Ice-Tossing Turbines: Myth or Hazard?

TurbinesThey produce clean energy, sure, but they can also hurl a mean snowball. (Photo: Getty Images)

How do wind turbines fare in winter weather?

Not so well, according to one little town in England. The Wisbech Standard reports a harrowing tale in which “lumps of ice three or four feet long flew through the air” and smashed into a carpet showroom and a parking lot.

They apparently came off the spinning blades of a 410-foot-tall wind turbine.

No one was hurt, but residents of Whittlesey, in the southeastern part of England, would not rest until the turbine was shut down. One local businessman described the ice shards as “javelins” coming off the blades.

The wind industry concedes that, as with all tall things (buildings, for example, or trees), ice and snow can build up and, eventually, fall down, creating a hazard to people and structures below.

But the industry denies that “ice-throwing” — another concern surrounding wind power — is a problem. “Ice can end up at places other than exactly at the base of the turbine, but it’s a myth that a turbine will (and can) operate at high speed with ice on it and fling ice for miles,” said Ron Stimmel of the American Wind Energy Association, in an e-mail message.

Just as an airplane will not be able to fly with too much ice on its wings, Mr. Stimmel said, wind turbines are designed to stop or shut off automatically, he said, when they sense the extra weight of ice.

The American Wind Energy Association has posted a brief on the subject, and also discusses the issue in its handbook for siting new wind projects.

But a 2006 publication by G.E. Energy, a maker of large wind turbines, warns that “rotating turbine blades may propel ice fragments some distance from the turbine — up to several hundred meters if conditions are right.”

Its recommendations include placing fences and warning signs around turbines, and locating them a safe distance from buildings or roads. They also recommend deactivating turbines when ice begins to form.

A Swiss report last year, titled “Wind Turbine Ice Throw Studies in the Swiss Alps,” focused on a turbine near a ski area. That report found ice throw to be a “significant safety risk.” The most dangerous place for ice was underneath the turbine, but about 5 percent of fragments landed more than 80 meters — or 260 feet — from the turbine.

A chart from the study shows where and how far ice and snow were flung, relative to the position of the turbine:

ChartDistribution of ice throw relative to the wind turbine. (Source: Wind Turbine Ice Throw Studies in the Swiss Alps)

An earlier German study came to a similar conclusion:

As a general recommendation, it can be stated that wind farm developers should be very careful at ice endangered sites in the planning phase and take ice throw into account as a safety issue. Each incident or accident caused by ice throw is an unnecessary event and will decrease the public acceptance of wind energy.

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Hmmmm….I wonder if they made the blades with a teflon type coating if that would help.

de-icing heaters have long been a staple on other high structures, notably broadcast towers. back when i was an fm dj in the 70s one of my many jobs was activating the de-icers when the engineers called. back then it was simple push button affair. today’s systems are totally automated.

– js.

The cure is simple – use less electricity. Don’t build these things – they also attract NIMBYs.

Tim – might that same coating also reduce air friction, effectively reducing energy production?

i guess the only law that is certain is the law of unintended consequences.

max- if you applied Teflon to the curved side of the blade, that would increase wind speed over the curved part thereby enhancing the Bernoulli effect, and Increasing energy production. Also prevents ice/snow attachment to the blade as in tim’s brilliant post..

max — no, reducing air friction is a good thing. wind turbines work like airplane wings, and in general, you want less skin friction so the air can flow around the wings (or in this case turbine blades) and create a lifting force. though I doubt such a coating would make any noticeable difference.

seems like it would be trivial though to divert some of the energy created by the turbine to a de-icer.

Red Lobster is bragging about burning wood
to cook it’s food.
Put a Red Lobster under a turbine.
Write the bragging wood burner and tell
them about carbon

This is something to be encouraged, not cured. Teach young boys about the javelin-throwing potential of windmills, and you’ll create a lot more youth interest in green energy.

