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Saturday, August 27, 2005
 
Open Thread

Hopefully we are not threading over a cliff.


 
Open Thread

He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument. -- Billy Shakes


 
Not For Our Kind of People

Romney:

Gov. Mitt Romney, who has comforted the grieving loved ones of soldiers killed in Iraq and promoted National Guard recruitment, yesterday said he has not urged his own sons to enlist - and isn't sure whether they would.
The Herald posed the question as Romney - a potential 2008 White House contender and backer of President Bush's Iraq policy -was honored by the Massachusetts National Guard after he signed a bill extending pay for state workers on active duty.
``No, I have not urged my own children to enlist.I don't know the status of my childrens' potentially enlisting in the Guard and Reserve,`` Romney said, his voice tinged with anger.


And, no, I don't think Romney's kids are obligated to do anything because of what their dad does, but he was angered by the question? Sensitive people, these chickenhawks.

(thanks to dave)

 
Sacrifice

Today Bush called for sacrifice. But his supporters won't sacrifice anything.


favorite bit:

One thing you're missing the point on... there are some people..and you need to be more sensitive to it... there are some people here tonight that would like to serve our country, and would like to do it. But, for one reason or another they're unable to. You need to realize there are people out there who would do that, people right in this room. But they can't do it... you're not being sensitive to those people who do not have the opportunity to do that for one reason or another.


Hilarious.

 
Pajamas Media is Dead

Long live whatever the hell it becomes.

 
Open Thread

Because threads have feelings too.


 
More on the Bell Curve

From LG&M.

 
"More Sacrifice"

By whom?

"Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," he said.


asshole

 
Wanker of the Day

Andrew Sullivan:

One of my proudest moments in journalism was publishing an expanded extract of a chapter from "The Bell Curve" in the New Republic before anyone else dared touch it.


No one else?

When the New Republic devoted almost an entire issue (10/31/94) to a debate ...

The Bell Curve was accorded attention totally disproportionate to the merits of the book or the novelty of its thesis. The book and its dubious claims set the agenda for discussions on such public affairs programs as Nightline (10/21/94), the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour (10/28/94), the McLaughlin Group (10/21/94), Charlie Rose (11/3/94, 11/4/94), Think Tank (10/14/94), PrimeTime Live (10/27/94) and All Things Considered (10/28/94).

In addition to the above-mentioned New Republic issue, the "controversy" made the covers of Newsweek (10/24/94) and the New York Times Magazine (10/9/94), took up nearly a full op-ed page in the Wall Street Journal (10/10/94), and garnered a near-rave review from the New York Times Book Review (10/16/94; Extra! Update, 12/94).

Courageous courageous Andy. Covering a racist polemic when everyone else was covering it too.

(thanks to reader j)

 
Henceforth

The network formerly known as "Nice Polite Republicans" shall be called "Noxious Pudgy Republicans," after having Jonah Goldberg on to replace Daniel Schorr.

(thanks to pseudonymous in nc)

 
Stay Safe, NOLA

Let's hope Katrina isn't the New Orleans killer...

 
Uncontroversial

The Bell Curve always brings lots of people out who defend aspects of the book, though they're alwas quite weird. They sort of going round and round in circles without ever being clear on which "parts" of the book are worthy of defense, or what of interest we actually learn from those parts.

The only truly "uncontroversial" part of the book which was roughly correct and roughly meaningful was the shocking result that people who do well on tests designed to measure how capable you are tend to be capable people and do well in life. I'm shocked, just shocked.

The other sort of "uncontroversial" parts are, as Brad DeLong explains, utterly meaningless and don't support their conclusions.

All of that, of course, was just laying the "intellectual foundation" for the "controversial" parts. Which, as digby described awhile back. Part 1:

It’s true that the authors argued with wide eyed innocence that the book merely said that there are individual and group differences in intelligence and that these differences seriously influence the organization of work in modern industrial societies and that unfortunately they are pretty darned immutable, but golly gosh kerwillikers, that doesn't mean we all can't get along.

