Wilson’s Manners, Democrats’ Outrage and Republican ‘Cranks’

Here’s a headline and, no, it doesn’t come from The Onion:

“Wilson took caffeine pills in 2007.”

The “Wilson” in question is of course Rep. Joe Wilson, the South Carolina Republican who infamously interrupted President Obama’s health care speech on Wednesday night.

The publication in question, however, is The Hill, the (relatively) lively alternative to Roll Call among newspapers vying for supremacy in the 20515 Zip code. And the rest of the article, by Jordan Fabian, is as oddly stark and context-free as the headline:

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), who shouted “you lie!” at President Obama during his Wednesday night address to Congress, admitted to regularly consuming caffeine pills in 2007.

It is unclear if Wilson still takes NoDoz, a brand of pill that contains 200 milligrams of caffeine a pop. By comparison, a seven ounce cup of drip coffee contains 115 to 175 milligrams of caffeine.

A source told The Hill in 2007 that the congressman ingested the tablets “like candy,” but Wilson insisted he was not addicted despite the fact that he had been taking them since high school.

“I love coffee, but I don’t have time to drink it and I don’t have access to it,” Wilson said at the time.

The fifth-term Republican said he shared his NoDoz use with his doctor, who Wilson said assured him that the over-the-counter pills are not dangerous unless you get addicted.

Wilson interrupted the president yesterday night after he said that his health reform plan will not insure illegal immigrants. He quickly apologized for his outburst last night but maintained that Obama was lying in a radio interview today.

So what’s the point, exactly? For conservatives, it’s that another reflexively liberal publication is trying to tarnish a new straight-talker. Good Lt. at the Jawa Reports feels that taking NoDoz makes Wilson “as bad as any college

“You lie!” shouts a Republican member of Congress at the president. Was he rude, correct, clumsy, politically savvy — or all of the above?

student cramming for exams” and that the whole story is “just a pathetic leftwing non-smear-in-the-making (they’re obviously trying to make you think he’s some kind of whacked-out drug addict).” “The Hill is oh so innocently wondering whether Wilson’s shouting might be due to the fact that he’s … some sort of speed freak,” adds Allahpundit at Hot Air. “We’ve reached a very, very dark point.”

Well, as someone who spends a fair amount of time thinking about smears-in-the-making, I’ve gotta say this one leaves me scratching my head. Ditto for Steve M. at No More Mr. Nice Blog, who attempts to shine a light into Allahpundit’s dark point:

The writer, Jordan Fabian?

Well, he’s a young man who, until recently, was an editor at the Cornell Review, a right-wing campus paper that was co-founded by Ann Coulter. He was an intern at The Weekly Standard and The American, a periodical published by the American Enterprise Institute.

So he’s, um, not exactly a liberal journalist.

So why did he write this story? Is it a false flag operation — a clumsy attempt by an ideological soul mate to change the subject from Wilson’s outburst and to make Wilson appear to be the victim of journalistic malpractice, which can then be blamed on liberals?

Just a theory….

Yes, just a theory, but one worth looking into, I suspect.

In any case, although Mr. Wilson’s outburst may have been seen by even the Republican leadership as an unacceptable breach of protocol, it has led to a pretty healthy discussion of the status of illegal immigrants under any new legislation. In fact, according to Fox News, it led to a change in at least one version of the initiative:

Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.

“The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens,” Wilson said. “And I think this is wrong.”

Indeed, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service study found that the House health care bill does not restrict illegal immigrants from receiving health care coverage.

House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

“There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn’t be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships,” he said. “Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected.”

In the Senate, Democrats in the so called “Gang of Six,” a group of bipartisan senators on the Senate Finance Committee which is the last panel yet to release its bill, began moving quickly to close the loophole that Wilson helped bring greater attention to.

“We absolutely assure that those who are here illegally would not get the benefit of any of these initiatives,” Sen. Kent Conrad said.

As for Mr. Wilson himself, The Times’s Katharine Q. Seelye reported Friday morning that “Mr. Wilson’s outburst last night has turned into a fundraising bonanza” for a 2010 Democratic challenger, Rob Miller, who “has received more than $200,000 in contributions from across the country.” And Mr. Wilson himself, apology and all, is seeing his coffers rise.
(Nor has he been hurt by a line of criticism that makes the NoDoz claim seem like a model of responsible journalism: Adam Weinstein’s argument in Newsweek that he’s a hypocrite because he and his four sons, all veterans or serving members of the armed forces, accept military health benefits.)

O.K., but enough of politics and policy, and let’s get to the morals of the story. We all know that the Capitol was once a more rough and tumble place and that even recent history has its examples of boorish behavior toward the commander in chief. So did Wilson really cross a new line? And, if so, what does the whole business say about today’s Grand Old Party?

