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Whether or not witness #2 is credible... (none / 0) (#85)
by willisnewton on Sun May 27, 2012 at 03:38:11 PM EST
the prosecution still brought up the idea that there was a witness to a foot chase, during the bond hearing.  In fact, it was the very first thing they brought up after establishing the credentials of the investigator.  

This is what still makes me think the prosecution cares about the idea of a foot chase, or at minimum the idea that the "debris field" spread may be significant to them.  

All of GZ's surrogates describe a fight that doesn't include much or any movement from a standing, brief verbal exchange to suddenly and finally being on the ground.  

Here is a news reporter's description of RZ's story he heard from his son.  

George Zimmerman called police, and started "walking in the same general direction to see where the individual was going," and get an address for police.

At one point, he said, Trayvon approached him saying, `Do you have an f-ing problem?' George replied no and reached for his cell phone.

Trayvon "punched him in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete." Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him in the face, in his nose, hitting his head on the concrete."

Read more here: http://tinyurl.com/c4zlmho

Jeralyn has a thread about this interview by FOX 35's Valerie Boey with RZ, but the embedded link to the video interview on local TV is no longer working.  

this link seems active at present.
http://tinyurl.com/d7afdyr

here is my own transcription of the relevant part of the interview:


RZ: ..he lost sight of the individual, he continued to walk down the same sidewalk, uh, to the next street, so he could get an address for the police, he went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking back to his vehicle.  It's my understanding that at that point Trayvon Martin walked up to him, asked him do you have a (expletive deleted) problem? George said "no, I don't have a problem" and started to reach for his cell phone.   At that point, he was punched in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete. Trayvon Martin got on top of him.. etc"

(italics are mine)

Robert Zimmerman was present for the videotaped walk thru, and presumably has talked with his son at length about where the fight occurred and how it progressed.  To my ears, he's describing a path GZ took on the cut thru to RVC and back, never one the ventures onto the dog walk N-S path, since that would not be "walking back to his vehicle."  

RZ also says specifically that TM saw the weapon during the struggle, causing him to give a death threat to GZ, and then continued to hit GZ.  He never says TM tried to reach for the weapon, which struck me as odd the first time I heard and still does.  Instead, RZ says TM saw the weapon, gave the death threat, then "continued to beat George..." until he was shot by GZ.  

RZ also does not believe TM was on the phone with anyone at the time, since the news of this call came so long after the killing.  Listen to the interview for his thoughts regarding this matter.  

It's my understanding that RZ could be called as a witness and asked about his conversations with his son since there is no attorney-client relationship, nor is there a parent-child immunity law in Florida.  IANAL,  however.  

Again I remind myself that GZ's statements to Sanford PD Investigators are not yet in the public realm, nor is it likely they will be soon.

We'll have to wait and see what GZ's own version is, and also if there is any good way for the prosecution to make anything of an idea of a fight that included a foot chase, running man, or spread of evidence leading south of the cut thru path the distance it does.   Like I have said, it seems thin.  (If I were a prosecutor, I'd hate to go to trial with someone like W-2 as my star witness.)  But they haven't let it go, AFAICT.  

I have not seen or heard all of what has been released from W-2, and neither can I tell from Jeralyn's synopsis if W-2 ever backed off of seeing at least one figure running in her final interview.  

For all we know, W2 saw TM run up to GZ and instigate a fight.  But again, that doesn't fit what any of GZ's surrogates are describing as his version of events.  

BTW, when she is asked "towards the T or towards the street" (paraphrased?) I think this means North or South, since at the extreme southern end of the dog walk is a street.  

(Are the kitchens upstairs in these units?)


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