About that London Stock Exchange IT failure

"It’s the third one in a year and worse even than last year’s November
8th failure. "

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1242&tag=nl.e539

-RFH

He goes on to point out how Microsoft used the contract as a way of
putting Linux down:

"All of which should have you wonder what Linux has to do with any of
this - Microsoft’s headline, you’ll recall said that the LSE picked
Windows over Linux for reliability.

The answer is that Linux has nothing to do with any of this: Microsoft
simply hung an anti-Linux label on a very carefully worded story about
a pair of committed Microsoft partners, HP and Accenture, getting
together with Microsoft to sell rather simple technology to a willing
customer - and neither Linux nor Solaris is mentioned anywhere in the
text."

Part of the "Get the 'Facts'" campaign.

I think that you have to read between the lines to get the real story here.
What it says is that, given an opportunity to acquire some business as a
result of Tandem's demise, Microsoft and its partners went to the well and
came away with the prize. The Linux/Unix proponents, on the other hand,
chose to sit back on their hands and count on their laurels to somehow bring
this business their way. Since that has failed to occur, they are reduced
once again to snide remarks about their opponents. There seems to be a lot
more of that going on these days.

You could blame it on monopoly practices, I suppose. That is better than
blaming yourself.

Go for it son - I'm right with you on this!

Point them to Microsoft "Get The Facts" - that'll show 'em!

Maybe you can point to where in the article the cause of the outages
was determined to be Microsoft?

Steve

____/ Steve de Mena on Wednesday 17 September 2008 19:30 : \____

"The London Stock Exchange Group PLC said Tuesday that a software glitch - and
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not high trading volumes - was to blame for a seven-hour shutdown that angered
customers on one of the busiest days of the year on world equity markets."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7qZJLteXf0POgW7sQvvo3ze7oXw

London Stock Exchange in denial over system outage

,----[ Quote ]
| The LSE absolved its core TradElect platform from blame. The system, designed
| and built by Accenture, runs on HP ProLiant Servers and Microsoft .Net and
| SQL Server 2000 systems. Accenture declined to comment on Monday's events.
| The LSE said, "we won't discuss dealings with our individual suppliers".
|
| Bob McDowall, senior analyst at Tower Group, said sparse explanations
| provided by the LSE so far were “not very satisfactory”.
`----

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/it-business/it-organisation/news/index.cfm?newsid=10947

London Stock Exchange trading derailed by computer crash on frenzied day

,----[ Quote ]
| Trading on the London Stock Exchange has been halted after a computer system
| failed on one of the most frantic days of trading so far this year.
|
| FTSE 100: trading on the London Stock Exchange halted after computer systems
| failed
|
| In an embarrassment for the LSE, the exchange said that no orders can be
| entered or executions of those trades occur. The LSE plans to bring back
| trading in a “controlled way’’, but couldn't say how long that will take.
`----

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/money/2008/09/08/bcnlse408.xml

London Stock Exchange blames outage on Infolect

,----[ Quote
| The outage hit shortly before close of trading and forced the exchange
| to extend its closing auction by a hour and a half, from 4.30pm until
| 6pm. Even so it was reported that that some traders left for the day
| with trades unexecuted
|
| Infolect was launched two years ago in place of the exchange’s London
| Market Information Link platform. It uses Microsoft .net technology and
| a SQL Server database
`----

http://www.cio.co.uk/concern/security/news/index.cfm?articleid=2248&pagtype=allchantopdate

Furse should not resign, she should be sacked

,----[ Quote ]
| Comment The farce of the London Stock Exchange not only crashing but failing
| to get its systems up and running again should surprise no one.
|
| Well, no one except LSE boss Clara Furse, who demonstrates little
| understanding that technology is crucial to her business.
|
| I’ve worked for members of the London Stock Exchange and everyone agrees she
| is world-class at corporate presentations, but the evidence that she can
| actually run things is rather harder to come by.
|
| No one expects her to write FIX handlers, or optimise an order-matching
| engine, but her yes-men simply were not in the position to make any
| intelligent decisions on technology, if we look at the board of the LSE.
|
| Do we see anything that even looks like experience in technology? No. We see
| three from the media, and of course accountancy, but no mention of
| technology.
|
| To be sure, the CIO (not on the board) is ex-Accenture man David Lester. To a
| Reg reader, Accenture will be associated in the context of technology with
| the words “screw up”, “late”, and “over budget”. Clara Furse cannot be held
| responsible for problems with Cisco switches - one of the suggested
| culprits - but she is absolutely in the frame for the choice of senior
| management and strategic vendors.
`----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/13/furse_lse_comment/

