David Aaronovitch
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It amuses me that some of those who criticise the present US Administration for its Manichaeism - its division of the world into good and evil - themselves allocate all past badness to Bush and all prospective goodness to Obama. As the ever-improving myth has it, on the morning of September 12, 2001, George W. and America enjoyed the sympathy of the world. This comradeship was destroyed, in a uniquely cavalier (or should we say cowboyish) fashion, through the belligerence, the carelessness, the ideological fixity and the rapacity of that amorphous and useful category of American flawed thinker, the neoconservative. They just threw it away.
But there isn't anything that can't be fixed with a sprinkling of genuine fairy dust. What Bush lost, Obama can find. Where the Texan swaggered, the Chicagoan can glide. Emotional literacy will replace flat iteration, persuasion will supplant force as the preferred means of achieving what needs to be achieved, empathy will trump narcissism. Those who hate America may find their antipathy waning, those who were alarmed by unilateralism will warm to softer, moral leadership. A new dawn will break, will it not?
Some on the Left are getting their count-me-outs in already, realising that Mr Obama is, after all, a big-game hunter, a full-trousered American candidate. They, I think, are more realistic than those who manage on one day to laud the Democrat as not being a real politician, and on the next to praise him for his sensible left-trimming when seeking the party's nomination and his equally sensible centre-hugging once it was in the bag. I say the antis are more realistic because, eventually, we will hate or ridicule Mr Obama too - provided, of course, that he is elected and serves two full terms.
George W.Bush, of course, represents a particular kind of offence to European sensibilities. He blew out Kyoto, instead of pretending to care about it and then not implementing it, which is what our hypocrisies require. He took no exquisite pains to make us feel consulted. He invaded Iraq in the name of freedom and then somehow allowed torturers to photograph each other in the fallen dictator's house of tortures. He is not going to run Franklin Roosevelt a close race for nomination as the second greatest president of the US.
But even if he had been a half-Chinese ballet-loving Francophone, he would have been hated by some who should have loved him, for there isn't an American president since Eisenhower who hasn't ended up, at some point or other, being depicted by the world's cartoonists as a cowboy astride a phallic missile. It happened to Bill Clinton when he bombed Iraq; it will happen to Mr Obama when his reinforced forces in Afghanistan or Pakistan mistake a meeting of tribal elders for an unwise gathering of Taleban and al-Qaeda. Then the new president (or, if McCain, the old president) will be the target of that mandarin Anglo-French conceit that our superior colonialism somehow gives us the standing to critique the Yank's naive and inferior imperialism.
Often those who express their tiresome anti-Americanism will suggest, as do some of the more disingenuous anti-Zionists with regard to anti-Semitism - that they, of course, are not anti-American, and that no one really is. But, coming as I do from an Anti-American tradition that wasn't afraid to proclaim itself, I think I know where the corpses are interred. For example, the current production of Bernstein's Candide at the English National Opera is a classic of elite anti-Americanism, in which we are invited to laugh at the philistine invocation of “Democracy, the American Way and McDonald's”. The laughter that accompanied this feeble satire showed our proper understanding that we, the audience, had a proper concept of democracy, and would never soil ourselves with an Egg McMuffin.
The true irony went way above the sniggerers' heads, which was that Leonard Bernstein was the American cultural import that we were, at that very moment, enjoying. But the prejudice is that American culture has had a negative influence on the world, tabloidising our journalism, subverting the gentle land of Ealing with the violent pleasures of Die Hard 10 and commercialising our most intimate lives. And so we have ever complained; my father, back in the early Fifties, once wrote an entire communist pamphlet about the terrible effect of Hollywood and jazz on the land of Shakespeare and Elgar.
This week you could hear the author Andrew O'Hagan on Radio 4, reading from his collection of self-conscious essays, The Atlantic Ocean, in which - despite his own claims - every impact of American life on Britain is somehow configured negatively. He writes of an exported popular culture “born in the suburbs of America” and defined as “Spite as entertainment. Shouting as argument. Dysfunction as normality. Desires as rights. Shopping as democracy.” This in the country that has sent Big Brother, Pop Idol, Wife Swap and Location, Location, Location over the Atlantic in the other direction, while taking delivery of Curb Your Enthusiasm and The Wire.
I should admit that I am irked by O'Hagan's dismissal of the “idiots who supported that bad and stupid war (ie, Iraq)” and am willing to match my idiocy against his intelligence in any debating forum that he cares to name. More interesting, though, is the desire to blame America. For all that O'Hagan claims that the US has lost its purchase on the world's affections, it remains the chosen destination for the most ambitious of the planet's migrants. For all that he claims that this change in sentiment is recent, I can't help recalling those - the most honest - who commented, in journals he writes for and on the very day after September 11, that the Americans had had it coming.
In part I think that anti-Americanism is linked to a view of change as decline. The imagination is that dynamic capitalism, associated with the US, is destroying our authentic lives, with our own partly willing connivance. It is a continuing and - at the moment - constant narrative, uniting left and right conservatives, which will usually take in the 19th- century radical journalist William Cobbett (conveniently shorn of his anti-Semitism), and end with an expression of disgust over the Dome, the Olympics or Tesco. Just as bird flu is a disease from out of the East, runaway modernity is a scourge originating to the West.
So Barack Obama, en fête around the world, will one day learn that there is no magical cure for the envy of others. What makes America the indispensable power (and even more indispensable in the era of the new China), is precisely what makes anti-Americanism inevitable.
Europe does not hate the USA - yet. But wait till Wall Street crashes lands on our heads
ben trovato , cape town ,
I am unashamedly pro-America! If America ever decided to turn its back on Europe [and the rest of the ingrates] who would we turn to? The U.N? or could we rely on the rest of our European "comrades" to back us-just look what happened in the Balkans. The British people do not hate America!
Margaret, near Preston, U.K.
While I may disagree with some of the details/facts, there's no question that the author makes a point here. Nobody takes the time to hate the Premier League team that isn't contending Man. U and Chelsea...why bother? Sadly, that same mindset bleeds into the world's hatred for America.
Kyle Falce, Lynchburg, VA, USA
What inflames many of us to make anti American comments is that country's blind support of Israel.
Israel is guilty of stealing and hanging onto its neighbours' lands, mistreating the Palestinian population, stealing sub soil water resources and imprisioning people who have the guts to fight back.
George Hamstead, Doncaster, England
>>Europe is socialist. America isn't. That's the difference.
Jill, Cleveland, GA, USA<<
I've got two names for you: Fanny Mae + Freddy Mac;
Now, go and check your reason...
Sven, Germany, Europe
This article reads like a college thesis paper. Looks like the author was using it as an opportunity to use words like "fixity" and "amorphous". Tone it down will you? The news isn't supposed to put you to sleep.
Jeff, Sacramento, CA, USA
Fair point Will,
However britain was invaded. Ask the the people of the Channel Islands.
Nigel, Brighton, Uk
"..... FDR's big government monster baby still sucks at the increasingly emaciated taxpayer's expense."
Karen , Seattle, Washington, USA
It's war profiteering and corporate welfare that are draining the taxpayers. Is big government the problem or capitalism?
Go Hugo!!
Jeri, Charleston WV, USA
As a young student from a poor family, I see the faults of my country, but I love it for opportunities I have. The US is so diverse, can anyone put us all in 1 category? I dont feel bad or apologetic for where I'm from,but wish I can be in France & not despised and ignored for my imperfect french.
