Pornography, the New Tobacco?

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Today’s idea: “The public moral status of tobacco half a century ago is strikingly similar to that of pornography today,” a scholar writes. Like tobacco once was, Internet pornography is “widely accepted as an inevitable social fact,” for better or worse. But as with tobacco, that could change.

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Internet | Writing in Policy Review, Mary Eberstadt of the Hoover Institution wonders if the “prevailing social consensus about pornography” will crumble in the long run much the way acceptance of tobacco eroded after the Surgeon General’s landmark 1964 “Report on Smoking and Health.”

The politics are different today — support for a laissez faire approach is strong on the left (including some feminists) instead of the right — yet that support seems “on a collision course with the empirical reality of pornography’s harms,” she writes.

So despite what she calls today’s “sophisticated consensus about the harmlessness of Internet pornography,” Eberstadt says, it’s not hard to imagine, in light of smoking’s comeuppance, “a future consensus that casts a far colder eye” on the business. [Policy Review]

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In parlous times, with Hate reborn,
How tempting ’tis to turn to Porn,
Too childish yet to merit scorn,
So trite in a Depression,
Bring back the Camel, Lucky Strike,
Or any coffin nail you like,
Right wing regression’s down the pike,
Lunacy’s back in session.

With unveiled violence in the air,
One might turn to Porn, in despair.

That porn article is thought-provoking, but the comparison with tobacco really falls apart over the issue of harm. Tobacco was proven to kill large numbers of people by causing a terrible and almost 100% fatal disease; with porn the harm is workplace distraction and being cited in divorce papers? I’d be willing to believe porn is harmful but I don’t see the data, and for society to rally against it the way it did against tobacco, there would have to be serious, well documented harm. You could make an argument that porn helps keep marriages together (by spicing up sex lives, or by providing a a sexual outlet other than prostitution) that would be no less flimsy than the argument presented here that it is harmful to marriage. Finally, while porn seeping into mainstream culture usually means bad taste (atrocious taste!), there are plenty of other sources of bad taste. And there may be a lot of benefits to openness in dealing with sex. Trying to button everybody up and put sex back into the 1950s might be more tasteful but would be really be good for people?

Pornography is and always has been illegal. Erotic art whether in film or paint has always been a part of our culture and always will be. It won’t disappear. We are more likely to go the way of Sweden. They have the right idea. Sexually explicit scenes are on TV during prime time but violence is banned. We have our priorities all wrong. Make love not war!

I call shenanigans.

The only reason smoking has become so outlawed is that there was a determined push by health advocates and the public when the health risks were learned.

The difference is that there is absolutely no evidence that pornography is bad for you other than the moral debate whether it should be legal or not(which it should, since it harms no one).

I’m afraid You’re mistaking health concerns with moral ones.

Internet porn w/ it’s seemingly limitless access is a huge problem. People use it as another tool to feed their sexual addiction and obsession. You can view porn, buy it, hook up w/ someone and hire prostitutes. It’s ruining lives just as any other addiction gone out of control does. I think taxing it is the correct thing to do now. Besides the fact that there are so many sleaze bag producers who prey on young women and probably young men, perhaps it would keep them in line as well. Hopefully, this will lead to decriminalizing marijuana or even legalizing it so that can be taxed to help the economy.

There is another analogy that is relevant here: like tobacco, there is a lucrative industry here that has a vested interest in clouding public understanding of the scientific evidence for harmful effects. The tobacco industry spent a lot of money to convince the public (and lawmakers) that there was no conclusive proof of a direct causal link between smoking and health. The entertainment industry, and especially the adult entertainment industry, is doing the same.

The social scientific research on the effects of pornography (which to a researcher means the combination of explicit sex with force, degradation, or violence) are not without controversy, but there is general agreement on the conclusions. Exposure to a steady diet of pornography for some men – especially force-oriented men – leads to: increased acceptance of the rape myth (women want to be dominated and will achieve a pleasurable outcome when raped); increased motivation to perform unusual sexual practices; increased arousal from sex combined with force; increased tendency to blame the victims of sexual assault; and decreased sympathy for rape victims. We can have a healthy debate about erotica (explicit, consensual, non-force-oriented sex) and its relationship to female sexuality, third-wave feminism, and social morals, but the evidence against pornography is a lot clearer than most public discourse suggests.

The harm of tobacco is well documented. Where is one study that conclusively shows the harm of pornagraphy to society? Depite the efforts of the censorious on the right and the left, there aren’t any.

What has she been smoking?

But do we have to live through a period of ignorance before most come to realize what the true cost of Porn’s use is and the fallout of it’s “secondhand smoke” for others not using it? The similarities are myriad!

That’s a bit of a stretch. Remember that cigarettes only got pushed out because the surgeon general said it caused cancer. Now I doubt that porn will cause one to go blind, deaf and dumb like the old anti-masturbation propaganda let alone cause death.

A quick scan of the article suggests that the “empirical evidence of pornography’s harms” comprises accounts of people who got fired for viewing dirty pictures at work, and of marriages that broke up because hubby couldn’t keep his eyes off Lola Vavoom.

