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Old 04-28-2008, 12:05 PM
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My oldest son will miss being 18 by a few weeks when the general election comes around. He has always been very passionate about politics and today he heard someone on tv talking about Obama and race. My son had a pretty good analogy, "I don't care what race someone is, the guy is an idiot and he just happens to be black"
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Default Don't Count On Msm To Cover This Story, But I Am Puzzled Why Senator Clinton Hasn't Raised, Seems A No-brainer To Me
Obama Furthers Islam
by Grant Swank (4/3/08)
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Obama supports cousin Kenyan Muslim Raila Odinga, the latter having lost in the presidential elections there. This Muslim relative promised to set in place legalistic Islam with sharia nationwide. When Obama was campaigning in New Hampshire, he phoned support to Odinga in the latter’s bid for the presidency there.
Obama’s support for Kenyan betrays Muslim leanings
April 21, 2008 - 10:30AM
www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/...tion_gray.html
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Odinga approved a memorandum of understanding pledging to make Kenya an Islamic state, by rewriting the country’s constitution recognizing Islamic sharia as the ruling law of the land had he become president. Odinga has admitted his intent to Christian leaders in Kenya.
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Monday, April 28, 2008
islamic jihad up close and personal
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...-personal.html
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chris matthews' interview with senator kirk watson, "name one legislative accomplishment of barack obama"
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the evangelical alliance of kenya's posting of raila odinga's agreement with the islamic community to set up islamic sharia law in kenya upon his election as president
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
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former president jimmy carter's recent meeting with hamas leader khaled meshal
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...al&btnG=Search
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barack obama has a close relationship with raila odinga
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wkenya308.xml
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a picture of barack obama with raila odinga doing that very campaigning and supporting
www.jaluo.com/wangwach/0806/obama/obama4.jpg
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the evangelical alliance of kenya's posting of raila odinga's agreement with the islamic community to set up islamic sharia law in kenya upon his election as president
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
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a youtube video confirms in a kenyan press conference that raila odinga signed an agreement with the kenyan islamic community
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...ga-signed.html
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notorious human rights violations of saudi arabia reported by the u.s. department of state
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41731.htm
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notorious human rights violations of libya reported by the u.s. department of state
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27933.htm
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'mob burns kenyans seeking refuge in church'
www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...ons/index.html
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'a word to islamofascists', by pat condell
dotsub.com/films/awordtoislam...etting=en_1918
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'obama's church', by the investor's business daily
www.investors.com/editorial/e...291&secid=1501
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'holy deception' is considered virtuous in islam if the deception and lying in question promotes islam
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...can-jihad.html
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others suspect barack obama is practicing 'taqiyya', or 'holy deception' for the sake of islam
www.google.com/search?hl=en&p...+obama&spell=1
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association with those of anti-american sentiment
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...-what-you.html
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the april 16 abc news clinton/obama debate transcript
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a 15 minute film by dutch parliamentarian geert wilders called 'fitna' that puts radical islam in the spotlight
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs.../04/fitna.html
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geert wilders' speech to the dutch parliament, which reveals his motivation for making the film 'fitna'
craigread.blogspot.com/2008/0...-hollands.html
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a list of videos by pat condell
www.dotsub.com/home/user/index.php?target=2672
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how islamic sharia law is being written into british law and changing british society in a negative way
dotsub.com/films/awordtoislam...etting=en_1918
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'beyond obama's beauty', by kenneth blackwell of the new york sun
www2.nysun.com/article/71278
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how did greek and roman civilization fall? ( google query )
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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Motivated by fear and multiculturalism, too many Westerners are acquiescing to creeping sharia.
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“So it goes in this upside-down, not-so-brave new media world: those who, if given the power, would subjugate infidels, oppress women, and execute apostates and homosexuals are “moderate” (a moderate, these days, apparently being anybody who doesn’t have explosives strapped to his body), while those who dare to call a spade a spade are “Islamophobes.””
“Enough. We need to recognize that the cultural jihadists hate our freedoms because those freedoms defy sharia, which they’re determined to impose on us. So far, they have been far less successful at rolling back freedom of speech and other liberties in the U.S. than in Europe, thanks in no small part to the First Amendment. Yet America is proving increasingly susceptible to their pressures.
The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled. As for Muslims living in the West, surveys suggest that many of them, though not actively involved in jihad, are prepared to look on passively—and some, approvingly—while their coreligionists drag the Western world into the House of Submission.
But we certainly can’t expect them to take a stand for liberty if we don’t stand up for it ourselves.”
Bruce Bawer is the author of While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying the West from Within. He blogs at BruceBawer.com.
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Obama Furthers Islam
by Grant Swank (4/3/08)
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Obama supports cousin Kenyan Muslim Raila Odinga, the latter having lost in the presidential elections there. This Muslim relative promised to set in place legalistic Islam with sharia nationwide. When Obama was campaigning in New Hampshire, he phoned support to Odinga in the latter’s bid for the presidency there.
Obama’s support for Kenyan betrays Muslim leanings
April 21, 2008 - 10:30AM
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Odinga approved a memorandum of understanding pledging to make Kenya an Islamic state, by rewriting the country’s constitution recognizing Islamic sharia as the ruling law of the land had he become president. Odinga has admitted his intent to Christian leaders in Kenya.
Obama spent his ealy years in Indonsesia with his Indonesian stepfather and attended a Muslim school..This is probably where he got his foundation.
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“MORTALLY wounded and bleeding profusely, Pela Atroshi covered her head with her hands, pleading "please don't shoot me, please don't shoot me". As her sister and her mother screamed, her uncle Rezkar Atroshi raised his gun and killed her. The family's honour had been cleansed.
Rezkar had already shot Pela twice in the back in the upstairs room. Helped downstairs by her mother and her younger sister, the 19-year-old Kurdish Swede was confronted by four resolute men - her father and his three brothers. The men pulled the women apart. Her youngest uncle then finished the job, shooting Pela in the head. The bullet went through one of her fingers and into her brain.”
“She had made the mistake of leaving home for a time, frustrated by her family's adherence to restrictive Kurdish traditions.
"Pela's uncle, the oldest son of Abdulmajid, said if any of the unmarried girls is away from home for one night, she has to be killed," Inspector Algamo said on the phone from Stockholm.
Pela was an intelligent and good-looking girl. When she emigrated with her family to Sweden in 1995, she took to Swedish ways - eventually leaving the family home in January 1999. But after a time she missed her parents and six younger brothers and sisters and returned, agreeing to an arranged marriage in Kurdistan. It was a front - the men in her family had decided to kill her in their home town of Dohuk, northern Iraq, where honour killings were considered minor crimes, and where the Atroshi clan commanded immense respect.”
“Unni Wikan, a Norwegian academic who has written a recent book on honour crimes titled In Honour of Fadime, has looked carefully at the Atroshi case. She said the horrors persisted. "In Sweden there is a development now called balcony suicide," she said, adding the deaths were really camouflaged honour killings.
Inspector Algamo said her research into honour crimes had been difficult. "So many murders, so many girls who fall from the balcony, so many false suicides," she said.
"There is huge pressure on girls to take their own lives. They don't have the right to their own bodies, because their bodies are owned by the clan."”
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Default No Shariah For Kenya, Senator Obama
Americans will choose whom?
Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
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In August, 2006 US Senator Barack Obama [D-IL] made a special trip to visit a special man in Kenya. The man's name was Raila Amolo Odinga. He is the head of the National Muslim Leaders Forum [NAMLEF] in Kenya. The political party he heads is called the Orange Democratic Movement [ODM]—although there is definitely nothing democratic about his political party of NAMLEF. The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election—or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.
When the US Senator visited Kenya to meet with Odinga in Nairobi, the Kenyan government officially denounced the visit. And, most specifically, they denounced Obama. According to a Kenyan government spokesman, Obama's bias for his friend was so blatant that the government found it necessary to complain that Obama appeared to be Odinga's stooge. Not only did Obama campaign for his Islamic friend, he convinced former Clinton adviser Dick Morris to become Odinga's campaign adviser.
Odinga bothers the US State Department for a couple of reasons. First, after losing the democratic election on December 27, Raila Odinga cut a deal for support from Vladimir Putin and the former Soviet Union. Odinga knows he has to overthrow the government to gain power. When he lost the election, he protested that the vote was rigged to keep him from claiming an election he won. He incited his tribal followers to go on a murderous rampage in towns that were primarily Christian. Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people were murdered. What shocked the west is that the Kenyan media—and the political power brokers within the country—out of fear of Odinga, appear to be suggesting that perhaps the election should be held over to stop the violence and the potential for long term Muslim terrorism.
