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Alric Knebel

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Apr 27, 2003, 5:38:10 PM4/27/03
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Those of us Americans alert to the sinister liberal propaganda are rarely
surprised by how low the Marxists will go to achieve their aim, which is to
undermine our family values. But every now and then a forehead-slapping
story comes along to remind us just how tight we have to gird ourselves
against the sodomite agenda. And this is just such a story, my brothers. .
. .

http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/l/alric/RD_antebellum.html


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B. Nice

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Apr 27, 2003, 6:33:49 PM4/27/03
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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Those of us Americans alert to the sinister liberal propaganda

(translation: those of us brainwashed by the Religious Radical Right and
hate talk radio)

> are rarely surprised by how low the Marxists will go

What "Marxists" are those?

> which is to undermine our family values.

What 'family values' are you referring to, and how are they being
'undermined'?

> how tight we have to gird ourselves against the sodomite agenda.

And what 'agenda' is that?

And hey - why does that web page display a flag of traitors? Is the site
owner himself a traitor?

Are you?

-b
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Eric

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Apr 27, 2003, 6:38:24 PM4/27/03
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What a bunch of Crap! As a republican and an advid Star wars fan your little
rant is full of crap.


"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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B. Nice

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Apr 27, 2003, 6:48:03 PM4/27/03
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"Eric" <Epu...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> What a bunch of Crap! As a republican and an advid Star wars fan your
little
> rant is full of crap.

Not to mention posting a web site that claims that "slavery is not a sin"
and features the Confederate flag.

John Slade

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Apr 27, 2003, 10:58:11 PM4/27/03
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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I read that article. Is that guy a KKK member? I like how he said
"colored man" when he talked about Snow White. He's an idiot.

John


Mike Flannigan

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Apr 27, 2003, 11:09:32 PM4/27/03
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> Those of us Americans alert to the sinister liberal propaganda are rarely
> surprised by how low the Marxists will go to achieve their aim, which is
to
> undermine our family values. But every now and then a forehead-slapping
> story comes along to remind us just how tight we have to gird ourselves
> against the sodomite agenda. And this is just such a story, my brothers.
.
> . .
>
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/l/alric/RD_antebellum.html

Nice going Alric. How clever of you to advance your cause by outing your own
comrade in arms "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain. If you had any more
sense you'd have known your liberal brethren are not quite bright enough to
understand humor and sarcasm. Makes you guys look real introspective and
smart doesn't it? Like the time you told me you possessed clairvoyant
knowledge concerning the authenticity of an article I posted because well,
you're a "liberal". You never were man enough to come clean and admit how
full of shit you were on that one were you?


Mike Flannigan

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Apr 27, 2003, 11:38:14 PM4/27/03
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"John Slade" <hitm...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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No. He's a deliberate provocateur. So one must question the mental condition
of someone who hones in on "colored man" concerning a white woman.
Especially when the term used was "colored woman". Apparently you're not
only so paranoid as to be taken in by sarcasm and humor, but suffer from
perverse thoughts as well.


B. Nice

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Apr 28, 2003, 2:03:49 AM4/28/03
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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain.

No, actually I'm a hard-working mainstream American.

Sorry.

Unfortunately some of you right-wankers ideas of "humor" don't exactly
resonate with normal human beings.

Alric Knebel

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Apr 28, 2003, 9:34:30 AM4/28/03
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"John Slade" <hitm...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>

I suggest you go back to the site and follow some of the links. I think you
might have missed something that I thought for sure was obvious.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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Apr 28, 2003, 9:36:16 AM4/28/03
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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. Flannigan. I was beginning to think
that I had missed my mark.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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Apr 28, 2003, 9:38:56 AM4/28/03
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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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You sound sort of knee-jerk yourself. And you never stated what it is you
wanted me to come clean on. You kept asking me for my address, if I remember
correctly, and I basically said if you wanted it, you could find it. I
remember it that way, but if you care to speak plainly, I'll do whatever it
is you think I should do.

So, Flannigan, how did you like the article?

Alric

Alric Knebel

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Apr 28, 2003, 9:49:56 AM4/28/03
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"B. Nice" <seattled...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:MX0ra.35390$DX.16...@twister.austin.rr.com...
>
> > "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain.
>
> No, actually I'm a hard-working mainstream American.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Unfortunately some of you right-wankers ideas of "humor" don't exactly
> resonate with normal human beings.
>
> -b

I'm the author of the piece, and I've VERY liberal. I think you should have
taken the time to visit other pages of the site. And I thought for sure the
sarcasm and irony were obvious. The piece was ridiculous. Come on. The
"female" C-3PO is from a poster for the film "Metropolis." By the reaction
I got from the piece, I'm now aware that people aren't as familiar with that
poster as I thought. I'm sort of a movie nut, but I thought for sure
everyone had seen that poster at one time or another. Sorry. A couple of
right-wingers fell for it, but I thought for sure the liberals wouldn't.
Let me give you some background. If you go to a site called
SierraTimes.com, you'll see that it features columnist, Al Benson. That's
his actual picture on my page, from his column. While my site is indeed a
parody, it's not very much of one, as this man is obsessed with whatever the
gays are doing in California and elsewhere, and he did in fact mention in
passing that the Bible never states that slavery is a sin. His particular
obsession is with inaccuracies in the history of the Civil War, but I think
it's more likely he has inaccuracies in what is taught about the Civil War.
In one of his columns, he proves that slavery existed in the North. He's
under the impression that schools teach that slavery didn't exist in the
Northern states. I urge you to read his column, and read the archived
columns, too. You'll see that I combined all of his issues in one
ridiculous article. I suppose you had to be familiar with him to get it.
Looking back, I can see why so many people took it seriously, because there
are indeed people who think just like I'm describing. Al Benson is one of
them.

