RIP Ponders, you have a Heron, in your Pond.

To the shark who brought this mockery to a perfectly wonderful site,
(and continues to stay, while knowing full well-- that it contributes to
the group's destruction)--

YOU are undoubtedly, one of the most self-centered persons that I have
ever had the mis-fortune to come across, on the web.
If you knew a thing about Friendship and Individual Responsibility, you
would have left for the good of this group, so it could continue on in
peace.

To the rest of the "actual members":

Instead of tips and advice from a great group of people, I now get
mindless bantering, back and forth, from "Reel Dumb" and the group of
Trolls who followed her here..

I've tried very hard to keep still and have waited much too long
already, to see my Fav site, restored to it's former dignity --
I used to read here every single day and occasionally posted to ask for/
or give, advice about ponds. No More.

NOW, I'm no great loss--

But, there are so many people here, who have left, or seldom post, that
the place is more like attending a Wake, than the active, thriving,
informative group, that it once was.

RIP Ponders, you've had a Heron attack ! I will miss (almost) all of
you.

Bette, Ponder In Central Ohio

GW hates being called a "Lame Duck"
So lets just call him an "Ostrich"

$$ RIGHT! :-) Friends would *give in* to blackmailers and netstalkers.
Friends would admit something they didn't do, in writing, on Usenet -
opening themselves for lawsuits to please "friends" like you.

$$ Yes, this shark is responsible for the behavior of an obsessed fanatic
who cannot control his compulsions! The Shark is also responsible if you
get so upset with it all - you go off the deep end and harm someone. We
will blame the shark for your behavior. It will be HER FAULT.

$$ Of course! What would it cost YOU if I were sued by this religious
fanatic? Are YOU concerned about me? And you have the nerve to use the
word FRIEND? That is most self-centered *advice* that I have ever had the
mis-fortune to come across on the web in 9 years.

$$ If you knew anything about Friendship and individual responsibility you
wouldn't encourage a FRIED to give in to BLACKMAILER and net-stalker and
open themselves to a lawsuit - now would you? Is that how you treat your
FRIENDS? You people could have handled this obsessed fanatic like the
people on other NGs handled him and got rid of him long ago. Why didn't
you? Instead you and your "friends" went for *MY THROAT* - the easiest and
safest target. None of you had the GUTS to tell him to get lost like they
do on other NGs. You all did the complete opposite of what's needed to get
rid of obsessed trolls = you all FED HIM and fed him well. Now you're all
complaining and blaming me.

$$ Speaking of Reel Dumb (insults don't bother me so don't waste your
time) - only the *REALLY DUMB* can't use a killfile or tell by the subject
line what the threat/post is pertaining to. There is now a moderated Google
Pond group you can join if you pass the stringent qualifications. You will
be much happier there with people who encourage *friends* to incriminate
themselves rather than handle problem trolls like sensible adults.

$$ Then LEARN to use a KILLFILE and stop downloading the fanatics messages.
There is no law that you must read his garbage or anyone's posts you do not
like. Any 10 year old would have figured this out.

$$ All ruined because of a religious fanatic who flipped his cookies! I'm
not responsible for anyone's behavior but my own.

$$ And by posting this you just fed the TROLL the best meal he's had all
day. You can't seem to understand the more you feed him, the longer he'll
stay.

--
McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Just for an experiment, go away for a month or two, please? Take a vacation
from usenet, explore some web forum, or something.

-S

> Zod wrote: (I snipped his blather)
>Kid Icarus> wrote in message
>news:43221df7$0$72830$892e...@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...

Actually, "Zod", YOU are the one that starts these threads in
alt.privacy. Don't try to blame someone else, hypocrite.

In fact, looking back, you have started most of the off-topic threads
that have been cross-posted to alt.privacy. We don't care about you,
we don't care about "jabriol", we don't care about "Carol", or any of
your other obsessions. Please stop posting this crap to alt.privacy.

"J.P." <J...@P.com> wrote in message
news:7k41i15qoq58dvlc3...@4ax.com...
> On 8 Sep 2005 12:25:24 -0700, Z...@mailinator.com wrote: (I snipped his
> garbage)
>
> Someone here needs to get a life and it isn't me. :)
> Forget about her and move on to something constructive.
>
> J.P.
> Kill filter updated.

"Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote in message
news:20050908163...@localhost.localdomain...
> On 8 Sep 2005 12:50:35 -0700
> Z...@mailinator.com wrote:
>
>> That is correct. Now Jeff, or shall I call you JD?
>
> You can call me anything you want if it satiates your obsessive desire
> to see your personal goblins under every bed. Gald I could help. It's
> pathetic as hell that you'd have to pretend I'm someone else just to
> fool yourself into believing there's one less reader reader who thinks
> you're a flaming imbecile, but your opinion is about as significant as
> a pussy fart in a category 5, so fire away cupcake.

