L. Ron Hubbard admits he made a mistake and goofed! - Can God make mistakes?

Wasn't he supposed to have been perfect? A god like planet
builder? Master of the universe? Can God make mistakes?

In a series of lectures called "The First Postulate" given
between July 14th 1958 to August 15th 1958, he admits he goofed up.
The lecture where he admits to this goof was given on August 1st 1958,
called "Case Analysis - Rock Hunting (cont.)".In the lecture he
states: "Well, you take a person who is mired down totally in a Rock
and you run some Step 6, you half kill him, and some of us have been
through that. Now if you want to call such a thing a goof, it's a
goof. I'm responsible for it, I did it.". That statement by him is
also located on page 18 of part 3's transcript.

Image that, God making a mistake!

If L. Ron Hubbard could goof up on that, isn't it possible that
he could have goofed up on other things? What has he goofed up on that
he never admitted to or that we don't know about yet?

Truth Seeker
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Here is a list of the titles of all the articles posted earlier
to this newsgroup that the Church of Scientology does not want you to
read. The articles are all listed in alphabetical order. If you're
having a hard time finding them, just do a search on the title of the
article within this newsgroup with your newsreader or go to
google.com, select "groups" and enter the title of the article. Make
sure that if you do a search on a title to leave out the quotation
marks.

You can also find the articles buy doing a search on parts of the
title. For example, if you wanted to find the article: "7 good reasons
why you should stay away from Scientology" you could enter the whole
title in the search box or just "7 good reasons why you". Using parts
of the article title can be a faster and easier way of finding the
article you are looking for.

*- "100% PROOF Tory Christman (Magoo) is a liar"

*- "7 good reasons why you should stay away from Scientology"

*- "A red flag that something isn't right with the Church of
Scientology"

*- "Another Inconsistency in Tory's story"

*- "Another trick Scientologists who are pretending to be critics use
on this newsgroup"

*- "Another Trick Scientology uses to discredit critics on this
newsgroup"

*- "Another trick the Church of Scientology uses to discredit critics"

*- "Are these identities real or did L. Ron Hubbard just make them
up?"

*- "Arnie Lerma answers this important question"

*- "Arnie Lerma, the "Pied Piper" of OSA"

*- "Be careful logging on to Scientology related web sites!"

*- "Be careful of somebody trying to get you to put your name on a
petition!"

*- "Be careful sending your mail to other posters on ARS"

*- "Beware of these types of articles on this newsgroup!"

*- "Boiling down what Scientology is"

*- "Can you really boil life down to these things?"

*- "Characteristics of the Scientologists who post on this newsgroup"

*- "Church of Scientology's Solution to Stopping Real Critics &
Criticism of their church"

*- "Conclusions the Church of Scientology want you to come to"

*- "Could using a "tone scale" be a good way to make people wrong?"

*- "Could this be the REAL reason L. Ron Hubbard created SP tech?"

*- "David Miscavige contradicts L. Ron Hubbard on Nightline!"

*- "Dear Church of Scientology: It's been 54 years now, are the Psychs
all gone yet?"

*- "Dear Church of Scientology: It's been 54 years now, is the planet
clear?"

*- "Did you know there are really two Scientologys"

*- "Do you want to know how The Church of Scientology brought down Bob
Minton?"

*- "Giving Scientology a taste of its own medicine"

*- "Examples of the types of boring posts Scientology puts up to drive
readers off this newsgroup"

*- "Here's the real reason the OSA trolls want you to go on those
"xenu" web sites"

*- "How come Scientology never shut down Arnie Lerma like they did Bob
Minton?"

*- "How do you know that what happened to Lisa McPherson won't happen
to you?"

*- "How much weight does a policy in Scientology have?"

*- "How Scientology Creates Identity Confusion"

*- "How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"

*- "How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup"

*- "How Scientology wants the reader to Misidentify things on this
newsgroup"

*- "How the Church of Scientology tries to discredit it's critics"

*- "How to know if you have been manipulated by OSA on this newsgroup"

*- "How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"

*- "How you know you've just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology"

*- "If a person is treated like a SP they will begin to act like one!"

*- "Is Scientology a slave Organization?"

*- "Is spiritual growth a mechanical process?"

*- "Is the Church of Scientology really helping you get somewhere?"

*- "Let me tell you who the REAL spammers are on this newsgroup"

*- "L. Ron Hubbard admits he made a mistake and goofed"

*- "Never reveal your true identity on this newsgroup!"