NYSE Euronext banks on Red Hat

,----[ Quote ]
| If anyone out there persists in believing that Linux isn't ready for serious
| prime time, NYSE Euronext's dependence on Red Hat should finally lay that
| silly notion to rest. As announced, the New York Stock Exchange Euronext
| dumped its proprietary UNIX heritage (AIX, HP UX, Solaris) for the freedom,
| flexibility, and performance of Linux.
`----

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9942680-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad

Linux steps up to power NZ Stock Exchange

,----[ Quote ]
| The New Zealand Stock Exchange is moving to a Linux platform for its
| settlement and clearing system, replacing its existing HP NonStop platform
| and applications in order to reduce cost and increase flexibility.
`----

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/F586239BCCA7593FCC2573F00001488E

HP Linux servers bolster NYSE trading app

,----[ Quote ]
| "We favor Linux for what we do. We don't want to be beholden to any one
| [hardware or software] supplier, even if it is very good. We want the freedom
| to be vendor-independent, so Linux was a good choice," said Rubinow.
`----

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1285921,00.html

Microsoft is the world's biggest cause of zombie remailers

,----[ Quote ]
| In China, it would take about one and one-half years wages (for the
| average Chinese) to buy a legitimate copy of Windows Vista. If you
| could find it here.
|
| Microsoft is the biggest cause of zombie remailers in the world,
| because they make noises, but do not do anything to address the
| real digital inequities in the world.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38202

Pump and dump spam comes to Europe

,----[ Quote ]
| Earlier this month, the US Securities and Exchange Commission
| (SEC) had suspended trading in 35 companies that were found to
| be commonly referenced in pump-and-dump stock email campaigns.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38607

SEC goes after stock spammers, hackers

,----[ Quote ]
| The SEC action to freeze the assets is the third filed in as many
| months involving market manipulation schemes conducted through
| online account intrusions. In the past the SEC has also taken
| action against individuals who allegedly broke into financial
| news Web sites or news release services.
|
| [...]
|
| "When spam clogs our mailboxes, it's annoying. When it rips
| off investors, it's illegal and destructive," SEC Chairman
| Christopher Cox said in a statement.
`----

http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-6165804.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news

,----[ Quote ]
| Problems found in an audit of Diebold tabulation records from an Ohio
| November 2006 election raise questions about whether the database got
| corrupted during the tabulation of election results...
|
| The database is built from Microsoft's Jet database engine. The
| engine, according to Microsoft, is vulnerable to corruption when a lot
| of concurrent activity is happening with the database, such as what
| occurs on an election night [and Microsoft advises againt using Jet in
| a complex environment]...
|
| The report mentions that election staff had trouble with the server
| crashing and freezing on election night....
|
| The report notes that with punch card machines election officials used
| to be able to determine definitively if all ballots had been counted
| in the results....
`----

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/04/diebold_vote_da.html

,----[ Quote ]
| "Nineteen machines had 21 screen freezes or system crashes, producing a
| blue screen and messages about an "illegal operation" or a "fatal
| exception error."
|
| "Especially with this blue-screen problem, you don't know whether it's
| the printer drivers, you don't know whether it's Diebold's own code or
| whether it's Windows,"
`----

http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=6257

Mainframe Linux at SHARE

,----[ Quote ]
| Everyone is already using Linux somewhere, Elliott said, but there are still
| people who are afraid to put their mission-critical applications on it for
| fear that it is not robust enough.
`----