In a wave of violence aimed at protesting what they call the illegal election of newly-elected Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, a group of Christian women and children—some entire families—barricaded themselves in a church. Muslims, inflamed by Odinga's men, torched the church and burned to death everyone inside. This is the man Obama campaigned for in Kenya, and sang the praises of. This is also the man who claims that Barack Obama is a close, personal friend. Christianity would be outlawed.
There would be a complete ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages and a ban on western-style dress for women since this type of garb is considered immoral and an offense to the Muslim faith. Raila Obinga, it seems, would impose the same type of Shariah law that was imposed on Afghanistan by the Taliban. Odinga would degree that no Muslim living in Kenya—whether a citizen, visitor or relative of a citizen of Kenya (such as Obama, whose grandmother is a citizen of Kenya)‚shall be subject to any legal process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested for, or suspected of, terrorism, or of any other international crimes shall only be tried inside the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his or her choice at the expense of the government.
The American people need to be asking Barack Obama a whole different list of questions when they attend his political rallies on his quest to become the leader of the free world. They need to ask the man who he really is because, up to this point on the campaign trail, he has lied to them. The American people need to find an honest candidate. Barack Obama is not that man."
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WHAT WAS SO shocking, terrible and unfair about flashing Osama bin Laden’s ugly mug on a political advertisement? Hillary Clinton’s TV spot was the first Democratic ad to make pictorial reference to the al-Qaida terrorist. It was about time.
The day after Pennsylvania, The New York Times ran a nutty editorial, “The Low Road to Victory,” that bashed Clinton for waving “the bloody shirt of 9/11.” Oh, is referring to the event that obliterated the World Trade Center — still a blank in Lower Manhattan — an irrational demagogic appeal to old grievances? (One suspects that the Times regrets its endorsement of Clinton in the New York primary, especially since she became unfashionable in fancy circles.)
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Did Obama have a Muslim childhood?
By DANIEL PIPES
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"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.
• Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936-1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
• Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of The New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, The Banjarmasin Post, reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."
• Obama's Catholic school in Jakarta: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of The Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school."
• The public school: Paul Watson of The Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of The Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.
• Barack Obama's public school in Jakarta, Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koran studies. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."
• Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).
• Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice [Islam]." Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."
OBAMA'S HAVING been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.
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Barack Obama’s cousin, Raila Odinga, who recently lost in his run for the presidency of Kenya, claims to be a Christian (like Obama does), but he was backed by the muslim population of Kenya, who reacted to Odinga’s loss by killing about a thousand Christians, burning their homes and vehicles, all because their man Odinga, funded by Libya’s Mohammar Khaddafi, could not fulfill their dream of islamic Sharia Law for Kenya, which Odinga had promised them if elected, with the help of Barack Obama.
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By FREDRIC U. DICKER State Editor
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ALBANY - The Rev. Jeremiah Wright would be happy to see Barack Obama's presidential campaign derailed because the pastor is fuming that his former congregant has "betrayed" their 20-year relationship,
The Post has learned. "After 20 years of loving Barack like he was a member of his own family, for Jeremiah to see Barack saying over and over that he didn't know about Jeremiah's views during those years, that he wasn't familiar with what Jeremiah had said, that he may have missed church on this day or that and didn't hear what Jeremiah said, this is seen by Jeremiah as nonsense and betrayal," said the source, who has deep roots in Wright's Chicago community and is familiar with his thinking on the matter.
"Jeremiah is trying to defend his congregation and the work of his ministry by saying what he is saying now," the source added.
"Jeremiah doesn't care if he derails Obama's candidacy or not . . . He knows what he's doing. Obviously, he's not a dumb man. He knows he's not helping."
The source spoke yesterday about Wright's motivation for thrusting himself back into the news, the day after the pastor appeared at the National Press Club on Monday and embarrassed Obama by accusing the United States of terrorism.
Wright has said the reason he has begun granting interviews and making public appearances now is that he wants to defend black churches.
But the source said the preacher's motivation is much more personal.
The source noted that the roots of Wright's disillusionment with Obama began last year after the Illinois senator unexpectedly yanked him from participating in the public announcement of his presidential campaign.
"That's why Jeremiah revealed . . . that he had actually been at the [announcement] hotel and prayed privately with the Obama family before the official declaration," the source told The Post.
"Rev. Wright, as well as other senior members of his church, believe that Obama has betrayed over 20 years of their supposed friendship."
Obama further angered Wright by trying to distance himself from the pastor ever since videos were made public earlier this year of the preacher alleging that America brought 9/11 upon itself and that people should say "God damn America," not "God bless America."
The source added, "After 20 years of loving Barack like he is one of their own, after he was embraced by this congregation as a brother in Christ, after his pastor was a father figure to him and gave him credibility in a city he had not grown up in and in a black community that was suspect of someone from Hawaii and Harvard, he thanks him by not allowing him to speak publicly at his announcement last year?
"A lot of people in the church believe they were there for this man when no one else was, and a lot of people don't believe it any more when Obama claims he loves the man who did so much for him," the source added.
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"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," Meeks said then while preaching. "But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n------. You got some elected officials that are house n------. Rather than them try and break this up, they're gonna fight you to protect that white man."
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One legacy of his speech is that 85-year-old Mrs. Madelyn Dunham, once praised for saving the Obama failed household, will be remembered by America for her supposed racist, “made me cringe” sneers that provoked her brilliant grandson’s metamorphosis into a trans-racial messiah. That cruel evocation was symptomatic of a generation that does all it can to claim credit for itself for its perceived successes, and to allot blame to its predecessors for all its present unhappiness.
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(Regarding Mr. Mason’s comment about Senator Clinton’s Bosnia trip: “And where was Mr. Obama when Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were supporting our troops in Bosnia? Sitting in a cushy Chicago law firm I believe.”)
Jackie Mason interview: ‘I’m the ultimate Jew... Well, bigger than Bibi’
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And nothing is incurring his principled wrath right now as much as the campaign of United States presidential hopeful Barack Obama. “The truth of the matter is he is the most incompetent character probably of all time, and he’s also one of the great liars of all time,” Mason contends. “Everything about him is a fake and a fraud, and he knows how to embellish everything he says to make him sound profound.”
To Mason, Obama’s ascendancy has simply been the result of white liberal guilt. “White people are so guilt-ridden that they feel they have to protect him from any criticism,” he says. “Everybody is desperate to see him become president because they’re frightened of being called a racist.”
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2. Known Devil is better than Unknown Angel
It is always better to choose a known person who delivers rather than an unknown person who promises the sky. With the relatively lesser time that Barack Obama has spent before the scrutiny of the public and media, I tend to favor Hillary Clinton. Yeah! Barack Obama inspires hope... But Does he really believe in the message? Or Is He using it only as a means to attract voters?
DANCING WITH THE DEVIL? (I STILL BELIEVE DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER. SENATOR CLINTON WILL BE OUR NOMINEE.)
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Obama's close business affiliation with Tony Rezko, now on trial for corruption, is just the tip of the iceberg. Then there is William Ayers "I don't regret setting the bombs" In a most perverse twist of fate, we have a radical home grown terrorist who should be behind prison bars to this day. Instead, he is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Amazing! Yet Obama claims to know less about Ayers than he did Wright.
During the campaign we've become privy to quite a few things we did not know about Obama. It is enough to conclude that he is not made of presidential timber. Americans ought to be opened-minded, but we must be informed as well.
Mr. Goodbar (in this case, Mr. Obama) had people fainting at his campaign events. What happened to their messianic figure? Looking for the wrong kinda love in the wrong places; like in the movie, Democrats have wound up dancing with the devil.
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Juan Williams made a valid point about Obama and Wright today. He stated that Obama played politics with the Wright issue, by standing by him to secure the black vote when this first took place. When he realized this was hurting him with white working class voters is the only reason he came out against Wright the second time.
So who is pandering? If I were an African American I would be furious that I was being manipulated for political reasons. I know as a white middle class voter I am furious.
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you posted a thread 'The Black Agenda.com'..Well i started reading it and was quite surprised. It appears that the Black community is waking up about that phoney Obama. It seems that he doesn't have time to campaign in their areas, just assumes he has their votes. he doesn;t spend money in their businesses or support any of the traditional causes...He didn't pay the street people in Philadelphia whereas Hillary did. The blog was very interesting in that AA 's are becoming wise to his tactics. Why should they believe he would help them when POTUS when he doesn't care about them now? They are starting conversations about his senate district in Chicago and how he didn't look out for the people there. I am hoping that some of the AA in NC have finally stopped drinking the kool Aid and start thinking for themselves.....
I think this is definitely something we should start emailing to NC areas and Indiana...asap.....Maybe even the media like Fox or Lou Dobbs
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MARIAN ANDERSON SINGS AT GANDHI MEMORIAL. Delhi, India.
