Anti Troll FAQ

To continue reading, link is below:

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

I thought it best to post this, since there has been considerable troll
activity on c.o.l.advocacy lately.

As you read, you may begin to recognise certain tactics and patterns
provided by the trolls. I could readily identify most of the troll
activity here according to the habits described.

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HPT

Surely, you are mistaken?
I read that, and I couldn't see anything that I recognise.
Try the following snippets, and then try to kid me that I'm wrong:-

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The old definition of a Troll is one who posts to generate
the maximum number of follow ups.

Subject: 3.3 The destructive Troll
In about the year 1999 a new breed of Troll appeared who
have the declared intention of destroying a specific Target
newsgroup. This is done by a variety of posts, (see
Section 4) intended to drive normal posters away from the
specific newsgroup.
When the percentage of Troll posts, including followups
exceeds about 75% of the total posts, most readers seem to
just give up and unsubscribe.

Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals.

Subject: 3.5 The evil and illegal Troll
If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they also forge posts in
that persons name and internet address and libel them on
usenet. Both these are illegal.

Subject: 4.2 The crosspost Troll
This is perhaps the most effective Troll in that it
produces large numbers of posts with little effort from the
Troll.

Subject: 4.4 General nastiness
The Target newsgroup is flooded with nastiness, name
calling and swearing, and flame wars, mostly between
themselves. This can be a great off put to new
subscribers.

Subject: 4.5 Personal attacks on individuals and groups.
Selected individuals are subjected to quite vicious
personal attacks throughout usenet.
As will be seen several of these are libelous, and
thus illegal

Subject: 4.6 Forgeries
They regularly forge the identities of posters who they do
not like. This can vary from badly spelled versions of
their name and/or email address, to forgeries which the
average reader would not be able to detect.

Subject: 4.7 Setting X-No-Archive: Yes
There are several usenet archive sites where posts are kept
for ever. If one is doing something underhand, illegal, or
very nasty, it is an advantage to do the dirty deed, create
mayhem, and then let all evidence disappear when the servers
delete the posts when they are 7 days old or whatever limit
is set on that server.
When combined with other practises in this section X-
No-Archive: Yes can be particularly damaging.
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Blimey - I'm glad we don't have any of all that here!

:-)

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false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

> <snip />

Personally, I always go by the definition once provided by Wikipedia. The
definition changes (or evolves) constantly, like symshifting. Here is how it
stands at present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

,----[ Overvie ]
| In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an
| established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts
| inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed
| intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or
| disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of
| calling others trolls.
`----

This pretty much describes the behaviour embraced, too. The previous
definition (as I once saw it) was more succinct and punctual. Anything that
/upsets/ (to use the word that stood out) the participants can be viewed as
an act of trolling. It's community vandalism.

Best wishes,

Roy

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:-)

Seriously, Roy:-

That is most likely true?
Certainly I sense that it is, and I reckon that Our Friends sense it too.
Previously, I had thought that the only way was to persuade people *not* to
respond to trolls.
Roy S. has shown us the other way - for a better signal to noise ratio, if
you can't cut down the noise, put *up* the signal!
Now you see why they hate him....:-)

If someone makes a post that upsets the participant, but it was not the
intent of the poster to upset anyone, is it still an act of trolling? And is
that poster considered a troll?

The base question is, how big a role does intent play into this, and
philosophically, how do you measure intent, or pragmatically, how can you
measure your own confidence in guessing someone else's intent?

- Oliver

Why does a certain ".p.jm" from reeky come to mind?

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http://members.shaw.ca/bobbie4/index.htm

email Bobbie @ bobbie4R...@shaw.ca
remember to 'remove this'

Bobbie recently switched to Ubuntu 6.
Why? Cause he can, that's why.

That's a very good point. I didn't think about it. Especially in textual
forums, there is often place for ambiguity, which could offend someone.

When it recurs dozens or hundreds or time (despite warnings and evidence
through reactions), then it's rather transparent. The troll soon meets all
criteria.

No, it is in reference to deliberate, willful, intentional act.

????

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HPT

I haven't paid much attention to .p.jm. Classic example is Henry Hanstein
and his posts on the war in Iraq, which has nothing to do with motorcycling
and is not within interest of most of the posting community. He and a few
other off-topic posters like arminius is the reason why I no longer
frequent rec.motorcycles.