If you people reacted like those on other NGs, Mr. Santana would be long
gone. It's up to YOU all to stop feeding and encouraging him. Just tell
him off and let him know what you think of his obsessive-compulsive behavior
like everyone else does. No one on those other groups held ME responsible
for his behavior.

Now either SMARTEN up and do as other's do, or for your own sanity join a
moderated Pond Group.

CArol the coward standing behind annon remailers again.

of course, she has to do so to hide from the lawsuit. or maybe
she
hides because she don't want revealed how her husband, banged
son and
grand son in her own bed, while she was feeding her fish.
Unlike her I
have no need to hide behind a remailer, and if what I say is
not true,

they can come to camden and sue... if they survive the night.
did not know her husband was a Michael Jackson wanna be.

i have nothing to hide ,heres my address

Antinio L Santana~Candia
3072 Constitution Road
Camden N.J.
(856) 962-9003

From article
<1118690036.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"jabriol" ZOD <jab...@hotmail.com>

just write to her NSP accounts and direcpc.

dpc6682112001.direcpc.com

Oh, that just takes the cake. Idiot.

<plonk>
--
derek

Carol - hands...
--
derek

You too. I've had it with idiots who insist on blaming the victim.

<plonk>
--
derek

Derek, why or what is it you see, that the rest of us don't, that Carol
isn't part of the problem?

She won't follow her own advice to ignore the trolls, or even stop with the
constant regurgitation of telling us when her nym is stolen, or telling
someone the whole sad story. She won't even take a break and lurk for
awhile. You once told me *I* wasn't helping, I don't think your constant
support of her, when other long standing RPers finally let off some steam
in frustration, isn't either.

Way I see it, she's hoping to chase all of us off, so she can be the EXPERT
around here when the naive and new wander in and stay just long enough to
realize this is not the place to be. Then she'll wait for new prey, in
between spats with J*bb*rs. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

## Unless someone gets off topic here Jan I am ON TOPIC! I post about fish
and ponds.

## Not everyone turns like a wolf on others. You were the first one as I
recall who wanted me to compromise my principals and open myself to a
lawsuit to please this mentally unbalanced fanatic. Somehow you see nothing
wrong with that.

## They (and you) let the steam off on me knowing I would never net-stalk
and harass them - either here or by e-mail. They chose to attack the sheep
instead of the wolf they all fear. Sure Jan, "Take it out on Carol.
Jabriol will make us pay if we take it out on him." What a mentality the
people on this NG have! Of all the NGs this nut is infesting this is the
ONLY NG that is blaming me. I wonder why that is......

## Keep feeding the Troll and then complaining. You're going in a circle
biting your own tail. You took a dislike to me when I came back here. This
is "personal" with you and you took the opportunity to express your dislike
when Jabriol came along. He was your excuse. Every one of your *friends*
who keep criticizing me and blaming me are feeding the troll and he loves it
so why are you complaining? You're choosing to kill this NG yourself.

Maybe you and those who complained to my ISP when I changed my nym last
spring can get together and complain to Mr. Santana's ISP.

Not gonna happen.

I was reading this thread. And now you see why there is a need for you and
others to subscribe to the moderated group. Everything that I have wrote
about Carol is true. Please notice how Derek is plonking legitimate
ponders. The group is divided, and it will not be repaired.

I have also read Jabriol posts to Roy. And I am familiar JW\'s. Have
anyone ever asked Jabriol to leave? I can see why Roy did not ask. Carol
needs to be taught a lesson. You can not go around on usenet accusing
people of raping their underage daughter. I have a minor in psycology, and
I think that Carol was raped by either her own father, or abused by a
family member. Maybe she was the victim of domestic abuse. She is mentally
ill. And she projects her hatred to men with authority. She hates God,
because she thinks God did not protect her from being abused. Anal rape
from a family member is a traumatic experiance. So she accuse Jabriol of
the same crime commited against her. It very common with victims of abuse.

If the legit members acknowledge Jabriol\'s complaint as a valid one, and
admits to Carol\'s poor behaviour and conduct. Jabriol will leave. At the
same time every single member or the majority must never respond to
anything that Carol writes. Ignore her, regularly post an alert so that
newcomers (not the tectonese) to the list treat her in the same manner.

I think however, nobody will follow my suggestions, that being the case
your best bet is to subscribe to the moderated group.

What other choice do you have?