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LEAD KINDLY LIGHT
Lead, kindly light, amid the encircling gloom,
lead thou me on;
the night is dark, and I am far from home;
lead thou me on;
Keep thou my feet; I do not ask to see
the distant scene: one step enough for me.
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Thank you for taking part in the prayer.. from across the world.. and with such apropos song.
Informed democracy is the light that will lead the way to Hillary's victory. We must reach the people everywhere with the truth about the opponent and the solutions that our leader brings. Unless the voters begin to question the hope chest, they will not be ready to hear the solutions.
Thank you.
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MARCUS AGAIN ON THE OBAMA – ODINGA CONNECTION
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...close-and.html
there's one barack obama issue however that stands out above all others to me. and other people who know about it share a legitimate concern. and that is his presence in kenya and his support for raila odinga.
this concern goes way beyond barack obama's muslim roots, muslims in his family and the predominantly muslim schools he attended when he was younger ( pre-hawaii ). his roots pale in comparison to his actions. and those actions are this: in august of 2006 he supported and actually campaigned for raila odinga of kenya. odinga, the leader of the orange democratic movement ( odm ), was running against president mwai kibaki in general elections, a well publicized event. were raila odinga to have been elected president ( he lost ), he would have set up islamic sharia law in 'muslim-declared' areas of kenya in an agreement he made with the muslim community there.
yes, raila odinga signed a document promising the handing over of portions of his country to the muslim community, and the evangelical alliance of kenya, to expose this activity, has had this document posted on the web for a while now ( SOURCE 12. ) so the question is, why would an american senator be supporting the setting up of islamic sharia law, especially post-911? how out of touch and ignorant can one person possibly be with respect to knowledge of odinga's agreement with the islamic community?
considering obama's and odinga's very close relationship and family ties, this 'ignorance' is very unlikely. for whatever reason obama supported and campaigned for odinga - be it obama's close relationship to odinga, or the fact that they are family, or perhaps lingering muslim sentiments on obama's part ( we really do not know actually ), the fact is he did, and to me it's all quite disturbing. it's a very very precarious place to be for someone running for president of the united states, and on top of that, post-911. such activities don't procure a whole lot of trust from me for barack obama. call me cautious, call me patriotic, call me someone with common sense, it just doesn't look good. it probably can be compared to former president jimmy carter's recent meeting with hamas leader khaled meshal, and hamas we all know is one of many organizations the united states considers a major terrorist threat. ( SOURCE 13. ) barack obama's support of raila odinga is not too far off from this.
how do we know obama supported odinga during his august 2006 visit? the evidence is strong. for one, obama criticized president kibaki's administration of corruption virtually daily in various rallies and appearances in nairobi. in the video obama is seen with raila odinga in a few appearances engaging in such support. ( SOURCE: "obama's criticism irks kenyan government - government says obama is a stooge for political opposition" ) it reports that "odinga's been at obama's elbow here fairly often and is a member of the obama family's luo tribe." cbs 2 journalist mike flannery also adds: "after remaining largely silent, the government of president mwai kibaki is beginning to respond, suggesting that obama may have fallen under the spell of opposition leader raila odinga."
so the polarization is apparent: president mwai kibaki versus his opponent raila odinga with barack obama by his side. mike flannery continues, noting a statement by kenyan government official alfred mutua: "sen. obama has to look at critically about where he's receiving his advice from," said government spokesman dr. alfred mutua. "just because somebody, somewhere wants to run for president and is using sen. obama as his stooge, as his puppet to be able to get to where he wants to get to." ( SOURCE: "obama's criticism irks kenyan government - government says obama is a stooge for political opposition" )
there's a reason why obama's support of raila odinga is so disturbing. odinga's 'mou' (memorandum of understanding) agreement with the national muslim leaders forum (namlef) directly ties odinga to a controversial handing over of his government to islamic sharia law. that's disturbing enough for obvious reasons. a blend of a democratic-based way of government with a sharia law-based way of government does not work. they are vastly different rules of law and ways of life. saudi arabia and libya for instance, two sharia law-based governments, are notorious for human rights abuses, as stipulated by the u.s. department of state. ( SOURCE, saudi arabia, SOURCE, libya. ) you may as well be living in the middle ages or the stone age there.
kenya is a relatively established and strong democratic country, a pillar of democracy and economic stability for that whole region of africa. it strongly supports american efforts to fight terrorism in that area of the world. this is confirmed by u.s. state department briefs on kenya as well. ( SOURCE ) so were odinga to have won the presidential election, kenyan democracy would have fallen into sharia rule and would have unstablized that entire region of africa, seeing al-qaida already has strongholds in neighboring sudan, somalia and in algeria to the north.
this points out a clear flaw in foreign policy judgement on barack obama's part. lynn sweet, a chicago sun-times columnist, traveled to kenya and witnessed obama first hand: "i was there when obama delivered a lecture on corruption intended for the ears of kibaki, a member of the kikuyu tribe." she went on to comment on the situation: "i understand obama has to be careful because while he is one of the most credible figures the united states has to deal with kenya, the dispute between odinga and kibaki is mired in tribal politics. obama, very aware that kenyans may see him as a luo in this context, does not want to be seen as taking sides." ( SOURCE ) but the fact is he did take sides, he went out of his way to take sides and spent a good portion of his kenyan tour criticizing kibaki's administration. ( SOURCE ) the kenyan government in fact issued a letter to barack obama after his tour, where the kenyan ambassador (designate) to the us, mr peter oginga ogego stated in part: "i hereby wish to communicate to you the displeasure and disappointment of the government of kenya, (kenyan) embassy in washington dc, and majority of kenyans, with regards to your recent utterances while in kenya. your unprovoked and uncalled for statements were in bad taste...you deliberately, without real cause or reason, other than what appears (to be) to seek cheap publicity and inconsequential populism, chose to publicly attack the democratically elected government of kenya...rather than appreciate and even encourage the gallant and heroic efforts that our government and kenyans have put in dismantling the deeply embedded networks and chains of corruption, you carelessly, in a manner akin to political activism, chose to trash and sneer at us" columnist lynn sweet correctly points out that the odinga and kibaki rivalry has much to do with tribal issues, odinga's luo tribe being the oppressed minority, while kibaki's kikuyu tribe is the elite and privileged one. therefore did barack obama, out of an emotional pull to his luo tribe heritage, set aside sound judgement (that is, promote the greater welfare of kenyan democracy) and instead focus on tribal and family welfare? just look at the results of odinga's election loss .. mass murder and the ravaging of kenya. and it was tribal-based as well. what can we learn from this about obama's foreign policy judgement? he very well could have contributed to exacerbating tribal tensions by taking sides with odinga by very clearly criticizing president kibaki's administration, a government already successfully democratic.
clearly, had odinga won, and the memorandum of understanding been implemented, kenyan government would have fallen into sharia law. can you imagine obama making the same judgement mistakes in both domestic and foreign policy as an american president? he's clearly a novice, who at least in this instance set aside the greater good of kenya in order to pursue tribal and family politics. obama's popularity in kenya could have even emboldened kenyan's to defend their luo tribe and riot and pillage after it was declared that odinga had lost the election.
cbs 2 journalist mike flannery's and chicago sun-times columnist lynn sweet's kenyan tours with barack obama have many insights, and show beyond a doubt that obama did indeed takes sides with raila odinga.
to be clear, obama's visit to odinga in kenya was in august 2006, and the agreement odinga made with the muslim community was signed by odinga in august 2007, but that does not mean obama was not aware of odinga's electoral deal with the kenyan islamic community, which talks were no doubt going on for a while, way before it was signed. considering the VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BARACK OBAMA HAS WITH RAILA ODINGA, chances are obama knew in 2006 what was going down. obama may have even counseled raila odinga in the matter. we may never know,
but as obama supporters are always keen to point out, barack obama is sharp, so he was probably aware of odinga's talks with the islamic community pre-2007. one thing is sure however, you'd never find senator's clinton and mccain doing such foolish things. foolish is not an accurate word, it's more like 'anti-everything-america-stands-for'. and even after the signing of this document by odinga in august 2007, obama STILL has close ties with him. ( SOURCE 14. )
so if he didn't know then, he certainly knows now. and there is no public statement on obama's part repudiating odinga's sharia law sympathizing activity in kenya. this seems to be a recurring theme with barack obama, clear ties to people connected to anti-american activities, some of which include louis farrakhan ( given a lifetime achievement award by obama's church, the leader of the nation of islam, a known racist and supporter of terrorists like moammar kadafi of libya, whom he visited once ), and william ayers ( a confessed american terrorist, which story is being diligently reported by fox new's show 'hannity and colmes', and made a prominent issue by debate moderator george stephanopoulos in the recent april 16th abc news democratic debate between senators clinton and obama. )
it's well known that obama often talks to odinga even while on the democratic presidential campaign trail. i'm assuming all obama supporters want to continue thinking of their candidate as well-informed, astute, sharp, and on top of everything. well then, continue thinking that, because if he really is, then chances are he was never in the dark about odinga's talks with the islamic community and the document in question.
on facbook, i've seen wall posts and discussion groups deleted by group ADMINS of obama supporting groups. apparently they can't defend their candidate in the face of 'sensitive' information, i.e., obama's activity in kenya. it's a definite achilles' heel ( weakness ) in the obama camp, as they should be able to intelligently defend their candidate in the face of sensitive information, not run from it.