Marissa, near Detroit, MI, US
when americans talk about saving europes bacon, please distinguish between europe and britain. Britian fought, we fough in africa, asia and europe, we fought alone for nearly 2 years. we were never invaded. remember not 1 bomb fell on mainland US, britain was a building site for 20 years afterwards.
will, Grimsby, uk
Kill em all, eh, Frank!! That's the spirt.............
So it has occurred to someone else that a proportion of contributors to these threads are just playing Devil's Advocate in an attempt to wind up some rednecks ........................
Esther, London,
His opinions are as wrong as his facts: Big Brother started out as a Dutch programme; the UK did not export it to his beloved America. Might as well say the US gave us McDonald's and Europe gave Michelangelo, Milton, Mozart, Matisse, Machiavelli, erm Mussolini... Well, you get the point anyway.
Nick Mayhew, London, UK
But there is no match for a united America, a determined America, an angry America. Our outrage against [insert any term] unites us, brings us together behind this one plan of action, an assault on every front.
Frank, Hicksville, USA
Oh no, no that one again, I Keller. As a Brit who does NOT dislike Americans in general but just some, same as I dislike some Brits, I am sick of hearing this one. How about;- if it hadn't have taken you 2 years to find the extinguisher, then there wouldn't have been so many burning chestnuts?
Carol, Leicester, UK
Theresa Klein. I will always remember what I was doing on that day and how our whole office stopped work when we saw it on the web. There will always be stupid, ignorant people who says such things and both the UK and US have these sorts of people. Just read some of the anti Brit comments below.
Carol, Leicester, UK
"Brits hate America" attitude = boring . No intellect there, just irrational distrust and fear, fomenting HATE.
I can't stand GWB, OR McCain, and don't trust Obama as far as I can throw him, but I don't hate America.
Similarly, I hate Blair/Brown policies, but don't hate the UK or it's citizens.
A. Eaton, Pacific Grove, USA
Corruption is endemic in every country on earth, in every political system. America is, of course, included. All countries are full of stupid, small-minded people. I don't understand completely what America's distinction is in all of this. Comparitively, we are doing pretty well. As is Europe.
Stephen , Tennesee, USA
The war on terror can't be fought in Iraq!
John, London,
It's easier than fighting it in Afganistan. Ask the Russians.
As a side note. Obama spoke of the US standing with the Germans and not retreating during the Cold War, why is he so afraid to stand with the Iraqis and not retreat now?
Chris, Birmingham, AL, USA
l will never forget the "US had it coming" comments on Sept. 12, 2001.
And neither will most Americans.
Make of that what you will.
Theresa Klein, Tucson, USA
Morgan - maybe Mr Obama will be sufficiently surprised to learn he's from Detroit?
Angela , London,
Excellent article. Best appreciated by those who have lived or visited extensively in the US and Europe. Otherwise, it's hard to take seriously some of the posted comments. It's common here for posters to write as though they're speaking for all in the US when they've never been out of NYC or CA.
Mike Quinnelly, Winchester, VA, USA
I like Obama but he comes from dirty Detroit politics. Get ready for an "October surprise" I think the republicans have something on him and are waiting to spring it
morgan, San Diego, USA
I am reminded of the statement about American GIs which was popular in England during WWII, that the problem with Americans was that they were "over-sexed, overpaid, and over here." Next time you can ask the Frenchies, if they're not all Muslims by then, to pull your chestnuts out of the fire.
I. Keller, New York City, USA
Somewhere down the line the American distrust of authority turned into a submissive acceptance.
Tom, Dallas, USA
David Bennett:
Europe's closer to Russia than the US? Might wanna look at an atlas at some point in your life. Russia's quite big you know, so big it practically bumps into alaska.
martin, Munich,
I am dumbfounded by this swooning over Obama. The world seems absolutely famished for some mythical idea of "true leadership". Strip awy the charisma and oratory and you have a rather mediocre politician who has yet to prove himself. I am not holding my breath.
tessa gordon, newton, massachusetts, USA
The US led by strong pro-military Presidents was the only thing that kept Soviet tanks from rolling down the streets of Europe's cities. Be very afraid Europe, if Obama wins! You are much closer to the middle east and Russia than we are.
David Bennett, San Diego, USA
Pretty intuitive piece. It's easy to attack American culture - there are so many targets. As an American, even I am appalled by the trash we churn out - American Gladiators, Baywatch, Big Macs, etc. The problem with "blaming America" is that we simply sell what other's want to buy.
Mike, Tennessee, USA
I think that they'll always be people that hate a country. Not all of the world hates the usa and not all of the usa hates the world. Obama is a great speaker but frankly I do not that much will change other than the obvious.
Matt, Boston,
Of course there is anti-Americanism in Europe, and there is antin-Europeanism in the U.S. It takes wisdom to appreciate those different from oneself, and wisdom is not universal. Still the Iraq war was foolish, and ignoring Kyoto was wrong -- as individual US states have shown.
Christopher Bryan, Sewanee, Tennessee, USA
One of the fallouts of the anti-Iraq War hysteria is that American troops' institutional behaviour has never been examined.
They are the new Roman legionaries, protected by citizenship. It feeds a current of anti-Americanism which already existed but it needs fixing, unlike the rest.
Clive Hill, Milton Keynes,
Europe is socialist. America isn't. That's the difference. Europeans supposedly like Obama, the media creation, because his short voting record is Socialist. He spent 20 years indoctrinated in Communist Liberation Theology. Obama is a megalomaniac, attracting likeminded Europeans. You can have him.
Jill, Cleveland, GA, USA
If you don't care for American Culture don't buy American products. As for the suggestion that the US adopt another form of government; the United States is home to the world's oldest peaceful transfer of power. Also, within the US, there's quite a bit of anti-European sentiment, with just cause.
Jim, Boston, USA
Personally America should adopt an MMP parliment, similar to Germany and NZ. The American people should not be defined by its political system, ie your either Republican or Democrat, but the politicians, and policies should be defined by the diversity of the nation, then you'll have true debate
Anthony Heard, London, United Kingdom
What total cobblers. The world's sadness that, for example, Bush "invaded Iraq in the name of freedom and then somehow allowed torturers to photograph each other in the fallen dictator's house of torture" is simply the whimpering of British elitists or (final para) "envy". Here's a secret: it ain't.
JHHT, London, UK
Fantastic article, and while I myself do not by any means support the current practices and standings of my own country, I must say that our cultural and political "exports" are not forced upon anyone; simply put, if one does not like Die Hard, do not see Die Hard. I haven't.
Jb, Smithsville, USA
Conservative Americans are like foreigners to us liberal (openminded, forwardthinking, free from prejudice...Websters Dictionary) Americans. It does not take a European to hate this arrogant, ignorant side of America. Sorry world. They are full of fear and hatred. One should only pity them.
Michelle, Boulder, USA
I was stationed in Germany in the 80's and we were just as much hated back then. Quit making excuses, you don't like us because we are loud, movies are unbelievable, We are proud, The chant USA bugs you. Two tours iraq and wish Bush could run another term.
CW2, Kabul, Afghanistan
R. Ruiz,
We gave a name, in France, to the people who live in the United States: we baptize them the "Etats-uniens" (pronounce zetazunien).
The fact that this population has no real identity tells a lot about its relationship with other Peoples imo. In term of security, maturity and tolerance.
Mathieu, Le Havre, France
Thank you for the intelligent (and witty) article. Definitely food for thought. Now that's what I want from the Times!
Amy Allen, London,
I believe the reason we will be hated has everything too do with who the majority of of us choose to lead our country. When we choose our leader we are telling the world that we back him, regardless of the fact you didn't vote for the candidate. The President represents us all in the USA.