Alric

B. Nice

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Apr 28, 2003, 11:13:54 AM4/28/03
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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I'm the author of the piece, and I've VERY liberal.

Then I suggest you do some research. Try http://www.godhatesfags.com , a
non-parody site.

> I think you should have taken the time to visit other pages of the site.

Why?

> And I thought for sure the sarcasm and irony were obvious.

You don't have a whole lot of experience with the internet, do you?

> The piece was ridiculous.

Of course it was. As are any number of sites that aren't kidding.

> While my site is indeed a parody, it's not very much of one

Exactly.

> Looking back, I can see why so many people took it seriously, because
there
> are indeed people who think just like I'm describing. Al Benson is one of
> them.

Yep.

Alric Knebel

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Apr 28, 2003, 11:38:53 AM4/28/03
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"B. Nice" <seattled...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:udara.22473$bR1....@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> > I'm the author of the piece, and I've VERY liberal.
>
> Then I suggest you do some research. Try http://www.godhatesfags.com , a
> non-parody site.
>
> > I think you should have taken the time to visit other pages of the site.
>
> Why?
>
> > And I thought for sure the sarcasm and irony were obvious.
>
> You don't have a whole lot of experience with the internet, do you?
>
> > The piece was ridiculous.
>
> Of course it was. As are any number of sites that aren't kidding.
>
> > While my site is indeed a parody, it's not very much of one
>
> Exactly.
>
> > Looking back, I can see why so many people took it seriously, because
> there
> > are indeed people who think just like I'm describing. Al Benson is one
of
> > them.
>
> Yep.
>
> -b

I have had LOTS of experience on the internet. Have you seen The Landover
Baptist Church website? It's a parody site, too, similar to mine in that
it's hard to tell what's real, and if you haven't got radar for irony, it'll
go right past you. If you went into it believing the headline was a real
headline, then I guess it would set you up for the wrong tone. But the
humor was there in just the sheer magnitude of the absurdity. You should
have visited the rest of the site, as you would've understood better what it
is you were responding to, though the clues were pretty obvious (Albertson
accepting Confederate money for payment, for example; the article itself was
absurd). If you had read some of the site, you would've seen a commentary
on Michael Savage that was pretty incisive, and, besides, I post here a lot
and I've been on the side of liberals unabashedly. That in itself should
have been a clue, that I wouldn't be posting some pro-nut piece.

Alric


Hank Ball

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Apr 28, 2003, 4:21:37 PM4/28/03
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ROFL, and he's the same guy who claims to understand Dennis Miller's
sometimes obscure references in jokes. John Slade misses the boat in
so many ways.

Hank Ball

Hank Ball

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Apr 28, 2003, 4:24:07 PM4/28/03
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"B. Nice" <seattled...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<d7277ebbe6263b77e30477c1afdf90d7@TeraNews>...

> "Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:MX0ra.35390$DX.16...@twister.austin.rr.com...
>
> > "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain.
>
> No, actually I'm a hard-working mainstream American.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Unfortunately some of you right-wankers ideas of "humor" don't exactly
> resonate with normal human beings.
>
> -b

Let's not go so far as to call you normal; otherwise, our humor
resonates with anyone with the enough intelligence to know when their
chain is being yanked.

Hint: I just yanked your chain.


Hank Ball

Mike Flannigan

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Apr 28, 2003, 9:00:41 PM4/28/03
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Yeah. I remember that. Damn good point. I remember a while back I wrote a
satirical piece defending the "comic genius", Paul Ruebens as being framed
as a pedophile by an orchestrated anti Pee-Wee conspiracy all because he had
money and fame and Slade fell for that one too. He called me every name in
the book, and claimed that I had sunk to a new low. Now he wants to know if
the red neck posed as writing an article claiming Hollywood is involved in a
conspiracy to turn C-3PO into the robot from Metropolis is a member of the
Klan. Heheheheheheh.


Mike Flannigan

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Apr 28, 2003, 10:06:35 PM4/28/03
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> > "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain.
>
> No, actually I'm a hard-working mainstream American.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Unfortunately some of you right-wankers ideas of "humor" don't exactly
> resonate with normal human beings.
>
> -b

Nice try, but I'm afraid the facts still remain. You just got through
mounting a serious argument with a paragraph gleaned from a ridiculous
article on a humor Web-Site that claims that among other things, C-3PO will
be transvestited into the robot from the 1929 film "Metropolis" in the next
Star Wars film. So I'm afraid this all looks pretty bad for you right now.
You need come up something good - and fast. Your credibility is really
taking a beating on this point, as it seems yours is less a lack of a sense
of humor as you claim, than an old fashioned case of the dumb ass.


Mike Flannigan

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Apr 28, 2003, 11:29:57 PM4/28/03
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> > Nice going Alric. How clever of you to advance your cause by outing your
> own
> > comrade in arms "B. Nice" as a knee-jerk pea brain. If you had any more
> > sense you'd have known your liberal brethren are not quite bright enough
> to
> > understand humor and sarcasm. Makes you guys look real introspective and
> > smart doesn't it? Like the time you told me you possessed clairvoyant
> > knowledge concerning the authenticity of an article I posted because
well,
> > you're a "liberal". You never were man enough to come clean and admit
how
> > full of shit you were on that one were you?
>
> You sound sort of knee-jerk yourself. And you never stated what it is you
> wanted me to come clean on. You kept asking me for my address, if I
remember
> correctly, and I basically said if you wanted it, you could find it. I
> remember it that way, but if you care to speak plainly, I'll do whatever
it
> is you think I should do.

