Linux is coming up...

Went to BEST BUY today and picked up the SIIG, Inc. Ultra ATA/133

<blatant plug>

As a side note, BEST BUY is a very linux-friendly chain, you should
support them as much as possible. They even will install Linux on a new
PC for you if you purchase either one there for free.

</blatant plug>

Just for kicks and giggles, I glanced at the OS's it supported and this is
what I saw...

OPERATING SYSTEM SUPPORT:

Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/XP

Windows NT 4.0/2000

Linux

This was right on the box. It seems that certain manufacturer's are
starting to see Linux as a definite selling point. Of course there are no
directions for installing it on a Linux system, mainly because none are
needed - it's truly PLUG&PLAY.

I also saw the boxed set of SuSE 8.0 there and I was going to get it,
but...errrr...well, to be honest, I have to clear it with the wife first.
:-\

I did get into a discussion with one of the salesperson's there who
informed me that distro boxed sets were very popular, especially Redhat
and SuSE.

Linux is really starting to catch the market's interest more and more each
day.

--
rapskat - 3:55pm up 14:05, 4 users, load average: 0.14, 0.22, 0.14
drop the hot to mail me

If you cannot fail, then you cannot Succeed. -- Lt. Worf

<snip>

That's really good news. People begin to see the light. ;)

It's worth it, IME.

--
Add the next two proper digits to the e-mail to mail me. (Think of pi ;)

Seems quite interesting that they must mention each separate variety of
WinXX, and then Linux. You'd think there would be more problems supporting
all those linux vendors/varieties - but, of course, you'd be wrong.

<snip>

> Real interesting seeing as if you go to their website and type in Linux
> into the search engine you get nothing.
>
> http://www.siig.com/products/io/index.html
>
Well, I'm telling you, it's right here on the box. Plain as day. I wish
I had a digcam so I could take a pic of it for you, but I don't.

This isn't the first time that I've seen a product that supports or even
runs Linux not having any mention of it on the vendors site. I wonder why
that is? Hmmmm....

> Maybe you should inform them to fix their web site?
>
Why? If it's on the retail box then obviously they do support it. If you
don't believe me then take a trip to your local compshop and see for
yourself.

Product number SC-PE4B12

<snip>

> Sure you did.....
>
> I don't believe you.
>
Do I care what you believe? Not really.

> No it's not....

Sure flatty. Take your meds and everything will be ok.

--
rapskat - 6:05pm up 15 min, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.28, 0.23

Take away Linux's stability, speed and configurability and what do you have? Windows.

I know the owner of a local computer shop, and he gets machines screwed up
by Best Buy all the time. Example, a guy bought a 40 gig drive to replace
his 6 gig drive in his system. He wanted to upgrade. It looked like the
Best Buy freaks just imaged his old drive to the new drive, leaving the
primary partition 6 gigs on the 40 gig drive (32 gigs unpartitioned), then
setup his old drive as slave with all data intact, and gave it back to him.
So to the user, he had two 6 gig drives with identical stuff.

I don't ask Linux questions at all at any of the major computer shops in
town -- Comp USA, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.

> -- SNIP --

Why would a website have links to linux drivers if it doesn't need a driver
when it's used om linux?

Yeah, hardware like that, is pretty broadly supported. It's only the
more esoteric stuff that has less linux support.

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--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, from watches to supercomputers, for grandmas and geeks.

Three or four years ago when I was looking for a DVD drive, not long after
they first came out, I saw one which said the same thing. I think it was LG,
I can't remember because I didn't buy it, the box was empty, just for display
and the guy didn't have one in stock. Of course it was a standard IDE drive,
but that's not the point...

Peter

I bought a Delta 1010 semi pro audio card the other day because it had
'Linux drivers' on the box.

What they should have written was 'We have made no effort to provide Linux
drivers for this card, but can put 'Linux' on the box becuase the nice ALSA
people have done the hard work for us'.

A few other products also claim Linux support, but make no effort to help
out other than making use of the communitys free work to sell their product
to a slightly wider market.