Steven, Warren, MI, USA
Hopefully there' ll come a day when the citizenry of the U.S. will adopt a name other than "American." As implied by another comment, America spans from Ellesmere Island Canada to Tierra del Fuego Argentina. America is a hemisphere NOT A COUNTRY. And we the people found therein are "Americans."
Raphael Canutto, Maturin, Venezuela
Why is any criticism of America instantly put down to European snobbery?
Personally I never had a problem with the US until George W + TB started polarizing the world and making it a far more dangerous place than pre 9-11.
Only people who have got anything out of Iraq: Iran, Al-qaeda, Haliburto
JN, Bedford, UK
Pretty much every good thing that we have in our lives has been, and continues to be, subsidized by the American taxpayer. Think that one through....
Big Bob, Ottawa, Canada
I agree in that I think a lot of the hate from Europe will always continue. OK! But let's not forget the residual effects of centuries of European Colonialism - of which the UK is the biggest culprit. Thank you for the Middle East. Oh sure, you guys did such a great job trying to run the world....
TR, Independence, NJ, AMERICA
Without the support of Mr. Blair's government it's questionable how far Bush et al could have gone in Iraq. British hands are just as soiled as Americans and have no standing to be critical. in this regard.
Rick, Buffalo NY, USA
There is a large contingency in the U.S. that has equal distain for the American neo-conservative, call us the entrepreneur class, now independents. Our choice is either higher taxes and the socialism we dread with Obama, or a continued fight between the religious right of our world and theirs.
Hans Petersen, La Jolla, USA
Whatever negative social trends that have befallen Great Britain are solely the fault of the British. Nobody forced the Brits to adopt any American trends, good or bad. Most of my American friends are baffled at how many of America's worst ideas have been so thoroughly embraced by Europe.
Ian, Washington, DC
For those that really want to nail Bush, fair enough. America under Bush is probably about as bad as America can be. But there are countless regimes in the world whom - if they were only as bad as Bush's America - would be creating far less mayhem and misery than they currently are.
Peter, Wellington, New Zealand
I second what Susan of LA states...sometimes you want to throw your hands up and let the world be "policed" by the Russians and China. Oi that sends a chill....
Paul, Chicago, USA
Hm, reminds me of the saying that even left wing Americans are growing fond of:"If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of Europe". Anti-Americanism is the answer to all, it is the approved and popular bigotry that Europeans love to indulge in. And it is bigotry, it is hate, plain and simple
Susan, Los Angeles, USA
My feeling is that all this anti-Americanism will just cause the US to retreat into isolationism and protective trade policy. We will just stop trying as nothing we do is ever enough. Have fun choosing between China and Russia.
susan, Los Angeles, USA
Absolutely correct, even if one assumes that Obama will prevail over McCain.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Scott, Durham, NC, USA
Pres. Wilson once remarked to his British hosts: 'You must not speak of us who come over here as cousins, still less as brothers; we are neither.' That feeling was mutual and most rational. As an American expat in Britain, I say to my 'cousins': stop fawning and obsessing with all things American!
Rene, London, UK
jesse your attitude is exactly that morally righteous voice of the self proclaimed "world police" that (teenage americans at least) actually seem to believe, but which foreigners all see though. Despots exist out there right now, killing people, without hindrance. But they dont have oil do they
Mike, Auckland, Nz
For me, the days of pre-Bush anti-Americanism were far better. His arrogance has led to America being vilified beyond belief around the world, and for that I'm not bitter.I hope when Obama takes office, the anti-Americanism will assume a negative slope and fall precipitously to pre-Bush levels.
Eric Penner, California, USA
I have read post stating Lincoln was our best Pres. You have go to be kidding me. He drove the U.S. into a civil war and nearly tore this country apart. Trust me, when he was President, all of America hated him. He was assassinated. Remember?
Martha, Knoxville, USA
Right on Mr. Aaronovitch ... I personally thought you nailed it...as a fellow American and one who had once lived in London studying at UCL I can say you got this article right. Hopefully more will read this.
Patrick , Boston, MA , USA
Excellent piece. Very erudite! Hopefully, world's most ambitious will travel to some other destination soon. If the sun never set in the British empire some years ago, and Americans freely pick and toss dictators around the world today. Cruel wheel of time will come to haunt US as it does UK now.
P, New York, USA
What should people from the United States of America call themselves?.. United Stateians, USAers. While we're on this topic I can't believe the arrogance of people from Turkey calling themselves Turks.. what about people from Turkmenistan and Turks and Caicos!!!!
Michael, Perth, Australia
The easiest aphorism is to claim a zero sum game.
Pathetic really Mr Aaronovitch
Yiannis, Parkville, MD, USA
Chauncey Gardner for Presidente for Life
Jayson Blair, New York, USA
some of have a head start, but next time you have some despot killing millions of people take care of your self ,if your able and we"ll stay home
jesse, wilmington, us
Roberto Ruiz--
This sqawk re America a continenet vs. a country is a non-starter. People understand that "America" is used as a short form of "The United States of America." Your country is officially "Estados Unidos Mexicanos." You use the short form "Mexico." Brazil is also a short form.
Terry L. Walker, Ladson, SC / USA
Excellent article. David Aaronivitch provides cogent opinion that is rare in most news information from broadcast or print. And he will more than likely be proved to be right. Obama will go from saint to sinner, because America will be lauded as the great Satanic force it never was or will be.
rwilder, london town, uk
1. The US will always be there to protect those who hate us. Remember WW1 and WW2 and the cold war?
2. We will always be able to count on England, Austrailia, and Canada due our close culture, language, and family ties. The countries always know they have us at their side in any crisis.
Jerry, orlando, fl, USA
Aaronovitch needs to learn from history - NO powerful countries (or people) are indispensable. He once again falls back on the tired old premise that anyone who criticizes anything American is doing it because they are anti-American rather than just anti the particular American action.
elisabeth hughes, Athens, Georgia, USA
To Nathan of Bangkok, USA:
I have friends from Peru and Brazil who consider themselves American. You are NORTH American as they are SOUTH American.
Just because there are 2 'countries' that have 'american' in their name there are many more countries on TWO continents called America.
John, Dublin, Ireland
hey, Roberto Ruiz, Monterrey, Mexico:
no, you are mexican and you live in MEXICO.
america is the name of a country; MY COUNTRY, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
fyi: there are 2 COUNTRIES on the face of this earth that have the word "AMERICA" in their names: the U.S., and american samoa.
nathan, bangkok, united states of AMERICA!
When it comes to so-called anti-Americanism, it seems the Americans can't handle freedom of speech. It's fine for Americans to put down Europeans, especially the French, but the other way round is unacceptable.
By the way there are 2.3m Americans in jail. More to be envious about?
luke neave, london, england
To Anthony, LA: just because Europe may prefer Obama to McCain doesn't automatically mean you should vote for McCain. That is merely childish petulance. We're not telling you who to vote for, merely expressing an opinion. Please make up your own mind using a rational appraisal of the facts.
simon russell, richmond, uk
Got to agree with you Bertie Becker. Having finally been to the US it was apparent after couple of days how much more polite the average yank seemed to be compared to the generally obnoxious standard of behaviour over here. Though of course there are always plenty of exceptions
Gordon, London, UK
The UK and America may have their differences with each other, but our countries always back each other up during trying times because we have many of the same values. These common values will not change regardless of who is leading either country.
Diana, Allen, TX, USA
Edward, Cheltenham connect the dots! Immigrants go there "for the money" because the US has instiutions based on freedom, democracy and openess that enable it to be prosperous and dynamic. The Americans are a far, far nicer people than what we Brits have become: negative, resentful and bitter.
