professional GCM in Boca Raton, Florida with my own practice. Please find us at: //www.agooddaughter.com Thank you.

I’m very much for patient advocates in some healthcare situations, such as being there for a resident of a nursing home to see that services are rendered. I think it’s useful for a family member of an elderly patient to go along for doctor appointments to help with issues of patient anxiety and communication.

What I’m concerned about in this article is a new layer of paid intermediary between the provider and the patient, fraught with possibilities of conflict-of-interest, incompetence, and indifference.

With all due respect to the nurse advocate noted in the article, she can’t be expected to know and assess all the latest treatments; many physicians don’t know them. Given the choice of advice from a physician who knows a patient’s medical history and personal desires or a non-physician advocate new to a case, a patient probably should go with the physician’s advice depending on two considerations that are important.

First, a physician must take the time to assess the options and then take the additional time to discuss the options with the patient. If a physician won’t do this, then the advocate might be necessary, but if possible, asking for or getting on one’s own a different physician is a better alternative.

Second, when a physician recommends another physician, find out in some detail why. Is it the physician’s track record, credentials, or other reasons? Ask who else in the specialty needed could be recommended? Note: some undiscriminating physicians might say that another physician is “very good.” That phrase has little meaning to me because it is so overused.

Third, a physician must be willing to recommend beyond her/his hospital or doctor network. That is, get real second and multiple opinions. In my local newspaper today, a hospital has a large ad noting that a local specialist says, “Refer somewhere else? I wouldn’t even consider it.” I wouldn’t want to use that doctor or that hospital. There are top doctors and hospitals ready to help. Don’t be shy. Call them or have a trusted relative or friend do it.

Finally, if you are still going to use an advocate for finding a physician and treatment, first ask several advocates about their qualifications. Don’t accept less professional qualification than is needed to make good decisions for you or you’ll end up all the more overwhelmed and perhaps in a bad medical situation.

I have to toot my own horn here a bit. I have been such a stellar advocate for my own care as a young adult cancer patient that my friends and family often suggest I become a personal care advocate for hire.

I have gotten myself in to see a specialist who had not been accepting new patients for a year and a half. I got the CEO of my hospital to put two staff to work for an entire weekend retrieving my lost ultrasounds from their mainframe. I know how to kick butt in the medical arena. I don’t have any medical training, I am just smart, persistent, and have a background in theater – which is actually extremely useful in hospital administrative settings.

Still, I could not do this work for others. If I were to charge for such services, I would only be providing them to patients with large pockets, who often already have connections and influence on their side. I have nothing against this for those who can afford it, but it is just not me to forget the rest who cannot.

Instead, I give lectures and speeches empowering and educating people to advocate for themselves. I blog and write books about how patients can take charge. It is so crappy to have to do this work ourselves, or have our families do it, when we are tired and beaten down from disease and sickness. Reason #1,000 why we must simplify the system.

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Wow- people will pay someone $200 per hour to direct them or go with them to a physician but would never think of paying a doctor $200 per hour for his / her services since they should be free. Maybe physicians should become patient directors and refer patients to nurses and physician assistants! Welcome to the land of Obamacare where more is paid ro directors than to those providing the actual care!!!!!!!

What’s missing from the article about Betty Long and Guardian Nurses is that they do a good deal of pro bono work with clients who may not be able to afford their fees I called Betty a few months ago when my mother was in the hospital with cardiac issues. She counseled me on the phone, suggested questions for me to ask, and referred me to an agency in Philadelphia who could help our family. She did this without charging me. It’s clear that while yes, she is growing a business, she DOES care about patients. She even called me a few weeks ago just to check in to see how my mom fared in surgery.

Hey, if Betty Long’s services could help me figure out how to get the best care and treatment for my family, it’s worth the peace of mind! She can probably accomplish much more in three hours than I can!

This is just one more BIG sign that the whole so-called “health care system” is all messed up.

Why on earth should such a thing be necessary? Why shouldn’t it be possible to just go to a doctor — at the beginning of health problems — and get them fixed?

The whole system is turning into a replica of the I.R.S. and the tax code.

Take away the paperwork. All of it.

And take out the huge profit motives; profit is not necessary for doctors and other to make a fine living.

Those two things would go a long way toward ’solving’ this mess.

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In my twenty years as a physician, I have seen tremendous evidence of how disempowered people are by the American healthcare system. Whether it is risk of medical error, doctors speaking in jargon that patients cannot understand, or the busy pace of medical practice, it is clear that people simply cannot “go it alone.” As one of the first physicians in the U.S. to start a patient advocacy/guidance practice, //www.MDCanHelp.com , my goal is provide tips on how people can partner with their doctor(s,) become active participants in their care, and get all the information they need. Particularly with the growing shortage of primary care doctors to oversee care, people deserve to have their own physician consultant available to them on their own schedule, in their own home, and looking at the big picture of their care.

I have had to do this–hire a consultant –once. This was 14 yrs ago. I had blood in my urine–repeatedly. Got an ultrasound and they “saw” something…My primary called on a Fri nite–“It could be cancer.” We freaked out all weekend–I had a minor child…No urologist called the next week to see me, as promised, and when I got to see one, it was six weeks in.He said even if it is cancer, it will be slow-growing…I said, so? He said so wait and see. I said no. This is when I hired the consultant–he said demand a CT scan with contrast. I did–and it turned out to be a cyst. I had several other checks of it and now they have lost interest. I have passed the “HMO test,” though–with whatever they did, I am still alive. We should not have to hire someone–this is like saying, “This person is my REAL doctor.”:

Lesley,
Excellent article and shocking news to me that there exists such a gap in the U.S health care system that has fostered and necessitated the field of patient advocacy.
I am a urologist who treats bladder cancer among many other problems, and I was struck by the image of the bladder cancer patient who was “stumped” without an advocate. It evoked thoughts of my own detailed cancer discussions with my patients.
I think of myself as a human first, physician and surgeon second and emphasize patient education, aka, advocacy–making every effort to educate and treat my patients as I would want myself or loved ones educated and treated–with warmth, humanity and compassion. I always try to provide educational materials that I have written myself, to back up the verbal counseling. For example, on our practice website, //www.bergenurological.com, go to patient education and click, for example, on prostate cancer to get an idea of my concept of patient education and advocacy.
Clearly, it is a shame that forces within our system have
spawned the birth of the field of patient advocacy–physicians should have the time and disposition to be our patient’s best advocates–and this includes objective, agenda-less education and the knowledge and willingness to refer our patients to another physician who has more expertise, when indicated.

Andrew Siegel, M.D.