Nothing wrong with that, right? It’s just a little reminder that each individual should be judged on their own merits, and that's a good thing.

Unfortunately, the book also said some pretty strange things, even if you accept that IQ is the best indicator of future success and that IQ is immutable, which Herrnstein and Murray do, and even if you use their thoroughly discredited logistic regression analysis that assumes no IQ socioeconomic status interaction (when in fact, IQ and SES are highly intercorrelated) concluding that low IQ causes poverty. In other words, even if you take their completely flawed and discredited analysis at face value, when you get into the book (written btw for the lay reader -- no peer review) it isn't hard to see the real agenda.

In spite of all their studied concern about the “cognitive elite” and the danger to our society of all the smart people conspiring to keep out the odd and unusual smart poor person, we find that what they are really worried about is a supposed downward pressure on the distribution of IQ in the United States, which they call “dysgenic” pressure. They believe that blacks are experiencing much more severe dysgenic pressures than whites and speculate that part of the problem may be differences in reproductive strategies among the races. They blithely mention in passing a theory that blacks have the largest genitals and the highest frequency of sexual intercourse among the three major races but reserve judgment on whether that is relevant, saying that only time will tell.

(Who can really say what effects those huge black dicks have on those lil’ chocolate gals? It’s possible that once they set eyes one of those monsters they just can’t control themselves and those inferior genes just keep on gittin passed down. Better keep them large genitals away from the white wimmin!)



They also conclude that Latino immigration is putting downward pressure on the distribution of American national intelligence. They conclude, "Putting the pieces together--higher fertility and a faster generational cycle among the less intelligent and an immigrant population that is probably somewhat below the native-born average--the case is strong that something worth worrying about is happening to the cognitive capital of the country"

Oh lordy. Those wetbacks are bringing us down.


The authors believe that low birth weight and high infant mortality are probably caused by "prenatal negligence" on the part of stupid poor women rather than inadequate availability of medical care. They also trot out some unpublished research the relation between crime and low IQ, and between civility and high IQ. (I guess this shows which side of the bell curve the average dittohead falls on.)

They argue that America's “current fertility policy” subsidizes births among stupid poor women (most of whom happen to be black and latino) and, therefore, for the good of the country, welfare should be eliminated and policies should be put in place to lower the birth rate amongst these groups.

They also believe that our immigration policy is a danger to society because it assumes an indifference to the individual characteristics of immigrant groups.

But, they believe fervently in individualism. They say it over and over again. Once you deal with the birth rate of the oversexed blacks and close the borders to the dumb Mexicans that is.

And BTW: neither author ever conducted or published any research in scientific journals (which are subject to peer review) on the genetic basis of IQ and poverty in his entire career.


and part 2:

One can surely spend a lot of time refuting this nasty book in scientific terms --- it's as a rich target for scholarly ridicule as you can think of -- but common sense will tell you what the book is really all about just by reading the acknowledgements in which the authors declare they benefited especially from Richard Lynn's work and advice, a professor of psychology at the University of Ulster whom they describe as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences."

The esteemed professor Lynn, who helped the authors so much, has been quoted as saying, "What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the population of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of the 'phasing out' of such peoples.... Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent."

Now, one could overlook that and assume perhaps that the authors were merely using his "work" for their(seriously flawed) statistical analysis, but since the book comes to much the same conclusions, albeit in more politically correct terms, it's clear that they were kindred spirits.

I can't speak for other liberals, but when a book uncritically uses the work of someone who advocates the "phasing out" of certain races and then goes on to use a completely flawed statistical model (that fails to take into account socioeconomic status) to prove that certain races have lower IQ's due to their genetics, then I don't think it's unfair to say that it is a political work and not a scientific one.

It's not the liberals who were being "unfair" or "afraid" by rejecting the book out of hand, it was those who pretended that Murray and Herrnstein weren't cynically using the language of science (by treating g theory as "mystical," for instance)to "prove" to their lay readers that blacks and Mexicans were "problems" (and that those problems are immutable because of their race), so no matter what the government or others try to do, they are going to remain a problem unless we get them to stop breeding and immigrating. That is what the book concludes whether anybody wants to admit it or not.