Bertie Becker, London,
Hey, America is the name of our continent - not the name of a country.
America is a piece of land that spans from Canada to Argentina.
I am a Mexican, and I live in America.
Roberto Ruiz, Monterrey, Mexico
I am a small town American. I think my views are shared by more than just a few of my neighbors. Don't believe what the New York Times and Nancy Pelosi want you to believe. The truth is that most of us don't care even the smallest iota what Europe thinks of America.
Becky Long, Mineral Bluff, New York, USA
then Obama may at last become another Lincoln.
Ernest Werner
This man who has demonstrated no true leadership, no core values, no actual vision? Might....become...Lincolnesque?
Lincoln was a fusion of wise decision-making and innate
eloquence. Obama is the media production of a thousand handlers
Mary Lou , Roanoke, US
I'm European and I lovethe US, but I know I'm in the minority. I also don't hate China or Russia, again running counter to the majority . The fact's that Europeans hate these three countries (as they'll eventually do with India) because they're more powerful. Jealously, as simple and human as that.
Derrick, London,
We will make fun of Obama, but that is a politician's fate.
It is personal choice, not fate, that made Bush a war criminal and fraud.
Just so long as Obama shows a little respect to the US Constitution, and the international treaties his country has signed, he will be a major improvement.
Keith S, Winnipeg, Canada
The 'envy' explanation doesn't make sense. Those who admire US claims to openness and fairness feel most frustrated when the US fails to live up to those claims. Can Obama rescue America's image from Bush's travesties? It's not as difficult as one might think. He'll be loved.
JM, Asaka, Saitama, Japan
Pray we get Obama for Pres.Our country needs balance. We're so off our center we don't know what's happening in our own gov't. Bush didn't have an energy or foreign policy until Obama gave them to him. In 2000 & 04 I was right about Bush and I'm right about McCain,now. Bad self-destructive policies
Gladys Simmons, Buffalo, USA
The European elite are going to hate Obama like no other president simply because he is black, and the Euro elite is about as racist as they come. They are damn good at covering that up, and are well versed in political correctness. The racism will shine through nonetheless.
Jeff, New York City, USA
If Obama can really change the polarized US government and get the Right and Left working together again, then you will see America rising to the need for leadership on climate change, terrorism, and energy. Hope for that, because McCain doesn't have the ability to deliver it.
Jim Hart, Cary, NC, USA
Inexperienced? GW Bush knows slightly more than a 12-year-old and he's the boss with eight years experience!!!!!!!!!!
John, London,
Bush will be remembered as a great President. Democrats will always go for the look, and not the substance, ie Obama.
The last time I was in the UK, the Brits that had never been to the US were very rude to us, the Brits who had visited the US were the nicest people.. It's all about perception.
Heidi, Colorado, USA
The alternative to a strong America is far worse (i.e. China) in my mind. Countires always resent those that seem to have more, but I don't hate America. All nations makes poor decisions at times, but I am glad we are more like them than not.
garreth, London, UK
The war on terror can't be fought in Iraq! What can be done in that country is the systematic draining of money from the American people, plus a constant stream of coffins.
John, London,
No this is an English trait. We all gush about something completely out of proportion for a few years, then flip the other way and criticize every aspect even more out of proportion, after the honeymoon period is over.
We blame America for our behavioural tick but refuse to look ourselves in the eye
charlie, los angeles /expat, US
Amusing and well written piece, but it ignores both the policy howlers of the Bush era (excluding Iraq - Guantanomo, rendition & water boarding, New Orleans, Israel-Lebanon) and the genuine seismic shift in global US-hating under Bush. Even Reagan did better than this. Obama can make a difference.
Jamie Stevenson, London, UK
It seems that Mr. Aaronovitch is arguing that anti-americanism won't decrease because its foundations have nothing to do with Bush. This is certainly true, but there wouldn't be much structure on top of the foundation if Bush's foreign policy was less invasive and arrogant.
David, New York, USA
I can understand countries in rest of the world hating the US but I'll never understand Europe's especially the UK's as they have no justification for it. If they want to hate the US hate it for what the US has done to it, like other countries, but not for what their govt's blind following of the US
Glynn, Kingston,
For McCain to try to argue that he is not being treated fairly by the media is downright outrageous. Nobody in the history of modern politics has been a bigger media sweetheart than John McCain. http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/john_mccain
Sanche, Queens, USA
Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. Please sit down and remain quiet until the world is in peril. Then please go fight our battles and rescue our elitist selves from being eliminated. Liberialism will eventually bring you Eurabia. Liberialism breeds weakness and Obama is very Liberial.
Clay, Atlanta, United States of America
We are in a lot of trouble if either Obama or McCain are elected. Vote smart. No war, no more lies, preserve our Constitutional rights ! Vote for Cynthia McKinney. Vote GREEN
Ric, Los Angeles, USA
I wish I could have a say in something but I work so much I dont get time to see what is going on in the world around me. Everything is raising in price except our pay. Maybe if our pay raises too I wouldnt have to work as much and I would be able to vote for the right person.
Keyanna Elam, colorado springs, USA
Cynthia McKinney 2008 !
Ric, Los Angeles, USA
Margaret, Canada - It is not the American "people" that are so objectionable, it's the exceptional level of greed behind the policies implemented by the US government which has left poor countries poor and a tiny minority of people disgustingly wealthy.
M, London,
When a man stands for what is right, the majority around him may reject his ideas - and eventually express hatred toward him. The President is far from perfect and is hated by those who want the power the nation entrusted to him. Keep to your principles, Mr. Bush. They crucified Jesus!
JEK, Waleska,GA, USA
Europeans thought us arrogant because we re-elected Bush in '04 when THEY all hated him? We should vote not for he we want but who they want? Whose really being arrogant on that one people? We march to the beat of our own drum and that is a quality of Americans not an arrogance!
Anthony, Los Angeles, USA
Terry L. Walker - Why don't you invert it. That with China and/or Russia we could make Europe ours...but I don't think we'd want that because the 2 big wars actually started there. They don't think straight and shoot even worse especially the UK
Alex, Syracuse,
"Whenever I see 'fascist' ... I know that I've wondered onto another rabid conservative comment board."
In my experience, "fascist" is usually a label liberals reserve for conservatives, usually with "Nazi" thrown somewhere in the mix. To which I respond, "Ever heard of Godwin's Law?"
JL, Arlington, VA,
"you can judge a country by the number of people trying to get in and those who wish to leave". I guess if above is right, then the UK must be tops!
K. Abhrams, Bucks, UK
Precise, friendly, pragmatic, approachable, accurate, useful common sense essay reflecting actual experience among humans and the predictable, necessarily pulsating cycles of hope and cynicism.
Wade Benson, Atlanta, USA
As a realistic Obama supporter, I agree with David Aaronvitch. I predict that European support for Obama will take a nose dive when he authorises cross-border incursions into Pakistan by US troops against Taliban bases.
Robert Rowthorn, Cambridge, UK
How dare certain people question British support in Afghanistan and Iraq. How short memories you have - it was the UK, and the UK ONLY that supported the US in Iraq. Try not to forget that hundreds of British troops have fallen in combat - some of these comments are disgraceful, John, California etc
Michael, Wolverhampton, UK
If Obama gets 60% of what he wants to achieve in fact done, then everybody will want their Obama and slowly things become more visible. When leaders are able to connect with their people miracles can happen, but when they ignore the deepest wishes of their people then disaster looms on every corner.