*- "Of Ridges and Suppressives"

*- "On the subject of destroying the Church of Scientology"

*- "One of the reasons OSA chose Tory for the job of bringing down Bob
Minton"

*- "One way Scientology is trying to discredit its critics & enemies"

*- "OSA's tactics in a nutshell"

*- "Proof that the justice system in Scientology isn't what they say
it is"

*- "Proof that the reasons L. Ron Hubbard gives for why people attack
him and his church don’t hold water"

*- "The justice system in Scientology, words versus reality"

*- "Scientology is flooding this newsgroup with news-like posts"

*- "Scientology staff members acting like jerks"

*- "Scientology's "discredit the critic" Strategy"

*- "Scientology's "Levels of Enlightenment" Chart"

*- "Scientology's 3 levels of control"

*- "Scientology's trick to keep people from real criticism"

*- "Scientology is a mult-volumed science fiction story that some
people
take too seriously"

*- "Some ways to "handle" the Church of Scientology"

*- "Something Suspicious about Arnie Lerma's Web Site"

*- "Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"

*- "The basis of insanity and how Scientology wants to "handle" you"

*- "The Church of Scientology creates their own enemies"

*- "The Church of Scientology discriminates against people based on
their past"

*- "The Church of Scientology is a mind control organization"

*- "The Church of Scientology is like a shadow"

*- "The Church of Scientology's Decoy System"

*- "The church of scientology tries to demonizes certain qualities in
you all the while displaying them themselves"

*- "The Church of Scientology's greatest nightmare"

*- "The Church of Scientology's recruiting and control operation"

*- "The Church of Scientology will try to track you with web links"

*- "The connection between the Church of Scientology and Earthlink"

*- "The discrepancies between what's in Scientology's books and how
things are in reality"

*- "The Dwindling Spiral, is it really true?"

*- "The effect The Church of Scientology is aiming for with those
"Xenu" web sites"

*- "The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"

*- "The hypocrisy of L. Ron Hubbard's hatred of the US Government"

*- "The injustice that was leveled against me by the Church of
Scientology"

*- "The key to how The Church of Scientology is trying to handle this
newsgroup"

*- "The Madness of the Church of Scientology"

*- "The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"

*- "The making the able more able excuse"

*- "The one thing the Church of Scientology won't help you go "free"
from"

*- "The sad truth about Tory ( Magoo )"

*- "The subject of CONTROL and the Church of Scientology"

*- "The truth about the "Religiousfreedomwatch.org" web site"

*- "The truth about the book "Introduction to Scientology Ethics""

*- "The truth about the "Xenu" web site"

*- "The two faces of Scientology staff members"

*- "The two types of people that are on this newsgroup"

*- "There are two justice systems in Scientology"

*- "This is what the church of scientology is most terrified of"

*- "This is how to destroy the Church of Scientology"

*- "Tory and what she calls "both sides""

*- "Tory's real mission on this newsgroup"

*- "Understanding how Scientology is going about discrediting their
enemies"

*- "Want to know a good way to spot the undercover scientologists on
this newsgroup?"

*- "Want to know if you have been manipulated by Scientology?"

*- "Want to know how the church of scientology is trying to discredit
its critics?"

*- "Was the book: "Dianetics" an attempt you make you wrong?"

*- "Was L. Ron Hubbard a "Squirrel" himself?"

*- "What a Scientologist really is and what a SP really is"

*- "What a Scientology Staff member sees when they look at you"

*- "What a undercover OSA agent Will & Will Not do"

*- "What comes off when Scientology tries to impose their intentions
on you and you stop them?"

*- "What does the Church of Scientology have against free speech?"

*- "What I got from the Church of Scientology as opposed to what I
thought I was going to get"

*- "What is the PRICE for getting involved with the Church of
Scientology?"

*- "What Scientology is in my opinion"

*- "What Scientology is worried about"

*- "What "theta" and "entheta" really is"

*- "What to do so OSA can't hurt you on this newsgroup"

*- "What would OSA do with their time if there were no big bad SP's to
attack?"

*- "When does a Scientologist cease to be a Scientologist?"

*- "Why does the church of scientology blame the same groups of people
for their troubles?"

*- "Who's going to put ethics in on who?"

*- "Why did L. Ron Hubbard consider shooting someone a process?"

*- "Why does Scientology want you to believe members of it's church
are critics?"

*- "Why doesn't Tory go on TV?"

*- "Why is Tory dancing?

*- "Why OSA wants you to leave this newsgroup and go to a web site"

*- "Why were these important facts omitted from the book "Dianetics"?"

*- "Wouldn't creating "SP" tech be a good way of never being detected
as one yourself?"

If any of the articles listed in this index cannot be found, it
is probably because the Church of Scientology has illegally canceled
it in order to keep anybody from reading it. Please wait for me to
re-post it in the future.

Thank You.

Uh huh, and doing exactly the same thing yourself is the best way to
combat this nefarious activity...fight fire with fire...fight stupidity
with even more stupidity...yeah, that'll work...