SOURCES
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...al&btnG=Search
YouTube - obama-odinga cousins?
www.jaluo.com/wangwach/0806/obama/obama4.jpg
YouTube - obama impact on kenya politics
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...ga-signed.html
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41731.htm
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27933.htm
www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...ons/index.html
dotsub.com/films/awordtoislam...etting=en_1918
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Default Barack Hussein Obama’s Contribution to the Clash of Ideologies
The Obama and Odinga Connection
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Raila Odinga, claimed cousin of Barack Obama, current Prime Minister of Kenya, ran for president of that country in 2007 and signed an agreement with Kenyan Muslim leaders in exchange for their support which promised UNDEMOCRATIC changes such as…
Sharia law in certain parts of Kenya,
censorship of Christian programming on government airwaves, and
a ban on Christian open-air gatherings in Muslim areas as well.
Violence followed Odinga's failed attempt at the presidency of Kenya, and he and Obama have continued to be in touch long after Obama's return to the United States.
Source links follow:
Odinga lifted Obama's "change" platform for his 2007 campaign, see www.raila07.com/
Odinga's agreement with Islamic theocrats in Kenya eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8...
Odinga initially denied this agreement which was made public by the Muslims he signed the agreement with, but later admitted he did so:
raila2007.org/1109.html?*sess...ession*id*val*...
A few quotations from Odinga's agreement with the Muslims:
"Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions."
"Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters."
"Popularize Islam, the only true religion, in the Coast and North Eastern Regions by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes."
THE WORST:
"No Muslim residing in Kenya whether a citizen, visitor or relative of any of the above shall be subjected to any process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested or suspected of Terrorism or any other International crime shall only be tried within the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his/her choice at the expense of the Government."
Not only does the above violate international treaties on criminal extradition, but also means that Kenya would be essentially a safe haven for terrorists -- the Taliban tried a similar ploy with Osama bin Laden.
"Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshipers of the cross in the Coast and North Eastern regions."
"Outlaw gospel programs (preaching, purported faith healing, etc.) on KBC, the National Broadcaster."
Read a 6-page on Obama's associations here:
www.salemthesoldier.us/jonsso...series_01.html...
As recently as the New Hampshire primaries, Obama has been in telephone contact with Raila Odinga. Why?
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Obama is a racist and it is evident in his book "Dreams from My Father". He dismisses his white relatives who raised him as "racist" and vaults his father to a high position of admiration and almost awe. He dismisses whites and women to a large extent.
As I've said before, his "movement" consists of millions of non-thinking and unquestioning voters who got us into the mess with George Bush by voting for him because they'd like to have a beer with him.
If Hallary loses the nomination, I think this country is in for a major unpleasant awakening, perhaps worse than with GWB.
yes more and more --- who thought this man was in any, way, shape or form an appropriate candidate for PRESIDENT of the USA??? indeed trouble is mild ... I really would believe it was the end....
anyway on more positive reality RISE HILLARY RISE!!!!!
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4: This cousin of Barack Obama is a controversial Kenyan politican who was allegedly involved in a plot to bring extremist Muslim law (Sharia) to Kenya.
A) Dikembe Mutumbo
B) Hakeem Olajuwon
C) Coco the Colon
D) Raila Odinga
Saturday, January 05, 2008
Barack Obama backs a Taliban Supporter in Kenya
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Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Obama and Odinga, a Curious Relationship
obamareport.blogspot.com/2008...ationship.html
The following are just a few quotations from Odinga's agreement with the Muslims leaders:
"Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions."
"Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters."
"Popularize Islam, the only true religion, in the Coast and North Eastern Regions by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes."
"No Muslim residing in Kenya whether a citizen, visitor or relative of any of the above shall be subjected to any process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested or suspected of Terrorism or any other International crime shall only be tried within the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his/her choice at the expense of the Government."
Not only does the above violate international treaties on criminal extradition, but also means that Kenya would be essentially a safe haven for terrorists -- the Taliban tried a similar ploy with Osama bin Laden.
"Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshipers of the cross in the Coast and North Eastern regions."
"Outlaw gospel programs (preaching, purported faith healing, etc.) on KBC, the National Broadcaster."
Sources - Eakenya.org, The Midnight Sun, The Obama and Odinga Connection - on the sidebar
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613
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Last Updated: Wednesday, 2 January 2008, 15:09 GMT
Survivors recall church inferno
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A Kenyan mother escaped from Tuesday's church arson attack in the town of Eldoret, only to see her young child tossed back into the flames.
BBC correspondent Karen Allen spoke to the woman who had managed to climb through the window of the burning church with her three children, the youngest, aged three, in her arms.
"As she climbed through the window, the attackers were on the other side - they grabbed her baby and threw it back in. The child died in the inferno," our correspondent told BBC News 24.
Kenya church massacre
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SEAN HANNITY TOO ENAMOURED WITH DICK MORRIS TO MENTION OBAMA – ODINGA – MORRIS TIES
Wednesday, January 02, 2008
Kenya Update: Church Massacre Condemned; ODM Appeals for Calm
panafricannews.blogspot.com/2...condemned.html
mogiyusuf said...
5.It is clear what the ODM parties are trying to do. Their employment of the talents of American spin master d. Morris evinced this desire to win at all costs, fair or foul and it is a strategy that Kenya is paying for today . **** Morris, for those Kenyans who may have forgotten is particularly famous for his involvement in the 'revolution' of the Ukraine where his strategy was to flood the streets with flag-carrying protesters after the election, thereby creating the perception of a defeated government that had rigged itself back into office. Just like in the Ukraine, it is clear that in Kenya, an opposition win is the desired result for both the British and European governments. These governments then went on to underwrite the sustained effort of the demonstrations and its international portrayal as a display of democratic will, against an unpopular government never mind that half the country supported the incumbent. The international media are already being alerted to the role they will be required to play in this coup, a make-believe spontaneous 'Orange Revolution' coming to our streets if Raila and his shadowy allies are not pleased with the election result
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Kenyan Christians should not support Raila 2 - 11-08-2007, 01:13 PM
www.mashada.com/forums/religi...raila-2-a.html
In an earlier post here on mashada with the same title i asked every kenyan christian thinking of supporting raila to look deep and hard at what raila stood for . This tribalist is tearing our country apart and must be stopped .God never sides with people who promote hate against others(read kikuyus)Now the evidence is coming out .Raila odinga only recently started attending church so as to attract votes before that the man (a communist) did not even believe in God . now the mou has been leaked what say you dear Christian
Saturday, December 29, 2007
Why raila has to be stopped
Watch this clip and understand why Raila cant win .His campaign from the very begining has been like that -that led to the break up of yougoslavia
mogiyusuf.blogspot.com/
It is clear what the ODM parties are trying to do. Their employment of the talents of **** Morris evinces this desire to win at all costs, fair or foul and it is a strategy that Kenya can ill afford. **** Morris, for those Kenyans who may have forgotten is particularly famous for his involvement in the 'revolution' of the Ukraine where his strategy was to flood the streets with flag-carrying protesters after the election, thereby creating the perception of a defeated government that had rigged itself back into office.
A past of power more than tribe in Kenya's turmoil
Peter Kimani
Kenya is tottering on the precipice as post-election violence rocks different parts of the country, in what the Nobel Peace laureate Wangari Maathai calls “ethnic cleansing.” But were the pogroms prefigured by Kenya’s political elite long before the first ballot was cast?
2 - 01 - 2008
www.opendemocracy.net/article..._before_tribes
What is unfolding in Kenya may be anarchy but it has also been choreographed long before the first ballot was cast. Beyond picking its name from the Ukraine’s Orange Revolution movement, the ODM election strategy was overseen by Dick Morris, the disgraced political strategist once investigated for tax evasion in the US, and who was alleged to have been instrumental in fomenting revolution in Ukraine and Mexico.
Presenting Morris in Nairobi late last year, Odinga announced that the American would serve as his chief campaign strategist. He had to beat a retreat after local media exposed Morris as the Republican who moonlighted for the Bill Clinton campaign before being fired for allowing a prostitute to eavesdrop on his conversation with the former American president. That was the last that was heard publicly of Morris, although he is listed to have donated 165,000 Kenyan pounds to the ODM campaign kitty in pro-bono services.