Louis Pascal de Geer, Barretos, BRAZIL
For many Americans George Bush has provided such a rich variety of excellent reasons to hate and distrust the U.S. that we simply can't worry about those which are unjustified. We can only hope that an Obama administration can return us to the salad days of traditional anti-Americanism.
Jeff, Pittsburgh, US
As Andre, from Portland suggested, "Time will tell". Time has certainly told that Bush was a terrible President, for America and for it's economy. The future remains to be seen. However, remember that one can dislike some things that the American government has done without being, "Anti-American"
Marc, Paris, France
I second both Esther and Mary some of the comments on here shame both Americans and Britons. Whenever I see "fascist" being thrown around so liberally, I know that I've wondered onto another rabid conservative comment board. Obama's going to be the next pres and thank god for it. Get over it.
Joy, Washington, D.C., USA
I dislike BigMacs, US foreign policy, G W Bush, Jerry Springer, and unrestrained capitalism. I like Noam Chomsky, Miles Davis, old Hollywood films, US freedom of information and Leonard Bernstein. - all American. Yet you brand me an anti-American, a meaningless label. Your point is what?
Mibble, Cannes, France
I agree Ruth. Since Gordon Brown is not elected, they want to have a say in our president. A bit thick skinned if you ask me. They make our wars theirs too by the few troops they provide and try to stake their claim on the glory too.
John, California,
Relax - you will probably have your President Obama. However, let us wait until 2011-2 to see what he has really been like.
Andre, Portland, USA
Excellent article. I actually love speaking with the anti-American crowd from around the world (usually it revolves around food, education, arrogance, culture etc)..Nice to get a healthy dialogue started. Typically after we are done with the conversation, they are sold on all things Texas. Cheers!
Andrew, Houston, TX , USA
I hope that when the Europeans decide to start hating Obama it is more nuanced than the absolutely stupid, senseless stuff that is currently believed by Americans. Obama's far from perfect but I'd rather a elect a potato than McCain.
Odaby Wilcox, Toledo, OH, USA
Esther, I have the same thoughts when I read some comments, they just happen to be who are the lunatics from Britain posting on here? They certainly don't represent the Brits who are friends and business associates that I have known for years. Fanatics live everywhere, not just the US.
Mary, Suwanee, US
Obama, IF ELECTED, will be loved by Europeans up until the second when he makes a decison that is in the best interest of the US and not Europe's. As with all other US presidents.
When will Europeans learn that it is Americans who elect US president's????
Ruth , Cary, NC, US
The inanity and ignorance of some of the comments on this site bring shame upon all of us, whether British, American or otherwise. The British don't 'hate' Americans, just as Americans don't 'rule' the world. However, we certainly stand shoulder to shoulder in our shared, yet fallacious, conceit!
Peter, London, UK
Noel, London, UK - If what you say is true, you should put your money where your mouth is and send more troops to Iraq instead of always trying to second guess us as to when we're going to pull ours out!
John, Seattle, US
I have American friends, relatives and business contacts and they are all sane, rational, humourous, free-thinking (and occasionally confused) people. I'm sure many others in the UK will say the same. So who on earth are these lunatics and maniacs posting on here from across the pond?
Esther, London,
A change is needed. Iraq is tiresome (necessary...maybe), Afghanistan is a ghetto that needs to be policed, the enviroment needs attention, and American conservatism lacks any sort of vision for the future except for armageddon.
The era of the American neo-con is closing.
William, Salt Lake city, Utah
Peter - you just need a ticket and an application form for a green card. You CAN make that dream a reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure America will be thrilled to have you.
Esther, London,
Um... You're British.
The world loves to mock and ridicule you, too.
*kisses*
Melinda Dunham, Sligo, Ireland
As a wise man once said "you can judge a country by the number of people trying to get in and those who wish to leave".
I beleive that sums it up!
Thank God i was born in America.
Ray Lorenzo Saucier, Mississippi USA
Ray, Saucier, United States
The reason many British hate the Americans is that the BBC is an anticapitalist propaganda machine and most British watch it. Its subversion. Sorry. If those of us who are still not corrupted by the lefties could do anything about it we would. Instead, we fantasize about emigrating and joining you
Pete, Loindon, UK
Please don't tar us (Europeans) all with the same brush. The rest of Europe hates the UK too. And just like the UK, the US has its fair share of tree hugging CND hypocrites, remember they are the vocal ones (students?). Many of us value our US ties, and would give our lives to sever our EU ties...
Noel, London, UK
Clay Lankford--Without us, it would have to be the Chinese
( eventually) or a future rejuvenated Russia. EU cannot do it. There is no will to power in the European governments or people, and the Europeans have cut their armed forces to the point they could not even defend themselves effectively.
Terry L. Walker, Ladson, SC / USA
An excellent article!
Caroline, London, UK
Why is it that Americans find it so hard to take criticism about their government? Surely honest critique is preferable to blind patriotism?
Rachael, Oxford, UK
It's not America people don't like. It's the American military/industrial screw-you-Jack-I'm-all-right brigade. As for whether Obama will make a "good" president, when did it ever matter? So-called leaders everywhere are puppets, serving the vested interests that bankrolled their election.
Laurie Harper, London, England
American liberals are at least as snotty as anyone in Europe.
Eve Ventura, Nottingham, England
If there is ever a day when all European countries outwardly express admiration for America, I'll know all hope is lost. Classical Liberal thought will be damned as an archaic evil of the past. The superstructure will have collapsed. It'll be the day the Marxists reign and history revised.
Brannon McMorris, Portland, OR, United States
Hey everybody! T. Y. Chollet from Paris, France says "Enough said" on the topic so I guess we can all go back to sipping wine and pretending that Islamic radicalism is not a real threat. I hope that the cutting off of our heads doesn't get in the way of our leading the world in technical innovation
Matt Shoemaker, San Diego, CA
"They shall love him and despair"
Hugh E Torrance, London , England
Anti-Americanism is ever fashionable. As an American, nothing endears me faster with my European relatives and friends then when I acknowledge some American failing.
Obama exploits this concept by cynically pandering to petrified European bias against America.
Peter, Raleigh, NC, USA
David, you are so right. The US will always be seen to be wrong because it's the one country in the world that is both able able willing to act. If you want to see a world without the big brother domination of the US look at the successful outcomes brokered by the UN.
Chris, London, UK
Dubya makes Nixon looks good- say no more? A trained chimp could have done better than the current incumbent. Hopefully the US can relocate its heritage and once more become the nation of the Liberty Bell not Guantanamo Gulag.
Jeff Larsen, Christchurch, NZ
The UK press doesn't talk for everyone - I support Bush's view over just about anyone else in the world.. most of the anti's are also beneficiaries of US policy in one way or another - unless they live in some kind of cashless commune.
Ed, London, UK
Well done david. Beautifully written and accurate go teach that Finkelstein guy. He needs lessons
JT, stortford, UK
Obama is not just a gift to this generation, he is a gift to the world! Love him or hate him, the world needs a charismatic leader who knows how to bring people together to get things done at the helm of the U.S.A. Another Lincoln? Time will tell. Give him a chance. Look at the alternative in McCain
Jimmy Hussein C, Letchworth, UK
I would sooner be allied to the usa than our so-called "friends" in europe.How many times have our interests been vetoed by our fellow europeans.Who would you want in your corner?The usa may not be perfect but it sure beats the hell out of the federal states of europe.
martin , darlington, england
Michael Iliff, Findlay, Ohio, USA
"Understand, George Bush was a huge mistake. Obama knows he won't 'cure' Anti-Americanism. He's too smart to believe that. Yet that's just what he wants you to see: Intelligence. "
Intelligence?!? Rev Jeremiah Wright? Tony Rezko? William Ayers? give me a break
Nicki Sanders, Santa Monica, CA, USA
Obama like Tony Blair is shallow, going back on policy as he sees fit. I've seen how NEW labour undermined what made British society great. I think people should look at Obama as the new Blair. Charming, witty, attractive to youth and women, promising expensive change in a time of economic crisis.