http://www.linux.com/feature/118624

Open source and mission critical: The Linux application server landscape

,----[ Quote ]
| In 2005, Michael Dortch, executive editor and director of IT infrastructure
| management strategies at the Robert Frances Group, penned a report comparing
| Linux application server total cost of ownership (TCO) with Microsoft's
| Windows and Sun Microsystems' Solaris. In that report, Linux won handily,
| prompting Dortch to recommend that all IT managers at least give the Linux
| application server a serious look for mission-critical data center tasks.
|
| [...]
|
| What a lot of our clients are finding today, however, is that, with Linux and
| open source application servers, the wisdom of the crowd has solved those
| standards-based problems. And because the management tools are freely
| available and malleable, they find that the big sell was "cheap and free" but
| is now "What will complete my processes faster?" Open source used to be
| inexpensive and free, but now IT is finding value [in it] because it's more
| responsive and responsive.
`----

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1264755,00.html?track=NL-825&ad=597846&asrc=EM_USC_1828806&uid=2087385

Forrester: Open source is everywhere, and increasingly used for
mission-critical applications

,----[ Quote ]
| Forrester just issued an insightful report on the increasing adoption
| of open source in the enterprise. The verdict? Open source is everywhere,
| and taking an ever-increasing piece of the enterprise pie
`----

http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/05/forrester_open_1.html

Open Source Slowly Gains Momentum on Wall Street

,----[ Quote ]
| Customers may be comfortable using Linux for infrastructure-type
| systems but less so for business software, said Monica Kumar,
| senior director of product manager for Linux and open-source
| software at Oracle.
`----

http://www.adtmag.com/article.aspx?id=20569

Linux Crossing Threshold to Real Mission Critical Computing

,----[ Quote ]
| ...Linux developers are steadily chipping away at the most
| significant functional gaps that limited its suitability for
| these workloads in the past, allowing it to progress far beyond the
| "edge of network" domain where it has traditionally thrived. The
| impressive wins by Novell and Red Hat prove that user perceptions
| about Linux's limitations are gradually crumbling as well.
`----

http://ideasint.blogs.com/ideasinsights/2007/04/linux_crossing_.html

Linux goes to Wall Street, puts on a show

,----[ Quote ]
| "The Financial Services firms are leading the enterprise adoption of
| open source technology, including Linux," says Zachary. "By watching
| the consumption patterns of these firms, open source vendors can
| gain a good understanding of the types of products and services
| that are commercially viable.
|
| [...]
|
| "We see a growing role for open source software beyond Linux in
| financial services companies and that's why many companies are
| expanding the governance policies and procedures around using
| open source software."
`----

http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/22/1310216&from=rss

Next Gen, Mission-Critical Apps To Be Deployed on Linux Says Report

,----[ Quote ]
| By now it should be obvious to even the most casual industry observers
| that Linux operating systems - and open source-based software in general -
| have reached critical marketplace mass. Recent Linux deals and
| announcements by Oracle and Microsoft have only reinforced the "open
| source is enterprise-grade" message that IBM, Unisys and other "Master
| Brand" hardware, software and services vendors have been preaching for
| years. In short, open source, especially Linux, is becoming "legitimized"
| by the major vendors for enterprise environments, and user executives
| are more than happy to believe them.
`----

http://www.linuxelectrons.com/News/RoundUp/Next_Gen_MissionCritical_Apps_To_Be_Deployed_on_Linux_Says_Report

CIO study finds Linux ready for prime-time

,----[ Quote ]
| The company predicts a steep rise: only 18 percent of businesses
| will be using Linux in business-critical roles by the end of 2007.
|
| "Linux operating systems - and open source-based software in general
| - have reached critical marketplace mass," said the study's authors,
| Bruce Guptill and Bill McNee of Saugatuck Research.
`----

http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=7681

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>>> "Its the third one in a year and worse even than last years

Yes, it was a "software glitch" but that doesn't answer his question. Only
a complete retard would think that every bit of software running on the
LSE was written by Microsoft.