-Joe no longer the lurker-

*** Sent From/Enviado desde: http://groups.expo.st ***

## Yes, they see and yet they have not joined your moderated group.

## Why not? Look at how you're all behaving.

## No. Why should they when they fear he may take exception to them and
stalk and harass them.

## Why would he? Look at the profanity the man used here. That didn't
bother you - why not?

## No YOU need to be taught a lesson - this is a public unmoderated NG and
you feel a small elite clique should be in charge of it. The lesson for you
is you are NOT IN CONTROL here. Why stay?

## Which I never did - but you seem to believe Mr. Santana's accusations
that my husband and son are child-rapists is ok. Why is that? Mr. Santana
brought his personal problems, including his sex problems here to Usenet -
not me. There must be something wrong with you.

## How disgusting. For you to even suggest such a thing tells me your own
mother probably forced some form of sex upon you, leaving a rent in you
psyche. Or perhaps your own father or an older brother raped you leaving
you with the beliefs this goes on in all households. How sad. Normal
people don't think as you do. This is no doubt why you believe Jabriol is
in the right to accuse two strangers he knows nothing about, not even their
names or where they live, of child-rape.

## Since when does a minor in psychology qualify someone to diagnose mental
illness on Usenet - or even in a clinical setting? :-) However it's
obvious that you are somehow mentally defective for the accusations and
preoccupation with incest and sex you evidenced above.

## And you projects her hatred to women with authority.

## All this from posts on Usenet. You can't HATE what you know does not
exist. So much for your minor in psychology! LOL!!! You need to clean
your crystal ball.

## And I'm sorry you suffered it as it had to be traumatic for you,
especially if it was your mother who sexually abused you. You should have
gone for therapy afterward and you would not be preoccupied with SEX, just
like your friend Jabriol is, today.

## Where? Why don't you produce this post for us - and prove it came from
me. I want to see the ENTIRE post complete with headers. No one has seen
this post yet. You may have to contact my old ISP as Jabriol forges headers
as we all know. Now tell us why it's ok for him to accuse my husband and
son of child rape when he knows nothing about them? Explain the psychology
of why he would do such a thing and why you feel it's a fine thing to do.
Does this go back to your own father anally raping you or some form of
sexual abuse by your mother?

## And they also acknowledge Jabriols accusations against my family as
valid as well? Yet not one has called the police to report my husband and
son for child-rape?

## My poor behavior? Because I refused to let this well known sociopath
and net-stalker black mail me? I can see why no one joined your pond NG.
They can see what you are!

## Yeah,... lets PUNISH her! Lets help the blackmailer-stalker Jabriol by
also accusing her family of rape, incest and all manner of sexual
perversions - to hide our own sexual abuse and incest we're so ashamed of.
It's really sad that you need to do something like that to make yourself
feel superior.

## Why should they? You just revealed to the world what a sick individual
you are.

## I figured you were looking for members since only one person signed
up...... go get yourself some therapy Joe.

## They have the choice to do what all the other people on the other NG are
doing - either ignoring the TROLL or telling his to kiss off. This is the
only NG who acted the way you people are. I can see why Kelly, Tom and the
others left here over the years. This has become a place to judge people,
to control what's posted, to arm-chair psychoanalyze people, To drive them
off if you don't like them..... what a cesspool you made of this place.
All Mr.Santana did was act as a catalyst, nothing more.

## Keep lurking. No one needs to read about your nasty obsessions and
projections from past sexual abuse......

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Maybe we should insist that Jabriol Santana recant and apoligize
to Carol?

Kat

I understand her frustration - she's continually harassed by this guy, and
then people here blame her. Yes, she should ignore it more, but she is NOT
the problem, and I refuse to sit back and let people tell her to go away so
they can have more fun. Usenet is not a pretty place. People who think it
should be _should_ be using moderated web forums.

That's petty and completely unfair. Carol doesn't always agree with the
real experts (No, I don't mean me!) but she's never shown the delusions of
omnipotence I could ascribe to some other, now departed, regulars.
--
derek

"Kathy" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:ITU5RYXN3860...@anonymous.poster...

>===<>
snip a
>===<>
>===<>I can see why Roy did not ask.
>===<>
>===<>## Why would he? Look at the profanity the man used here. That didn't
>===<>bother you - why not?
snip

Ok so I may have used the word "bitch" get over it bitch.........or
show me where I have used much harsher words..With your lifestyle I
would have to belive a name as such would be a compliment!

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>

Hardly.

That's probably true, in both parts, but ...

Precisely.

Yes. It does no good, so I'd rather just ignore him. And Roy, who stirred
all this up in the first place, 9 months ago now.

Excuse me? I checked all this out _years_ ago, and there is no evidence on
the net that Carol ever accused him of such a thing. There _are_ posts
that he _claims_ are hers, but imo don't look legitimate. Then there are
scads of accusations _by_ him that she said it. Hearsay of the absolute
worst kind.