Adrian Tysoe, Sacramento, CA, USA
Pres Bush has rid the world of Sadaam Husein. He persuaded Lybia to give up Nukes North Korea has agreed to dismantle.We are vigourously attempting to end Irans Nuclear capabilities. We have thousands of troops in Afghanastan trying to rid the world of jihadists. Why does the world hate us for this?
Matt, Boston, USA
Obama is what I call a POLITICAL CHANGE OF SUBJECT. He is need as the new President because he will be the subject of the world and not the object as Bush-Cheney are, or as Bush himself is. Remember Hitler, the Prince of Wales, & Mrs. Simpson. Was he a Nazi? Abdication: The Waoman I love. Change.
mary gravitt, Iowa City, Iowa, USA
The US is pragmatic whilst Europe is idealistic. US is capitalism all the way whereas Europe is a backdoor socialism. The US has the power and Europe, more often than not, hides behind the US's coat-tail. The United States has effective economic relationships with the rest of the world. So hate away
brum, Montreal,
" He is no where near Lincoln... his ideas and policies ring a bell of Karl Marx more than anything....
Lets compare him to Lenin .. fair enough?
Corey, Orlando, FL, USA"
Lincoln wanted to ethnically cleanse America of Black people.He wanted to send them back to Africa.
Nathan, Milwaukee, USA
Interesting comment above about Norway. At a recent dinner party in DC, several people from Sweden quietly, out of the range of hearing of the other guests, told me that in fact they admire Bush and his resolve and determination to do the right thing. Euro schizophrenia--tiresome and sad.
kerry, Washington DC, US
If Obama is elected in November, you Europeans (and everyone else) will soon wish that you had GWB back.
jack carlson, cincinnati, USA
Will, thanks for hanging in there with us Americans! We ARE tied to you Brits by blood, heritage, and honor. Many of us "across the pond" are not what you see portrayed on the movie screen or on the front page of leading journals. We're like so many of you -- devoted to God, family, and country.
Patricia Nelson, Pueblo, USA
You nailed it. Anyone who has ever been in a position of authority will realize that not only can you not afford to appear weak by catering to the whims of every critic, but also that you will inevitably end up being hated. Both Obama and his more idealistic adherents will grow up very quickly.
Evan, Hamada, Japan
Good article. I've known Brits, Canadians and Australians. They do not seem to differ significantly from Americans. People from these countries can move from one to another, get jobs, fit in, and hardly know they've moved. That snotty anti-Americanism described is just as fashionable here in the US.
Lewin Wickes, Millerstown, USA
The US, like, Europe is balkanizing quickly thanks to mass, culturally incompatible immigration and multiculturalism. "Diversity" is not a strength, it's a weakness. Not much point in sniping at each other now, as we both face extremely dark times ahead thanks to our own foolishness.
MaryJ, San Francisco, USA
I wouldn't be overly concerned about American's feelings being hurt by Eurosnobs. I take Eurpoean disdain as a badge of honor. If you want to criticize our bullheaded determination to invade Iraq, look to the French attitude to see what, more than anything, made us believe it was the right course.
MH, Georgia, USA
Dear Mathieu from Le Havre France, n company, d USA may not be d Garden of Eden 4 u, but it sure is for millions who vote w/their feet n migrate there, on last count 40 plus million in d last 20 yrs, muslims included, n practically all find work !
God bless America !
carmine cicchiello, adelaide, australia
George Bush to most of the world including half the US population at least was unpopular from day one of the election he "won"& Al Gore "lost"...all in Bush's brother..governor of Florida....the finish of "undemocratic" 3rd world states.....Mr.Obama is not yet President so lets not call him hated.
Mark, montreal, Canada
"A big step toward the light"? Go back to your cult.
Brian, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
I am curious. To which reader does Mr Aaronovich feel it necessary to offer a definition of "manichaeism"? American or European? Whichever, it is exactly the sort of patronizing tone used by the British just before the Empire collapsed.
devorah, Montreal,
This article touches on the fact that because the US president has too much power under their democracy the world suffers under that Presidents foreign policy. Illegal torture,phone taps,elections and Wars make Bush currently unaccountable so the hatred is justified until the US does something.
keith Wilson, molendinar, australia
Brilliant, my compliments.
Danilo, Ushuaia, AR
I think its rather amusing that Europeans think that our elected Executive leader is "World Community property." And that they are entitled somehow to an opinion on whom it should be, based, of course, on their sense of their own welfare/needs! Do we pontificate all day about who you're electing?!
Linda , Medford, USA
" I find it amusing that Europeans would look down their noses at Americans."
Yes, Mark, New Jersey, USA, and that is exactly why!
Rosemary , Germany,
Charan Muzaya
Any government that goes around violently imposing its will on the peoples of other states, largely against the will of its own people (once the propaganda has been seen through) is hardly adhering to democratic principles, is it?
Anwar, Bromsgrove,
Well written article but itself deeply naïve and manicheic. Actual progress happens in pragmatic steps, in nuances of grey, and Obama would be a big step towards the light. Even if conditions would force his policies in a more realist, less angelic direction than what we are hearing now.
JL, Toronto,
I thought only Americans were being sold the bill of goods on Obama from the left biased media but it is much more prevalent in Europe as this week has shown. I believe the truth that Obama is just a fictitous made for TV Hollywood movie will be apparent in Novmeber.
Al, Toledo,oh, usa
I have stood on the sands of Normandy where American giants gained a foothold to reclaim a continent. We left free, stable and prosperous democracies for tens of millions and only our graves behind. We will do the same in Iraq. Hate us for what you want. It matters not.
PatrickB, Florida, USA
put it this way. if america goes to war with china Britain will be their alongside you from the start. We might disagree on things, you might think us posh and snooty, we may be annoyed by your films writing us out of the war but at the end of the day we will be forever tied by blood and heritage.
will, grimsby, uk
FDR was your worst president? if you want to blame the cold war on a US president blame it on truman, he is the one that was in charge at the end of the war.
and lest you forget, if the isolationist candidate had won, britain would have had to stand alone forever, and the cold war wouldnt have been
will, grimsby, uk
The world is... "jealous".. of you American people???
Waooo... How humble you are! How well-educated...
And what a deep analysis!
But it sounds like self-esteem hurted though, and big problems of ego!
No-one was born anti-american.
And please jealous of what!???
Misery (ies)?
Mathieu, Le Havre, France
The last sentence is true, the jest of the intended point is that the liberals will end up hating Obama is true. If he were to win he would really have to govern to moderates, they would turn on him quicker than they turned on Clinton. For Americans are not liberal and would demand more quickly.
yolanda, USA,
Its time we in the US did the proper thing and really became the great evil Satan we are always accused of being.
Its time to be evil with style!
D. Klein, Glen Elyn, USA
For sure, Europeans are disappointed with America's actions since 9/11. Weren't too crazy about Vietnam, either. Both reactions are well justified: America screwed up. But...
...I know it was a long time ago now, but shouldn't Europe cut America a little slack? Especially now, when it needs it?
Tim, Los Angeles, USA
As a politically conservative American I fail to understand one aspect of our government: How is it that our leaders can be so benevolent when our nation is bankrupt? Our nation is bankrupt economically and morally. Yet, we force our brand upon the world. Sadly, our star is dimming.