Er, OK.

And while we’re protecting the world from marital spats, perhaps we can ban other, equally perfidious activities, such as reading, golf, and sock darning.

She, of course, must have engaged in extensive research on the subject at the Hoover Institution….

Didn’t Ed Meese do the same?!

Money well spent.

When the Surgeon General tells me pornography will give me cancer, then and only then, will I quit.

I am holding out for the “Porn Patch”.

Is this not the land of the free? Do we not have the freedom to make choices? So why are all the things we do sanctioned by media and goverment ?
Why can’t we just o what we want to ?
I like to smoke I like to drink and I like to drive my car with gas prices the way they are no jobs cigg taxes and the fact that one beer is considered drunk what is left for ME?
I cant drive because i have gotten laid off so i cant afford gas i cant smoke for the same reason if I drink and fail a piss test i cant get a job ….And now your saying i dont even have the right to look at porn ?????????
Russia is a freeer country than we are GOD BLESS AMERICA home of the fascist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JP..

I was in bed when I read this article. I got so excited. Now I need a cigarette.

@DonO
Well said. You should apply for a job lobbying on behalf of big tobacco You can clearly tow the line with the best of them.

Wow. The conservatism displayed here baffles me.

Come on, get a grip! Porn hurts no one. It should be kept from kiddies but, other than that, only sick people worry about what other people read in their leisure time.

I think an excessive amount of watching online porn, once everyday qualifying as excessive, does affect people in harmful ways. Granted, the effects don’t always manifest themselves physically nor are they as fatal as lung cancer, but they are there. Especially in the gay community, they really skew people’s perception of normal, which is unfortunate for a group that is itself so stigmatised. They also make it much harder for marginalised gay men to form real connections with each other.

Mary Eberstadt of the Hoover Institution chose the status of Tobacco and its industry 50 years ago as her analogue for internet porn. I wonder that she didn’t choose alcohol and its money tree 90 years ago. The militant anti-booze forces in that fracas were to be found on both extremes of the political spectrum as I believe they are in the porn debate today, Ms. Eberstadt notwithstanding; while “some” feminists may favor laissez-faire toward porn many others and their sisters and brothers in the progressive camp do not. Perhaps she perceives the unlikelihood of a Volstead act-like response proving either practicable or effective. The results of the Great Experiment were to divert the vast income streams to organized criminal without significantly diminishing the public’s thirst, turning much of the population from being mere sinners to outright law-breakers. But the end result was that alcohol continues to flow unfettered to the adults with a thirst but is more or less effectively denied to their children. Perhaps we are now wise enough to obtain a similar end result without having to go through that interim folly. Unless the evils of porn can be shown by some equivalent to the Surgeon General’s report of 1964 to be a killer on the same scale as tobacco it is doubtful that the demand will come to be seen as socially unacceptable, and the ongoing demand will continue to be supplied.

Wow, people still seriously believe pornography is ‘harmful’? That’s amazing. I’d also like to point out that we have a First Amendment to the constitution which guarantees freedom of expression. The text, if you’re interested, is:
“Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Finally, a scholar at the Hoover institution brings the truth to light!

As an ophthalmologist, I treat so many patients who have gone blind from watching internet pornography. My wife is a cosmetician and she has a steady business removing all the hair from people’s hands. When is this carcinogenic porn menace going to finally be stopped?

There is a profound difference both morally and practically between the yearly carnage of more than 300,000 deaths inflicted by the addictive drug tobacco and the distaste prudish folks may feel for what consenting adults choose to do. And in our current economic situation, I find it highly amusing that the Hoover Institute’s propaganda is taken seriously despite its being named for the fellow who presided over the onset of the Great Depression.

The article is interesting, but it’s predictions are completely off. The similarities posited by the author could probably apply to anything that is consumed and is slightly controversial – video games, violent movies, heck, Jazz music in its time. It might be true that tobacco and porn are defended in some similar ways, but that is probably more indicative of the type of attack they were under than any similarity as products.

A ‘revival of social stigma’ will not happen anytime soon, the current course is for increasing liberalisation in media. Even if it did, a ‘public health campaign’ on pornography would go nowhere. The reasons are even included in the article! Firstly, porn is consumed privately; stigma is irrelevant if noone knows about it. Secondly, virtually all the harm tentatively attributed to pornography affects other people and not the user, and is of the type that cannot be ‘proven’ in the way that the harm tobacco causes can.

Does anyone really think that someone watching porn will stop because people who will never find out might disapprove? Or because some studies have potentially linked it to marital breakdown/sexual violence etc? The latter in particular poses a challenge to the users autonomy – even if it is true, how many people would want to admit to themselves that watching porn could turn them into a rapist? They would all say “well, I’LL never do that, so it’s fine!”.

Equally, I have to say that the fact that porn and tobacco share some similarities does not necessitate the fact that they will both ultimately be found to be harmful, something which seems to be assumed without reason in the article above.