Jeezzz. Not your address Alric. I can see you're employing your own brand of
rope a dope again. You simply can't be honest. You questioned the
authenticity of the article I posted because I omitted detailed information
concerning where we live. When I asked you to prove you are not a hypocrite
and do the same you refused. Then you accused me of being some kind of
weirdo for requesting such information. You're clearly running from your own
shadow. That, or suffering from short term memory loss, could be the
beginning stages of Alzheimer's I suspect.

> So, Flannigan, how did you like the article?
>
> Alric

Liked it Knebel. Very clever and real funny. Even more hysterical is the way
two of our most prominent liberals where taken in by it. It proves to me so
many things I've always said. Wound tight as dick's hat band, full of
knee-jerk and anger, devoid of humor and ready and willing to believe
anything. Malleable as soft clay. That's why your guys are forever with the
obvious lies. Bush wants the add arsenic to the water. Republicans want to
take away old peoples retirement. You have to know who your audience is to
have the audacity to think you can get away with lies like that. That
audience is B. Nice and Slade. How bout' you?

But enough of that. Did you ever try out any of that Coltrane? "Giant Steps"
and "Blue Train" are two of my favorites. If you like music and silent films
like Metropolis you should get "The Passion of Joan of Arc". The best
sleeper band of all time has to be a band from the 60's called "Love". Check
out "Forever Changes".

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:05:12|PM&sql=A16fe4j375wat


Alric Knebel

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Apr 29, 2003, 9:11:27 AM4/29/03
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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote: >
> Jeezzz. Not your address Alric. I can see you're employing your own brand
of
> rope a dope again. You simply can't be honest. You questioned the
> authenticity of the article I posted because I omitted detailed
information
> concerning where we live. When I asked you to prove you are not a
hypocrite
> and do the same you refused. Then you accused me of being some kind of
> weirdo for requesting such information. You're clearly running from your
own
> shadow. That, or suffering from short term memory loss, could be the
> beginning stages of Alzheimer's I suspect.

I did in fact question the authenticity of the article, but that you didn't
provide an address was only ONE reason. The article had that propagandistic
sentimentality to it, and I figured you didn't want your address known
because it would give it away. Then you provided your address to me
privately, then asked -- it seemed to me anyway -- for me to provide MY
address, and you seemed to want it in the newsgroup. I answered you plain
enough, that you could find my address very, very easily, just by doing an
address search on my name, exactly as it appears here. What more could you
possibly want? Okay, if that's what's constipating you, I live in
Mississippi. I think that's been stated before, I'm sure.

> Alric asked:


> > So, Flannigan, how did you like the article?
> >
> > Alric
>
> Liked it Knebel. Very clever and real funny. Even more hysterical is the
way
> two of our most prominent liberals where taken in by it. It proves to me
so
> many things I've always said. Wound tight as dick's hat band, full of
> knee-jerk and anger, devoid of humor and ready and willing to believe
> anything. Malleable as soft clay. That's why your guys are forever with
the
> obvious lies. Bush wants the add arsenic to the water. Republicans want to
> take away old peoples retirement. You have to know who your audience is to
> have the audacity to think you can get away with lies like that. That
> audience is B. Nice and Slade. How bout' you?

As your favorite president used to say, "There you go again." You guys say
we say things we didn't say, then get yourself all in a tizzy over it. We
never said Republicans want to take old people's retirement away, or did we
ever say Bush wants to add arsenic to teh water. Our worry is that they're
going to bankrupt social security and Bush has laxed the levels of arsenic
permitted in our drinking water. We might have shown concern for that. But
you can bet someone like Rush Limbaugh took those concerns of ours and then
RESTATED THEM to the exaggeration you stated, then harped on the
exaggeration as what we said. In fact, you're doing that right now. We
can't control what arguments you care to participate in, especially if
they're with yourself and some nonentity described for you by right-wing
radio. There's REAL liberals and there's your perception of them.

As for how these guys mistook my satire for fact, it's understandable, to a
point. But when B. Nice got caught, he should have just laughed at himself
and congratulated me on a job well done. Despite his mistake, he has a good
point, but it was still his mistake. The photo of the man I named as Ben
Albertson is really a right-wing columnist for The Sierra Times
(http://sierratimes.com/) named Al Benson, Jr. He does in fact have a
newsletter, but he charges regular U. S. dollars for it, and in his column,
he does in fact obses on what gays are doing, and on issues of slavery and
civil rights. There is something about these things that really ride him
bareback. If you click on the link, you'll see him listed on the lower
right hand of the screen among the other columnists featured at this site.
This week's column is again discussing slavery, and once again he reveals a
spooky need to defend it or justify it or something. He really did say in
one of his other columns that the Bible never stated slavery was a sin, the
implication left being that the moral justification for ending it therefore
non-existent. And this is a man from YOUR side of the aisle. And you want
to talk about humorless? Look around at that site. Read those movie
reviews. Oh, no. YOU guys are the ones in need of a sense of humor,
besides the snide one you like to display on radio, which isn't really funny
except to an irrational human being already pretty twisted with hate. If
you're missed my review of Michael Savage, you should read it. I'm working
on another one now, from Saturday's show.

The thing is, my satire was exaggerated ONLY in the context of that absurd
story, but there are indeed right wingers who think EXACTLY like that
parody, and Al Benson, Jr. is one of them. And considering the right-wing
penchant for taking one story and turning it into something else, I could
see how someone could think that a story REMOTELY resembling it could be
transmorgrified by a Rush Limbaugh or a Laura Ingram to the level I did,
just to make their listeners hate liberals more, to insure a market
audience. So that these two men would think the link was to a real
right-wing site is excusable; getting mad at me and posting a negative
response without checking out the rest of the site, where the tone would
have revealed the piece for what it is, was not.