Jennifer, Granbury, TX, USA
Julie, Fouesnant, France. You are right about the propaganda on American TV, it really is mind boggling. For example, how many Americans think that they won World War Two, when a glance at any history book will tell them that the Russians overwhelmingly defeated Germany. How hard can this be!!
Dennis, Gathersburg, USA
Mellows, London, Canada - Hear! hear!. and British connivance as well now that Empire is gone.
Billum, Edmonton,
Much of the reflexive anti-Americanism is rooted in resentment of the perpetual change and challenge of the the 'American Way' and it's dominance of politics,economics, and culture. After all, the Beatles and Rolling Stones idolized/imitated Chuck Berry, Hank Ballard, and other American artists
Dave C, Houston, U.S.
I am not offended by that which this elitist offers. I don't like Bush's invasion of Iraq and I do not like all of the US troops spread around the world trying to keep peace. It is costing a bundle. by the way how are you folks in Euro-land getting along with the invading middle-easterners. Bullish!
JR, Lady Lake, Florida, USA
No long erudite blog here.
Just two words.
"You're right!"
Lenny, Berkeley, USA
It's too bad that some Americans just don't get it. A variety of US policies still affects the rest of the world. That said, there's a love-hate relationship of the US. They dislike its ignorance and its bulliness. But admires and envies America's nothing is impossible concept and freedoms.
Arlene, LA,
My Mum always said Europe hated America for two things: for saving their bacon in WWII and then sending them Spam. Really fine article, tho' I do take exception to Mr. Aaronovitch's assessment of FDR: FDR's big government monster baby still sucks at the increasingly emaciated taxpayer's expense.
Karen , Seattle, Washington, USA
"...some...allocate all past badness to Bush & all prospective goodness to Obama." As you say, only SOME of us. But many of us do NOT allocate thusly. Many of us see our country as deeply flawed & not "curable" by just sticking someone new-even someone seemingly positive & globally minded-in the WH
Russell, Philadelphia, U.S.
U.S. politics are not going to influence the world in the 21st century with heroics like it did in the 20th century. Biased media coverage, even from within the U.S. will not allow it. Who knows if the U.S. will even be allowed to bail the world out again. Lets hope we dont have to find out.
Jim, Oklahoma City, The U.S. of A.
I was smart enough to get out of England after Nat. Service and have not regretted it for a moment.I still thank the U.S.A. for deciding the outcome of the two world wars and spilling so much of their blood for a sometimes ungrateful Europe.I like our U.S. neighbours but despise British arrogance.
Mellows, London, Canada
Why is it that when any one from any country writes something about Obama or McCain people feel the need to rush to their candidate's aid and flood the site with pointless comments that almost always include some reference to WWII. If you really don't care what someone thinks, why are you here?
Dan W, Hatboro, USA
The happiest day of my life was the day I boarded that Virgin Atlantic flight and left the US forever. I was born and raised in the US, but I moved to Europe, and never once have I regretted it. Americans, your country is collapsing around you and you are too besotted by propaganda to see the cracks
Julie, Fouesnant, France
At least we can all agree that The Wire is an amazing show! Hopefully, we can look forward to better relations going forward. And a weaker Pound. It would be able to afford a visit to the UK!
Aaron, Washington, DC, USA
Charan Muzaya, London, UK - You forgot to mention sham democracies lie so many ex-British colonies like India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Zimbabwe, Singapore...the list goes on...that uses democracy to hide dictatorships!
Billum, Edmonton,
My feelings are that Americans are nice, but America more often than not isn't - my feelings are also that many of the blacks vote for Obama just because he is black, and that many of the whites that vote for him, do so for the same reason - not a good way to pick a world leader.
Marty, London,
FDR was our worst President. a) He intensified and perpetuated a recession into a decade long depression. b) He capitualted to the communists costing tens of millions of lives, half of Europe, and the cold war.
Glenn, Denver, Colorado
Good article. What's really funny to me about all of the anti-Americanism is that Europeans actually seem to believe that Americans care what they think! We don't! Oh, and we've saved all of your behinds before and I'm sure we'll have to again at some point in the future! You're welcome!
chris, Georgia, U.S.
I am so sick and tired of hearing that, "untold damage has been done to (insert victim here) by the evil Bush administration". The same thing was said about the Regan administration, etc., etc. The job of the president of the United States is to protect it's citizens, not to make Europe happy.
John, Austin, USA
Who remembers lend-lease? Anyone who knows 20th c. history. The USA is no-one's champion but its own, as is only right and proper - just give over with the champion of democracy garbage. If you're looking to history, maybe look a bit further back to the Mex-American War. Nice work, that one.
William Shires, Toronto, Canada
David Aaronovitch will be surprised that I knew what Manichaeism was, without his definition, even though I didn't start to learn English until I was nine. Talking down to readers doesn't endear. I don't hate the USA; rather I am bored with hearing about it. It uses up far to much print & airtime.
Mimi Chen, Greenwich, London,
I think its funny people keep trying to compare Obama to some of our great presidents.... He is no where near Lincoln... his ideas and policies ring a bell of Karl Marx more than anything....
Lets compare him to Lenin .. fair enough?
Corey, Orlando, FL, USA
Hopefully the world will not get the chance to hate BO. He will simply fade away back to the Senate after November 4th.
Larry, Franklin, USA
Western favoritism toward Obama? Perhaps, but historically it has less to do with party and more to do with charisma. Reagan, Clinton, Kennedy all captured the U.S. as possessing a gift of exciting the masses. Obama better be up by 8-10% pts as the actual people voting for Obama will fall.
Cameron J Mahlum, St. Paul (MN), USA
Freedom in the west sometimes makes us lose our sense of proportion in criticising our leaders. In a world where Russia, China and religious dictatorships exist, any USA government is good. We should keep our sense of perspective and never put USA leaders on par with the world's terrible dictators!
Charan Muzaya, London, UK
Well we may well hate Obama if he steals an election (Florida 2000), invades countries based on lies causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands, sanctions kidnapping, torture and detention without trial, hands tax cuts to the richest people in America etc. etc. I mean get a grip David
Johnny X , London,
Before we can even like some one we must forgive them - for being who they are.
reminds me of salvador dali's statement "Why is Dali a genius and not a madman? Because Dali is a genius"
glenn schaefer, holbrook, usa
I find it totally fascinating that the UK public at least, unjustifiably seem to dislike the US most vehemently.
Glynn, Kingston,
I'm sorry that you have this impression. I know hundreds of people and none of them have ever indicated that they hate the US. Quite the contrary.
Tam Earl-Aine, Cheltenham,
Good points. However, as Americans we will consult with our allies but will have the final say and should not care about what other counties think. Who remembers the lend lease aid to our the Brits and yes, the Soviets? We only matter when we have to save your behinds. Good news coverage!
Jose, Houston, USA
The US has the closest thing to democracy in the world as presidents can only serve 2 terms, unlike some countries where whole generations are "ruled" by one person, Thatcher, Blaire, Mugabe, Mrs Ghandi and many ex-British colonies. Change is inherent in the US system and that can only be good!
Glynn, Kingston,
I'm just a little annoyed that whenever I try to challenge an Obama supporter on the issues, I get accused of being racist, "living in fear" whatever that means, or general lack of education. Can we stick to the issues please? I don't think that's too much to ask for.
Ted, Durham, NC, USA
What America needs now is experience? Like Cheney and Rumsfeld for example? What America needs now is intelligence.