On the question of the act itself, The Washington Post’s Kathleen Parker, usually sympathetic to conservative causes, doesn’t give Wilson a break. “His offense sets a new low bar,” she writes. “But as a nation, we have entered a political era of uninhibited belligerence. The civility we insist that we prefer has been in short supply at town hall meetings, several of which Wilson conducted.”

However, Wilson has an unexpected supporter in Salon’s Glenn Greenwald.

Yes, it’s “rude” and indecorous, but … the President is not a King, even if George Bush was routinely treated as one as people politely wearing critical t-shirts were barred or even removed from various events where His Majesty appeared, including the State of the Union address.

Eugene Robinson today absurdly calls the GOP’s disrespectful behavior at Obama’s speech “un-American.” Right-wing contempt for Obama is often petty, deeply emotional and ugly — just like right-wing leaders themselves. But the demand that the President be venerated and treated as royalty is far more “un-American” than disruptive transgressions of etiquette. Wilson’s heckling was juvenile and dumb, but that’s all it was.

Then he puts in the knife in the G.O.P.:

If only a fraction of the media dismay devoted to his two-second breach of “decorum” had been directed to, say, rampant presidential lawbreaking, or the implementation of a torture regime, or the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people in our various wars, we would be much better off. The American Right is indeed dominated by crazed extremists who often seem barely in touch with basic reality and who are at war with core American political values, but Joe Wilson’s irreverence is one of the least significant examples of that, if it’s one at all.

Indeed, no matter how Wilson’s actions play out for himself politically, there is little doubt that they will reinforce the growing image that the Republican tent has more than its share of carnival barkers. Politico’s Andie Coller has an overview:

Joe Wilson’s outburst Wednesday night earned more than a personal rebuke from the president and a dagger-eyed gasp from the speaker of the House; it drew winces from Republicans worried that their party is becoming known less for the power of its ideals and more for the pettiness of its vitriol.

“Neither party has an exclusive on wack jobs,” says Republican media consultant Mark McKinnon. “Unfortunately, right now the Democrats generally get defined by President Obama, and Republicans, who have no clear leadership, get defined by crackpots — and then they begin to define the Republican Party in the mind of the general public.”

Turn on the TV, and you see what he means.

Here’s Orly Taitz, insisting that the commander in chief was born in Kenya. There’s a flock of town hall protesters, waving photos of the president in a Hitler mustache. Former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin warns darkly that Obama is planning “death panels” for senior citizens. Georgia Rep. Paul Broun equates the president’s plans with “Nazi” policies. Ohio Rep. Jean Schmidt — last heard calling John Murtha a “coward” — tells a birther: “I agree with you, but the courts don’t.”

The anonymous liberal who blogs at Just Above Sunset thinks Coller shows that conservatives understand the dynamic, they just don’t know what or if they should do anything about it:

The Republicans know this is no good – Coller cites a former Republican congressman [Vin Weber] – “The president was helped more by the optics of House Republicans than by his own speech. It’s not likely to do any long-term damage, but they need to be very careful how they oppose this president.” But he also cites a current high-level Republican who doesn’t want to be named – “The image of a bunch of white guys booing an African-American president is about as bad as it gets.”

Well, yeah – duh. But it plays well in the Republican South. And of course that’s the problem …

The senator from Texas, John Cornyn, the chairman of the Republicans’ campaign arm in the Senate, is cited as saying that it’s just not fair to tar all Republicans with the jerks on the fringe, and really, they won’t last … So cut them some slack. Every family has its problem children. Daddy will be home soon. Things will settle down. And Minority Whip Eric Cantor says of this boorish behavior – “I don’t see it as any definition of our party.”

Andrew Sullivan lets one of his readers agree for him:

Yes, the GOP of 2009 is the party of torture and fiscal recklessness. But as Joe Wilson’s outburst last night made clear, it is every bit as much the party of the College Republicans.

Wilson’s catcalling was only part of it. This is the party of Colson and Segretti, Atwater and Rove, Kristol and Norquist. It is the party of Joe Wilson and the odious Patrick McHenry, the latter a bad caricature of a South Park or Simpsons character. Just look at them, with the “What bill?” signs around their necks, waving the copies of their “bill” in the President’s face …

Juvenile, manipulative, impossibly smarmy, hateful – or at least more than willing to use the weapon of other people’s hate – and, above all, relentlessly cynical. To these (mostly) men, politics is not the “art of the possible”, not a means for peaceably grappling with the most difficult and complex issues of the day, or for attempting to improve the lives of people you will never meet. It is nothing but a game, one where the object is not just to win but to destroy your enemies with a weird mix of angry slander and junior high insults – and to have a good chuckle while admiring your handiwork.