A good example of a truly off-topic poster is deuteros, who has crossposted
COLA with 8 other NG's. Like Henry, he uses crossposts to increase the
number of responses. In new thread subject "State uses Patriot Act to view
private Facebook profiles" dated 18 July 2006, he crossposted to
alt.politics.usa.republican, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.abortion,
alt.world, alt.politics.libertarian, alt.atheism, comp.os.linux.advocacy,
talk.politics.guns and us.military.army.

This has nothing to do with advocacy or even computers in general.

--
HPT

<SNIP>

> The bottom line is, intent never factors into it at all.
>
> Post a "I had problems with Linux" message and you will kick off the
> feeding frenzy.
>
> Post a "I love Linux" message and no matter what you say, no matter how
> many false conclusions you have reached, no matter how little proof you
> have given to back up your statements, you will be accepted into the fold
> and the "atta boy" posts will flood like honey from a hive.
>
> That's COLA in a NUTshell.

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

--
HPT

I agree with you. The Roy S. affect has been quite amazing. Erik is
just utterly pathetic and reduced to a laughing stock.

I disagree. Erik was *already* utterly pathetic and a laughing stock.
What he's turned into (thanks to Roy) is a whiny, sniveling crybaby in
a gaggle of whiny sniveling crybaby trolls.

These days he can't get a (FUD) word in edgewise most of the time.
Every time he manages get anything at all in, it's usually another page
from his Personal Vendetta Handbook, Chapter Roy.

--
Windows: In what position would you like to be taken today?

COMING SOON to a newsgroup near you:

E for Vendetta

In this movie the premise is that 'E' tries to discredit the OSS community
in order to win favour with his handlers back at the mother ship Microsoft.
To help in his endeavours are his two trusty sidekicks DFS and
++flatfish.

Wrong Thumper girl.
The reason you don't post to rec.motorcycles anymore is because we
drummed you out of the group for being a bone smoking faggot. It was
bad enough when you started looking for riding buddies, but when you
started emailing people asking them if they were tops or bottoms it got
to be too much.
The short of it is you were run out of rec.motorcycles for being a bone
smoking homosexual. Kinda gives a hole new meaning to the term thumper
now doesn't it.
It has nothing to do with small engines now does it thumper?

So you're a bottom, then.

Cross post crap fixed.

Oh no HPT !!, the big bad man used sexual slurs while hiding behind a
yahoo account.

Definately a bitch

> I dunno, but anyone with a moniker like "High Plains Thumper" has got to
> pique a person's curiosity.
>
> High Plains Drifter was Clint Eastwood.
> Clint is kool.
>
> High Plains Thumper?
>
> Sounds like a *poof* to me.

Yeah flatty you'd know all about *poofters* wouldn't you.

A thumper is not a small engine! It is a motorcycle engine with a large
single cylinder, usually 650 CC.
Klaus

As it happens, we have several openly gay contributers to Reeky. Everybody
knows. Nobody cares.

Grow up.

Why the HELL is this xposted to t.o. anyway?

My guess is that it's the Jabbertroll trying to stir things up.

Ignore him.

Chris

Ah, a classic specimen for the Anti Troll Laboratory. Let us dig into this
cadaver.

During autopsy, see the crossposts?

> comp.os.linux.advocacy, rec.motorcycles, alt.religion.christian-teen,
> talk.origins

Time to break out the medical references:

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

> Subject: 4.2 The crosspost Troll
>
> This is perhaps the most effective Troll in that it
> produces large numbers of posts with little effort from the
> Troll. An inflammatory post is made to a group of Sub
> Target newsgroups, say cooking, politics or guns. The
> Target Newsgroup is included in the ng list. The innocent
> posters to the Sub Target newsgroup continue to discuss
> this in the normal way without noticing that the posts are
> also going to the Target Newsgroup.

Digging further into the head(er):

> NNTP-Posting-Host: darwin
> X-Trace: darwin.ediacara.org 1153802135 95870 128.100.83.246 (25 Jul 2006
> 04:35:35 GMT)

Follow this bit of decaying brain matter:

http://www.ediacara.org/fac03.html

We find the following interesting signs:

> University of Ediacara
> The Virtual University's Virtual Home

> Chair University Sexual Discrimination Committee.
> Applied interspecific lateral transfer of feline behavioral
> characteristics - "look what the cat dragged in" syndrome.

Yep, a truthful statement if I ever saw one, observe, "look what the cat
dragged in".

Tracing IP 128.100.83.246, PTR record: mungo.med.utoronto.ca.

Ah, cadaver and University of Toronto have something in common.