John Oldfield, Kuwait City, Kuwait
It is always amusing to read British/European commentary on the US. This was a good article though any hatred of Obama will be muted quite a bit since he desparately wants to be a European. From an American standpoint, I find it amusing that Europeans would look down their noses at Americans.
Mark, New Jersey, USA
Very good article! No matter who sits in the White House, just because they do means they're not going to be liked by everybody. I wish the candidates would focus more on being OUR leader than someone the world will like, expecting that doing a good job for US will build the respect they seek.
Larry, Arlington, Texas, USA
Obama is a player in the same game and will be pilloried at some point - as would Kennedy, had he lived. But using the anti-semitism equation only stifles dissent. We are privileged that our cliques and regimes can be changed by our democratic participation and argument. Case by case, please.
marc roberts, manchester, UK
David may be right but I believe the hatred will be much less intense than that felt towards Bush.
Bush was willing to create links when non existed and at the same time exclude agencies such as the State Department from the reconstruction of Iraq.
Untold damage has been done by Bush et al.
Graham, St. Albans, uk
As ever, an erudite article by a realistic person. You have the world weighed-up so exactly that it quite takes my breath away.
leila, manchester, uk
Matt from the UK, apparently UK schools have a problem teaching history like in the US. You should thank God every day for those military bases. The US was committed to isolationism for most of it's history. The result was two world wars. Because of that we now follow the Truman doctorine.
Mark, Peabody,
Richard in Charlotte..regarding why immigrants come to the US: That was about as dumb a statement as Ive read in a while. As for voting for a candidate or a party: Would you really rather only have a choice of voting for a party?
Mike, Columbia, USA
Interesting article, however I think the UK and America are forever linked. When I visit I feel a close connection between the two countries. In fact going to the UK feels a bit like my second home. I don't think we will hate Obama, he is unproven yes but the need for hope and idealism is needed!
cheryl watson, Sacramento, USA
What irks me is that US leaders are so gullible. They get charmed by European leaders despite the utter disdain that Europeans have for America.
That charm buys Europe military protection from parts east. So European treasure goes to social welfare while the US borrows to maintain "commitments".
Adam, Poway, California
Matt from the UK, apparently UK schools have a problem teaching history like in the US. You should thank God every day for those military bases. The US was committed to isolationism for most of it's history. The result was two world wars. Because of that we now follow the Truman doctrine.
Mark, Peabody,
Net Net: we don't care if you guys hate us. We have a world to run.
tom, warrenton va, USA
A Stronger man than you.
He's driving a Hummer and you a toy car.
He's happy, and you're miserable.
Envy is the greed of wanting what he is.
So you scream and claw.
He looks at you with pity.
You destroy yourself.
Fred, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
"If a list of countries were drawn up based on the number of people killed by their military, no doubt the US would be up there.
Al Fogo, London"
Let me know how many of those dead were killed to protect another country or that country's citizens and how many were killed for pure imperialism.
Brian, Dayton, OH, USA
Excellant article.
A Brit responded earlier that while in the US a Starbuck's employee said "Eww... we hate you guys." 1. I doubt that a Starbuck's worker would say this to someone, except with a wink and a nod. 2. Americans don't hate the British.
And at least we don't have soccer hooligans.
David, Ohio, US
Reading all the different opinions on this blog it's obvious why there will never be harmony in world politics: everyone has a different interpretation and a different opinion.
Chris H, Woking, UK
Great piece, but Franklin Roosevelt cannot be considered our best president. Lincoln or Washington, yes, but not FDR. Government intervention is a problem now derived from much of his administration.
Stephen, New York NY, USA
"Tiresome anti-Americanism"? Actually, there's not nearly enough of it - and the incessant pro-US propaganda wolrdwide, underlying this article also, helps explain why. The U.S. record: Military bases in some 85 countries; Bombed 74 countries since World War II. Enough said.
T. Y. Chollet, Paris, France
For those who insist that it is GWB that caused all this anti-American nonsense in Europe, please recall the riots and demonstrations that resulted from Reagan's threat to put Pershing II missiles in Europe to match the Soviet missiles. Somehow, it worked out, though. Ask the Poles.
Mitch, Wakefield, Massachusetts, USA
Is the fear of this dynamic capitalism really as unfounded as the tone implies? I don't think cultural imperialism worries people as much as the unfettered capitalist, able to destroy his environment and economy for his own profit, don't the post crunch calls for more regulation show this failure?
Jack Youldon, London,
History will be much kinder to Bush than current American or world opinion. Truman was hated in America and abroad, now he is viewed as a plain talking lion of democracy. History will show that Bush remade Iraq as a democracy and prevented any additional attacks on America, despite his errors.
Fleiter, Charlotte, USA
"He is not going to run Franklin Roosevelt a close race for nomination as the second greatest president of the US."
You know because FDR didn't do anything controversal.... rounding up japanese americans into camps? Creating an overbloated nanny state? No controversy there
Josh Teasdale, Lafayette, IN, USA
In the late 1800's another country was despised around the planet. Despised for it's power and arrogance. It gave the world nothing but heartache - and a man named Churchill. A man who knew that the future of his country lay in an unwavering alliance with another just across the Atlantic.
Steve Mitchell, Los Angeles, usa
I love this! I would add what is hated aboutt America is also what is demanded of it! Don't build military bases in foreign countries!!! Uh, but we got us a problem, will you go die to stop it? The annoying parent who has teenagers who say "I hate you, can I have 20 bucks and a ride to the mall?
JR, USA,
It is my observation, rightly or wrongly, that many countries outside the UK and Europe dislike the US some with more justification than others. However, I find it totally fascinating that the UK public at least, unjustifiably seem to dislike the US most vehemently.
Glynn, Kingston,
The mention of immigrants reminds us all yet again about the promise of a quick dollar, at any expense.
JD in Honolulu: The UK is so much closer to democracy - we elect the party, not the person. Did you happen to notice the last election took only 5 weeks - no millions of $$$ needed/wasted?
Richard Stevenson, Charlotte, NC, USA
JD honolulu, we dont vote for the prime minister, we vote for the candidate in our constituency, we dont have nor want a presidency.
Most people are jealous of america, because they are the most succesful country in the world. (and europe hates them cos they are based on britain too!)
will, grimsby, uk
When you study the history of America and its relationship with other countries....you soon notice that those who remind us of "needing" America fail to note that when the US helps, there is always something in it for them. A base here, an Empire there, a market, your gold reserves. It adds up
jon livesey, Sunnyvale, CA/USA
As to Obama, certainly after a honeymoon phase, the world and the country will hate him, too. It's the nature of the beast. I'm not voting for him, he has a history of zip in politics. Funny but he's running on change for change's sake. Change to what, pie in the sky? I'm not that naive.
JR, USA,
Sen.Obama's game of choise is poker where the rule of thumb is to keep opponents in the dark, sometimes by providing misleading signs. It's difficult to be sure of what Prez.Obama will do after having secured a lease on White House. So, Mr. Aaronovich is right to forecast the scorn of Europeans.
Felix, Mountain View, USA, CA
A political cartoon. Scene: the White House. Voice balloon: "But Mr. President, why should we attack them? Sure, that dictator has killed millions and is a threat to Europe. But he is no immediate threat to us."
"I guess you're right. Call Mr. Churchill and say we won't save Britan."
Walter H. Inge, Atlanta, USA
Anti-Americanism is nothing more than pure envy from inconsequential countries that can do little more than complain about the world's problems. I wonder what Europe would be like if they could no longer rely on America's protection and had to actually form a respectable military of their own.
Matt, Long Beach, USA
If Americans could walk through Obamas old district from when he was an Illinois State Senator, they might think twice about voting for him. Yet some are so dee