Did it ever occur to your 3 retarded brain cells that perhaps the LSE
wrote some custom software that had the problem?

Try sticking to subjects that you actually have a clue about. Basically
shut your mouth and let the grown ups talk.

Unlike others that are frothing at the mouth to pin this on Microsoft, I
really don't give a rats ass as long as they do get to the bottom of it.

I still have not seen any information that definitively confirms that it
was Microsoft software that was the cause.

Software breaks, including Microsoft, Linux and everything else out there.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Please Visit www.linsux.org

> I think that you have to read between the lines to get the real story here.

This was a high-profile win, and if Microsoft had been able to pull it
off, Microsoft would have been able to crow about it for years.

Unfortunately, it's also very visible when the system has an
unscheduled hiccup. And Microsoft has to pay the price of blowing it
in a very public arena.

The Linux powered cash registers at KFC aren't near as glamorous as
the London Stock Exchange, but it's a very strategic win, because
Linux can show real numbers and real success for years that can be
used as a reference on other accounts. I don't know if the back-end
server is still SCO or not, but it could easily be Linux.

I'm sure that bidding was competitive and aggressive. And I'm sure
that Microsoft made some aggressive claims about their own
reliability. Microsoft relied on intense redundancy and scheduled
down-time that was excluded from the availability calculations. The
MTBF isn't really all that bad, only 3 times per year is pretty good -
for Windows.

Where Microsoft really screwed the pooch was on the recovery time, the
Mean Time To Repair.

It seems that even with lots of redundancy, critical systems failed in
such a manner as to trigger a very long recovery time, and THAT is a
real embarrassment. Imagine if NASDAQ, NYSE, or AMEX shut down for
several hours, especially during a sell-off.

Excellent advice.

I trust that we can look forward to you following it, son?

That's nice. Now, how about taking a crack at answering Steve's
question?

Last time I checked, Microsoft does not sell stock exchange operations
software (no, "Microsoft Exchange" is not stock market operations
software). Do you have *any* evidence that the problem wasn't do to
problems with software written by a third party?

--
--Tim Smith

"The LSE, which is facing increasing competition from new European
trading platforms, also attempted to reassure traders unhappy about
the blackout, saying that it had changed the software programming so
that a similar problem would not have such a huge effect."

Sounds like a bug in the program they wrote. How is this a
Microsoft OS of Microsoft application issue?

Steev

> > "It零 the third one in a year and worse even than last year零 November

LOL

Ran solid as a rock for years pre-Microsoft.

Three outages in one year post-Microsoft.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

____/ Steve de Mena on Thursday 18 September 2008 01:20 : \____

We don't know for sure and they refuse to tell. We do know that it wasn't a
hardware/network issue (by "connectivity" they meant they could not reach LSE
because it was down). Accenture worked closely with Microsoft on that one
(offshore contract).

Either way, Get the Facts is false advertising and someone should take that up
with the ASA.

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>> > "It¹s the third one in a year and worse even than last year¹s November

Err, what ran steady as a rock? The OLD SW? What SW are they NOW using?
Last time I looked I never saw "MS Stock Exchange SW" in their catalog.

--
This year with the release of XP, they are actually behind. The end days
are near for the BIOS reading inferior OS. It is inevitable.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy

The article says as much. Try reading.

Whatever they are using, it's not getting the job done. They went from a
single machine which never gave them problems to 120 HP servers running
Windows....

...and now they have crashes.

Yup, rather naive assessment by AC.

--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

Interesting how the astroturfers defend their precious OS tooth
and nail, it's the other guys fault, and spread FUD that Linux is
always not quite there, bid failure on Linux part to win
contract, ad nauseum.

Yes, I agree with you.

Look on the positive. It keeps toner monkeys employed.

Nobody here is defending Microsoft.

We are simply saying that you loons have not proved that it is a Microsoft
problem....

And you haven't....

Illiteracy seems to run high with our Wintrolls.

What is a "toner monkey"? In the corporations I have worked for users
replaced toners themselves in the printers.

Steve

Nice insult MoGo, only proves you're an idiot.