It is an attitude that enables one to label a respected judge who worked with disadvantaged children a pedophile (as Rove’s minions did in an Alabama Supreme Court race in 1994), or to put Sarah Palin on a presidential ticket.

Just as for the neocons it is always 1938, for the professional College Republicans in the House GOP, it is always the annual convention, with the hotly-contested race for treasurer or secretary between one guy from Michigan State and another from Clemson.

On the other hand, Red State’s Erick Erickson doesn’t think much of the people Collier quoted as concerned conservatives:

Who does the Politico solicit from the GOP side for agreement with their premise? A bunch of liberals.

Mark McKinnon, who loves Obama and wouldn’t dare lay a hand on him during the general election, thinks the GOP is led by “crackpots.”

Same with John Weaver who took his marbles home (those he had not lost) because people wouldn’t listen to him. He became a Democrat anyway.

Vin Webber. Good grief.

Brian Jones, formerly of the RNC, who is a McCain loyalist.

About the only person who is not riddled with self-loathing and thus competent to weigh in on the matter is Senator Cornyn, who said, “Anybody can say what they want, they can identify themselves as a Democrat, independent, a Republican, a socialist or whatever they want to call themselves. That doesn’t mean they were representative of a political party or the mainstream of a political party.”

Precisely. The Politico spends its time trying to connect Birthers to the legitimate party apparatus despite everyone from Ann Coulter to me ridiculing them. The Politico never spent its time giving equivalent exposure to the “Impeach Bush” efforts in leftist bastions across the country, the crazy conspiracies that the left treated as mainstream, etc.

This just means we’re winning.

Well, we’ll see. But one thing’s for sure: in this news cycle, there’s no need for NoDoz.

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I’ve got to say, it was a relief to hear somebody call Obama out. Let’s stop fooling ourselves: The man took over the primetime airwaves for a speech in which a large chunk of time was devoted to calling the opponents of a charged, controversial plan “misinformers,” who will be “called out” and are not to be believed. Meanwhile, the president offers up various claims about budget-neutrality, not cutting Medicare, etc. … all of which seem to be absolute fantasies and were thoroughly debunked by the AP: //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_fact_check

Getting a bully pulpit to state unsubstantiated claims and call your opponents liars … that’s too much for me. Bravo to Rep. Wilson. While using the term “liar” crosses a line (though one that Obama himself regularly crosses by calling his own opponents liars), he made me realize how much more honest a system we’d have if we could emulate Parliament more. You’ll never see Gordon Brown get to address both Houses of Parliament on primetime TV without anyone able to challenge him.

Maybe, despite our current predicament of one-party domination, democracy will live on … as it did after Bush’s similarly regrettable period of one-party domination ended!

Erick Erickson doesn’t see context very well. Is there something rude or childish about wanting to impeach G.W. Bush for actions that undermine the American political system, like torture, illegal searches, detention without trial, etc., etc.? Impeachment is what the Constitution provides for, if we decided it was the right course. One might oppose impeachment, but it’s a part of our system, and those who wanted to impeach Bush were adults exercising legitimate political rights. Those who break up public meetings to stop dialog, and spread total misinformation about Obama, are spoiled children.

To call the leader of the free world a liar is something that
is the lowest form of utterence that I have ever heard in this
type of forum. the world was watching as well. how can this nation direct others when it can not keep its own house in order. this congressman joe wilson should be
dealt with by the Democrats. because if the shoe was on the other foot you can rest assured that something would be done. the problem is not with the office, but with the man. this country I wonder if its heart will ever change
Charles.

Wilson’s call was brave and honest.

1. The Bill leaves out a provision to enforce the no-illegals rule.

2. It is completely meaningless to bar illegals and then not verify who is and who is not legal, and yet the media goes over backward to introduce the “fact” that the healthcare bill “bars” illegals.

3. Can Ms Walsh please address the added costs of illegal migrants making health claims?

4. The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates Hispanic illegal immigrants are a net cost to the country as a whole of $45 billion. FAIR estimates that the net cost to state and local governments for the education, incarceration, and emergency medical care of illegal aliens is $36 billion. The net cost to California is $8.8 billion, or $1,183 per native household, and for Texas it is $3.73 billion, or $725 per household.

In California alone, the heavy cost of free medicine for illegal aliens – the overwhelming majority of whom are Hispanic – forced 60 hospitals to shut down between 1993 and 2003; many more are on the verge of collapse.