I was certainly right to plonk you. Thank God you don't have a major in
psychology.
--
derek

----- Original Message -----
From: "~Roy~" <inv...@invalid.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.talk.creationism,sci.anthropology.paleo,rec.ponds,alt.religi
on.jehovahs-
witn
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: sockpuppets and nym shifting

> Well you got the first staement correct Whiner Tom, you are indeed the
> whiner, and a first class whiner at that!
>
> Whats a matter can't you spell asshole........asshole? Oh I see you
> just want to be politically correct.....Must be a
> liberal...............
>
> I do not have to give you a reason or anyone else a reason to popst
> with what I use for a user name or email address. Its "ASSHOLES" like
> you that flip and I for one certainly would not want you knowing my
> address..........no go crawl back under your stone or up under your
> mommas apron and get a clue..........dumbass!
>
> BTW Ever hear of a killfilter? If not find out, if so, use it, or shut
> the hell up whiner!
> And while your at it, lear to count, you will see any posts I have
> made are few and far between as copmared to many posts made by
> others........so perhaps it was not as good an idea as you thought it
> was to quit school at age 6, as you never got your mathmatics figured
> out!

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In article <432434c8...@news.east.earthlink.net>
n...@home.now (Roy) wrote: On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:14:43 -0500,

ROY Jul 7, 6:31 am hide options

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From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:08 GMT
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Bite my FUCKING ass bitch.your about as sensible as a case of the
aides.......you and you alone brought this mess into the forum,
it
does not bother me one least bit, but I feel for some of the
others,
but as to you and Maxx especially after his emailos to me and
what he
wanted I htink you and MAxx both are reall
assholes.........Maybe I
need to post the emails to show folks what Maxx and you really
are..........I have laid low 99% of the time, but if you want to
drag
me back into it I can surely oblige..its your call bitch........

Jul 7, 8:27 am hide options

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From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:27:49 GMT
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Yet another little rat turd named Derek rolled out from under a
cardboard box and jumped up on the soap bax...........
Derek, you too are welcome to bite my ass just as soon as Maxx
and
Carol are finished......your about a jerk as well....When you
pay my
ISP bill you will be welcome to tell me what i need to do when
online,
so until then shut the hell up and go back in the corner and sit
down.................

Ask me if I give a rats ass if its legal or not to post
emails.......I'll do what I dam well please, now get in line and
bite
my ass jerk............

People HAVEN'T told her to go away, they've asked her to stop, they've
asked her to take a break, lurking is not leaving.

Not only will she not take friendly suggestions, but she then beats up the
ponder making the suggestion. Do they not have the same right to get
frustrated? No one gets stalked and harassed this bad without being part of
the problem. I can't believe she is a total innocent victim with the poison
she posts here when not discussing ponds. ~ jan

PS I don't consider myself a pond expert either, btw, I've met them, and
they ain't me... but I'm a work in progress. ;)

## No, Jan... you told me to give in to the trolls demands and apologize -
and rescind the rape nonsense. That took GALL! When I refused you and your
little entourage started shunning me like that would make a difference.
Lets not change history here.

## Like you BEAT me up for rejecting your suggestion to incriminate myself?
Friendly suggestions to *GIVE IN* to a blackmailer trying to force me off
Usenet? Why didn't you tell the nut to get lost like they do on other NGs?

## Yep,... here it comes - the old Blame-The-Victim game.

## What about YOUR poison Jan? Is your poison any sweeter? What did you
expect from me? Did you actually expect me to acquiesce to this sociopathic
stalker's demands to PLEASE you and open myself for a lawsuit? Odd how you
refuse to answer that question. Did you honestly expect me to say, "Oh yes
Jan,...Yes, yes, I'll tell him anything to please you" at your suggestion?

--

Thanks for taking the time to find these Ron, I truly appreciate your effort
and time spent....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then leave. You actually belive that by posting via traceble remailers
you going to get you friends back? They don't care you old bag. They
want you gone.

so sad. I agree with Joseph. She out of her mind.