I for one don't think it is "unfair" to reject that kind of racist garbage out of hand but neither am I afraid to discuss racial differences in IQ. But, here in the United States, particularly as it pertains to African-Americans and Mexican-Americans, a genetic definition of "race" is a useless and phony construct. Murray and his ilk apparently don't care to admit that the "blood" of both of these races has been mixed with European "blood" for so many centuries that it is virtually indistinguishable from his own. Whatever differences exist between the races in this country cannot be explained by genetics alone, a fact which The Bell Curve ignores with its dishonest analysis.

As with "Creationism," Steven J. Gould and others were obligated to refute the shoddy science on which the book is based and they demolished it. But, since the book is obviously a racist political document, I find it a bit absurd that in order to be "fair" liberals in general have to argue the underlying scientific conclusions when the political agenda is right up front and clear for all to see.

It is both a work of astonishing scientific dishonesty AND a racist tract. One needn't refute it's scientific conclusions to point out its political intent.


 
Operation Yellow Elephant: Campus Edition

All fine patriotic college students should get involved in this noble effort.

 
Plan B

Amanda's right. The only reason to oppose Plan B contraception is to control women's sexuality by making sure that as much as possible for other people sex has "consequences."

Sick bastards.

 
Open Thread

Because threads have feelings too.


 
Open Thread

Rarely is the question asked: is our children threading?



Friday, August 26, 2005
 
Open Thread

Words from the thread on which we string our experiences. --Aldous Huxley


 
Open Thread

Hopefully we are not threading over a cliff.


 
Friday Fun

Creepy.

 
Friday Cat Blogging

The stray duo are back:



And here are the lazy privileged cats:


 
Intolerance

Arthur tells us about one of the Right's favorite little rhetorical tricks. You see, calling them out on their misogyny, racism, and homophobia is just showing "intolerance." Whatever.

As for Sullivan and the Bell Curve, it is fully clear that he lacks the ability to comprehend any serious critique of the "science" of the book. But, more importantly, anyone who reads that book and doesn't see it for what it clearly is - racism dressed up in a pretty wrapper of pseudoscience - needs to have their detectors adjusted.

 
Fresh Thread

Enjoy.

 
Pony Trifecta

Another pony for Holden:

A new Gallup Poll reflects further erosion in President George W. Bush's job approval rating, continuing the slow but steady decline evident throughout the year so far. The poll -- conducted Aug. 22-25 -- puts Bush's job approval rating at 40% and his disapproval rating at 56%. Both are the most negative ratings of the Bush administration. Bush's previous low point in approval was 44% (July 25-28, 2005) and his previous high point in disapproval was 53% (June 24-26, 2005).




(thanks to hesiod)

 
"The Book Held Up"

As I always ask about Bell Curve proponents - bigots, fools, or both? If Andrew Sullivan truly believes that the Bell Curve "held up" as he claims, then he is a fool who is certainly not qualified to offer informed commentary on any issues of science or social science. He never responds to actual critiques of the book, but simply continues to simply stamp his feet and proudly proclaim his embrace of that racist tract and its authors, while declaring critics of their racist promotion industry as "intolerant." What can one conclude?

 
The Media You Have

Some people wonder why Somerby travels down memory lane so frequently. It's important work. The press we have now is the press that thought Clinton was "moral scum" for getting a blowjob and seem relatively unconcerned about being dragged into war on a lies. The complete lack of perspective by the guardians of our national discourse is made even more nauseating by their clear belief that it's all just an unimportant game. The almost sociopathic lack of empathy present in our media elite is truly frightening.

 
The Malkin Award

Apparently silly Sullivan needs to give one to himself.

 
Loftus

Loftus's little Fox News "mistake" reminded me of a couple of old stories. He's a strange one.

Fun Loftus moment #1 (warning, freeper link but just for the transcript at the top)


Fun Loftus moment #2.

 
Fafblog Interviews the Democrats

Amazing access.