Madeleine Pelner Cosman, “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Vol. 10, No. 1 (Spring 2005), p. 6.

Wilson’s call was brave and honest.

1. The Bill leaves out a provision to enforce the no-illegals rule.

2. It is completely meaningless to bar illegals and then not verify who is and who is not legal, and yet the media goes over backward to introduce the “fact” that the healthcare bill “bars” illegals.

No one should think for a moment this outburst was unplanned and not calculated.

Obama made a masterful speech, but what is everyone talking about? Wilson.

Republicans are lacking in ideas, but they absolutely brilliant at politics. Their tactics may be borderline disgusting at times, but they have destroyed the Democrats in the healthcare debate.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel of the American Psychiatric Association is available on-line on Wikipedia.

Look up the definition of Caffeine Intoxication and see if
Joe Wilson’s dosing and the symptoms which you have observed fit. You dont have to be a doctor for this one. He cant stop because the withdrawal is immediate with at least extremely painful headaches – immediately relieved by — caffeine. A hallmark of addiction. Sorry, Joe.

Wilson’s rudeness and immaturity are inexcusable, but they are also so outrageous that it is not surprising that people are grasping at anything that is halfway plausible.

Meanwhile it is surprising and appalling that his behavior has so many supporters. Individualism has run amok in this country to where self expression trumps all else. I used to think Hobbes misunderstood human nature, now I am not so sure. At least he got to live in a time before Bill O’R, Rush and their likes.

Wilson apologized to the President. He should apologize to his colleagues for the insult to the institution – in a similar manner that doesn’t give anyone the chance to make a second generation sideshow out of it.

last, gotta love how Cornyn is distancing himself, despite his own indirect insults to Justice Sontamayor during her hearings.

Wilson was not carried away by his so called passion, he is plainly a racist who disrespected the President of the United States. He should be sanctioned. He is a major player in the scare tactic campaign that is under way. I believe he and those who agree with him would rather see America fall than be run by a Democrat who just happens to be bi-racial. What a sad commentary for our country. Instead of trying to work through this crises he and his cronies would rather instill fear in their followers. All a person has to do is Google “The White House” and click on Health Care and see for themselves what actually is being proposed and then make an intelligent decision; I suppose that would be too hard when they could simply listen to all the talking heads out there. If they don’t have a computer they could go to their public library and use those computers. I am saddened by the display Wednesday evening. I am a second generation American whose roots are Italian; my grandfather fled Italy in 1907 because he could not get an education and because his family was starving. His parents sent him here where he worked and brought them over as well as a sister her husband and 5 children. He loved America…I do too. I am sorry to be a witness to this Fox-generated hatred which is spewing forth 24/7.

An article in the Huffington Post shows that these are just Calhoun conservatives, with all the elitism and smuggness of the Confederates. This time we don’t have to free slaves, so maybe we can just let them go their way and get out of our hair.

It won’t happen of course, people love this country as it is, but it sure looks like the 1850s all over again.

Wilson was rude and he was telling the truth, for whatever value the truth retains in this culture.

PinocchioGate is about Wilson’s lie. In an increasingly complex world, our collective expectations for truthfulness and comity in American politics have reached dangerously low levels.

The response of the Palmetto State faithful is to give away “I’m with Joe Wilson” t-shirts. They are free, check it out.

//axisofreason.com/2009/09/11/pinocchiogate/

Or Dick Armey and company organizing rallies where crowd members imitate Wilson by yelling “he’s liar” each time President Obama’s name is mentioned.

At least a fraternity has a house mother to teach the boys some manners.

A strange question …
Try an obvious statement: “He was/is a racist.”

Joe Wilson made the biggest understatement in history.

Joe Smith, Glenn Beck, Rush, Hannity, Eric Cantor, Sanford, Palin, and the rest….The GOP has devoled into just one painfully long, ongoing episode of the Jerry Springer show.

Potentially historically momentous as FDR, the stage director messed up Obama with a few cheap tricks.

I think Rep. Joe Wilson yelled out “You Lie” on cue. It was sort of a publicity stunt — just in case Health Care Reform was not very appealing to the YouTube crowd. Sensational!! I think he was put up to it by some wisecracker who has attached him or herself to the White House. Shouldn’t heckle Wilson too much, if he was just going along with the stage direction.

Health care reform might not work well though if the financial system is in a controlled state of chaos by a volunteer senate finance committee — like there might only be two or three honest people left in banking.

Also people have not yet picked up merging bank routine from First Bank of Chicago [not implicating Obama whatsoever] to Chase Bank. The same routine that had gone widespread, globally throughout the Bush Jr. terms.