Peace,
Toby

"Sure, not smoking ENOUGH can cause cancer..." --- L. Ron Hubbard

It's still exactly the same behavior as Truthy. Everyone can see what
his nonsense is all about. Even a newbie wouldn't be fooled for long.
You didn't just "go a little overboard," you drowned out the actual
discussions on a.r.s the same way the Truthtroll does. No different.
Regardless of your motives, you did half of his work for him today. His
stats are way up, thanks to you.

<snip>

Contrary to currently 'popular' opinion, merely ignoring such entities
as Troughslurper (and Brick), Faxwhore, Spacetraveler, Barbara Schwarz,
Larry, Dorian, or even and possibly Simkatu is *not* a recipe for
'making them go away'.

If simpleminded 'craving attention' motives were all that were in
question, then 'ignoring' would be a fine answer. But, OSA (and not all
trolls are OSA) is perfectly capable of running ops with multiple
purposes, and, most frequently in the past 2 years has been a desire to
hijack the 'top of the page' on googlegroups. That's certainly not the
*only* 'win'.

To disrupt such efforts, all that's necessary is to post *anything* in
the flood, but, the strategy is to see such posts disrupting the page-
hijacking flow as themselves a 'win'.

And, they are.

Especially those posts that adopt the Scientology 'stats-thinking'
methodology, and attempt to 'out-produce' the 'Theta'.

Silly. Stupid. Counter-productive.

At the *same* time, there is nothing wrong with 'answering' one of the
noisebots, and sometimes they offer wonderful opportunities to reply.

Spacetraveler (and as far as I know Sten hasn't admitted to being
Spacey) offered both Warrior and Pope Charles wonderful opportunities to
both refute his claims and introduce *essential* information into 'the
permanent record' organically.

Had Bill *really* killfiled him; those 'effects' would possibly not have
happened.

Even Gerry did some good posts in re

It's a bit pointless to try to 'discuss' anything with TS, Brick or et
al nowday, since they're purely into repetition; and Dorian is long past
:)

Still... the problem is attempting to 'outproduce' the logorheatic.

There is *no* way to *stop* the 'Church' of Scientology from dumping
deliberate noise into ARS, as the 'Sporge' proved.

Nor is there any simple way to answer attempts to 'hijack' googlegroups
(and before it; AOL) first pages and highest rankings.

Sometimes 'rankings' are just rank.

The readers will see.

Yes, I agree; people who buy into the Scientology 'outproduce' concept
are themselves the problem.

But, there is no simple answer other than 'read what you want; answer
when you feel like it. Basta'

Zinj

Nonsense. Does he seem frustrated? You didn't "spoil" any of his
threads, you just lengthened them. His purpose is to flood the ng with
bullshit to keep actual discussion about Scientology way down the page
on Google and give newcomers the impression that critics of Scientology
are batshit crazy. Your flooding accomplishes exactly the same purpose.
It doesn't matter if your content is 100% in agreement with his or 100%
opposed. The point is to drown out the real discussions.

I speak only for myself, of course. But I don't care one way or
another if the twits go away. They are in my kf; only my news
client is affected if they are still here. Unless someone like
Scarff or Simkatu decides to respond to every one of their posts.

Then I see one side of a flame thread I am not interested in seeing
any side of at all.

<snip>

I think many of us are in agreement about this central concept,
regardless of philosophical differences about killfiling.

I sometimes find it difficult not to respond to these morons if I
see their posts at all. So I have configured my newsreader to
discard their headers before I see them. In this case, software
compensates for my acknowledged lack of self discipline. Others
(such as Android Cat) do not killfile them. But they don't respond
to them either.

When I suggest that people like Tory should killfile the spamming
morons, I make the suggestion because I am generally interestied in
reading her posts. But I don't care to see her responses to the
spamming morons.

The request is selfish, and I do know that.

<snip>

And don't be afraid to ask people to stop replying to the Three
Stooges ;)

John

Certain people have to learn that not just they have a right of freedom
of speech, but others too. However, as the "critics" and TS are
concerned, they are abusing that right by forging, libeling, defaming,
stalking and posting hate messages.

Barbara Schwarz

http://cybercrimes.net/99MSCCC/MSCCC/Article6/6.01.1.html
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f056.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/f1/forg-law.asp

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U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03
Section 923. Art. 123. Forgery

Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to defraud -
(1) falsely makes or alters any signature to, or any part of,
any writing which would, if genuine, apparently impose a legal
liability on another or change his legal right or liability to
his prejudice; or
(2) utters, offers, issues, or transfers such a writing, known
by him to be so made or altered;
is guilty of forgery and shall be punished as a court-martial may
direct.