> But enough of that. Did you ever try out any of that Coltrane? "Giant
Steps"
> and "Blue Train" are two of my favorites. If you like music and silent
films
> like Metropolis you should get "The Passion of Joan of Arc". The best
> sleeper band of all time has to be a band from the 60's called "Love".
Check
> out "Forever Changes".
>
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:05:12|PM&sql=A16fe4j375wat

I have not checked out the songs you mentioned, but I will. I'll look for
that film, too. I have a clunky copy of Metropolis on DVD. The band "Love"
I've heard of a bunch of times. Jim Morrison from the Doors liked them a
lot. I've heard some of their stuff on an internet radio station.

I downloaded "I Had too Much to Dream Last Night" by the Electric Prunes,
and you know, that damn name of that band did not to them justice. That is
an awesome song.

Alric

Mike Flannigan

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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Concentrate and carefully re-read what you just said Alric. It's so
convoluted and scatter brained as to be hardly the work of a sane person.
You just said that one of the reasons you questioned the authenticity of the
article was because I would not post in this newsgroup my address, and you
full well know I'm not talking about an email address, or even a link. No
one in their right mind posts their address dummy. Even worse, denying you
my "address" is not even what happened. That article came from our local
community newspaper. It contained the name of our state, town, neighborhood,
and the personal names of the people in question. It's not my place to be
posting such information in a forum like this about other people's families,
nor am I stupid enough to post such information about my own. Does that not
make sense to you?

What I said was:

"Please also note that I'm replacing the name of our town and neighborhood
with "SomewhereUSA", as I'm using my real name in this newsgroup and it's
become quite clear to me that many of you people are psychopaths."

Your response:

"Look: You're dealing with liberals. We're smarter than this. Your
propaganda needs to get a bit more sophisticated to fool us. If you had
just skipped the intro and published the link, it would have been somewhat
convincing, but as it was, it looked ridiculous. I did a search on just the
girl's name, and turned up nothing. If you had just shut your mouth, said
nothing about where you were from, we would have followed the link and not
given a hoot in hell where you're from. But you sound
like a liar to me."

That's pretty strong language Alric, and the accusation is clear. It's that
I'm a liar because I refused to post right down to the name of the town and
neighborhood where I and the subjects of the article live. I asked you to
put up or shut up and post the same. You sped away and got as far as Biloxi
Mississippi before you veered off the road, hit a tree and burst into
flames.

But not even that was enough. Then you had to go and dig yourself even
deeper by claiming liberals are too sophisticated to be fooled. Then go and
post a satirical Web-Site the response of which proves yet again, just how
truly ridiculous your assertions really are.

You're mad as hatter. I've seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears
the words come out of Gore, Gephart, Dashel and rest of those lying pigs
mouths tell every one of those lies and more. Right along with cutting SS
and the school lunch program which were also lies.

> As for how these guys mistook my satire for fact, it's understandable, to
a
> point. But when B. Nice got caught, he should have just laughed at
himself
> and congratulated me on a job well done. Despite his mistake, he has a
good
> point, but it was still his mistake.

Yeah. Hu huh.

Wait a minute. You didn't write this. I don't see your address anywhere. I
see how it is now. In your own guilt you transpose your own transgressions
on others. Accusing them of doing what you yourself do in order to assuage
your own guilt.

> The thing is, my satire was exaggerated ONLY in the context of that absurd
> story, but there are indeed right wingers who think EXACTLY like that
> parody, and Al Benson, Jr. is one of them. And considering the right-wing
> penchant for taking one story and turning it into something else, I could
> see how someone could think that a story REMOTELY resembling it could be
> transmorgrified by a Rush Limbaugh or a Laura Ingram to the level I did,
> just to make their listeners hate liberals more, to insure a market
> audience. So that these two men would think the link was to a real
> right-wing site is excusable; getting mad at me and posting a negative
> response without checking out the rest of the site, where the tone would
> have revealed the piece for what it is, was not.

Make pathetic excuses for your gullible buddies all you want. But you
clearly steped in it. You wouldn't have posted all that if you had known
your only responses would be from one clear thinking conservative and two
outed dumb fuck liberals. Reagan had another saying too. Facts are stubborn
things.

> > But enough of that. Did you ever try out any of that Coltrane? "Giant
> Steps"
> > and "Blue Train" are two of my favorites. If you like music and silent
> films
> > like Metropolis you should get "The Passion of Joan of Arc". The best
> > sleeper band of all time has to be a band from the 60's called "Love".
> Check
> > out "Forever Changes".
> >
> >
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:05:12|PM&sql=A16fe4j375wat
>
> I have not checked out the songs you mentioned, but I will. I'll look for
> that film, too. I have a clunky copy of Metropolis on DVD. The band
"Love"
> I've heard of a bunch of times. Jim Morrison from the Doors liked them a
> lot. I've heard some of their stuff on an internet radio station.
>
> I downloaded "I Had too Much to Dream Last Night" by the Electric Prunes,
> and you know, that damn name of that band did not to them justice. That
is
> an awesome song.
>
> Alric

I'm logging on to Kazaa now. I haven't heard this before but I'm thinking
you may know more about music than politics.