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My oldest son will miss being 18 by a few weeks when the general election comes around. He has always been very passionate about politics and today he heard someone on tv talking about Obama and race. My son had a pretty good analogy, "I don't care what race someone is, the guy is an idiot and he just happens to be black"
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Obama Furthers Islam
by Grant Swank (4/3/08)
newsbyus.com/index.php/article/130
EXCERPT
Obama supports cousin Kenyan Muslim Raila Odinga, the latter having lost in the presidential elections there. This Muslim relative promised to set in place legalistic Islam with sharia nationwide. When Obama was campaigning in New Hampshire, he phoned support to Odinga in the latter’s bid for the presidency there.
Obama’s support for Kenyan betrays Muslim leanings
April 21, 2008 - 10:30AM
www.vvdailypress.com/opinion/...tion_gray.html
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Odinga approved a memorandum of understanding pledging to make Kenya an Islamic state, by rewriting the country’s constitution recognizing Islamic sharia as the ruling law of the land had he become president. Odinga has admitted his intent to Christian leaders in Kenya.
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Default Marcus has an extremely well-sourced article on this issue.
Monday, April 28, 2008
islamic jihad up close and personal
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...-personal.html
SOURCES REVIEW:
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chris matthews' interview with senator kirk watson, "name one legislative accomplishment of barack obama"
YouTube - "Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson
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the evangelical alliance of kenya's posting of raila odinga's agreement with the islamic community to set up islamic sharia law in kenya upon his election as president
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
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former president jimmy carter's recent meeting with hamas leader khaled meshal
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...al&btnG=Search
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barack obama has a close relationship with raila odinga
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wkenya308.xml
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a picture of barack obama with raila odinga doing that very campaigning and supporting
www.jaluo.com/wangwach/0806/obama/obama4.jpg
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the evangelical alliance of kenya's posting of raila odinga's agreement with the islamic community to set up islamic sharia law in kenya upon his election as president
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
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a youtube video confirms in a kenyan press conference that raila odinga signed an agreement with the kenyan islamic community
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...ga-signed.html
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notorious human rights violations of saudi arabia reported by the u.s. department of state
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41731.htm
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notorious human rights violations of libya reported by the u.s. department of state
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27933.htm
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'mob burns kenyans seeking refuge in church'
www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...ons/index.html
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'a word to islamofascists', by pat condell
dotsub.com/films/awordtoislam...etting=en_1918
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'obama's church', by the investor's business daily
www.investors.com/editorial/e...291&secid=1501
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'holy deception' is considered virtuous in islam if the deception and lying in question promotes islam
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...can-jihad.html
WARNING – EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIOLENT IMAGE
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others suspect barack obama is practicing 'taqiyya', or 'holy deception' for the sake of islam
www.google.com/search?hl=en&p...+obama&spell=1
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association with those of anti-american sentiment
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...-what-you.html
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the april 16 abc news clinton/obama debate transcript
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a 15 minute film by dutch parliamentarian geert wilders called 'fitna' that puts radical islam in the spotlight
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geert wilders' speech to the dutch parliament, which reveals his motivation for making the film 'fitna'
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a list of videos by pat condell
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how islamic sharia law is being written into british law and changing british society in a negative way
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'beyond obama's beauty', by kenneth blackwell of the new york sun
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Motivated by fear and multiculturalism, too many Westerners are acquiescing to creeping sharia.
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“So it goes in this upside-down, not-so-brave new media world: those who, if given the power, would subjugate infidels, oppress women, and execute apostates and homosexuals are “moderate” (a moderate, these days, apparently being anybody who doesn’t have explosives strapped to his body), while those who dare to call a spade a spade are “Islamophobes.””
“Enough. We need to recognize that the cultural jihadists hate our freedoms because those freedoms defy sharia, which they’re determined to impose on us. So far, they have been far less successful at rolling back freedom of speech and other liberties in the U.S. than in Europe, thanks in no small part to the First Amendment. Yet America is proving increasingly susceptible to their pressures.
The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled. As for Muslims living in the West, surveys suggest that many of them, though not actively involved in jihad, are prepared to look on passively—and some, approvingly—while their coreligionists drag the Western world into the House of Submission.
But we certainly can’t expect them to take a stand for liberty if we don’t stand up for it ourselves.”
Bruce Bawer is the author of While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying the West from Within. He blogs at BruceBawer.com.
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Obama supports cousin Kenyan Muslim Raila Odinga, the latter having lost in the presidential elections there. This Muslim relative promised to set in place legalistic Islam with sharia nationwide. When Obama was campaigning in New Hampshire, he phoned support to Odinga in the latter’s bid for the presidency there.
Obama’s support for Kenyan betrays Muslim leanings
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Odinga approved a memorandum of understanding pledging to make Kenya an Islamic state, by rewriting the country’s constitution recognizing Islamic sharia as the ruling law of the land had he become president. Odinga has admitted his intent to Christian leaders in Kenya.
Obama spent his ealy years in Indonsesia with his Indonesian stepfather and attended a Muslim school..This is probably where he got his foundation.
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“MORTALLY wounded and bleeding profusely, Pela Atroshi covered her head with her hands, pleading "please don't shoot me, please don't shoot me". As her sister and her mother screamed, her uncle Rezkar Atroshi raised his gun and killed her. The family's honour had been cleansed.
Rezkar had already shot Pela twice in the back in the upstairs room. Helped downstairs by her mother and her younger sister, the 19-year-old Kurdish Swede was confronted by four resolute men - her father and his three brothers. The men pulled the women apart. Her youngest uncle then finished the job, shooting Pela in the head. The bullet went through one of her fingers and into her brain.”
“She had made the mistake of leaving home for a time, frustrated by her family's adherence to restrictive Kurdish traditions.
"Pela's uncle, the oldest son of Abdulmajid, said if any of the unmarried girls is away from home for one night, she has to be killed," Inspector Algamo said on the phone from Stockholm.
Pela was an intelligent and good-looking girl. When she emigrated with her family to Sweden in 1995, she took to Swedish ways - eventually leaving the family home in January 1999. But after a time she missed her parents and six younger brothers and sisters and returned, agreeing to an arranged marriage in Kurdistan. It was a front - the men in her family had decided to kill her in their home town of Dohuk, northern Iraq, where honour killings were considered minor crimes, and where the Atroshi clan commanded immense respect.”
“Unni Wikan, a Norwegian academic who has written a recent book on honour crimes titled In Honour of Fadime, has looked carefully at the Atroshi case. She said the horrors persisted. "In Sweden there is a development now called balcony suicide," she said, adding the deaths were really camouflaged honour killings.
Inspector Algamo said her research into honour crimes had been difficult. "So many murders, so many girls who fall from the balcony, so many false suicides," she said.
"There is huge pressure on girls to take their own lives. They don't have the right to their own bodies, because their bodies are owned by the clan."”
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Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
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In August, 2006 US Senator Barack Obama [D-IL] made a special trip to visit a special man in Kenya. The man's name was Raila Amolo Odinga. He is the head of the National Muslim Leaders Forum [NAMLEF] in Kenya. The political party he heads is called the Orange Democratic Movement [ODM]—although there is definitely nothing democratic about his political party of NAMLEF. The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election—or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.
When the US Senator visited Kenya to meet with Odinga in Nairobi, the Kenyan government officially denounced the visit. And, most specifically, they denounced Obama. According to a Kenyan government spokesman, Obama's bias for his friend was so blatant that the government found it necessary to complain that Obama appeared to be Odinga's stooge. Not only did Obama campaign for his Islamic friend, he convinced former Clinton adviser Dick Morris to become Odinga's campaign adviser.
Odinga bothers the US State Department for a couple of reasons. First, after losing the democratic election on December 27, Raila Odinga cut a deal for support from Vladimir Putin and the former Soviet Union. Odinga knows he has to overthrow the government to gain power. When he lost the election, he protested that the vote was rigged to keep him from claiming an election he won. He incited his tribal followers to go on a murderous rampage in towns that were primarily Christian. Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people were murdered. What shocked the west is that the Kenyan media—and the political power brokers within the country—out of fear of Odinga, appear to be suggesting that perhaps the election should be held over to stop the violence and the potential for long term Muslim terrorism.
In a wave of violence aimed at protesting what they call the illegal election of newly-elected Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, a group of Christian women and children—some entire families—barricaded themselves in a church. Muslims, inflamed by Odinga's men, torched the church and burned to death everyone inside. This is the man Obama campaigned for in Kenya, and sang the praises of. This is also the man who claims that Barack Obama is a close, personal friend. Christianity would be outlawed.