>===<>Reel Mckoi wrote:
>===<>
>===<>> "pondmeister" <Joseph.M...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>===<>> news:3354e2ec1c330cd3bbfd329020e7f686$1...@groups.expo.st...
>===<>>>
>===<>>> I was reading this thread. And now you see why there is a need for you
>===<>>> and others to subscribe to the moderated group.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Yes, they see and yet they have not joined your moderated group.
>===<>>
>===<>> Everything that I have wrote
>===<>>> about Carol is true.
>===<>
>===<>Hardly.
>===<>
>===<>>> Please notice how Derek is plonking legitimate
>===<>>> ponders. The group is divided, and it will not be repaired.
>===<>
>===<>That's probably true, in both parts, but ...
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Why not? Look at how you're all behaving.
>===<>
>===<>Precisely.
>===<>>
>===<>>> I have also read Jabriol posts to Roy. And I am familiar JW\'s. Have
>===<>>> anyone ever asked Jabriol to leave?
>===<>
>===<>Yes. It does no good, so I'd rather just ignore him. And Roy, who stirred
>===<>all this up in the first place, 9 months ago now.
>===<>
I do not think so I merely replied to ap ost that was made in
Rec.ponds............not like Carols baggage did not follow her in to
rec.ponds before that either as it sure did........So get a FUCKING
clue derek, and there I said it again, god forbide but go fuck
yourself........I can easily jump in there with some of the others and
make yet more problems but no I have not, so say whayt the hell you
like, and carol is still a fucking bitch and can bite my ass after you
take your turn..After all I would hate to see such a stupendous in
thine onle eyes to you anyhow individual get a case of ain;t no
telling eating after carol so see I gave you a break big boy!

On 11 Sep 2005 16:40:43 -0000, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
(Ron) wrote:

>===<>You can't talk about a strangers background when you as much as
>===<>admitted you picked up cheap hookers in NY. You're nothing but
>===<>an old has~been male slut with the mouth of drug addict playing
>===<>holier than thou. Here's one of your posts you asked for
>===<>hypocrite.
>===<>
>===<>----- Original Message -----
>===<>From: "~Roy~" <inv...@invalid.net>
>===<>Newsgroups:
>===<>alt.talk.creationism,sci.anthropology.paleo,rec.ponds,alt.religi
>===<>on.jehovahs-
>===<>witn
>===<>Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:02 AM
>===<>Subject: Re: sockpuppets and nym shifting
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>> Well you got the first staement correct Whiner Tom, you are indeed the
>===<>> whiner, and a first class whiner at that!
>===<>>
>===<>> Whats a matter can't you spell asshole........asshole? Oh I see you
>===<>> just want to be politically correct.....Must be a
>===<>> liberal...............
>===<>>
>===<>> I do not have to give you a reason or anyone else a reason to popst
>===<>> with what I use for a user name or email address. Its "ASSHOLES" like
>===<>> you that flip and I for one certainly would not want you knowing my
>===<>> address..........no go crawl back under your stone or up under your
>===<>> mommas apron and get a clue..........dumbass!
>===<>>
>===<>> BTW Ever hear of a killfilter? If not find out, if so, use it, or shut
>===<>> the hell up whiner!
>===<>> And while your at it, lear to count, you will see any posts I have
>===<>> made are few and far between as copmared to many posts made by
>===<>> others........so perhaps it was not as good an idea as you thought it
>===<>> was to quit school at age 6, as you never got your mathmatics figured
>===<>> out!
>===<>> ==============================================
>===<>> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>===<>>
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>===<>In article <432434c8...@news.east.earthlink.net>
>===<>n...@home.now (Roy) wrote: On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:14:43 -0500,
>===<>"Reel Mckoi"
>===<><inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>===<>

>===<>here. That didn't
>===<>>===<>bother you - why not?
>===<>snip
>===<>
>===<>Ok so I may have used the word "bitch" get over it
>===<>bitch.........or
>===<>show me where I have used much harsher words..With your
>===<>lifestyle I
>===<>would have to belive a name as such would be a compliment!
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>==============================================
>===<>Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>===<>"The original frugal ponder"
>===<>~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>
>===<>

>===<>There's no problem finding all your profane messages. Google
>===<>aint your friend whoremonger, you're no stranger to profanity.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>ROY Jul 7, 6:31 am hide options
>===<>
>===<>Newsgroups: rec.ponds
>===<>From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
>===<>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:08 GMT
>===<>Local: Thurs, Jul 7 2005 6:31 am
>===<>Subject: Re: Roy: Carol geting help from Maxx
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>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Bite my FUCKING ass bitch.your about as sensible as a case of the
>===<>aides.......you and you alone brought this mess into the forum,
>===<>it
>===<>does not bother me one least bit, but I feel for some of the
>===<>others,
>===<>but as to you and Maxx especially after his emailos to me and
>===<>what he
>===<>wanted I htink you and MAxx both are reall
>===<>assholes.........Maybe I
>===<>need to post the emails to show folks what Maxx and you really
>===<>are..........I have laid low 99% of the time, but if you want to
>===<>drag
>===<>me back into it I can surely oblige..its your call bitch........
>===<>