Alric Knebel

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This is almost too ridiculous to read. This has been covered already
extensively, to conclusion, in my book. I provided you with my city and
state, did I not? Again, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT. You wanted me to prove
that I'd post my address here. Why? I didn't ask you to post YOUR address.
All I asked for was the unedited article. No one would have cared about the
city and state of the newspaper. Okay, so you wrote me privately and
provided a direct link to the article. I read it, and was still unconvinced
it wasn't just tripe, something designed to rally support for the war, as if
our goal was to help out the people of Iraq. For some reason, you keep
harping on this address thing, and I never even mentioned my e-mail address.
I'm beginning to think you might be a bit nuts, unable to see that I'm
talking right at you, addressing the very thing you're asking about. .

Do you disagree with it? Was it MY mistake?

There's medication for what's wrong with you. You're not making ANY sense
now.

> > The thing is, my satire was exaggerated ONLY in the context of that
absurd
> > story, but there are indeed right wingers who think EXACTLY like that
> > parody, and Al Benson, Jr. is one of them. And considering the
right-wing
> > penchant for taking one story and turning it into something else, I
could
> > see how someone could think that a story REMOTELY resembling it could be
> > transmorgrified by a Rush Limbaugh or a Laura Ingram to the level I did,
> > just to make their listeners hate liberals more, to insure a market
> > audience. So that these two men would think the link was to a real
> > right-wing site is excusable; getting mad at me and posting a negative
> > response without checking out the rest of the site, where the tone would
> > have revealed the piece for what it is, was not.
>
> Make pathetic excuses for your gullible buddies all you want. But you
> clearly steped in it. You wouldn't have posted all that if you had known
> your only responses would be from one clear thinking conservative and two
> outed dumb fuck liberals. Reagan had another saying too. Facts are
stubborn
> things.

How did I step in it? I enjoyed writing the parody, and the fact that some
people overreacted doesn't make me culpable in the least. But thanks for
catching the post for the satire it was.

> > > But enough of that. Did you ever try out any of that Coltrane? "Giant
> > Steps"
> > > and "Blue Train" are two of my favorites. If you like music and silent
> > films
> > > like Metropolis you should get "The Passion of Joan of Arc". The best
> > > sleeper band of all time has to be a band from the 60's called "Love".
> > Check
> > > out "Forever Changes".
> > >
> > >
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:05:12|PM&sql=A16fe4j375wat
> >
> > I have not checked out the songs you mentioned, but I will. I'll look
for
> > that film, too. I have a clunky copy of Metropolis on DVD. The band
> "Love"
> > I've heard of a bunch of times. Jim Morrison from the Doors liked them
a
> > lot. I've heard some of their stuff on an internet radio station.
> >
> > I downloaded "I Had too Much to Dream Last Night" by the Electric
Prunes,
> > and you know, that damn name of that band did not to them justice. That
> is
> > an awesome song.
> >
> > Alric
>
> I'm logging on to Kazaa now. I haven't heard this before but I'm thinking
> you may know more about music than politics.

I know more about politics than YOU do, my friend. And I'll go ahead and
take the bait on that one. This once.

Alric

Mike Flannigan

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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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This is what it's always like trying to hold a debate with a scatter brained
liberal. You guys react rather than think, and the BS just keeps getting
deeper and more convoluted with every exchange. And no matter how much I
keep trying to put you back on track and follow a line of logic, you just
keep running off the rails.

Listen up and concentrate very hard this time. Cleans your mind of all
pre-conceived notions and try not to knee-jerk like your liberal twins.
In your post directly previous to this one you said, "I did in fact question


the authenticity of the article, but that you didn't

provide an *address* was only ONE reason."

Now, you just said that you questioned the authenticity of the article, one
of the reasons being that I did not provide my address. Are you still with
me so far?

So, I just got through explaining to you that, "denying you my "address" is


not even what happened. That article came from our local community

newspaper. It contained the name of our state, town, neighborhood".

Now. To update you on the point of progression in the conversation so far. I
NEVER asked you for your address dumb ass. I told you that I didn't want to
reveal information as detailed as the name of the (groan), state, town and
NEIGHBORHOOD in which I and the subjects lived. In you your initial response
you practically called me a liar because I would not post this information.
Namely (and say it with me now), the name of our state, town and
NEIGHBORHOOD. This is only one example of you not paying attention to what
you are reading.

> All I asked for was the unedited article. No one would have cared about
the
> city and state of the newspaper. Okay, so you wrote me privately and
> provided a direct link to the article. I read it, and was still
unconvinced
> it wasn't just tripe, something designed to rally support for the war, as
if
> our goal was to help out the people of Iraq.

Two reasons I prefaced that article the way I did. One. I wanted to
emphasize the fact that I know these people personally and happen to know
them to be good, honest and genuine people. What's wrong with that Mr.
Cynical? They don't have a political axe to grind. They are in fact pretty
unsophisticated when it comes to American politics. The other is that I've
posted here doctrinal and thesis on what I've learned from these people in
the past, and drawn some pretty nasty responses. Ironically, the other
accomplice that fell for your little trick, Slade, once told me that I
probably call them sand niggers behind their backs. I think the guy is
probably dangerous.

> For some reason, you keep
> harping on this address thing, and I never even mentioned my e-mail
address.
> I'm beginning to think you might be a bit nuts, unable to see that I'm
> talking right at you, addressing the very thing you're asking about.
.

Funny. I was thinking the same thing about you. You're the one who has
harped on the "address thing". I've only urged you to try and salvage your
credibility and do exactly what you asked of me. So far you've gotten down
to the name of your city and state, but you still refuse to mention the name
of your neighborhood, and I don't blame you. That would be stupid. All you
need to do now to come clean is admit that asking that of me, is the same.

> > > As for how these guys mistook my satire for fact, it's understandable,
> > >to a point. But when B. Nice got caught, he should have just laughed
at
> > himself
> > > and congratulated me on a job well done. Despite his mistake, he has
a
> > good
> > > point, but it was still his mistake.
> >
> > Yeah. Hu huh.
>
> Do you disagree with it? Was it MY mistake?