The card works fine though, as expected, and I think that open source
drivers are often overlooked as one of the real benefits of Linux.

Still, it's a shame the programmers don't get credited.

>

> That's because he is lying.
>
> Check the website.
>
> http://www.siig.com/products/io/index.html

What's your point? Linux supports everything there.

--
| May I have the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, |
| the strength to change the things I cannot accept, and the |
| cunning to hide the bodies of those who got in my way. |
+------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> -----------+

*SNIP*

*SNIP SOME MORE*

That is an interesting point. I have hardware that is admittedly old that
will not work on any version of MS-Windows newer than Win98SE. But it does
work under linux :)

But for every version of MS-Windows, you must rewrite the driver for your
hardware. I'm not surprised that equipment manufacturers don't write
drivers for the latest MS OS.

--
Linux: Because you can!

All Rise for the Microsoft Anthem: "BAAAAAH!"

The website in question ( http://www.siig.com/ ) DOES in fact mention
Linux.

right here http://www.siig.com/drivers/ide_pc_pci_driver.html

Windows Drivers as well as Linux Drivers are available from the site.

Of course it only makes sence that if they advertise Linux support right on
the side of the box, they would mention Linux somewhere on their website.

maybe you should look at the website again.
http://www.siig.com/drivers/ide_pc_pci_driver.html

http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10050221.HTM
http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10050140.HTM
http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10050608.HTM
http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10050238.HTM

-Jeremy

In article <c5gifus5dp7gjsfpc...@4ax.com>,
flatf...@mariana.trench wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 21:30:59 +0000, "Florian S."
> <shadowst...@yahoo.de>

The shoppers at amazon.com prove you wrong

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--
Source Mage GNU/Linux
Doc section maintainer Linux so advanced it might be magic
news.sourcemage.org

In article <90gifu08fc8njl6tm...@4ax.com>,

Type Windows in and you get nothing, does this mean they don't support
Windows?

iD8DBQE8+ZR6WxU5n0eFaBkRApMsAKCfndu+V/6VyvkppvhSEYIWbNYJcQCcDeGF
PndmDyy3svYLr9KWSZH5BNQ=
=9pKt

So what exactly does it mean when I search for 'Windows' on SIIG's site
and end up with no results? Does that mean the MS-Windows is not
supported either? According to your logic, it does. And that's what
happened - I got ZERO results searching for 'Windows' on SIIG's site.

check again
http://www.siig.com/drivers/ide_pc_pci_driver.htm

now, who's lying?

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ry3xgNf1XA9kDV1/D9sf+ds=
=uTCT

It seems to me that Flatfart is in need of some stronger meds since the
ones s/h/it is taking aren't doing the trick. Maybe something with a
little arsenic would hit the spot..........

--
The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall.

I got the same exact card yesterday at Best buy because my BIOS
wouldn't use the new 40 gig HD I bought for a slave drive. Windows (98)
seen the new device and installed the driver but it does not show up in
the "My computer" window. Any idea why? I can't get the Maxtor
Maxblaster software to see the drive either for some reason either.
Jumpers are set properly too. It's making me crazy. The web sites aren't
much help either...

--
If it's true that we are here to help others,
> then what exactly are the others here for?
- George Carlin

What do you claim he is lying about? The instructions say that "Windows 95
or better" is required. Linux is certainly better than Windows 95.
--
Russ Lyttle
Not powered by ActiveX

I tried that and i recieved no results, so when that failed I looked around
and tried some of the provided links I tried the driver section first and
that's when I found linux drivers.

I doubt that the answers you get on comp.os.LINUX.ADVOCACY
are going to be very helpful!

While your at it ... try searching for "windows" , nothing comes up for that
either.

: )

> Try typing Linux into the web search engine.
>
>
Try typing "windows" into the search engine. Same result
How dumb can you be, flatmind?

Peter
--
A NT server can be run by idiots and usually is

> On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:34:09 -0700, Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
> Try typing Linux into the search engine, which is what I did.
>
>
Try reading the documentation, which is what I did.Besides, the original
only said the box indicated Linux, not the web site. He also mentioned that
there were no instructions for Linux.