Oh, I see, nice shot, "user".

Nice dodge...
Like I said, despite all your chomping at the bit and frothing like a rabid
dog in heat, you still have not proved Microsoft was behind the crash.

They very well might have been, but you haven't proved that.....

Speaking of illiteracy, HPT, show me where it says Microsoft is responsible
for the failure.

It's what HPT does for a living, which is why he knows the term....

IOW he puts paper in one end of a high speed laser printer and pulls the
output from the other end....

We are talking about something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APRpKRohX2U

You're sinking fast again HPT...
Time to thread slink.

Interesting that this troll must resort to insults, gross
exaggerations and sexual references, can't simply participate in
the discussion like a normal human being.

.... and can't substantiate any points as a part of normal
discussion, but must resort to libelous rants:

[quote]
From: "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com>
Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: [News] Hexen and Heretic Become Free Software (GNU GPL)
Message-ID: <ouzr484a2x4h$.yen6yofz...@40tude.net>
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:57:18 +0000 (UTC)

[....] High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
[....]
>> You need to read your Bible High Plains Thumper:
>>
>> Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with
>> a female; it is an abomination."
>>
>> Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those
>> who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a
>> detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.
>>
>> I wonder how God would feel about Roy "Racine" Schestowitz.
>> Now *that* is bound to perplex even the almighty God!
>>
>> I'd lay in a large supply of asbestos underware if I were
>> you.....
>
> OTOH, this troll needs to read further for it states:
>
> Exodus 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your
> neighbor." - World English Bible (public domain)

You being gay is no surprise to anyone.
Not false in any way.
You had better check your posting history.
All of it..............

> Exodus 23:1 “You shall not spread a false report. Don’t join
> your hand with the wicked to be a malicious witness." - World
> English Bible (public domain)

[c.o.l.advocacy charter quote snipped]

Better talk to Schestowtiz....
[/quote]

Say hi to Kelsey for us down in the stockroom.

--
"I do believe I have stated that he should be given the benefit of the
doubt, as is his right. If he did this crime, as it would seem, then he
should be punished as the law requires."
-- alt <spam...@lazyeyez.net> in alt.true-crime, comp.os.linux.advocacy

They appear to have a certain sort of "blindness" when it comes to reading
the truth about M$ in *the press*.

--
ɐ ɯoɹɟ ʇuǝs sɐʍ ǝƃɐssǝɯ sıɥʇ
pǝǝʇuɐɹɐnƃ sı ɥɔıɥʍ ɹǝʇndɯoɔ
˙snɹıʌ ǝzopuıʍ $ɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo ǝǝɹɟ %00⇂
-- sɯǝʇsʎs xnuıl/nuƃ --

The London Stock Exchange and HP are not the kind of clowns that they are
being made out to be by the empty Linux fans and other MS haters. But they
can keep talking. Talk is cheap and all that they can afford.

And not a single person has been able to substantiate their claims that
Microsoft software was the root cause of the problem.

Not one.

It may turn out that way but until it's been documented from a confirmed
source(s), the Linux loons are just frothing at the mouth and spreading
lies.

IOW typical day to day operations for them.

Schmuck, why does Linux get your frilly panties in a bind?

Tattoo Vampire still fixated on Marti in his smalls again I see.

--
"Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad it's
hard to prove how bad it sucks."
-- "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy

So it appears....
I'll mark it off on my scorecard.

> In article <lb6bocnaisr3$.kquianh5...@40tude.net>,

Because they *are* schmucks?

"The WSJ reports that yesterday's 7 hour outage at the LSE is due to a
proprietary platform based on Microsoft technologies.

At the heart of the problem appears to be super-fast technology that
has become critical to LSE and other exchanges. Traders experienced
problems connecting to TradElect, a 15-month-old proprietary LSE
platform developed with Microsoft Corp. technology that the LSE has
touted as allowing it to expand and speed up its capacity for trades.
"Microsoft is working with the London Stock Exchange to understand the
root cause of the outage," said a Microsoft spokesman.