There would be a complete ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages and a ban on western-style dress for women since this type of garb is considered immoral and an offense to the Muslim faith. Raila Obinga, it seems, would impose the same type of Shariah law that was imposed on Afghanistan by the Taliban. Odinga would degree that no Muslim living in Kenya—whether a citizen, visitor or relative of a citizen of Kenya (such as Obama, whose grandmother is a citizen of Kenya)‚shall be subject to any legal process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested for, or suspected of, terrorism, or of any other international crimes shall only be tried inside the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his or her choice at the expense of the government.
The American people need to be asking Barack Obama a whole different list of questions when they attend his political rallies on his quest to become the leader of the free world. They need to ask the man who he really is because, up to this point on the campaign trail, he has lied to them. The American people need to find an honest candidate. Barack Obama is not that man."
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WHAT WAS SO shocking, terrible and unfair about flashing Osama bin Laden’s ugly mug on a political advertisement? Hillary Clinton’s TV spot was the first Democratic ad to make pictorial reference to the al-Qaida terrorist. It was about time.
The day after Pennsylvania, The New York Times ran a nutty editorial, “The Low Road to Victory,” that bashed Clinton for waving “the bloody shirt of 9/11.” Oh, is referring to the event that obliterated the World Trade Center — still a blank in Lower Manhattan — an irrational demagogic appeal to old grievances? (One suspects that the Times regrets its endorsement of Clinton in the New York primary, especially since she became unfashionable in fancy circles.)
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Apr 30, 2008 22:15 | Updated May 1, 2008 10:44
Did Obama have a Muslim childhood?
By DANIEL PIPES
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"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.
• Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936-1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
• Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of The New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, The Banjarmasin Post, reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."
• Obama's Catholic school in Jakarta: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of The Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school."
• The public school: Paul Watson of The Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of The Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.
• Barack Obama's public school in Jakarta, Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koran studies. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."
• Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).
• Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice [Islam]." Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."
OBAMA'S HAVING been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.
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Barack Obama’s cousin, Raila Odinga, who recently lost in his run for the presidency of Kenya, claims to be a Christian (like Obama does), but he was backed by the muslim population of Kenya, who reacted to Odinga’s loss by killing about a thousand Christians, burning their homes and vehicles, all because their man Odinga, funded by Libya’s Mohammar Khaddafi, could not fulfill their dream of islamic Sharia Law for Kenya, which Odinga had promised them if elected, with the help of Barack Obama.
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REV-ENGE IS SWEET FOR 'BETRAYED' PASTOR
By FREDRIC U. DICKER State Editor
April 30, 2008
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ALBANY - The Rev. Jeremiah Wright would be happy to see Barack Obama's presidential campaign derailed because the pastor is fuming that his former congregant has "betrayed" their 20-year relationship,
The Post has learned. "After 20 years of loving Barack like he was a member of his own family, for Jeremiah to see Barack saying over and over that he didn't know about Jeremiah's views during those years, that he wasn't familiar with what Jeremiah had said, that he may have missed church on this day or that and didn't hear what Jeremiah said, this is seen by Jeremiah as nonsense and betrayal," said the source, who has deep roots in Wright's Chicago community and is familiar with his thinking on the matter.
"Jeremiah is trying to defend his congregation and the work of his ministry by saying what he is saying now," the source added.
"Jeremiah doesn't care if he derails Obama's candidacy or not . . . He knows what he's doing. Obviously, he's not a dumb man. He knows he's not helping."
The source spoke yesterday about Wright's motivation for thrusting himself back into the news, the day after the pastor appeared at the National Press Club on Monday and embarrassed Obama by accusing the United States of terrorism.
Wright has said the reason he has begun granting interviews and making public appearances now is that he wants to defend black churches.
But the source said the preacher's motivation is much more personal.
The source noted that the roots of Wright's disillusionment with Obama began last year after the Illinois senator unexpectedly yanked him from participating in the public announcement of his presidential campaign.
"That's why Jeremiah revealed . . . that he had actually been at the [announcement] hotel and prayed privately with the Obama family before the official declaration," the source told The Post.
"Rev. Wright, as well as other senior members of his church, believe that Obama has betrayed over 20 years of their supposed friendship."
Obama further angered Wright by trying to distance himself from the pastor ever since videos were made public earlier this year of the preacher alleging that America brought 9/11 upon itself and that people should say "God damn America," not "God bless America."
The source added, "After 20 years of loving Barack like he is one of their own, after he was embraced by this congregation as a brother in Christ, after his pastor was a father figure to him and gave him credibility in a city he had not grown up in and in a black community that was suspect of someone from Hawaii and Harvard, he thanks him by not allowing him to speak publicly at his announcement last year?
"A lot of people in the church believe they were there for this man when no one else was, and a lot of people don't believe it any more when Obama claims he loves the man who did so much for him," the source added.
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"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," Meeks said then while preaching. "But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n------. You got some elected officials that are house n------. Rather than them try and break this up, they're gonna fight you to protect that white man."
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One legacy of his speech is that 85-year-old Mrs. Madelyn Dunham, once praised for saving the Obama failed household, will be remembered by America for her supposed racist, “made me cringe” sneers that provoked her brilliant grandson’s metamorphosis into a trans-racial messiah. That cruel evocation was symptomatic of a generation that does all it can to claim credit for itself for its perceived successes, and to allot blame to its predecessors for all its present unhappiness.
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(Regarding Mr. Mason’s comment about Senator Clinton’s Bosnia trip: “And where was Mr. Obama when Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were supporting our troops in Bosnia? Sitting in a cushy Chicago law firm I believe.”)
Jackie Mason interview: ‘I’m the ultimate Jew... Well, bigger than Bibi’
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And nothing is incurring his principled wrath right now as much as the campaign of United States presidential hopeful Barack Obama. “The truth of the matter is he is the most incompetent character probably of all time, and he’s also one of the great liars of all time,” Mason contends. “Everything about him is a fake and a fraud, and he knows how to embellish everything he says to make him sound profound.”
To Mason, Obama’s ascendancy has simply been the result of white liberal guilt. “White people are so guilt-ridden that they feel they have to protect him from any criticism,” he says. “Everybody is desperate to see him become president because they’re frightened of being called a racist.”
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2. Known Devil is better than Unknown Angel
It is always better to choose a known person who delivers rather than an unknown person who promises the sky. With the relatively lesser time that Barack Obama has spent before the scrutiny of the public and media, I tend to favor Hillary Clinton. Yeah! Barack Obama inspires hope... But Does he really believe in the message? Or Is He using it only as a means to attract voters?
DANCING WITH THE DEVIL? (I STILL BELIEVE DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER. SENATOR CLINTON WILL BE OUR NOMINEE.)
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Obama's close business affiliation with Tony Rezko, now on trial for corruption, is just the tip of the iceberg. Then there is William Ayers "I don't regret setting the bombs" In a most perverse twist of fate, we have a radical home grown terrorist who should be behind prison bars to this day. Instead, he is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Amazing! Yet Obama claims to know less about Ayers than he did Wright.
During the campaign we've become privy to quite a few things we did not know about Obama. It is enough to conclude that he is not made of presidential timber. Americans ought to be opened-minded, but we must be informed as well.
Mr. Goodbar (in this case, Mr. Obama) had people fainting at his campaign events. What happened to their messianic figure? Looking for the wrong kinda love in the wrong places; like in the movie, Democrats have wound up dancing with the devil.
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Juan Williams made a valid point about Obama and Wright today. He stated that Obama played politics with the Wright issue, by standing by him to secure the black vote when this first took place. When he realized this was hurting him with white working class voters is the only reason he came out against Wright the second time.
So who is pandering? If I were an African American I would be furious that I was being manipulated for political reasons. I know as a white middle class voter I am furious.
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you posted a thread 'The Black Agenda.com'..Well i started reading it and was quite surprised. It appears that the Black community is waking up about that phoney Obama. It seems that he doesn't have time to campaign in their areas, just assumes he has their votes. he doesn;t spend money in their businesses or support any of the traditional causes...He didn't pay the street people in Philadelphia whereas Hillary did. The blog was very interesting in that AA 's are becoming wise to his tactics. Why should they believe he would help them when POTUS when he doesn't care about them now? They are starting conversations about his senate district in Chicago and how he didn't look out for the people there. I am hoping that some of the AA in NC have finally stopped drinking the kool Aid and start thinking for themselves.....
I think this is definitely something we should start emailing to NC areas and Indiana...asap.....Maybe even the media like Fox or Lou Dobbs
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MARIAN ANDERSON SINGS AT GANDHI MEMORIAL. Delhi, India.
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LEAD KINDLY LIGHT
Lead, kindly light, amid the encircling gloom,
lead thou me on;
the night is dark, and I am far from home;
lead thou me on;
Keep thou my feet; I do not ask to see
the distant scene: one step enough for me.