> I didn't say anything about Windows, I said Linux.
>
>
OK, dumber than Shawn "the Idiot" Grant or Simon "the brain" Cooke then

Peter
--
I just found out that the brain is like a computer.
If that's true, then there really aren't any stupid people.
Just people running Windows.

You can get anything you want at Alices' restaurant.

By your logic, they don't support windows either.

TRy following the links to the drivers, including the linux drivers.

Your claim that they don't support linux, is provably false. But you
lying isn't much of a surprise, is it?

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0tpVlYPdWn0RhgW8Z53O44c=
=XqrK

> So the person who has no Linux instructions, or possibly is considering
> buying the product and doing some research goes to the web site, types in
> Linux and gets nothing.
>
>
So the person running windows and considers buying the product goes to the
website, enters "windows" and gets (surprise) nothing. That is different
how exactly?

Peter
--
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant:
first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip
away everything that doesn't look like an elephant.

Regardless of what you typed into the search engine, you owe Rapskat an
apology for calling him a liar when it was clearly your own ignorance
that was the problem.

Doesn't need it, it's in the kernel.

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TKep9oGmv+ewtO2uG/MWxgA=
=855+

Right, but how would flatty know?
He has made a stupid argument and now wants to wiggle out of it.

Peter
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.

On Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:14:31 -0400,
flatf...@mariana.trench <flatf...@mariana.trench> wrote:

> Lying?
>
> How am I lying?
>
> I said "try typing Linux into the search engine and see what you find".
>
> How is that lying?
>
> Weirdo...
>
>

For one, you called rapskat a liar. for another, you have claimed to be
male, female, married and single. While the latter two are possible with
a time difference, the first two are rather unlikely.
A liar you are, we know that, the question isn't do you lie, the
question is, are you lying now?

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D5jqHom1McY1AovianeCWj4=
=3D+f

What is the result of your dmesg? Does it show the drives mapped out to
device files? Can you .......

WHOOPS! You were talking about Windows, weren't you? Sorry.

--
rapskat - 9:50pm up 1 day, 4:00, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.12, 0.05

You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try. -- Beverly Sills.

I never did either, but his words during the vietnam war era
were rather funny.

Uh, in what context was that?

By $11.

> You overpaid.

Quake III for $10? The only way to get it cheaper would be to steal it -
sounds like a bargain to me.

--
<Carnivore>Assasination Bomb Attack Communist Anthrax Cheese</Carnivore>
7:03pm up 9 days, 6:11, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.03
The current MP3 is Matchbox 20 - Black and White people
E-mail address munged to prevent spam.

Thats exactly what flatty would do

To flatty anything is only a bargain when got for nothing. If that involves
pirating software, so be it...

Peter
--
There are two kinds of people in this world: the kind that divides
everybody into two kinds of people, and everybody else

> Are you drinking again Peter?
>
> Your posts have gone way down hill lately.

Flatty, he could post an empty message that still would be outstandingly
more intelligent than anything that you have posted in this thread.

Now admit that you were wrong and move forward.

--
rapskat - 2:35pm up 1 day, 20:45, 4 users, load average: 1.08, 1.09, 1.07

When faith is lost, when honour dies, the man is dead .-- Whittier

Flatty claims to be affluent and I tend to believe him only because rich
people are notorious for trying to get over even when they can easily afford it.

They are some of the most selfish, stingy and cheap people on earth, and
this suits flatty well.
--
rapskat - 2:40pm up 1 day, 20:50, 4 users, load average: 1.26, 1.14, 1.09

You Know You Need To Upgrade When...
The startup messages on your screen are displayed in Latin.

Why is flatfish the local pirate? I believe it was someone else who
suggested that, since I didn't want to pay for VMware, I should just
copy someone else's key or leave it running past its evaluation date.

You Linux nuts are so used to getting stuff for free you object to
paying for *anything* digital. I'll bet 9 out of 10 COLA readers are on
Napster's side, too.