>===<>~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>
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>===<>From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
>===<>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:27:49 GMT
>===<>Local: Thurs, Jul 7 2005 8:27 am
>===<>Subject: Re: Roy: Carol geting help from Maxx
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>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Yet another little rat turd named Derek rolled out from under a
>===<>cardboard box and jumped up on the soap bax...........
>===<>Derek, you too are welcome to bite my ass just as soon as Maxx
>===<>and
>===<>Carol are finished......your about a jerk as well....When you
>===<>pay my
>===<>ISP bill you will be welcome to tell me what i need to do when
>===<>online,
>===<>so until then shut the hell up and go back in the corner and sit
>===<>down.................
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Ask me if I give a rats ass if its legal or not to post
>===<>emails.......I'll do what I dam well please, now get in line and
>===<>bite
>===<>my ass jerk............

>===<>~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>
>===<>

That's not true.

Of course they do. As I said in another post, this is Usenet, and Usenet is
not pretty. Still, _you've_ stuck up for that disgusting foul-mouthed Roy
- who nym shifts worse than Carol and routinely posts abuse. So if people
are frustrated by J*****l's attacks, and consider Carol to be encouraging
him, they should just _ignore_ posters. Instead, they add to the noise by
complaining about it.

You're blaming the victim again. In fact, victims of stalkers, just like
victims of rapists, _rarely_ do anything to deserve it.

Me too...
--
derek

As do you by taking an unsupportable position of seeing nothing but a
pollyanna tint to Carol's proven postings.

Uh Derek, the "Carol as victim" story is entirely suspect, as is your and
Carol's definition of stalking to be replies to Usenet posts. It is Carol
that has gone "real life" on J, admitting calling the police in his hometown
and posting his alleged home address repeatedly. How does that fit in with
your theory of who's stalking who and who's the victim?

> Still, _you've_ stuck up for that disgusting foul-mouthed Roy

I don't remember sticking up for him. I do talk with him regarding ponds
and may have wished him a good luck taking her on. I don't encourage the
foul-mouth stuff, to my knowledge. Besides she *did* bring that on herself,
perhaps you don't remember the stuff she said to him, when he had to net
out dead game fish due to over stocking? And in that case I *did* stick up
for his reaction to her. And thinking back to that time, I now KNOW she is
no innocent victim. I don't say anything to Jabbers, I have him killfiled
as best I can, and he's not a ponding person. If he were to ask a pond
question, I'd answer if I could. ~ jan

Another nym shifter crawls out from under it's rock to add more
negativity to rec.ponds troubles.

snip
>===<>Of course they do. As I said in another post, this is Usenet, and Usenet is
>===<>not pretty. Still, _you've_ stuck up for that disgusting foul-mouthed Roy
>===<>- who nym shifts worse than Carol and routinely posts abuse.
snip some more bullshit by Derek

I have not nymshifted in quite some time, (until now)..........and
besides where does it not state that one can not use any user name
they desire.....and right now I have changed my name just to bypaass
any filters yu may have in place asshole. Another thing dumbass, your
think youy are the only one with an opinion that means anything, well
your wrong in all aspects of that thought.......Typical inuendos, and
accusations typical in usenet and other forums is to bring up curseing
or spelling or grammar when they do not have any other plausible bitch
to complain about....You pull my chain derek and I'll reply in
kind.......and up the ante a bit more to boot, so just how far do you
want to pursue this bullshit with your stupidity..........I can be
civil in my words and actions or I can be a real pain in the ass, it
all depends on what is said to me or what I am accused of........so
its all in your hands jerk, keep it up or let it slide, I am game for
whatever comes around, I can play the hand..........and you should
know there are more ways around filters than you can possibly think of
so if you want to keep it stirred, just keep up with your bullshit
attitude towrads me, or just ignore and I will too........its your
call

Nope, couldn't possibly be Carol because she's too stupid to use
remailers. Must be some rogue third-party jumping in.

People don't want to be messing with nor updating filters.
And another regular flew the coop, and they will keep leaving.
this is not a tech group. people switch on their pc, and let their pc
do the rest. They want a plce to talk about their ponds...

Not carol ego.

Maxx Pollare wrote:
> [posted and mailed]
>
>

An uninvited third party such as yourself?

Only those who psychotic episodes such as yourself and Mr.
Santana are allowed by ~jan and her cabal to nym-shift on
rec.ponds. All others will be reported to their ISPS post haste.

Please lets move on......... :-)

Well, you don't have proof because it's not true, but that has never
stopped you from repeating your lies until you believe them yourself.
And, replying to your own socks is kook-sign.

You could do that by speaking only of ponds and fish like you
continuously claim, but since you're a liar, of course that won't happen.