OOPS!! it says **a Microsoft spokesman**

"Details are fuzzy, so maybe this is just a desktop as opposed to a core
trading system."

Is he suggesting that one M$ Windoze desktop can bring the whole system
down? If it's true, no wonder windows is regarded as a joke in *serious*
computing circles.

"As Julian Goldsmith reports, this month was also the deadline for
TradElect to reach 10,000 continuous messages per second. That's a pretty
significant number and I can't point to a Microsoft success story
processing that kind of volume."

So to date, M$ hasn't had any success with those kind of numbers... Well I
wonder who the bozo was that bought the system...& will he be in a job
next week.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10036286-62.html

Now what was Moshe Flatfish Goldfarb saying about frothing?

"The LSE absolved its core TradElect platform from blame."

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/it-business/it-organisation/news/index.cfm?newsid=10947

"London Stock Exchange confirms network software caused costly outage"

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/infrastructure/networks/news/index.cfm?newsid=10912

Steve

It's also interesting that HPT, who is refusing to answer you because
you have been insulting, has hurled numerous insults your way earlier in
the thread.

--
--Tim Smith

You noticed that huh?
So did I.......
The clue was that I was pretty decent with HPT yet he brought that part up.

He gets caught every single time.

Yup. Without a doubt the thickest poaster of the "advocates". Not as
*useless* as Willy but definitely dumber. He self nukes every time he
ventures into the deep end.

--
"At BT Global, our crown jewels are the services we supply to our
customers. With jNetX we own the intellectual property for our
services, allowing us to evolve the services as and when required."
Mark Kent,Head of Technology Strategy,COLA Hypocrite

Lie. Quoting the abuser's insults is not insult. Read your
dictionary.

--
HPT

True, but remember, they have to justify their reasons for being
on the FUD Department's payroll.

They still can't explain why a Microsoft XP Professional desktop
on a corporate network will occasionally hose up after 4 days
from last boot for unknown reasons. User hits the reset switch,
reboot, then clears.

About a week ago, SMS server locked up for some unknown reason at
work. After reboot, it immediately started administering patches
to clients, contrary to schedule, affecting productivity during
working hours.

Yup, the blindness is inherent.

--
HPT

Because he has an eccentric crush on Roy.

http://tinyurl.com/5ckg78

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html

Well, it's all a part of his ranting and raving per the Microsoft
Evangelism document:

'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the
enemy is desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with
mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter
Bunny". Just keep rubbing it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...]
make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of
the mythology of the computer industry.'

(reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft
lawsuit )

The astroturfing by these few individuals and their sock puppets
are responsible for the dross we see in this newsgroup. Much of
it is done in a most perverted manner to do everything humanly
possible to silence Linux advocacy. The humiliating advocates by
accusing them of homosexual conduct, nymshifting, nymstealing,
usage of insulting terms such as "COLA nuts", "Linux loons", "you
work Windows during day and post Linux at night", "Linux/FOSS
slopware", distorting quotes, cross posting to unrelated forums
like "alt.kooks.net", bizarre sexual ones, and etc. are intended
for only one purpose, do discourage anyone who enjoys posting
about their Linux experiences and beliefs away from this forum.

--
HPT

See the following messages of yours:

<48d33b87$0$13387$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

In that, you call Steve de Mena an "astroturfer". You are not quoting
any insult from him--you can't, since there are none.

<48d34cb6$0$13389$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

There you call Moshe an idiot and imply he's not a normal human being.
Again, this is not a quote of something he said. It is something *you*
said.

<48d33d5c$0$13387$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

Calling him an idiot. Not quoting any of his insults, but rather
originating your own.

--
--Tim Smith

Proving High Plains Hypocrite is a liar and an arsehole is about as
difficult as demonstrating that gravity attracts things downwards....

--
"Vista actually requires more ram than a 32bit cpu can
address."
-- A Z Nomad in comp.os.linux.advocacy

HPT has issues.
It's obvious.