Perhaps not, addy may be spoofed to lead one to think it is Toronto.
However, that would imply a deeper sense of intelligence, which apparently
this cadaver did not have, as evidenced by the use of virtual instead of a
real university. As some would say, "Dumb as a stump".

Hmm, perhaps a relationship with next paragraph?

> Subject: 3.6 How they are organised
>
> They use private listservers to communicate between
> themselves. An archive of one such listserver is at
> http://www.uklocaltrolls.fs2.com. For less important
> communications, they use Troll Communications newsgroup(s).
>
> The listserver must have an owner(s) who can approve or
> deny access. Other than that anarchy reigns where each
> member does what he/she thinks fit. Thus because no leader
> or committee exists coordination with the group is
> impossible. Any agreement reached with one or more can
> instantly be abrogated by others.
>
> Coordinated action can occur where it forwards their
> general aims.

Let's now examine the body. We see:

> "girl", bone smoking faggot", "tops or bottoms", "bone smoking
> homosexual", and a fantasy with the term "thumper".

According to the medical journal:

> Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
>
> If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
> troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
> nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
> name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
> homosexuals.

> Subject: 4.5 Personal attacks on individuals and groups.
>
> Selected individuals are subjected to quite vicious
> personal attacks throughout usenet. Examples are: "fucks
> animals!" "is a cannibal" "is a hermaphrodite!" "is a
> molester of boys" "in panties gets fucked up the arse" "is
> a Nazi!" "is a cocksucking queer" "is a hermaphrodite just
> like Maryanne Kehoe" "molests boys on American Airlines"
> "Sexually harassed by" "is an anthrax pervert" "AT GAY
> PARTY" "sucks his father's cock" "is a pervert" "hated
> wherever he goes!" "White Racist" "Usenet spammer!" "Usenet
> k00k!" "I hope you die SOON".

Oh, silly me. I smell fish. However with a dead, non-speaking corpse, it
will be a hard tell. Dead morons don't talk.

--
HPT

FSVO "help". :-)

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Windows Vista. Because it's time to refresh your hardware. Trust us.

Homophobic prick. How much lower are you going to sink, flatty, and still
whine about how bad *we* all are?

--
Kier

It's generally clear when you see repeated behaviour. Most people will
accept one or two mistakes, but when someone has been repeatedly
corrected and continues to show the same behaviour, then it's clear that
it's intentional, thus they are a troll.

Exactement!

--
| Mark Kent -- mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
What no spouse of a writer can ever understand is that a writer is working
when he's staring out the window.

... DFS and flatfish and 100 nyms...

Get lost.

--

"Of course, you'll have the good taste not to mention that I posted this."

Thumper

"I don't want a pickle..."
http://www.thumpers-brithouse.com

2004 H-D Road King Classic
2002 BMW R1150RT "Kit"
1996 Honda Shadow VLR 600
1978 Triumph Bonneville
1975 Triumph Trident
1974 Norton Interstate
1969 BSA Red Rocket III
1962 Triumph Tiger Cub
1958 BSA Super Bantam COCK
1954 Velocette MAC

> Get lost.

?

> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:45:58 +0900, High Plains Thumper
> <h...@singlecylinderbikes.com> wrote:
>
>>> Anti Troll FAQ.
>>>
>>>
>>> Subtitled
>>> What is a troll,
>
> Someone that doesan't believe your lies no matter how many times
> nor how adamantly you tell them.
>
>>> what do they do,
>
> Advocate something different than you.
>
>>> why do they do it,
>
> They are tired of hearing and seeing your lies go un-challenged.
>
>>> and what can one do about them?
>
> Turn off your computer and go play with your Barbie dolls.
>
>>> how can you be happy again
>
> Stop lieing to yourself and everyone else, make a clean breast of it
> and move back to a non-hobbyist OS.
>
>>> what can you do about the stains on your carpet
>
> Leave your boring Lienox terminal more often.
> Nothing's going to happen there anyway.

Blimey! A troll replying to an anti-troll article!

--
HPT

--
HPT

*LMAO*

> Aunty Diluvian wrote:

Snip>

Although that troll can't spell worth a shit, he's right about nothing
happening & being boring! After all, we *linux users* don't have
to constantly be on the lookout for malware, spyware etc, we don't have to
worry about our browsers being hijacked, nor do we have to keep defragging
our hard drives to keep the OS running smoothly, we don't have to worry
about any sudden reboots because our OS decided to update itself.

Who'd a thunk it, a wintroll advocating linux! <grin>

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emanate from somewhere between the chair and the PC.
Either the person cannot read, doesn't understand
what they read, or they can't be bothered.