Yea yea yea, every poster who dissagrees with anyhting you have to
spout off about is a sock puppet and uses remailers etc etc etc..get
a freaking clue dipshit, your a looser and always will be a looser.
Now go take your aggitating shit stirring fat ass and go do something
worthwhile with meaning in your life,m like perhaps take a hike to
Dereks wild outdoors............ya both belong together.......as they
say,,two peas in a pod, or in his case two ice cubes in a ice cube
tray!

>===<>
>===<>"Kathy" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>===<>news:0BPNNOR638608.2362731481@reece.net.au...
>===<>> In article <MsOdne_cHOF...@giganews.com>
>===<>> "cat daddy" <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote:
>===<>>
>===<>> "Kathy" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
>===<>> news:2X6QJUE03860...@anonymous.poster...
>===<>>> >In article <aL2dnQjsP6Z...@giganews.com>
>===<>>> >"cat daddy" <furball@.myhouse.com> wrote: -- SLASH
>===<>>>
>===<>>>
>===<>>> Another nym shifter crawls out from under it's rock to add more
>===<>>> negativity to rec.ponds troubles.
>===<>>
>===<>>> > Nope, couldn't possibly be Carol because she's too stupid to use
>===<>>> > remailers. Must be some rogue third-party jumping in.
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>> An uninvited third party such as yourself?
>===<>==============================
>===<>This TROLL "cat daddy" has as many sock-puppets as his good friend
>===<>Jabriol-Zod. And this TROLL only comes out, like a cockroach, when he can
>===<>take a bite - then scurry back into his hole.
>===<>
>===<>Please lets move on......... :-)

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:24:17 GMT, n...@home.now (Roy) wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Hey Roy, you can go fuck yourself too....and then lick my ass, I could
>===<>give a flying fuck what yuou google up or google down, it matters not
>===<>to me. I am not afraid to own up to anything I posted anywhere
>===<>anytime................no go back in your room and take a prozac
>===<>before you stroke out after getting turned on by profanity!
>===<>On 11 Sep 2005 16:52:05 -0000, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
>===<>(Ron) wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>===<>There's no problem finding all your profane messages. Google
>===<>>===<>aint your friend whoremonger, you're no stranger to profanity.
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>

>===<>>===<>From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
>===<>>===<>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:08 GMT
>===<>>===<>Local: Thurs, Jul 7 2005 6:31 am
>===<>>===<>Subject: Re: Roy: Carol geting help from Maxx
>===<>>===<>Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show
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>===<>>===<>

>===<>>===<>aides.......you and you alone brought this mess into the forum,
>===<>>===<>it
>===<>>===<>does not bother me one least bit, but I feel for some of the
>===<>>===<>others,
>===<>>===<>but as to you and Maxx especially after his emailos to me and
>===<>>===<>what he
>===<>>===<>wanted I htink you and MAxx both are reall
>===<>>===<>assholes.........Maybe I
>===<>>===<>need to post the emails to show folks what Maxx and you really
>===<>>===<>are..........I have laid low 99% of the time, but if you want to
>===<>>===<>drag
>===<>>===<>me back into it I can surely oblige..its your call bitch........
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>==============================================
>===<>>===<>Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>===<>>===<>"The original frugal ponder"
>===<>>===<>~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>

>===<>>===<>Newsgroups: rec.ponds
>===<>>===<>From: donotbot...@me.now (Roy) - Find messages by this author
>===<>>===<>Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:27:49 GMT
>===<>>===<>Local: Thurs, Jul 7 2005 8:27 am
>===<>>===<>Subject: Re: Roy: Carol geting help from Maxx
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>===<>>===<>original | Report Abuse
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>

>===<>>===<>cardboard box and jumped up on the soap bax...........
>===<>>===<>Derek, you too are welcome to bite my ass just as soon as Maxx
>===<>>===<>and
>===<>>===<>Carol are finished......your about a jerk as well....When you
>===<>>===<>pay my
>===<>>===<>ISP bill you will be welcome to tell me what i need to do when
>===<>>===<>online,
>===<>>===<>so until then shut the hell up and go back in the corner and sit
>===<>>===<>down.................
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>

>===<>>===<>emails.......I'll do what I dam well please, now get in line and
>===<>>===<>bite
>===<>>===<>my ass jerk............
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>==============================================
>===<>>===<>Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>===<>>===<>"The original frugal ponder"
>===<>>===<>~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>

Well, Carol, you have a 10-1 post count against this little lie, and
that's not counting your remailer army. How odd that all your "supporters"
who share your twisted bias use remailers.