You know nothing.
I write software (highly esoteric stuff, evalaluating psychological tests)
and do a lot of my work under windows. *That* is the reason I hate this
crap so much. It is unbelievable how many times you have to program around
some "feature" in windows.
And I do a lot under linux. Currently my inventory of software installed
costs *more* for the linux side than for windows.
That linux users don't want to pay for software is just an urban legend. I
will pay happily even quite high prices (or how would you describe around
$1000 for a java-suite?)if I feel I get my moneys worth.

Peter
--
Linux is for people who want to know why it works.
Mac is for people who don't want to know why it works.
DOS is for people who want to know why it does not work.
Windows is for people who don't want to know why it does not work.

> Donn Miller is the resident Windows XP pirate around here after he
> admitted, more than likely while tanked out of his skull, that he
> downloaded Windows XP from Kazza.
>
> To see Linux pirates in action one only has to go to the warez groups and
> see all the static about SuSE 8.0.
>
> What's really funny is all of the screwed up iso's being posted by
> Lin-O-Idiots that are just learning how to pirate software.
>
> Maybe Donn can head over there and give them a hand :)
>
> They better get used to either paying for their programs or resorting to
> other unsavory methods because that where Linux is heading.
>
> The good applications are going to be commercial and the talented OSS
> programmers are going to concentrate on that area because they will make
> money off of it.
>

Never mind that is just *you* (of all persons) calling Donn a pirate.
Interesting is that flatty seems to hang around in warez groups quite a lot.
Now why might *that* be? I'm sure it is the interesting, higly intellectual
conversation in these groups thats attracting flatliner...

Peter
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
It could be worse, but it'll take time.

What's really funny is Donn Miller wiped that XP after evaluating it.

Flatfish kept the illegal, stolen XP license obtained from a "friend":

See message-id: <slrnaeaqj...@mindspring.com>:

In article <slrnac17t1.32...@localhost.localdomain>
on Fri, 19 Apr 2002 at 22:54 GMT,
flatfish+++ <flatf...@mariana.trench> wrote:
>
> One of my clients added me to his corporate license because that
> is his firms OS of choice.

> Try typing Linux into the web search engine.

I typed Linux into several *web* search engines and got thousands of hits.

Perhaps you mean the *site's* search engine?

Since you are unable to get anything to work or to find information right
in front of your face, I thought you might need that pointed out to you.

Ordinarily, I would assume the person made a typo and just go on, knowing
what he meant, but in your case you just might not be able to get any hits
for Linux in a web search engine, so I make no assumptions.

Bo G

> No.
>
> I just enjoy watching Lin-o-idiots screw up, and they always do.
>

Yeah, flatty, sure. I believe you. I really do...

> Like for example:
>
> "Oooooooooo Please re-post SuSE CD4 ISO the last one won't burn and I
> created 2 coasters trying"
>

Since they don't have linux installed yet I suppose it is windows producing
these coasters
>
> It's very entertaining.
>
So it is not the intellectual content, it is the entertainment value
attracting you there? Now that sounds *really* convincing, flatty

Peter
--
It's not about, 'Where do you want to go today?' It's more like,
'Where am I allowed to go today?'

That's not what I said. You can register for free for an eval key and not
turn it (vmware) off. The licence does not prohibit that AFAIK.
Nowhere I mentioned obtaining a key from s.b. else.

--
Add the next two proper digits to the e-mail to mail me. (Think of pi ;)

I think that if people were using the evaluation key and running it
forever, the company would add a clause to the license.

It is a testament to VMware's quality, however, that you *can* exploit
the product like that. :)

No. It is a testament to linux quality as a host OS to keep running

Peter
--
No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a
significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

You both are correct.
Without linux's stability what good is a stable app and without vmware's
stability it wouldn't run.

What we _can_ argue about is if vmware _would_ run under ms-windows like
that.

(Now please don't turn this thread into a "You suck!", "No, you suck", "No,
you suck", "No, you suck" kind of thread. ;-)

Florian

> Nobody has to because for the price of a legit VMware license a person
> can purchase the real product, Windows....

