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How North Vietnam Won The War [Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark et al.]
Wall Street Journal ^ | August 3, 1995 | Bui Tin

Posted on 02/11/2004 1:43:12 PM PST by Hon

How North Vietnam Won The War

Taken from The Wall Street Journal, Thursday August 3, 1995

What did the North Vietnamese leadership think of the American antiwar movement? What was the purpose of the Tet Offensive? How could the U.S. have been more successful in fighting the Vietnam War? Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army, answers these questions in the following excerpts from an interview conducted by Stephen Young, a Minnesota attorney and human-rights activist. Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam's army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism.

Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said, "We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

A: Keenly.

Q: Why?

A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

Q: How could the Americans have won the war?

A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.

Q: Anything else?

A: Train South Vietnam's generals. The junior South Vietnamese officers were good, competent and courageous, but the commanding general officers were inept.

Q: Did Hanoi expect that the National Liberation Front would win power in South Vietnam?

A: No. Gen. [Vo Nguyen] Giap [commander of the North Vietnamese army] believed that guerrilla warfare was important but not sufficient for victory. Regular military divisions with artillery and armor would be needed. The Chinese believed in fighting only with guerrillas, but we had a different approach. The Chinese were reluctant to help us. Soviet aid made the war possible. Le Duan [secretary general of the Vietnamese Communist Party] once told Mao Tse-tung that if you help us, we are sure to win; if you don't, we will still win, but we will have to sacrifice one or two million more soldiers to do so.

Q: Was the National Liberation Front an independent political movement of South Vietnamese?

A: No. It was set up by our Communist Party to implement a decision of the Third Party Congress of September 1960. We always said there was only one party, only one army in the war to liberate the South and unify the nation. At all times there was only one party commissar in command of the South.

Q: Why was the Ho Chi Minh trail so important?

A: It was the only way to bring sufficient military power to bear on the fighting in the South. Building and maintaining the trail was a huge effort, involving tens of thousands of soldiers, drivers, repair teams, medical stations, communication units.

Q: What of American bombing of the Ho Chi Minh trail?

A: Not very effective. Our operations were never compromised by attacks on the trail. At times, accurate B-52 strikes would cause real damage, but we put so much in at the top of the trail that enough men and weapons to prolong the war always came out the bottom. Bombing by smaller planes rarely hit significant targets.

Q: What of American bombing of North Vietnam?

A: If all the bombing had been concentrated at one time, it would have hurt our efforts. But the bombing was expanded in slow stages under Johnson and it didn't worry us. We had plenty of times to prepare alternative routes and facilities. We always had stockpiles of rice ready to feed the people for months if a harvest were damaged. The Soviets bought rice from Thailand for us.

Q: What was the purpose of the 1968 Tet Offensive?

A: To relieve the pressure Gen. Westmoreland was putting on us in late 1966 and 1967 and to weaken American resolve during a presidential election year.

Q: What about Gen. Westmoreland's strategy and tactics caused you concern?

A: Our senior commander in the South, Gen. Nguyen Chi Thanh, knew that we were losing base areas, control of the rural population and that his main forces were being pushed out to the borders of South Vietnam. He also worried that Westmoreland might receive permission to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

In January 1967, after discussions with Le Duan, Thanh proposed the Tet Offensive. Thanh was the senior member of the Politburo in South Vietnam. He supervised the entire war effort. Thanh's struggle philosophy was that "America is wealthy but not resolute," and "squeeze tight to the American chest and attack." He was invited up to Hanoi for further discussions. He went on commercial flights with a false passport from Cambodia to Hong Kong and then to Hanoi. Only in July was his plan adopted by the leadership. Then Johnson had rejected Westmoreland's request for 200,000 more troops. We realized that America had made its maximum military commitment to the war. Vietnam was not sufficiently important for the United States to call up its reserves. We had stretched American power to a breaking point. When more frustration set in, all the Americans could do would be to withdraw; they had no more troops to send over.

Tet was designed to influence American public opinion. We would attack poorly defended parts of South Vietnam cities during a holiday and a truce when few South Vietnamese troops would be on duty. Before the main attack, we would entice American units to advance close to the borders, away from the cities. By attacking all South Vietnam's major cities, we would spread out our forces and neutralize the impact of American firepower. Attacking on a broad front, we would lose some battles but win others. We used local forces nearby each target to frustrate discovery of our plans. Small teams, like the one which attacked the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, would be sufficient. It was a guerrilla strategy of hit-and-run raids.

Q: What about the results?

A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election. The second and third waves in May and September were, in retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence, but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have punished us severely. We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was.

Q: What of Nixon?