 
Dukester Going Down

Aww:

Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham "demanded and received" a bribe from a Pentagon contractor who paid far above market value for the congressman's Del Mar-area home in 2003, according to court documents filed yesterday by federal prosecutors.

Without citing details, prosecutors said in the documents that Cunningham sold the house in return for his influence in Congress, where he serves on the House subcommittee that oversees Pentagon spending,

The allegation is the most specific and damaging that has been made public since a federal investigation was launched into the powerful Rancho Santa Fe Republican's dealings with defense contractors.



(thanks to reader h)

 
Gitmo America

The Rude Pundit.

 
Wankers of the Day

Southern Illinois University Daily Egyptian.

I'd like to know more about this story...

 
Domino Theory

Christ, are beltway pundits this stupid? Forget Vietnam, I'm old enough to remember Domino theory discussion about Latin America. It drove the Reagan administration's entire foreign policy. Uh, Nicaragua anyone?

...memories. 1983 Washington Post:

Defense Secretary Caspar W. Weinberger yesterday referred to the stakes in El Salvador's civil war in terms of global competition between the United States and Soviet Union, saying a communist victory in El Salvador could pressure the United States to pull out of Europe and Asia to defend its southern borders.

Weinberger, interviewed on "Face the Nation" (CBS, WDVM), also said that "there is no question" that with additional U.S. military aid, the Salvadoran army "can prevail" over the Marxist guerrillas.

If that happens, "we'll all be a lot safer than having another communist foothold such as Cuba right on the mainland," he added.

The defense secretary's comments came on the heels of President Reagan's request to Congress last week for an additional $110 million in military aid for El Salvador on the grounds that the conflict threatens U.S. national security.

Speaking yesterday on "Meet the Press" (NBC, WRC), Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, an announced candidate for the 1984 Democratic presidential nomination, said he would oppose further aid to El Salvador unless strict conditions are attached to it because it is not possible to "achieve democracy out of the barrel of guns."

Reagan's view that the Salvadoran conflict threatens the United States was endorsed by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John G. Tower (R-Tex.). On "This Week with David Brinkley" (ABC, WJLA), Tower said, "I think the domino theory could very well work in Central America. After all, it worked in Indochina."

Weinberger suggested several times yesterday that the Salvadoran civil war poses a threat to the United States' southern borders. "The simple fact is the El Salvadorans have chosen a government, and it is certainly very much against our interests to allow that freely choosen government to be subverted and turned into another very repressive regime that would be then much more in a position to make that kind of communist gain further north up toward Mexico and toward our own borders," he said.

"Their purpose is, as we see it," he said, "to attack the United States in . . . this incremental way, from the south, knowing that as they got closer that would mean that we would have to--or would at least have strong pressures formed--to pull ourselves out of Europe, and out of Japan and Korea, and establish some sort of a Fortress America concept, which would serve the Soviet purposes very well globally."

Even as he cast the threat in such terms, however, Weinberger ruled out more direct U.S. participation in the Salvadoran conflict. "What is essential is to solve this matter at the lowest possible level of participation and conflict by the United States," he said.

He said it is "vital" that Salvadoran troops be resupplied by the United States to match supplies received by guerrilla forces "every night" from Nicaragua, Cuba and the Soviet Union.

Weinberger said U.S. military aid to El Salvador will end when "the democratic effort that is going on in El Salvador is allowed to continue unimpeded and unhampered by adverse, communist-sponsored military activity. Now, I can't give you the hour or the day that's going to happen . . . . " But, he said, the administration "is trying to bring that day closer."

 
Ah, Eugenicists

I guess old racists never die. The BBC is reporting on shocking new "men smarter than women research" by one Richard Lynn.

Who's Lynn? FAIR gives us a sampling:

What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the population of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of the 'phasing out' of such peoples.... Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent. To think otherwise is mere sentimentality.

...

Who can doubt that the Caucasoids and the Mongoloids are the only two races that have made any significant contributions to civilization?

 
Open Thread

He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument. -- Billy Shakes


 
Open Thread

Better thread than dead.