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Thank you for taking part in the prayer.. from across the world.. and with such apropos song.
Informed democracy is the light that will lead the way to Hillary's victory. We must reach the people everywhere with the truth about the opponent and the solutions that our leader brings. Unless the voters begin to question the hope chest, they will not be ready to hear the solutions.
Thank you.
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MARCUS AGAIN ON THE OBAMA – ODINGA CONNECTION
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...close-and.html
there's one barack obama issue however that stands out above all others to me. and other people who know about it share a legitimate concern. and that is his presence in kenya and his support for raila odinga.
this concern goes way beyond barack obama's muslim roots, muslims in his family and the predominantly muslim schools he attended when he was younger ( pre-hawaii ). his roots pale in comparison to his actions. and those actions are this: in august of 2006 he supported and actually campaigned for raila odinga of kenya. odinga, the leader of the orange democratic movement ( odm ), was running against president mwai kibaki in general elections, a well publicized event. were raila odinga to have been elected president ( he lost ), he would have set up islamic sharia law in 'muslim-declared' areas of kenya in an agreement he made with the muslim community there.
yes, raila odinga signed a document promising the handing over of portions of his country to the muslim community, and the evangelical alliance of kenya, to expose this activity, has had this document posted on the web for a while now ( SOURCE 12. ) so the question is, why would an american senator be supporting the setting up of islamic sharia law, especially post-911? how out of touch and ignorant can one person possibly be with respect to knowledge of odinga's agreement with the islamic community?
considering obama's and odinga's very close relationship and family ties, this 'ignorance' is very unlikely. for whatever reason obama supported and campaigned for odinga - be it obama's close relationship to odinga, or the fact that they are family, or perhaps lingering muslim sentiments on obama's part ( we really do not know actually ), the fact is he did, and to me it's all quite disturbing. it's a very very precarious place to be for someone running for president of the united states, and on top of that, post-911. such activities don't procure a whole lot of trust from me for barack obama. call me cautious, call me patriotic, call me someone with common sense, it just doesn't look good. it probably can be compared to former president jimmy carter's recent meeting with hamas leader khaled meshal, and hamas we all know is one of many organizations the united states considers a major terrorist threat. ( SOURCE 13. ) barack obama's support of raila odinga is not too far off from this.
how do we know obama supported odinga during his august 2006 visit? the evidence is strong. for one, obama criticized president kibaki's administration of corruption virtually daily in various rallies and appearances in nairobi. in the video obama is seen with raila odinga in a few appearances engaging in such support. ( SOURCE: "obama's criticism irks kenyan government - government says obama is a stooge for political opposition" ) it reports that "odinga's been at obama's elbow here fairly often and is a member of the obama family's luo tribe." cbs 2 journalist mike flannery also adds: "after remaining largely silent, the government of president mwai kibaki is beginning to respond, suggesting that obama may have fallen under the spell of opposition leader raila odinga."
so the polarization is apparent: president mwai kibaki versus his opponent raila odinga with barack obama by his side. mike flannery continues, noting a statement by kenyan government official alfred mutua: "sen. obama has to look at critically about where he's receiving his advice from," said government spokesman dr. alfred mutua. "just because somebody, somewhere wants to run for president and is using sen. obama as his stooge, as his puppet to be able to get to where he wants to get to." ( SOURCE: "obama's criticism irks kenyan government - government says obama is a stooge for political opposition" )
there's a reason why obama's support of raila odinga is so disturbing. odinga's 'mou' (memorandum of understanding) agreement with the national muslim leaders forum (namlef) directly ties odinga to a controversial handing over of his government to islamic sharia law. that's disturbing enough for obvious reasons. a blend of a democratic-based way of government with a sharia law-based way of government does not work. they are vastly different rules of law and ways of life. saudi arabia and libya for instance, two sharia law-based governments, are notorious for human rights abuses, as stipulated by the u.s. department of state. ( SOURCE, saudi arabia, SOURCE, libya. ) you may as well be living in the middle ages or the stone age there.
kenya is a relatively established and strong democratic country, a pillar of democracy and economic stability for that whole region of africa. it strongly supports american efforts to fight terrorism in that area of the world. this is confirmed by u.s. state department briefs on kenya as well. ( SOURCE ) so were odinga to have won the presidential election, kenyan democracy would have fallen into sharia rule and would have unstablized that entire region of africa, seeing al-qaida already has strongholds in neighboring sudan, somalia and in algeria to the north.
this points out a clear flaw in foreign policy judgement on barack obama's part. lynn sweet, a chicago sun-times columnist, traveled to kenya and witnessed obama first hand: "i was there when obama delivered a lecture on corruption intended for the ears of kibaki, a member of the kikuyu tribe." she went on to comment on the situation: "i understand obama has to be careful because while he is one of the most credible figures the united states has to deal with kenya, the dispute between odinga and kibaki is mired in tribal politics. obama, very aware that kenyans may see him as a luo in this context, does not want to be seen as taking sides." ( SOURCE ) but the fact is he did take sides, he went out of his way to take sides and spent a good portion of his kenyan tour criticizing kibaki's administration. ( SOURCE ) the kenyan government in fact issued a letter to barack obama after his tour, where the kenyan ambassador (designate) to the us, mr peter oginga ogego stated in part: "i hereby wish to communicate to you the displeasure and disappointment of the government of kenya, (kenyan) embassy in washington dc, and majority of kenyans, with regards to your recent utterances while in kenya. your unprovoked and uncalled for statements were in bad taste...you deliberately, without real cause or reason, other than what appears (to be) to seek cheap publicity and inconsequential populism, chose to publicly attack the democratically elected government of kenya...rather than appreciate and even encourage the gallant and heroic efforts that our government and kenyans have put in dismantling the deeply embedded networks and chains of corruption, you carelessly, in a manner akin to political activism, chose to trash and sneer at us" columnist lynn sweet correctly points out that the odinga and kibaki rivalry has much to do with tribal issues, odinga's luo tribe being the oppressed minority, while kibaki's kikuyu tribe is the elite and privileged one. therefore did barack obama, out of an emotional pull to his luo tribe heritage, set aside sound judgement (that is, promote the greater welfare of kenyan democracy) and instead focus on tribal and family welfare? just look at the results of odinga's election loss .. mass murder and the ravaging of kenya. and it was tribal-based as well. what can we learn from this about obama's foreign policy judgement? he very well could have contributed to exacerbating tribal tensions by taking sides with odinga by very clearly criticizing president kibaki's administration, a government already successfully democratic.
clearly, had odinga won, and the memorandum of understanding been implemented, kenyan government would have fallen into sharia law. can you imagine obama making the same judgement mistakes in both domestic and foreign policy as an american president? he's clearly a novice, who at least in this instance set aside the greater good of kenya in order to pursue tribal and family politics. obama's popularity in kenya could have even emboldened kenyan's to defend their luo tribe and riot and pillage after it was declared that odinga had lost the election.
cbs 2 journalist mike flannery's and chicago sun-times columnist lynn sweet's kenyan tours with barack obama have many insights, and show beyond a doubt that obama did indeed takes sides with raila odinga.
to be clear, obama's visit to odinga in kenya was in august 2006, and the agreement odinga made with the muslim community was signed by odinga in august 2007, but that does not mean obama was not aware of odinga's electoral deal with the kenyan islamic community, which talks were no doubt going on for a while, way before it was signed. considering the VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BARACK OBAMA HAS WITH RAILA ODINGA, chances are obama knew in 2006 what was going down. obama may have even counseled raila odinga in the matter. we may never know,
but as obama supporters are always keen to point out, barack obama is sharp, so he was probably aware of odinga's talks with the islamic community pre-2007. one thing is sure however, you'd never find senator's clinton and mccain doing such foolish things. foolish is not an accurate word, it's more like 'anti-everything-america-stands-for'. and even after the signing of this document by odinga in august 2007, obama STILL has close ties with him. ( SOURCE 14. )
so if he didn't know then, he certainly knows now. and there is no public statement on obama's part repudiating odinga's sharia law sympathizing activity in kenya. this seems to be a recurring theme with barack obama, clear ties to people connected to anti-american activities, some of which include louis farrakhan ( given a lifetime achievement award by obama's church, the leader of the nation of islam, a known racist and supporter of terrorists like moammar kadafi of libya, whom he visited once ), and william ayers ( a confessed american terrorist, which story is being diligently reported by fox new's show 'hannity and colmes', and made a prominent issue by debate moderator george stephanopoulos in the recent april 16th abc news democratic debate between senators clinton and obama. )
it's well known that obama often talks to odinga even while on the democratic presidential campaign trail. i'm assuming all obama supporters want to continue thinking of their candidate as well-informed, astute, sharp, and on top of everything. well then, continue thinking that, because if he really is, then chances are he was never in the dark about odinga's talks with the islamic community and the document in question.
on facbook, i've seen wall posts and discussion groups deleted by group ADMINS of obama supporting groups. apparently they can't defend their candidate in the face of 'sensitive' information, i.e., obama's activity in kenya. it's a definite achilles' heel ( weakness ) in the obama camp, as they should be able to intelligently defend their candidate in the face of sensitive information, not run from it.