A: Well, when Nixon stepped down because of Watergate we knew we would win. Pham Van Dong [prime minister of North Vietnam] said of Gerald Ford, the new president, "he's the weakest president in U.S. history; the people didn't elect him; even if you gave him candy, he doesn't dare to intervene in Vietnam again." We tested Ford's resolve by attacking Phuoc Long in January 1975. When Ford kept American B-52's in their hangers, our leadership decided on a big offensive against South Vietnam.

Q: What else?

A: We had the impression that American commanders had their hands tied by political factors. Your generals could never deploy a maximum force for greatest military effect.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; johnkerry; kerry2004; northvietnam; sedition

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

A: Keenly.

Q: Why?

A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

1 posted on 02/11/2004 1:43:14 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Bump for later read.
2 posted on 02/11/2004 1:46:24 PM PST by Argus
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To: Hon
"he's the weakest president in U.S. history;"


followed by THE weakest president in US history - Jiminy Carter.


3 posted on 02/11/2004 1:47:27 PM PST by Blzbba
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To: Hon
How North Vietnam Won the United States lost The War


4 posted on 02/11/2004 1:50:40 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Hon
btt
new article on hanoi john's testimony

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076182/posts
5 posted on 02/11/2004 1:50:44 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: All
U.S. Constitution
Article III. Section 3. Clause 1.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

http://www.senate.gov/~thomas/html/body_constitution.html
6 posted on 02/11/2004 1:50:49 PM PST by Hon
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To: All
Here's a thought. Given that treason is a capital crime, there is no statute of limitations.

Therefore, if Kerry should be elected President, he would become immediately eligible for impeachment under the Constutition, Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

http://www.senate.gov/~thomas/html/body_constitution.html
7 posted on 02/11/2004 1:54:09 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Can this be verified by the Wall Street Journal. The link does not go to the Journal.
8 posted on 02/11/2004 1:58:00 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Hon
We tested Ford's resolve by attacking Phuoc Long in January 1975. When Ford kept American B-52's in their hangers, our leadership decided on a big offensive against South Vietnam.

Did you read this, Gerry? You flunked the Phuoc test.

9 posted on 02/11/2004 2:03:04 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: rhombus
I couldn't find a direct link to the Wall Street Journal for it online. But there are numerous online reference and extensive quotes to it.

And I remember reading it in the WSJ when the interview was published.
10 posted on 02/11/2004 2:05:38 PM PST by Hon
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To: rhombus; Hon
Can this be verified by the Wall Street Journal?

Here's the book. Click to read excerpts:


11 posted on 02/11/2004 2:09:52 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Hon
I am surprised that the guy actually admitted that the Tet offensive was a loss. My history teachers taught us that it was a victory. Go figure
12 posted on 02/11/2004 2:19:03 PM PST by Docbarleypop (HM2(SW/FMF) USN (Ret))
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To: Hon
I found this in an old book that I have:

Vietnam: A History (1983) by Stanley Karnow--- p26-27

American soldiers in other wars gauged progress by conquering territory; seizing the next town on the route to victory sustained their morale. In Vietnam, by contrast, GIs captured and recaptured the same ground. and not even the generals could explain the aim of the fighting. The only measure of success was the "body count," the pile of enemy slaughtered- a futile standard that made the war as glorious as an abattoir. So homecoming troops were often denounced for bestiality or berated for the defeat- or simply shunned. John Kerry, later elected lieutenant governor of Massachusetts, recalled his return: "There I was, a week out of the jungle, flying from San Francisco to New York. I fell asleep and woke up yelling, probably a nightmare. The other passengers moved away from me- a reaction I noticed more and more in the months ahead. The country didn't give a shit about the guys coming back, or what they'd gone through. The feeling toward them was, 'Stay away-don't contaminate us with whatever you've brought back from Vietnam.' "

13 posted on 02/11/2004 2:30:14 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Mark
Good find!

BTW, many others have said that when Kerry first came back from Vietnam he wasn't particularly against the war at all.

It has been suggested that it was only when he was looking around for an "issue" to run on--he wanted to run for Congress--that he latched onto being against the war.
14 posted on 02/11/2004 2:33:16 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

It was essential to our strategy.




Bastards. Your hands are red with blood.
15 posted on 02/11/2004 2:44:48 PM PST by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: Hon
I left "Funland"(Vietnam) shortly after Tet. I never wore any fatigues or anything that showed I had been in the military. I did my time and was out. Gee, I never got spat on.......this clown Kerry is a political nut case. Now, DEMOCRAT Johnson is a subject that should leave the libs with a proud moment in history--- not.
16 posted on 02/11/2004 3:08:50 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Docbarleypop
"I am surprised that the guy actually admitted that the Tet offensive was a loss. My history teachers taught us that it was a victory. Go figure."

I think that pretty much sums up the media's coverage of Vietnam. And we all know that journalists are the first (and usually) only take on history.
17 posted on 02/11/2004 8:50:39 PM PST by Hon
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