Where is all the money that was once AIG, Sallie Mae, Fannie Mae, mortgages, Enron, MCI, Tyco, Merrill Lynch, GM Home Mortgage Unit, etc? Someone needs to add all the deficit entities up for an estimated total and see where it is balancing out on the other side.

If Wall Street trading is not functioning, someone needs to address that right away. If you could get a consultant team to assess the processes of Wall Street, companies that are traded on Wall Street, and Investment Bankers. And then correct Wall Street the right way — I think other stock markets are waiting for Wall Street to recuperate still. You’ll have to kick out Bernanke and Ron Bloom once you have a good grasp of the financials. I have a strange suspicion all the big money is right where it was a moment ago, and a large network of criminals are bluffing the people sitting next to them into signing over the accounts to other accounts where only they (the criminals) have control of the money.

Back to health care. This is health care. Pay attention. This is health care.

I think you need a concierge service for any random group of “good people” still working for the United States. Concierges who can tell you where everything is, what everything is, where everything is presently.

Mr. Obama, you will need to figure out what you want done and keep your blinders on until it gets done. Right now you are in the term right after Bush Jr. which means you’ll need some major zamboni smoothing strategies on what is legal and what is not legal. Then do everything or something that will actually stand the test of time. Health care was always on your agenda.

Next time you will have to do it with a straight face to sell the important stuff.

Unless the health care bills contained a specific provision for checking social security numbers for validity (and they didn’t at the time of the President’s address), de facto coverage would be extended to everyone, whether or not a citizen. One would assume the President had actually read these bills before his address; so, yes, the President lied when he was speaking to Congress, as he had to have been aware of the substantive falsity of his assertion at the time that he spoke. One would hope any final bill shall contain a social security validity check.

No, Wilson was neither rude nor saavy…
What he *IS* is consumately disrepectful, ignorant,
and deserves to be flogged — in public —
at the Washington Mall, and in front of a military
(all branches represented) assembly!!
Have A Healthy, Prosperous Day!!
—–robhwill

Sam Donaldson once said of the Reagan White House that they understood that a “good picture was not worth a thousand words, it was worth a thousand facts.” This understanding and its contemporary corollary — in today’s media environment a bad political picture will be shown if not seen thousands of times as the visual equivalent of Rep. Joe Wilson’s already infamous two-word sound bite.

The picture of a scowling, texting, sullen group of GOP House and Senate members uniformly committed to striking a pose as zombie contrarians could not have been further from the image that a Michael Deaver would have preferred: that of a respectful mature and loyal opposition able to come to terms with the reality — and roots — of its diminished appeal.. But instead of assuming the role of statesmen-in-waiting, they rail and whine and leave no stone unturned in a perverse effort to cancel the effects of yet another election putting a Democrat in the White House. Their cynical calculations — or uncontrollable compulsion — that this is somehow a winning strategy is hardly a stroke of brilliance, and to say that its execution lacks a certain elegance or subtety is hardly a secret to the vast majority of Americans not holed up in an ideological bunker: Indeed, when it seems that the Democrats are once again on the brink of self-imploding, Republicans find from among their ranks a veriable cast of characters so bent on acting out their antipathy that they reap what they sew. resorting to the basest of means to preserve the the meanness in their base inevitably backfires; indeed it’s the single biggest reson why the hapless Democrats haven’t completely expired as a result of self-inflicted wounds. Indeed, what would the Democrats do without Beck and Bachmann, Wilson or Limbaugh, Boehner or Cantor?

No offense, but who cares? As a reader of the Times I would much prefer to simply ignore Joe Wilson (whose newsworthiness, is in part due to the worth which the news has placed on him) and focus on healthcare.

It would be nice if the paper of record could help me understand, with the level of depth that only newspapers are capable of, just what the implications of Obama’s speech are – or, contrastingly, if the President was just putting out some hot air on Wednesday, and the final bill is going to be minimally related to his admittedly ideal rhetoric.

I feel Wilson should make a public apology to the President but also to all of congress and to all the citizens of THE UNITED STATES!!!! You DO NOT have to agree with the President BUT HE IS OUR PRESIDENT AND FOR THAT HE DESERVES !!!!! RESPECT!!!! Wilson sounded like my 5yr old grandson!!!!! SHAME ON YOU WILSON…

Good grief – now the Times is resorting to quoting Fox News to fill up white space?

Was he rude, opinionated, right or wrong?
None of the above, he’s just another Republican and from South Carolina.

This man hasn’t heard the song that goes like this….

…Look out kid
Don’t matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Don’t try “No Doz”
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don’t need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

B.D. (Subterranean Homesick Blues)