I disagree with the premise that falling for that preposterous article was
understandable. I hate to be harsh, but you'd have to be a major simpleton.

You didn't post your "address", so everything you just said is BS. Never
mind. I saw it zing over your head as it headed out over the Gulf of Mexico.

How did you step in it? Be glad to explain it again.

Your words:

"Look: You're dealing with liberals. We're smarter than this. Your
propaganda needs to get a bit more sophisticated to fool us."

Like it or not, you, Slade and B. Nice are all blood brothers. Just like the
three stogies.

> > I'm logging on to Kazaa now. I haven't heard this before but I'm
thinking
> > you may know more about music than politics.
>
> I know more about politics than YOU do, my friend. And I'll go ahead and
> take the bait on that one. This once.
>
> Alric

No bait offered. I listened to the Electric Prunes and it sounded pretty
good. I think Love has them beat though. How about Elvis Costello? My all
time favorite?


Mike Flannigan

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> How did I step in it? I enjoyed writing the parody, and the fact that
some
> people overreacted doesn't make me culpable in the least. But thanks for
> catching the post for the satire it was.

I almost forgot how pathetic and pretentious this one was. You didn't write
any of that post. Every utterance was cut and paste. Nothing more. Jeezzz.
What a phony you are.


Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote:
>
> This is what it's always like trying to hold a debate with a scatter
brained
> liberal. You guys react rather than think, and the BS just keeps getting
> deeper and more convoluted with every exchange. And no matter how much I
> keep trying to put you back on track and follow a line of logic, you just
> keep running off the rails.
>
> Listen up and concentrate very hard this time. Cleans your mind of all
> pre-conceived notions and try not to knee-jerk like your liberal twins.
> In your post directly previous to this one you said, "I did in fact
question
> the authenticity of the article, but that you didn't
> provide an *address* was only ONE reason."

Yes, I did say that.

> Now, you just said that you questioned the authenticity of the article,
one
> of the reasons being that I did not provide my address. Are you still with
> me so far?
>
> So, I just got through explaining to you that, "denying you my "address"
is
> not even what happened. That article came from our local community
> newspaper. It contained the name of our state, town, neighborhood".
>
> Now. To update you on the point of progression in the conversation so far.
I
> NEVER asked you for your address dumb ass. I told you that I didn't want
to
> reveal information as detailed as the name of the (groan), state, town and
> NEIGHBORHOOD in which I and the subjects lived. In you your initial
response
> you practically called me a liar because I would not post this
information.
> Namely (and say it with me now), the name of our state, town and
> NEIGHBORHOOD. This is only one example of you not paying attention to what
> you are reading.

No, stupid ass, you DID dare me to provide my address. Again, YOU seem to
not be paying attention to what I'm writing. You made this extremely
complicated, when it was simple fromt the get-go. You provided the link, I
read the artcile, then you challenged me somewhere else in the newsgroup
about what you provided, telling me you wanted me to acknowledge it, and
then you taunted me about my address. If you like, google it, and follow
the progression. It's like you're talking, talking, talking about nothing.
You said -- or insinutated; I can't remember exactly -- that you wouldn't
want that information (community stuff) in a newsgroup, and you basically
said if I expected YOU to do it, then I should do it. And I did. Now
THAT'S how it REALLY happened, and you've beaten this thing to death. In
fact, YOU brought it up in THIS thread, AGAIN. This time you said I had
failed to do what you requested. You don't even have to google it; it's all
right here. Look back on it.

>
> > All I asked for was the unedited article. No one would have cared about
> the
> > city and state of the newspaper. Okay, so you wrote me privately and
> > provided a direct link to the article. I read it, and was still
> unconvinced
> > it wasn't just tripe, something designed to rally support for the war,
as
> if
> > our goal was to help out the people of Iraq.
>
> Two reasons I prefaced that article the way I did. One. I wanted to
> emphasize the fact that I know these people personally and happen to know
> them to be good, honest and genuine people. What's wrong with that Mr.
> Cynical? They don't have a political axe to grind. They are in fact pretty
> unsophisticated when it comes to American politics. The other is that I've
> posted here doctrinal and thesis on what I've learned from these people in
> the past, and drawn some pretty nasty responses. Ironically, the other
> accomplice that fell for your little trick, Slade, once told me that I
> probably call them sand niggers behind their backs. I think the guy is
> probably dangerous.

Slade was out of line, but that has nothing to do with me. I doubt
seriously that you'd do that, call your Iraqi neighbors such epithets. If
you know these peopel personally, good for you, and that gives you more
credibility. But I've been on the internet a while, and I've heard a lot of
bullshit. Like this whole argument about whether or not you dared me to
show my address. That's how it happened.


> > For some reason, you keep
> > harping on this address thing, and I never even mentioned my e-mail
> address.
> > I'm beginning to think you might be a bit nuts, unable to see that I'm
> > talking right at you, addressing the very thing you're asking about.
> .
>
> Funny. I was thinking the same thing about you. You're the one who has
> harped on the "address thing". I've only urged you to try and salvage your
> credibility and do exactly what you asked of me. So far you've gotten down
> to the name of your city and state, but you still refuse to mention the
name
> of your neighborhood, and I don't blame you. That would be stupid. All
you
> need to do now to come clean is admit that asking that of me, is the same.