We could have teams of turbines set up to throw snow at each other. The cost of periodically knocking one down would be more than made up for by the enthusiasm such windmill snowbattles would generate. You could create betting pools, tailgate parties, sell tickets, all sorts of great green possibilities.

Green needs to embrace a bit more macho, and these snow turbines are a big step in that direction.

//www.boldizar.com

I find it maddening that the distance from wind turbine to town was not mentioned in article. Sounds like it would have had to have been less than 300 feet away.

It should be noted that a modern turbine will have a rotor diameter of roughly 80M, so any ice falls within the 40M circle on the rose chart likely aren’t even ice throws, just ice falling off the blades. Don’t stand directly underneath the turbine and you’ll be fine.

Also, turbine setbacks are often 750-1000 feet, well beyond any reported distance of ice throw.

Given their ability to dodge serious safety issues, siting issues and damage to wildlife, I’d say that teflon has already been applied to the developers, the government and local planning bodies….

Teflon is a good idea or apply the de-icing method that the Coast Guard uses on it’s helicopters up in Alaska.

Looks like this turbine had a ridiculously small setback. The linked article from the Wisbech Standard says:
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“The Danish government will not accept turbines being built within 600 metres of homes or businesses, and we have a turbine 65 metres from my son’s home,” he said. “If the ice hit someone, it would definitely kill them.”

Mr Randall is furious that the £2million turbine, which stands 125-metres high, was erected so close to buildings.
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simply drilling for more oil will eliminate the need for these things. Once the north pole melts we will have lots of new locations for drilling

I doubt teflon per se will fit the bill in this case – the teflon layer would be too prone to damage…. well there are plenty of alternative materials that would have the same effect. One of them should be durable enough i would think.

On another note, this makes me glad i don’t live in Toronto. Several are located beside major thoroughfares. I can just see the headlines if someone’s car get skewered.

Wind power is not a solution.
The whole truth about wind turbines is never told by lobbyists and governments.
How could the very weak and extremely unreliable initial energy source of a wind turbine ever produce a steady power of any significance, despite the fact that modern wind turbines are really sophisticated machines?
Please think!
And read: “Wind energy- the whole truth” at: //www.windenergy-the-truth.com/

Very clever observation, David, Oct. 10th on “Teflon” coated developers, the government, local planning bodies” are in effect above the law.

We can sue ourselves when regulators fail to provide adequate protection to the public and endangered wildlife in their consideration of wind turbine permits.

//blog.aklandlaw.com/2008/10/articles/ceqa/wildlife-protected-by-the-public-trust-doctrine-but-doctrine-can-only-be-enforced-against-public-agencies/index.html

“Ice throw has been reported to 140m.”

“These are indeed only a very small fraction of actual incidences – a report* published in 2003 reported 880 icing events between 1990 and 2003 in Germany alone. 33% of these were in the lowlands and on the coastline.”

Caithness Windfarm Information Forum
30 September 2008

//www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/page4.htm

The summary may be downloaded in printable form:

//www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/accidents.pdf

The full accident list may be downloaded here:

//www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/fullaccidents.pdf

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Mark Duchamp

We had a small windmill on the ranch when I was growing up, one of those kind you see in Depression-era photographs taken somewhere on the Great Plains. Beyond it’s normal function of pumping water, it also could power a couple light bulbs if there was a modest breeze, and charge back-up batteries when we were somewhere else on the ranch.

And the part of Texas where the ranch is, isn’t particularly given to wind power, rating out in the lower half of average. Say maybe around 40 on a 100-point scale.

I can see how ice coming of blades could be a concern, especially ice dropping directly below the windmill blades.

But somehow I doubt this will become a major concern. There are other reasons for requiring separation — noise springs to mind, since some folks find it irksome, even dangerous, in the sense of inducing stress and related symptoms (such as headaches).

Sure, the wind doesn’t blow all the time, so there’s that consideration in looking at this as a power source, but that angle isn’t really what the article is about.