> > She won't follow her own advice to ignore the trolls, or even stop with
> > the
> > constant regurgitation of telling us when her nym is stolen, or telling
> > someone the whole sad story. She won't even take a break and lurk for
> > awhile. You once told me *I* wasn't helping, I don't think your constant
> > support of her,
>
> ## Not everyone turns like a wolf on others. You were the first one as I
> recall who wanted me to compromise my principals and open myself to a
> lawsuit to please this mentally unbalanced fanatic. Somehow you see
nothing
> wrong with that.
>
> when other long standing RPers finally let off some steam
> > in frustration, isn't either.
>
> ## They (and you) let the steam off on me knowing I would never net-stalk
> and harass them - either here or by e-mail. They chose to attack the
sheep
> instead of the wolf they all fear. Sure Jan, "Take it out on Carol.
> Jabriol will make us pay if we take it out on him." What a mentality the
> people on this NG have! Of all the NGs this nut is infesting this is the
> ONLY NG that is blaming me. I wonder why that is......
>
> > Way I see it, she's hoping to chase all of us off, so she can be the
> > EXPERT
> > around here when the naive and new wander in and stay just long enough
to
> > realize this is not the place to be. Then she'll wait for new prey, in
> > between spats with J*bb*rs. ~ jan
>
> ## Keep feeding the Troll and then complaining. You're going in a circle
> biting your own tail. You took a dislike to me when I came back here.
This
> is "personal" with you and you took the opportunity to express your
dislike
> when Jabriol came along. He was your excuse. Every one of your *friends*
> who keep criticizing me and blaming me are feeding the troll and he loves
it
> so why are you complaining? You're choosing to kill this NG yourself.
>
> Maybe you and those who complained to my ISP when I changed my nym last
> spring can get together and complain to Mr. Santana's ISP.
> --

Your boring repititious messages attacking this one poster are
totally off topic, extremely boring, inflammatory, self serving,
stinking of spite, juvenile, a complete waste of bandwidth and
you're trolling. Your quest to avange your friend Ingrid by
destroying this NG failed.

> To the shark who brought this mockery to a perfectly wonderful site,
> (and continues to stay, while knowing full well-- that it contributes to
> the group's destruction)--
>
> YOU are undoubtedly, one of the most self-centered persons that I have
> ever had the mis-fortune to come across, on the web.
> If you knew a thing about Friendship and Individual Responsibility, you
> would have left for the good of this group, so it could continue on in
> peace.

She not going to. It all about her!

>
> To the rest of the "actual members":
>
> Instead of tips and advice from a great group of people, I now get
> mindless bantering, back and forth, from "Reel Dumb" and the group of
> Trolls who followed her here..
>
> I've tried very hard to keep still and have waited much too long
> already, to see my Fav site, restored to it's former dignity --
> I used to read here every single day and occasionally posted to ask for/
> or give, advice about ponds. No More.
>
> NOW, I'm no great loss--

Well, we can all thanks Real Dumb for it!!!

>
> But, there are so many people here, who have left, or seldom post, that
> the place is more like attending a Wake, than the active, thriving,
> informative group, that it once was.
>
> RIP Ponders, you've had a Heron attack ! I will miss (almost) all of
> you.
>
> Bette, Ponder In Central Ohio
>
>
> GW hates being called a "Lame Duck"
> So lets just call him an "Ostrich"
>
You go Galfriend

Maybe she is catching on?

> $$ Yes, this shark is responsible for the behavior of an obsessed
> fanatic who cannot control his compulsions! The Shark is also
> responsible if you get so upset with it all - you go off the deep end
> and harm someone. We will blame the shark for your behavior. It will
> be HER FAULT.

Wellllllll.. there is this issue where you said that Jabriol raped his
13 year old daughter got her pregnant and dumped her on the street to
hightlight pedophila in the JW organization. You know, there are whacked
individuals out there. You just belive that you can publish what you
like on usenet?

TTTTTTTTTTTHHHHEN there the issue when Jabriol threaten you with a law
suit last April. you start twisting the events claiming that he threaten
to kill you, and start claiming that you call the police in his home
town; and encourage others to call the police as well. None of it true
of course, but you made the attempt. Of course HOTN dumped you for
impersonating the owner, and he took the law suit seriously as well.

OOOOOOOOONNNNNNN top of that, you constanstly post his address and phone
on the Net and including that of His children. You know If it was me,
you would have been dead already.

So yes it is your fault. Your obssesion with persecuting JW's because
they did not allow you to join, because of your immoral behaviour is
quite sickening.

> $$ Of course! What would it cost YOU if I were sued by this religious
> fanatic?

Do you fear a lawsuit? I wondere why.

> Are YOU concerned about me? And you have the nerve to use the
> word FRIEND? That is most self-centered *advice* that I have ever had
> the mis-fortune to come across on the web in 9 years.