So THIS is your point: Because the article was a NEIGHBORHOOD newspaper, you
believed that it somehow pinpointed you more accurately. Well, it didn't.
The information I provided you was far more precise. You could have gotten
a map directly to my house from it, using just a smidgen of information from
the internet. My name is so unique -- and I made this point clear -- all
you had to do was look it up and you'd find all you need to know. When I
provided what you needed, you kept looking to one-up me, and demanded I give
you the name of my neighborhood. How silly. That would tell you less than
the information I did in fact provide you. I gave you the best information
possible to prove my point, that I would be willing to provide you accurate
information as to where I lived. I didn't care, which was my point, because
anyone wanting my address could have already found it. This was in fact
your point, right? That you didn't want to provide personal information, so
you left it out of the article (address stuff). So I know what YOUR point
was, and I conceded to it a long time ago by giving you want you wanted.
Instead of following my instructions, which would have told you exactly were
I lived, you wanted me to provide a neighborhood name, which would be
vaguer. And it's YOU who are harping on this address thing. YOU mentioned
it again in this thread. I can't see how this can be any clearer.

More silly name-calling from the right-wing fanatics. When I said
"liberals," I wasn't necessarily talking about those guys. You want to see
liberals as dumb because you've got this nauseating fixation on them due to
the fact that the right-wing discussion is nothing without liberal bashing,
and YOUR idiots on the radio are exploiting that to no end, to an idiot
audience who can't see when they're being had. Just your attitude toward
liberals makes me think that perhaps you've taken a common place in that
burned-buld audience. This is a case in point; you're making my argument
for me. I know some very intelligent liberals, and if you don't see any,
you're a goofball. Instead of seeing liberals for what they are -- some
good, some bad -- you choose to focus on the mistake these guys made and
exaggerate it into some thing about liberals in general. In doing so, you
make yourself into the type of loon I parodied in the piece that started
this thread. You're stupid enough to believe your own lame exaggeration.
If you read my posts carefully, you'll notice that I never use these tactics
we're talking about. I separate right-wing lunacy from legitimate
conservatism. There is a difference and I can appreciate it. That you
don't demonstrate the same sort of acumen when looking at liberals says a
lot about you. I can defend my position accurately, and I've done so many
times. Instead of looking at those posts for what they really represent,
you keep bringing up this thing about who provided what information in
another thread, and it's all pretty clear to me. You repeated it to me
again, just exactly as I perceived it, as if you were telling me something
new. I know how it all happened.

> >
> > I know more about politics than YOU do, my friend. And I'll go ahead
and
> > take the bait on that one. This once.
> >
> > Alric
>
> No bait offered. I listened to the Electric Prunes and it sounded pretty
> good. I think Love has them beat though. How about Elvis Costello? My all
> time favorite?

I have never listened to Elvis Costello that closely. From what I
understand, he's supposed to be a genius songwriter. I might download some
of his stuff to get a real sense of what he's about. I'm into doing that
lately, educating myself on various types of music, the mainstream stuff I
sort of missed for some reason or another. I've seen Costello a few times
on shows like Saturday Night Live and liked what I saw, but I never really
pursued him.

Look, I'm sick of this left-right bickering. I really am. It's ruined
political debate in this country.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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Mike, I wrote every single line of that article. Every line. You are
joking, right? I mean, where would I cut-and-paste it from?

Alric

Alric Knebel

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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Never mind. I just got the joke. You're making an outlandish accusation to
make some point about how I did that to you when you posted your article
about the Iraqi family. Good one, Mike. I think you should take it for a
sideways compliment that I examined your post closer to see if I had missed
something, because nothing else indicated that you believed that.

Alric

Mike Flannigan

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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Oh. So you're the red-neck pictured next to the rebel flag in that article.
Alric Knebel aka Ben Albertson. I have to admit, you really got one over on
me this time. But you really must tell me. Where ever did you get the
outfit?


Mike Flannigan

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> > > > How did I step in it? I enjoyed writing the parody, and the fact
that
> > > some
> > > > people overreacted doesn't make me culpable in the least. But
thanks
> > for
> > > > catching the post for the satire it was.
> > >
> > > I almost forgot how pathetic and pretentious this one was. You didn't
> > write
> > > any of that post. Every utterance was cut and paste. Nothing more.
> Jeezzz.
> > > What a phony you are.
> >
> > Mike, I wrote every single line of that article. Every line. You are
> > joking, right? I mean, where would I cut-and-paste it from?
> >
> > Alric
>
> Never mind. I just got the joke. You're making an outlandish accusation
to
> make some point about how I did that to you when you posted your article
> about the Iraqi family. Good one, Mike. I think you should take it for a
> sideways compliment that I examined your post closer to see if I had
missed
> something, because nothing else indicated that you believed that.
>
> Alric

What joke? Are you really trying to tell me you wrote and put together the
original link you posted, the one that started this whole thread? You're
supposed to be the Barnyard Bob waxing eloquent over C-3PO and the downfall
of mankind now? Like I said. You're pretentious and phony. Your writing
styles are completely different. You couldn't have written that article,
it's like finger prints.


Mike Flannigan

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"Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The point was that to post such detailed information would be akin to
posting one's own home address. You still haven't even given me the name of
your neighborhood. Send it to me privately if you like. What's the matter?
You know way more about me than I do you. Why do you insist on hiding under
cover? What is it you have to hide?

Ok. However you want to interpret it. I told you that asking to me to post
all that was akin to asking for my personal address. I hope you can see what
I mean now. I'm with you on one point though. I'm tired of this argument.