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/tim-smith-troll.html

[quote] Name: Tim Smith

Traits:

* Microsoft apologist
* Funkenbusch wannabee - fails badly
* An incredible bore
* An incredible bore - oops I've said that already, no more to be
said [...]

Tim besides being a bore, follows suit as with other trolls and
does selective snippage to remove the context. His favourite
mantra is the COLA FAQ posted on

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

is not the real FAQ, although it has followed the appropriate
public posting, protocol and approval during its development. He
does that to justify his off-topic posts.

Although he claims to provide advocacy, he readily sides with
trolls over advocates. [/quote]

> See the following messages of yours: [...]

Lie.

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:54:45 -0600
From: High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: About that London Stock Exchange IT failure
Message-ID: <48d34cb6$0$13389$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

[quote]

.... and can't substantiate any points as a part of normal

You being gay is no surprise to anyone.

[c.o.l.advocacy charter quote snipped]

> <48d33d5c$0$13387$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

Lie.

[quote]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:49:14 -0600
From: High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: About that London Stock Exchange IT failure
Message-ID: <48d33d5c$0$13387$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

[/quote]

Tim's rant is an example of:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

[quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [..]

45. Criticize Linux Advocates but ignore anti-Linux propagandist
transgressions. Always criticize the behavior of Linux
Advocates, but, ignore the same and even worse transgressions are
being committed by your fellow Trespassers.[/quote]

Tim Smith demonstrates his hypocrisy by allowing for use of the
term "loons". Tim Smith has only illustrated for the umpteenth
time that he is nothing but a liar.

--
HPT

That's Moshe. Not distinct lack of the word "idiot".

That's you. Not distinct presence of the word "idiot".

That's Moshe.

And there you are again, applying an insult that is not a quote of a
Moshe insult.

...

Moshe is not claiming that he hasn't insulted anyone, so his use of
"loon" is irrelevant. It is *you* who are insulting people and then
claiming that you have not done so.

--
--Tim Smith

Anyone smell almost Liarmutt'esque levels of hypocrisy coming from
COLA's resident self acknowledged "thickest poaster" of all time?

Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Every time he poasts he gives himself
another dose of lice.

As Rick Pecker says : its time to shave your head and get you back on
the monkey bars!

KABOOM

Another High Plains Hypocrite "self nuke". Could he get any more
ridiculous?

--
"Ignore the forging nym-shifting troll who pretends to be chrisv! I'm the *REAL* chrisv!"
chrisv, COLA.

Good detective work Tim.
The problem with HPT is that he is like a broken record.
He makes false claims over and over again hoping that because he tosses in
his idiotic site that somehow it will make it true and history will be
re-written.

The problem is, now we have to re-train High Plains Thumper on how to use
the monkey bars.

Ha!

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=loon&gwp=13

[quote]
loon2 (lūn)
n. Informal.

One who is crazy or deranged.

[Probably from LOON1 (from its loud cry) and influenced by LUNATIC.]

Thesaurus: loon
noun

A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy: crackpot,
crazy, eccentric, lunatic. Informal crank, loony. Slang cuckoo,
ding-a-ling, dingbat, kook, nut, screwball, weirdie, weirdo.
[/quote]

This is an example of:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

[quote]
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]

17. Don't substantiate your claims. Refuse to present evidence
to support your invalid claims. Repeat your invalid claims and
have your anti-Linux propagandist comrades do the same. Do the
same for any invalid claims that you have notice your anti-Linux
propagandists comrades make.
[/quote]

>> It is *you* who are insulting people and then claming that

Typical of Tim, goes off on tangents. Attacks advocates but
never criticises Moshe's homophobic, libelous rants.

This is an example of:

[quote]

> Good detective work Tim. The problem with HPT is that he is

[quote]

[c.o.l.advocacy charter quote snipped]

--
HPT

> loon2 (lŽąn)

That's nice. Nice, but completely irrelevant, since *MOSHE* *HAS* *NOT*
*DENIED* *INSULTING* *ANYONE*.

You claimed that you had not insulted anyone--any insults in your posts
were in quotes from other people, not in the parts you wrote. That was
clearly incorrect of you, since I showed you three different posts of
yours where you had insulted Moshe.