SOURCES
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...al&btnG=Search
YouTube - obama-odinga cousins?
www.jaluo.com/wangwach/0806/obama/obama4.jpg
YouTube - obama impact on kenya politics
http://make-informed-decisions.blogs...ga-signed.html
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41731.htm
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27933.htm
www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...ons/index.html
dotsub.com/films/awordtoislam...etting=en_1918
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Default Barack Hussein Obama’s Contribution to the Clash of Ideologies
The Obama and Odinga Connection
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Raila Odinga, claimed cousin of Barack Obama, current Prime Minister of Kenya, ran for president of that country in 2007 and signed an agreement with Kenyan Muslim leaders in exchange for their support which promised UNDEMOCRATIC changes such as…
Sharia law in certain parts of Kenya,
censorship of Christian programming on government airwaves, and
a ban on Christian open-air gatherings in Muslim areas as well.
Violence followed Odinga's failed attempt at the presidency of Kenya, and he and Obama have continued to be in touch long after Obama's return to the United States.
Source links follow:
Odinga lifted Obama's "change" platform for his 2007 campaign, see www.raila07.com/
Odinga's agreement with Islamic theocrats in Kenya eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8...
Odinga initially denied this agreement which was made public by the Muslims he signed the agreement with, but later admitted he did so:
raila2007.org/1109.html?*sess...ession*id*val*...
A few quotations from Odinga's agreement with the Muslims:
"Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions."
"Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters."
"Popularize Islam, the only true religion, in the Coast and North Eastern Regions by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes."
THE WORST:
"No Muslim residing in Kenya whether a citizen, visitor or relative of any of the above shall be subjected to any process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested or suspected of Terrorism or any other International crime shall only be tried within the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his/her choice at the expense of the Government."
Not only does the above violate international treaties on criminal extradition, but also means that Kenya would be essentially a safe haven for terrorists -- the Taliban tried a similar ploy with Osama bin Laden.
"Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshipers of the cross in the Coast and North Eastern regions."
"Outlaw gospel programs (preaching, purported faith healing, etc.) on KBC, the National Broadcaster."
Read a 6-page on Obama's associations here:
www.salemthesoldier.us/jonsso...series_01.html...
As recently as the New Hampshire primaries, Obama has been in telephone contact with Raila Odinga. Why?
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Obama is a racist and it is evident in his book "Dreams from My Father". He dismisses his white relatives who raised him as "racist" and vaults his father to a high position of admiration and almost awe. He dismisses whites and women to a large extent.
As I've said before, his "movement" consists of millions of non-thinking and unquestioning voters who got us into the mess with George Bush by voting for him because they'd like to have a beer with him.
If Hallary loses the nomination, I think this country is in for a major unpleasant awakening, perhaps worse than with GWB.
yes more and more --- who thought this man was in any, way, shape or form an appropriate candidate for PRESIDENT of the USA??? indeed trouble is mild ... I really would believe it was the end....
anyway on more positive reality RISE HILLARY RISE!!!!!
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4: This cousin of Barack Obama is a controversial Kenyan politican who was allegedly involved in a plot to bring extremist Muslim law (Sharia) to Kenya.
A) Dikembe Mutumbo
B) Hakeem Olajuwon
C) Coco the Colon
D) Raila Odinga
Saturday, January 05, 2008
Barack Obama backs a Taliban Supporter in Kenya
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Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Obama and Odinga, a Curious Relationship
obamareport.blogspot.com/2008...ationship.html
The following are just a few quotations from Odinga's agreement with the Muslims leaders:
"Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions."
"Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters."
"Popularize Islam, the only true religion, in the Coast and North Eastern Regions by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes."
"No Muslim residing in Kenya whether a citizen, visitor or relative of any of the above shall be subjected to any process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested or suspected of Terrorism or any other International crime shall only be tried within the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his/her choice at the expense of the Government."
Not only does the above violate international treaties on criminal extradition, but also means that Kenya would be essentially a safe haven for terrorists -- the Taliban tried a similar ploy with Osama bin Laden.
"Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshipers of the cross in the Coast and North Eastern regions."
"Outlaw gospel programs (preaching, purported faith healing, etc.) on KBC, the National Broadcaster."
Sources - Eakenya.org, The Midnight Sun, The Obama and Odinga Connection - on the sidebar
eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613
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Default This was the first I heard of this story, long before I knew of the Obama – Odinga connection. You can imagine my horror.
Last Updated: Wednesday, 2 January 2008, 15:09 GMT
Survivors recall church inferno
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A Kenyan mother escaped from Tuesday's church arson attack in the town of Eldoret, only to see her young child tossed back into the flames.
BBC correspondent Karen Allen spoke to the woman who had managed to climb through the window of the burning church with her three children, the youngest, aged three, in her arms.
"As she climbed through the window, the attackers were on the other side - they grabbed her baby and threw it back in. The child died in the inferno," our correspondent told BBC News 24.
Kenya church massacre
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SEAN HANNITY TOO ENAMOURED WITH DICK MORRIS TO MENTION OBAMA – ODINGA – MORRIS TIES
Wednesday, January 02, 2008
Kenya Update: Church Massacre Condemned; ODM Appeals for Calm
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5.It is clear what the ODM parties are trying to do. Their employment of the talents of American spin master d. Morris evinced this desire to win at all costs, fair or foul and it is a strategy that Kenya is paying for today . **** Morris, for those Kenyans who may have forgotten is particularly famous for his involvement in the 'revolution' of the Ukraine where his strategy was to flood the streets with flag-carrying protesters after the election, thereby creating the perception of a defeated government that had rigged itself back into office. Just like in the Ukraine, it is clear that in Kenya, an opposition win is the desired result for both the British and European governments. These governments then went on to underwrite the sustained effort of the demonstrations and its international portrayal as a display of democratic will, against an unpopular government never mind that half the country supported the incumbent. The international media are already being alerted to the role they will be required to play in this coup, a make-believe spontaneous 'Orange Revolution' coming to our streets if Raila and his shadowy allies are not pleased with the election result
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Kenyan Christians should not support Raila 2 - 11-08-2007, 01:13 PM
www.mashada.com/forums/religi...raila-2-a.html
In an earlier post here on mashada with the same title i asked every kenyan christian thinking of supporting raila to look deep and hard at what raila stood for . This tribalist is tearing our country apart and must be stopped .God never sides with people who promote hate against others(read kikuyus)Now the evidence is coming out .Raila odinga only recently started attending church so as to attract votes before that the man (a communist) did not even believe in God . now the mou has been leaked what say you dear Christian
Saturday, December 29, 2007
Why raila has to be stopped
Watch this clip and understand why Raila cant win .His campaign from the very begining has been like that -that led to the break up of yougoslavia
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It is clear what the ODM parties are trying to do. Their employment of the talents of **** Morris evinces this desire to win at all costs, fair or foul and it is a strategy that Kenya can ill afford. **** Morris, for those Kenyans who may have forgotten is particularly famous for his involvement in the 'revolution' of the Ukraine where his strategy was to flood the streets with flag-carrying protesters after the election, thereby creating the perception of a defeated government that had rigged itself back into office.
A past of power more than tribe in Kenya's turmoil
Peter Kimani
Kenya is tottering on the precipice as post-election violence rocks different parts of the country, in what the Nobel Peace laureate Wangari Maathai calls “ethnic cleansing.” But were the pogroms prefigured by Kenya’s political elite long before the first ballot was cast?
2 - 01 - 2008
www.opendemocracy.net/article..._before_tribes
What is unfolding in Kenya may be anarchy but it has also been choreographed long before the first ballot was cast. Beyond picking its name from the Ukraine’s Orange Revolution movement, the ODM election strategy was overseen by Dick Morris, the disgraced political strategist once investigated for tax evasion in the US, and who was alleged to have been instrumental in fomenting revolution in Ukraine and Mexico.
Presenting Morris in Nairobi late last year, Odinga announced that the American would serve as his chief campaign strategist. He had to beat a retreat after local media exposed Morris as the Republican who moonlighted for the Bill Clinton campaign before being fired for allowing a prostitute to eavesdrop on his conversation with the former American president. That was the last that was heard publicly of Morris, although he is listed to have donated 165,000 Kenyan pounds to the ODM campaign kitty in pro-bono services.
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