You assume people run MS-Windows in it... You're wrong.
Some kernel hackers use it to debug decive drivers or filesystems for
example.

Others might run xBSD on it... or even solaris.

Another case where the liar and software pirate flatfish has no clue
whatsoever.
You need a valid windows license on top of vmware, because that is just the
virtual machine you run an out of the box windows.
It is expensive, right. But less expensive than an extra machine.
And a real boon for testing programs, because you can set it up to simply
forget all changes made during running. You can always start fresh.

Peter
--
A NT server can be run by idiots and usually is

I have yet to see it for $10 here, which is a shame as I would like a Q3
version for Linux. (Mine is Windows only.)

11:35pm up 9 days, 10:44, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.13, 0.08

ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux

You just need the pak0.pk3 from your winquake cd.

Cool, thanks.

1:32am up 9 days, 12:40, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.10, 0.15

<...>

Fine by me, it'll be another indicator that Linux has reached maturity.

There'll be plenty of room for everyone in a Linux world, those who wish to
contribute to the OSS movement, those who wish to be gainfully employed
writing commercial software, hardware manufacturers releasing products with
Linux support as well as Windows support.

An environment will evolve where the creation of innovative applications can
flourish, unlike the present setup where everyone runs scared of upsetting
Microsoft.

Peter

> Yes, that's what I mean, and that's what I said in my original message.
>
> But I suspect you knew that already.

Yeah, I was being petty, but I was out of town for a few days and all the
good replies had been taken, and several times at that.

You have had *so* much trouble doing simple Linux installs that you simply
can't believe it is so simple, easy, user-friendly, well supported and well
documented. To believe that would force you to face the truth about
yourself.

Instead, you see rapskat's post and you, because you see through the lenses
of incompetence, simply can't believe that it the controller supports
Linux, so you rush to the web site and merely type Linux into their search
engine, assume because you get no hits that rapskat is lying and drool all
over yourself to make a post saying so.

Then when you get called on it, instead of owning up to you lack of
competency and throughness, you sound like a parrot mimicking a broken
record: "Type Linux into their search engine, squawk. Type Linux into
their search engine, squawk. Flatty wanna cracker; Flatty wanna cracker."

Never mind it's a complete non sequitur, you become "The Voice of the
People." You take your experience <squawk> (based upon a complete lack of
aptitude) and generalize it into the experience <squawk> of Everyman, and
actually convince yourself <squawk> that you were right to question
rapskat's veracity because the search engine got no hits for Linux and
that's all the average <squawk> end-user would do.

You don't understand that when you use yourself as the model for the
*average* end-user, you're really using the bottom left side of the bell
curve as the peak.

So, yeah, I was being petty, but all the good replies were taken.

Bo G

Doncha just hate it when package designers make such
blatant goofs like that? :-)

--
ewi...@earthlink.net -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 109d:23h:38m actually running Linux.
Use the source, Luke.

No no, you see, when the search engine shows nothing for "Linux" it is
deliberate conspiracy by the Linux Cabal to badmouth that particular
manufacturer so as to depress sales of their product, whereas when
the search engine shows nothing for "Windows" it is merely an
unfortunate oversight. :-)

Or was it the other way around in reverse? Darn, where's my
copy of Conspiracies and Cabals for Dummies? :-)

--
ewi...@earthlink.net -- insert random tinfoil hat (shiny side out) here
EAC code #191 109d:03h:05m actually running Linux.
It's a conspiracy of one.

Think you proved yourself wrong on that one right there.

cheers,

/Johan

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. Perth ---> *
8:43am up 4 days, 2:07, 3 users, load average: 1.18, 1.43, 1.34
$ cat /dev/bollocks Registered Linux user #261729
reinvent vertical portals

Dude, if you bought Windows instead, you couldn't run OS/2...

It may also be cheaper because Loki is out of business.

--
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire

You have to remember that some people think VM means Virtual Microsoft :)
--
Bigby

Remove Windows, then email me - take it both ways.