Your claim is about *your* text, not anyone else's, so what is in the
posts you quote is totally irrelevant. You can keep bringing up Moshe's
text all you want, but it doesn't change the fact (amply proven by the
links posted previously) that you were out and out wrong in your claim.

--
--Tim Smith

>> loon2 (l®±n)

High Plains Hypocrite is a total retard and has proven time and time
again that is unable to post a single thought of his own which bares any
semblance to the truth. 99% of the time of course he just pastes in
other peoples words because "his brain dont work good like 7".

--
- "Just think, consumers are not sold on XP, and Microsoft shelled out
some major $$$ to develop this thing. This is a great opportunity for
alternative operating systems to intercept the ball, and run it back for a
touchdown.": comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy

<snip ridiculous jeer-leading rant>

So, now we have gone from protecting the guilty to tossing
insults, excellent, Timmy. Let us not forget the unwarranted:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/04a3d90e610f98df?

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:14:46 GMT
Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself

[quote]
--Tim Smith
[/quote]

Seems those whom reply in a manner Tim dislikes are called
"hypocrites":

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a08826ff4e2c8840?

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:05:27 GMT
Subject: Mark Kent, go fuck yourself

[quote]
In article <cf0hk3-k96....@dog.did.it>, Roy Culley wrote:

> Poor Timmy. Time to grow up lad.

OK, now we've heard from Roy the Hypocrit...
[/quote]

Really sad that Tim has no respect for a person's dignity,
supports those who insult and even libel Linux advocates, then
attacks advocates.

--
HPT

This is what HPT is snipping:

-------------------------

-------------------------

How is that a "rant"? Where are the jeers?

Another irrelevancy, since I have not claimed that I don't insult people.

In message <48d50a3f$0$13386$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>, you claimed that
you were not insulting people in this thread, only quoting other insults.

That's not you quoting someone. That's something you *wrote*.

You lied. You were caught. It doesn't matter how many irrelevant
things you dig up about me, or Hadron, or anyone else--even if you prove
that I'm the Antichrist, Hadron is the Chairman of the Bilderberg Group,
and Moshe is the secret majority shareholder of Microsoft, it doesn't
change the *fact* that you lied about insulting people, and were caught.

You can run all you want, but nothing can change that fact.

--
--Tim Smith

>> >>> [quote] loon2 (l®±n) n. Informal.

High Plains Hypocrite, like "Owl", will try to bury his incompetence in
a mountain of snips and history re-writes.

It's laughable to the extreme.

--
"By your and your buddies references, marketshare.hitslink.com, it has
moved from .43 to .68 over the last year. Increasing by 58% over the last
year doesn't seem to me like it hasn't changed much in 16 years."
-- Rick <no...@nomail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy

Put hand under arm, squeeze, "pbbfffftt", "pbbfffftt",
"pbbfffftt". That is about as much sense as this troll's rant makes.

Half truth is as bad as no truth:

[quote]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:49:14 -0600

Message-ID: <48d33d5c$0$13387$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org>

................................^^^^^

[/quote]

Tim's rant is an example of:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

[quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [..]

Tim Smith demonstrates his hypocrisy by allowing for use of the

Here's a fitting end to this argument. <Plinque!>

--
HPT

What half truth? You insulted Moshe, and then claimed you do not insult
people. You yourself are quoting your post above that shows you
insulting Moshe.

You keep highlighting that Moshe called some people loons. For the Nth
time, that's completely irrelevant, since no one claimed that Moshe was
not insulting people. You claimed that *you* do not insult people, but
right there in your very own quote, you show yourself insulting someone.

You can't run away from your own posting history when you yourself keep
quoting it!

--
--Tim Smith

Well, on the plus side, he's at least stuck to just one nym in this
thread.

--
--Tim Smith

Are you sure?

<quote>
Timmy is a wintroll
</quote>

Bwahahahahha!

Damn. I dont even trust myself now. Maybe I am High Plains Hypocrite?

Aaargh ....................