> > > For some reason, you keep
> > > harping on this address thing, and I never even mentioned my e-mail
> > address.
> > > I'm beginning to think you might be a bit nuts, unable to see that I'm
> > > talking right at you, addressing the very thing you're asking about.
> > .
> >
> > Funny. I was thinking the same thing about you. You're the one who has
> > harped on the "address thing". I've only urged you to try and salvage
your
> > credibility and do exactly what you asked of me. So far you've gotten
down
> > to the name of your city and state, but you still refuse to mention the
> name
> > of your neighborhood, and I don't blame you. That would be stupid. All
> you
> > need to do now to come clean is admit that asking that of me, is the
same.
>
> So THIS is your point: Because the article was a NEIGHBORHOOD newspaper,
you
> believed that it somehow pinpointed you more accurately. Well, it didn't.
> The information I provided you was far more precise.

I'm sorry Knebel. The only thing I'm left to believe is that you're simply
being dishonest. You posted your city and state. You read the article and my
explanations so you know that you were asked to do only what you demanded of
me. I've given you every opportunity to show yourself as a man and
capitulate at least to some degree and you've fought me every inch of the
way. Time to learn when you've been beaten, or is this going to have to be
like last time, when you resorted to calling me names?

"Entrenched Fanatic and Loon" come to mind if I remember it right.

I've been thinking about it and I've decided what I'm going to do. I'm going
to print this out, frame it and hang it over the mantel. Then I'm going to
get the wife to take pictures of us. Just like some sportsman do with
trophies of elk and deer.

Well yeah. You seem to know a thing or two analytically but lack passion for
anything. I think that's what's wrong with you.

> I might download some
> of his stuff to get a real sense of what he's about. I'm into doing that
> lately, educating myself on various types of music, the mainstream stuff I
> sort of missed for some reason or another. I've seen Costello a few times
> on shows like Saturday Night Live and liked what I saw, but I never really
> pursued him.
>
> Look, I'm sick of this left-right bickering. I really am. It's ruined
> political debate in this country.
>
> Alric

Well, I blame it on your side but that's another story. How's the fishing
down there? We're practically neighbors you know? Or have you figured that
out yet?

Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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Why, thank you, Mike. I wrote ALL of those articles on that website. ALL
of them. It was a parody of that type of guy, so I don't think "pretentious
and phony" covers it as an accurate description. "Talented," however, would
be a nice fit, and your incredulity says it all.

If you don't believe I wrote it, do a search with all of the keys words, or
a search on the title, or the title of the site (Antebellum Purview), and
see what comes up. Nothing, that's what will come up.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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No, the photo is of a man named Al Benson, and you can see his picture at
http://www.sierratimes.com/albenson.htm. In fact, read some of his columns
(they're archived right there) and you'll see that while my little story is
outlandish, it's on target with some of his favorite issues. They're always
about blacks and gays, and he takes some little thing and twists it into a
threat to the fabric of our society. I'm not kidding. They'd be funny if
he wasn't so serious. I contacted him after seeing one of his columns for
the first time, and asked him what sort of country is it he wanted to build
that would be based on a book he claims never declared slavery as a sin.
His response was not kind.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote:
>
> The point was that to post such detailed information would be akin to
> posting one's own home address. You still haven't even given me the name
of
> your neighborhood. Send it to me privately if you like. What's the matter?
> You know way more about me than I do you. Why do you insist on hiding
under
> cover? What is it you have to hide?

I got your point quite clearly. However, I've given you more than you need
to know to pinpoint my exact address. My name is so unique, if you did that
internet people search, you'd get two hits; the other would be my father.
Because my phone number is listed, you'd get my exact address. Then you
could enter that information into one of those map sites, and you could put
a star right on top of my house, and if you so desired, you could produce
detailed instructions from YOUR house to mine. You are aware that you can
do that, aren't you?

So, I've given you everything anyone with basic computer skills would need
to know to find me. You're just splitting hairs now for the sake of
arguing. Giving you the name of my neighborhood would do you know good, as
it is not mapped out that way, according to that name. To end this, I'll
give it to you. It's called Cherry Park, but it is not a park and there are
no cherries here. It's a subdivision. I hope this settles this.

Alric

Alric Knebel

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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Alric Knebel" <alr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > I have never listened to Elvis Costello that closely. From what I
> > understand, he's supposed to be a genius songwriter.
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> Well yeah. You seem to know a thing or two analytically but lack passion
for
> anything. I think that's what's wrong with you.
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> > Look, I'm sick of this left-right bickering. I really am. It's ruined
> > political debate in this country.
> >
> > Alric
>
> Well, I blame it on your side but that's another story. How's the fishing
> down there? We're practically neighbors you know? Or have you figured that
> out yet?

I missed this in my first response, so I'll get to it now. First, I do have
great passion for things, but not necessarily music of the 80s. Costello
came out during a time when I wasn't paying much attention to music. But I
have great passion for what I like, but it's a hodgepodge. Right now, I'm
totally enthralled with a woman named Sarah Brightman. I have three of her
concert DVDs, several of her albums, and I'm looking forward to her newest
one due to be released in about two weeks. I also love electronic music,
such as Vangelis, Tomita, and Wendy Carlos. All I know is, what I've become
aware of, I have a passion for, but I'm not looking for new things. I'm
made aware of things now and again -- like through conversations like
these -- and I lock on to what pleases me.

I had not figured out that you and I were practically neighbors. I got the
impression you were in Texas, but when I think about it, I don't know how I
came to that conclusion. If you are living in Texas, I don't consider us
practically neighbors. That would be cool if we were. Then I'd hope you
were easy to beat up.

Just kidding. Really, I was. I was in these newsgroups a couple of years
back, and I was going at it with some guy, and he eventually did a search on
my name and found my honesty refreshing -- that I had been using my real
name all along, and he was surprised because it LOOKS like a fake name --
and turns out he and I really were practically neighbors. He lived in
Pascagoula, about twenty-five miles away. That was the coolest thing.

Alric

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